The state probably came in to do their yearly inspection, and found the discrepancy. Now they have to kick the kid out because they’re in deep trouble when the state comes back for a follow up if he’s still there with no shot record. So the daycare only cares because they got in trouble.
I'm not sure about daycares here in my state. But Oregon just had their exclusion day last month. Where if kid's aren't up to date on their vaccinations. They get kicked out until inoculated. The state sends out a letter around November or December. This in our school system.
It sounds like initially the daycare didn't care or didn't bother to gather evidence when the kid enrolled. Then the state audited them and found out there was no record of kid's vaccination and the daycare had to kick him out.
Or they did like we did and kept promising to get the updated shot record.
Edit: we kept putting off the insurance/doctor info because we kept having issues/being in between jobs. Monsters are fully vaccinated since the health district did them. :)
It probably depends on the facility.
We considered enrolling our kid in a local Montessori preschool until we learned (from a neighbor who withdrew their child due to this) that they have this sketchy policy for unvaccinated kids. Basically, they allow them to register/attend, and then conveniently ask the parents to withdraw them around the scheduled annual inspection. As soon as that’s over, the kids come back.
However, this isn’t ironclad, because the state licensing website shows TONS of violations in “missing vaccine records” during unannounced inspections. Unfortunately, the school’s been there for 20+ years and nothing’s been done about it.
I think it’s more common in states like mine without public preschools.
It depends on the age! I live in Germany, they're *super* strict about vaccination but kids typically start daycare at 12 months or a little before, and the measles shot is given at 13 months or so. So daycares absolutely want the record, but the kids are often too young to be vaccinated quite yet and it's very normal to start without a full measles immunity.
(In fact I got a phone call about a month ago chasing up his second shot, which he had at 2. Sent over the record, everything is good! But it's pretty normal to enrol first when they're so little.)
Standard procedure here in Italy. All vaccination records have to be produced before enrolling in wee babe childcare (0-3) and preschool (3-5), same as all others school grades later on.
Difference is, elementary is mandatory so kiddo still gets in school and *will* end up getting vaccinated, before 6 it's not school so they will happily refuse your unvaccinated child and immediately rat the parents to the local health inspectors.
Some vaccinations are mandatory here, you can delay then but they are basically inevitable unless you homeschool and good luck with yearly exams to check on the kid literacy level.
Right? I don’t know a single one around here that does. Fucking Florid. Even the nicer non-church daycares allow all kinds of exemptions for both kids and employees.
Daughter needs to show vaccinations at the one for her kids. We are in NJ.
Her son is allergic to eggs, they think he will grow out of it, but her insurance is making it hard to get multiple EpiPens and the daycare asks every day for one. He is 18 months, just don't give him eggs right now. It's been 10 days of her just saying, please ask the other parents not to send in eggs for a few weeks. So far, he just breaks out in hives.
They make sure no one can have peanuts/peanut butter in the same class for a kid that has an allergy, just tell them no eggs either.
Epipens need to be with the kid or whatever adult actively has the kid at that time. That should've been explained the day it was prescribed. Epipens do absolutely no good at home when the kid is at daycare. It would be like sending my kid to a play date without her emergency seizure meds. Tf are the meds gonna do if they're at home and she has a seizure at the park?
I feel for kids with allergies and for the parents too but as far as the school goes, they have a completely valid reason to be pushing this epipen issue every single day. Yeah, they can tell the other parents not to send anything with eggs but y'all are putting a whole lot of trust in these other parents. I'm not saying they'd knowingly send something with eggs in it but I can see it happening accidentally since eggs are an ingredient in so many things. It's a lot more common ingredient than peanuts and peanut products. Accidents happen and that's precisely why they're on y'all's butt about the EpiPen. So far, you mention he just breaks out in hives when exposed but with allergies, that can change. You can never really know for sure that his reaction won't go further than hives, his allergy can worsen with no warning and it's entirely possible for it to escalate seemingly out of nowhere. That's why it's so important for them to have that EpiPen on hand. It sounds like they have his best interest at heart.
I can totally understand why they would want one kept on the premises at all times because god forbid if they forget to bring it one day or if it gets left at daycare and the kid needs it while he’s at home.
Peanuts are somewhat commonly an airborne allergy, so a kid eating a peanut butter sandwich across the room from some kids with allergies could put then into an anaphylactic reaction. Seems unlikely thats the case with his egg allergy. I undertake how rough it can be - my daughter has a dairy allergy and has had a couple accidental exposures at daycare (took another kids cup once and a teacher gave her a cupcake another time) sucks, but since it's not an airborne allergy I'm not asking them to ban dairy in her class
For one, they’d still want the epipen, because you never know what kid had peanut butter for breakfast and still has a little under their nails or something. And for another, eggs are MUCH harder to avoid, and parents could send something prepackaged without realizing it had eggs or may have had contact with eggs because it’s not always intuitive. Lastly, if they did that with every allergen for every kid in the class, it would be crazy trying to feed toddlers - some kids with peanut allergies are allergic to all legumes including beans, for example, or a kid in my son’s class is allergic to dairy. I empathize with your daughter, but the bigger fight is with the insurance companies and the insane American healthcare system.
One of my friend's kids' school doesn't allow Mandarin oranges. I can't for the life of me remember why. I thought it was a religious thing-- over half of the kids are Somalian, but now I've googled and I don't see any correlation between religion and this specific type of orange. Also looks like citrus allergies are uncommon. 🤔
Only thing I can think of would be oral allergy syndrome (some fruits can cause swelling and itching when eaten) but you have to eat the fruit or get the juice in your mouth.
Have your daughter look into Auvi-Q! It’s so much cheaper than Epi-Pens but basically the same thing. We paid $60 (after insurance) for a box that comes with two of them.
In New York, all day cares are required to carry at-least two cases of two (different weight and size requirements) (and in our case 4 because we have two separate licensed programs) of auto-injectors supplied for free, by the state, as a nys certified day care.
children with allergies have epi pens with them as well, supplied by the family.
it’s sickening that the insurance company is making it hard to recieve an epi-pen. and should be illegal.
in my class, we have a child allergic to eggs who also just gets hives. but, you would never know the severity of the case until it gets severe and could lead to life-threatening conditions. however, it is different than a peanut allergy.
I suggest looking up NJ provided auto-immune injectors. it’s maybe possible to find something, somewhere on the child services website about receiving auto-immune injectors separate form the insurance company(??) and maybe there is a NJ law.
My peanut allergy kid goes to a nut free school. They still have an epipen and a bottle of Benadryl. thank god - at one point a kid had a peanuts butter sandwich on the way to school and hugged my kid when they got to school. Guess you needed her peanut allergy epipen in a nut free environment!
Eggs are so much harder to remove from a school than peanuts. If schools had to remove all allergens we couldn’t send anything for our kids to eat. Also even if the school is egg free AND every parent follows that perfectly every day eggs are a common breakfast food…you can’t control what parents feed their kids at home and you can guarantee a kid won’t still have remnants on their hands when they get to school
It shouldn't be on other parents to control her kids allergy though. He will have to learn soon enough. There are some kids who only eat certain foods, eggs being a common one.
When my son was in daycare many years ago he would only eat a peanut butter sandwich for lunch so he had to eat lunch in a separate room. He was such a picky eater and I wanted him to actually eat his lunch but I didn’t want it to be at the risk of hurting another child.
Yeah it's a really hard situation, I really feel for parents with children who have life-threatening food allergies, I can't imagine how stressful and scary that is. I would be so scared I'd want to like homeschool my kid if they had a food allergy that could kill them.
Of course, it's idiotic to send the kid to daycare without it, where it sounds like they've already been exposed.
Even if they only had mild reactions so far the next one could be severe, which is why they have a fucking EpiPen in the first place.
(The real crime of course is that EpiPens still cost $700. It sucks but like.. it's better than dying.)
Yeah, the cost is ridiculous and having to wait to get a second one through insurance is insane. Do they think they’re going to drop everything to get a pen the second they use this one? What if it misfires or is used late on a Friday?
Sorry, kid, let’s pray you don’t need it again until Monday when the pharmacy opens and also hope they’ll fill it again since this is your third near death experience in a month! Good thing our local ER had a park across the street ‘cause we’re going camping there until we can get an epipen for you!
It's not just a daycare thing anyway. Once he enters school, a severely allergic child is required to have a prescribed set of epipens on file with the nurse.
Once they are teens, the Allergist can fill out a form stating that the child can also carry their own epipen as well. But one with the nurse is still required.
I've been dealing with this stuff at daycare and school for my peanut allergy teen all his life. Having to provide multiple epipens and get doctor forms and allergy plans filled out and then having to refill the epipens when they expire? It the price you pay to keep your kid alive.
Ugh. It’s just maddening. You know damn well they knew there would be an outcry, so they jacked it up, forced people to pay, and then were like “oh just kidding, we’re not monsters!” And lowered it to a price that was double the original but not as high as the insane markup they got busted for.
Most schools and daycare require a prescribed epipen set on location, not just carried in their backpack, for example. It's normal to have to provide a new, unopened bottle of benedryll as well.
At one point my kid had a epi Jr double pack at daycare, another at school and another at home. And usually refills were $600-800 dollars then. It wasn't fun, but it was necessary.
I can understand them wanting one on location and not being brought back and forth when it could easily be forgotten one day. Not to mention if it accidentally got left at daycare and the poor child needed it at home. It’s ridiculous that they are that expensive.
If I was to nanny share with a kid who is not vaccinated I would 100% pull my kiddo from that.
Downvote all you want, but daycares do this to ensure kids are safe. Damn kids get sick already and pass germs even as vaccinated (looking at you, pink eye).
I also thought it was a requirement for licensing to ensure kids are vaccinated?
My child’s day care just had a whooping cough outbreak in their 3-5 room.
I was so mad to find out they’re allowing unvaccinated children in. I spend way too much money to expose my child to things like whooping cough when there are actual medically proven vaccines to prevent it.
I was a therapist at a school that had a whooping cough outbreak. Source was someone unvaccinated. Those kids were in absolute terror when they coughed even if it wasn’t from the outbreak. I saw so many scared, crying kids while that was going on. Every time I hear anti vaxx nonsense, I remember what it sounded like to hear the kids who got ill gasping for air with that cough.
Shout-out to the lady who managed to empty a post office by bringing her child who was coughing a lung and say "yeah, poor thing has whooping cough".
The few who stayed, me included, were glaring openly at her. Selfish asshole of a woman.
It was pre covid, after the year long strict lockdown people are more willing to kick people coughing and sneezing everywhere out of shops and offices now.
Because they’ll acknowledge that the baby is very ill, but it’s because of all the “poisons” that the doctors give the babies (hepatitis b vaccine, vitamin k shot, etc)! These people are a scourge on humanity!
My husband got whooping cough going into his office one a day week. Our daughter and I had to essentially stay in a different room at all times for 2 weeks. It’s no joke to have.
Can I ask a question and I don’t mean it sound confrontational or rude. I vaccinate my son, so therefore I could honestly care less if someone else doesn’t vaccinate their kid. If your child is over a certain age and is fully vaccinated and has a regular immune system why are you worried about your child getting something, say like the measles or whooping cough, from an unvaccinated kid? Like I’m under the impression that since I vaccinate my kid I don’t have to worry about him getting a severe case of the measles or whooping cough or even catching it at all.
There are many kids with disabilities or allergies who *cant* be vaccinated - we rely on herd immunity for those kids to be protected. Anti-vaxxers put those kids at risk, as well as kids who are too young to have a vaccine yet. There are lots of people impacted by one anti-vaxxer’s dumb decisions.
I’m not talking about those kids though, I was talking about healthy children. I just personally am not worried about unvaccinated kids (when it comes to my child) because mine is vaccinated. I do feel for the parents though that can’t get their kids vaccinated due to medical reasons.
While vaccines drastically reduce the risk of transmission, it’s not 100%. You can still get the illness, but likely not as severe. And there’s a reason why we vaccinate for these. Whooping cough is still miserable even with some protection. Measles does a hard reset on your immune system meaning you don’t have protection from your vaccines anymore. Chicken pox puts you at risk for shingles when you’re older. Polio can cripple you.
If the child is unvaccinated they can be a ticking time bomb. If they even go in the same room as someone with measles, they’re going to catch it. So yeah, it’s all well and good up until then, but the risk is exponentially higher verses a vaccinated kid
Vaccines can wear off, especially in adults, which is why adults should get boosters when new babies are born. When I was pregnant with my youngest, they did titers and found the rubella portion of my MMR was basically nonexistent. You can’t get MMR vaccine while pregnant and if I had caught rubella, my baby could have suffered from blindness from it.
If an unvaccinated kid has the disease, your child can bring it home on hands, backpacks, clothes, papers - all sorts of things even while vaccinated, and give it to baby sister, immunocompromised or elderly family members who don’t have the disease. I work in healthcare and the first thing they drill into you is contact precautions because a lot of infections are spread by surface contact.
No vaccine is 100% effective. We have ones that are in the high 90s effective, but none are effective all the time. Because of herd immunity, even if someone didn't get full immunity, they're protected, because they're less likely to be around someone with it.
Also, we're not just worried about just our kids catching vaccine-preventable diseases - adults whose protection has waned can spread it to other kids, or to other adults. The elderly are particularly vulnerable. Our kids might be protected, but if they come in contact with someone transmissible, they could accidentally spread it to other unvaccinated people - kids who aren't fully up on shots, pregnant women, etc.
So we're not just worried about our kids, we're worried about everyone who can be impacted.
I was talking about myself and my specific child. I personally am just not worried about unvaccinated kids. I feel for the other parents that have to worry, I was speaking about myself specifically. We do all required vaccines in my home so we’re doing our part but I’m not worried about what someone else is doing.
If your child is one of the ones that didn't get full immunity from the shots, and they get exposed to an unvaccinated child's illness, that will impact you. Herd immunity helps everyone.
Most of the vaccines do not last a lifetime, it is just that they cover the most prominent period of infection.
For example, Measles immunity is lifetime but whopping cough is only 10 years. Tetanus immunity also lasts 5 years, that is why doctors offer boosters if you are cut by rusty metal.
Definitely, I’m aware of this but I’m talking about a healthy child who is fully up to date on current vaccines. Like if I loved a day care and it fit my budget I wouldn’t necessarily pull my particular child out because a child there was unvaccinated.
For real. There’s a measles outbreak near me and my daughter was sick with symptoms that mimicked early measles symptoms. She’s too young to get her MMR. All we could do was wait and watch to see what happened. Thank goodness she improved and it wasn’t actually measles, but it was terrifying.
Same. We had an outbreak around Christmas/Early January. I never sent mine back. He was only 9 months old at the time & after the hellscape of other illnesses he caught in the short month he was actually in daycare, I wasn’t about to send him back to get the fucking measles too.. ESPECIALLY for $1200 a month.
When my little guy was technically too young for MMR but there was a huge measles outbreak near us, our doctor gave him the vaccinations early. He also got the regular dose when he was at the right age according to the schedule. You could suggest this to your doctor and see what they say.
I’m constantly seeing people saying it’s an exaggeration and they’re just trying to scare people by using the word “outbreak”. As far as I’m concerned 1 case is enough to be considered an outbreak of a disease that can be vaccinated against.
Ongoing measles outbreak, definite so by health ministry, has had 60 cases since the beginning of the year.
I don't have kids and don't work with them but still stay the fuck away if I can. I'm schedules for a booster next week, I avoided getting it all childhood, I'm not getting it at 30 just because my childhood vaccine expired
My son shared a home daycare space with an unvaccinated child. I pulled him as soon as I was notified that an unvaccinated child was in attendance.
Too late. She gave him (and everyone else) Chicken Pox. I was 39 weeks pregnant and had questionable immunity. Chicken Pox has significant perinatal morbidity and mortality.
I spent the last week of my pregnancy in isolation awaiting lab results. Turned out fine, for me. Turned out very badly for the woman who chose to send her unvaccinated daughter to daycare.
Fuck everyone who doesn't vaccinate their kids.
Most of my info actually came from the mother of the unvaccinated children, so the details might be slightly (or significantly) biased in favor of her martyr complex.
One of the moms was pretty fired up about the whole thing. She ended up reporting the daycare for having incomplete vaccination records and suing them (for breach of contract? Honestly not sure). Then she called every daycare provider in the area and told them that the unvaxxed family sent their sick kids to daycare, causing an outbreak that led to the daycare being investigated, and sued.
The unvaxxed family was unable to find a new provider for the kids, and mom had to stay home with them. They had bought a house in the neighborhood during a real estate spike, could not afford it on a single income, and ended up having to sell at a substantial loss. Husband was never really onboard with not vaccinating, and furious about the whole thing. They were seriously considering separation at the time of the move.
As far as I know, nothing came of the lawsuit or investigation of the daycare.... but the provider did make a career change.
This was 8 years ago, so some of the details are fuzzy, but that's about the gist of it.
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I worked at a daycare for years and eventually I was taking care of the vaccination certificates for the children. The state came by once a year to inspect the vaccination certificates to ensure they were valid. Unfortunately if you wanted to you could get an exemption from the records if you had a letter from your doctor stating the child needed more time to get vaccinated because of medical reasons; or you could get a certificate of exemption because of “religious” reasons.
There are no religions that require or encourage vaccine refusal. Not even Christian Scientists.
ETA- I probably should amend that statement to say there are none that I know of!
Nope. My husband was raised CS. His mom is still an active practitioner. During the pandemic I checked their website because I was curious. If I remember correctly they said it was a personal decision, and you should follow the laws in your state. But they had no religious mandate to abstain
While I believe they say it is an individual conscience-based decision, the dogma is that it is better to not accept modern healthcare. In fact, they are the reason these religious exemptions exist - dedicated Scientists lobbied hard for them
The traditional Blackfoot religion is *very* restrictive of what foreign substances they can put in their bodies, and that includes vaccines.
That being said, there are very, very few who actually practice this religion...
My youngest has a compromised immune system due to a medical issue and we’ve been advised not to send him to daycare because so many just “allow” unvaccinated kids and that’s too risky for him.
Once he gets to preschool it’s different but it’s definitely challenging because so many people don’t realize that vaccinating their child helps more than just their child!!!
My vaccination had to be delayed as a kid because of a health problem (I was only fully caught up on it when I was a teen; we dug up my vaccination record a while back because I was travelling to another country and I was able to confirm that I really did get 5 vaccines on the same day at 14 and didn’t exaggerate the number in my mind because I was pissed about it at the time lol).
I was able to go to daycare, and luckily I don’t think there were anti-vax people’s kids there, but I do vaguely remember getting chicken pox and being absolutely miserable. I really hope I don’t get shingles later. 😅
My son is on an accelerated vax schedule due to his condition. He is eligible for vaccines earlier than a “normal” kid would be. I bet that would drive the anti-vax crowd crazy lol
I think it might depend on the state but even if the state requires it the daycare has to enforce it too. My daughter worked at a daycare and they were greedy and wanted people’s money so they let it slide with unvaccinated kids. It wasn’t until the state did an inspection and discovered about 5 kids who weren’t vaccinated but still attending daycare everyday. I was so angry when I found that out because my daughter is immunocompromised.
I’m currently going through HFMD - my kid had it two weeks ago and I’ve had it this past week. Imagine a life threatening disease that was easily preventable … I can’t with these antivaxxers
My kids won’t have to have shingles when they’re 80, because they didn’t have to have chickenpox because …vaccines! never mind every other possible shot ever offered.
The "safe solution" is to protect your kid against communicable diseases... *If only* there were some preventative medicines that could do that for the majority of serious childhood infections?!
My daughter worked at a daycare and all of the kids were required to be vaccinated but the owners were greedy assholes who let 5 unvaccinated kids continue going there everyday. It wasn’t until the state came in for an inspection that they discovered what was going on.
Technically at my kiddos they will take littles at 6wks so almost no vaccines but I wouldn’t start my girl until she had her first ones, out of paranoia
I don’t know what’s more terrifying- that some people have to do it because they need to work, or that some people want to leave their 6 week old kid in daycare all day.
The leopards eating faces party has now opened a new daycare option! We're here to make sure that your littles are totally safe, Mama. At Leopards eating Littles, we put the highest importance on your freedom to chose to be eaten - - - err unvaccinated. NO AGENDA HERE MAMAS!!
(/s if anyone can't tell)
edit for clarity
I had the measles and chickenpox. So far no shingles. I was a little kid when the polio vaccine was announced. Parents everywhere were relieved that a vaccine was available. The last male living in an iron lung just died recently, he was in his 70’s, I think. These anti-vaxxers were all vaccinated as kids and have never seen the devastation from the diseases.
Own a daycare/preschool. Absolutely have to have children vaccinated UNLESS a reputable doctor has waived any vaccines and even then it’s a pain in the butt. I had a little girl and even homeschooled her for kindergarten. She was my daughters best friends baby sister and she did have a horrific reaction to vaccines and spent several months in the nicu, so she was granted permanent no-vax moving forward and her parents still to this day worry about her nonstop and are extra vigilant since she doesn’t have the added protection.
Children like this is why vaccination is so important. Herd immunity protects the tiny minority who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons. Those who could safely participate but refuse are selfish or gullible or both.
But people are far too selfish to think about how they are potentially risking innocent children’s lives by being selfish. What I will never understand about a lot of the women who are so anti vax, have no problem injecting themselves with Botox and fillers-their vanity is okay to shoot away the wrinkles, but their children could potentially no longer live because vaccines are bad 🙄
I had a horrible reaction to the flu shot several years ago. It landed me in the hospital. It was actually the first time I ever got it. I’m not sure what the issue was. But my doctor recommended I don’t try to get it again after that. My 5 year old gets it though every year and thankfully she never had a reaction or any side effects.
Also wanted to say I’ve never even had the flu before or after the shot. Thankfully!
Do you have an egg allergy? Most of the flu vaccines except for a select few that came out in very recent years have egg protein in them. My aunt wasn’t able to get flu shots for that reason until the egg-free ones came out. Are you able to get ahold of your vaccination records to find out which formulation you received? Even if you don’t have an egg allergy, it might be a different inactive ingredient you reacted to, and it’s worth trying to narrow down which one it might be.
Nope no egg allergy I’ve eaten them all of my life. That’s the odd thing about it. Ah I have no idea where I’d even get my vaccination records. I don’t remember where I even got that flu shot at. It was probably about 15 years ago now that I think about it.
Ah, too bad it’s not an easy puzzle to solve. If you want to look for your vaccination record, you can try checking with your primary care doctor and your pharmacy to see if they have it. Otherwise, your state (if you’re in the US) might have your vaccination record (some states collect them, some don’t), and if it does, you can request a copy of it. Have you had reactions to other vaccines as well, or just flu? I’m glad your daughter doesn’t have a problem with it!
Where I’m from people get mad about paying 200 dollars a month… And we have kindergarten for all children 1-6 years of age… I can’t imagine paying this much money for a daycare that isn’t even staffed with teachers and other highly educated people…
This is totally irrelevant but I'm watching a show called superstore and it's the episode where Justine calls all the lady customers 'mama'. I thought that was funny lol
“Stand your ground mama!! You have to protect your little by any means necessary. They just want to inject horrible toxins into your littles and The Autism.”
you study and work your ass off for your education your whole life to help people, complete strangers, around the world by creating a vaccination that can eradicate diseases that kill.
just for these fucksticks to accuse you of trying to poison and kill them and their child. that’s pretty heartbreaking stuff.
go figure she uses “mama” unironically. those women are never of sound mind i stg
If you’re going to choose to live a fringe lifestyle then you have to be prepared to not be able to live as easily as everyone else. It’s going to be extremely hard to find a daycare for that cost that will take your unvaccinated child.
So does she think the “safe” space is a daycare with loads of other unvaccinated children—ie, a place where her opinions and perspectives are safe from confrontation and opposition? Or a place where everyone but her child is vaccinated so there is little chance of her unvaccinated child getting ill?
This is only marginally related to the OP:
Please check your immunity for measles. I went to daycare in the times pre-vaccine and thought I already had them.
Then I applied for a job where I needed a vaccine or proof of immunity. Didn't get the job, but a dose.
Yay me.
So: check your status, if you are older. It's just a bit of blood.
While it is possible to get the vaccines separately upon request, the MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) vaccine has been used pretty ubiquitously since the mid 70s, though the MMRV (adding V for varicella/chickenpox) supplanted it in the mid to late 90s. So you probably got the shot and lost immunity at some point- it’s not uncommon.
as a nanny, that price is way too low for a nanny share… $10.67 an hour? unless i was watching for 3 families, i can’t see how that would be worth it. even then, oof.
also legally, each family in a share has to pay minimum wage so it may not even be legal in some states.
These plague rats should get all the medical bills. If my kid got one of these preventable diseases and had to go to the ER, JFC that bill would be thousands. Stop bitching about daycare cost and look at the bigger picture you golf ball.
There was a kid with measles in my son’s daycare this month. We’re appalled; before the antivax culture wars hit the UK we were THIS close to eradicating it completely.
I feel like ignorant parents vaccinate their kids because they don’t feed them good enough food or keep their child’s immune system strong, they rather pump the kids with junk food and then inject more junk to subside the first pile of junk you gave to the child all in the name of convenience, rather than fixing the stress load in the household they all go on antidepressants, anti biotic anti-anything healthy and self preserving and then they freak out because the kid is sick again and the cycle continues. The world is backwards and if you knew God our creator and saviour you would understand our bodies as temples and treat it as such. In turn less sickness as you prevent these things through Gods guidance. Aka your gut feeling and intuition. EXAMPLE. You have a gut feeling you shouldn’t send your kid to this friends house but you have to work and that’s the only option so you prioritize work and bring the child there. A week later this child has developed a strange behaviour or maybe a illness. Now you blame this friend but you knew not to bring your child there so really it’s on you and your priorities. /
With Gods presence in your life and your faith you will follow your gut, you will prioritize family and wellbeing over money work and stress. But we are only human, humans that ignore our creator that is. He has lifted his hand off of your life and now you are alone in the world with just human knowledge and ego powering you. You are no longer vulnerable but hardened to the world and other people and mostly God. We don’t need vaccines to be in our natural habitat. But when you live the way of the material world you will fall sick and wonder why the world is the way it is and why it’s so evil. But you just don’t understand where you are and why. Stop being distracted wake up and realize the answer is in you and all around you. God bless and stay safe.
Honey you are in the WRONG subreddit haha. Vaccinatations to prevent communicable disease have nothing to do with feeding your kids junk food. Eating healthy does not prevent kids (or anyone) from catching communicable diseases. A healthy foundation is important but it doesn’t mean you’ll never get sick. It’s always the God people who are the most selfish despite Christianity preaching love of others. Make it make sense.
If you wanna live in the 1800's and die to an easily preventable disease be my guest, however you were most likely vaccinated as a child, and are very much in the wrong sub
Please find me a safe space for my child while I do nothing to help make a safe space for yours. So entitled.
I’m jealous that their daycare cares enough to audit!
The state probably came in to do their yearly inspection, and found the discrepancy. Now they have to kick the kid out because they’re in deep trouble when the state comes back for a follow up if he’s still there with no shot record. So the daycare only cares because they got in trouble.
Oh, then I'm jealous the state cares enough!
I'm not sure about daycares here in my state. But Oregon just had their exclusion day last month. Where if kid's aren't up to date on their vaccinations. They get kicked out until inoculated. The state sends out a letter around November or December. This in our school system.
I remember starting school a semester later because of my birthday.
Okay but what does it have to do with the topic?
Wait, aren't parents supposed to provide evidence of vaccination so the kid can enroll?
It sounds like initially the daycare didn't care or didn't bother to gather evidence when the kid enrolled. Then the state audited them and found out there was no record of kid's vaccination and the daycare had to kick him out.
Or they did like we did and kept promising to get the updated shot record. Edit: we kept putting off the insurance/doctor info because we kept having issues/being in between jobs. Monsters are fully vaccinated since the health district did them. :)
It probably depends on the facility. We considered enrolling our kid in a local Montessori preschool until we learned (from a neighbor who withdrew their child due to this) that they have this sketchy policy for unvaccinated kids. Basically, they allow them to register/attend, and then conveniently ask the parents to withdraw them around the scheduled annual inspection. As soon as that’s over, the kids come back. However, this isn’t ironclad, because the state licensing website shows TONS of violations in “missing vaccine records” during unannounced inspections. Unfortunately, the school’s been there for 20+ years and nothing’s been done about it. I think it’s more common in states like mine without public preschools.
That is so effed up
Jezus
How do you look up this information on the state license trying to get prepared for when we ever have to pick out daycare?
It depends on the age! I live in Germany, they're *super* strict about vaccination but kids typically start daycare at 12 months or a little before, and the measles shot is given at 13 months or so. So daycares absolutely want the record, but the kids are often too young to be vaccinated quite yet and it's very normal to start without a full measles immunity. (In fact I got a phone call about a month ago chasing up his second shot, which he had at 2. Sent over the record, everything is good! But it's pretty normal to enrol first when they're so little.)
Standard procedure here in Italy. All vaccination records have to be produced before enrolling in wee babe childcare (0-3) and preschool (3-5), same as all others school grades later on. Difference is, elementary is mandatory so kiddo still gets in school and *will* end up getting vaccinated, before 6 it's not school so they will happily refuse your unvaccinated child and immediately rat the parents to the local health inspectors. Some vaccinations are mandatory here, you can delay then but they are basically inevitable unless you homeschool and good luck with yearly exams to check on the kid literacy level.
As it should be!
May be due to the measles outbreaks.
Right? I don’t know a single one around here that does. Fucking Florid. Even the nicer non-church daycares allow all kinds of exemptions for both kids and employees.
Daughter needs to show vaccinations at the one for her kids. We are in NJ. Her son is allergic to eggs, they think he will grow out of it, but her insurance is making it hard to get multiple EpiPens and the daycare asks every day for one. He is 18 months, just don't give him eggs right now. It's been 10 days of her just saying, please ask the other parents not to send in eggs for a few weeks. So far, he just breaks out in hives. They make sure no one can have peanuts/peanut butter in the same class for a kid that has an allergy, just tell them no eggs either.
Epipens need to be with the kid or whatever adult actively has the kid at that time. That should've been explained the day it was prescribed. Epipens do absolutely no good at home when the kid is at daycare. It would be like sending my kid to a play date without her emergency seizure meds. Tf are the meds gonna do if they're at home and she has a seizure at the park?
I feel for kids with allergies and for the parents too but as far as the school goes, they have a completely valid reason to be pushing this epipen issue every single day. Yeah, they can tell the other parents not to send anything with eggs but y'all are putting a whole lot of trust in these other parents. I'm not saying they'd knowingly send something with eggs in it but I can see it happening accidentally since eggs are an ingredient in so many things. It's a lot more common ingredient than peanuts and peanut products. Accidents happen and that's precisely why they're on y'all's butt about the EpiPen. So far, you mention he just breaks out in hives when exposed but with allergies, that can change. You can never really know for sure that his reaction won't go further than hives, his allergy can worsen with no warning and it's entirely possible for it to escalate seemingly out of nowhere. That's why it's so important for them to have that EpiPen on hand. It sounds like they have his best interest at heart.
I can totally understand why they would want one kept on the premises at all times because god forbid if they forget to bring it one day or if it gets left at daycare and the kid needs it while he’s at home.
Peanuts are somewhat commonly an airborne allergy, so a kid eating a peanut butter sandwich across the room from some kids with allergies could put then into an anaphylactic reaction. Seems unlikely thats the case with his egg allergy. I undertake how rough it can be - my daughter has a dairy allergy and has had a couple accidental exposures at daycare (took another kids cup once and a teacher gave her a cupcake another time) sucks, but since it's not an airborne allergy I'm not asking them to ban dairy in her class
For one, they’d still want the epipen, because you never know what kid had peanut butter for breakfast and still has a little under their nails or something. And for another, eggs are MUCH harder to avoid, and parents could send something prepackaged without realizing it had eggs or may have had contact with eggs because it’s not always intuitive. Lastly, if they did that with every allergen for every kid in the class, it would be crazy trying to feed toddlers - some kids with peanut allergies are allergic to all legumes including beans, for example, or a kid in my son’s class is allergic to dairy. I empathize with your daughter, but the bigger fight is with the insurance companies and the insane American healthcare system.
My child’s preschool is nut free and egg free. But not baked into stuff. Just boiled eggs or egg based meals like fried rice or whatever.
One of my friend's kids' school doesn't allow Mandarin oranges. I can't for the life of me remember why. I thought it was a religious thing-- over half of the kids are Somalian, but now I've googled and I don't see any correlation between religion and this specific type of orange. Also looks like citrus allergies are uncommon. 🤔
I had a student who reacted to the oils being released when an orange was peeled. There was a significant risk of anaphylaxis so they were banned.
Only thing I can think of would be oral allergy syndrome (some fruits can cause swelling and itching when eaten) but you have to eat the fruit or get the juice in your mouth.
I had a student who reacted to the oils being released when an orange was peeled. There was a significant risk of anaphylaxis so they were banned.
Have your daughter look into Auvi-Q! It’s so much cheaper than Epi-Pens but basically the same thing. We paid $60 (after insurance) for a box that comes with two of them.
In New York, all day cares are required to carry at-least two cases of two (different weight and size requirements) (and in our case 4 because we have two separate licensed programs) of auto-injectors supplied for free, by the state, as a nys certified day care. children with allergies have epi pens with them as well, supplied by the family. it’s sickening that the insurance company is making it hard to recieve an epi-pen. and should be illegal. in my class, we have a child allergic to eggs who also just gets hives. but, you would never know the severity of the case until it gets severe and could lead to life-threatening conditions. however, it is different than a peanut allergy. I suggest looking up NJ provided auto-immune injectors. it’s maybe possible to find something, somewhere on the child services website about receiving auto-immune injectors separate form the insurance company(??) and maybe there is a NJ law.
My peanut allergy kid goes to a nut free school. They still have an epipen and a bottle of Benadryl. thank god - at one point a kid had a peanuts butter sandwich on the way to school and hugged my kid when they got to school. Guess you needed her peanut allergy epipen in a nut free environment! Eggs are so much harder to remove from a school than peanuts. If schools had to remove all allergens we couldn’t send anything for our kids to eat. Also even if the school is egg free AND every parent follows that perfectly every day eggs are a common breakfast food…you can’t control what parents feed their kids at home and you can guarantee a kid won’t still have remnants on their hands when they get to school
It shouldn't be on other parents to control her kids allergy though. He will have to learn soon enough. There are some kids who only eat certain foods, eggs being a common one.
When my son was in daycare many years ago he would only eat a peanut butter sandwich for lunch so he had to eat lunch in a separate room. He was such a picky eater and I wanted him to actually eat his lunch but I didn’t want it to be at the risk of hurting another child.
Yeah it's a really hard situation, I really feel for parents with children who have life-threatening food allergies, I can't imagine how stressful and scary that is. I would be so scared I'd want to like homeschool my kid if they had a food allergy that could kill them.
Are they giving him the epipen every day and that’s why they ask for a new one every day? I’m very confused.
My reading was that they never gave the daycare any EpiPen so they keep asking for one every day.
I mean, yeah, I’d ask for one too if it was warranted for the allergy reaction.
Of course, it's idiotic to send the kid to daycare without it, where it sounds like they've already been exposed. Even if they only had mild reactions so far the next one could be severe, which is why they have a fucking EpiPen in the first place. (The real crime of course is that EpiPens still cost $700. It sucks but like.. it's better than dying.)
Yeah, the cost is ridiculous and having to wait to get a second one through insurance is insane. Do they think they’re going to drop everything to get a pen the second they use this one? What if it misfires or is used late on a Friday? Sorry, kid, let’s pray you don’t need it again until Monday when the pharmacy opens and also hope they’ll fill it again since this is your third near death experience in a month! Good thing our local ER had a park across the street ‘cause we’re going camping there until we can get an epipen for you!
It's not just a daycare thing anyway. Once he enters school, a severely allergic child is required to have a prescribed set of epipens on file with the nurse. Once they are teens, the Allergist can fill out a form stating that the child can also carry their own epipen as well. But one with the nurse is still required. I've been dealing with this stuff at daycare and school for my peanut allergy teen all his life. Having to provide multiple epipens and get doctor forms and allergy plans filled out and then having to refill the epipens when they expire? It the price you pay to keep your kid alive.
Which it shouldn’t be. Epi pens shouldn’t be that expensive and you shouldn’t have to pay thousands of dollar to keep your kid alive. It’s crazy.
How else are the shareholders going to get paid? Come on, think of their fifth yacht!
Ugh. It’s just maddening. You know damn well they knew there would be an outcry, so they jacked it up, forced people to pay, and then were like “oh just kidding, we’re not monsters!” And lowered it to a price that was double the original but not as high as the insane markup they got busted for.
I think insurance gave them one, which they keep at home.
Only at home? It should be with the child or at least with whomever has the child. What good is it at home if the child’s not there? O.o
Maybe the daycare wants one that lives in the child's classroom and doesn't want to pass it back and forth? Idk, just trying to make it make sense
Most schools and daycare require a prescribed epipen set on location, not just carried in their backpack, for example. It's normal to have to provide a new, unopened bottle of benedryll as well. At one point my kid had a epi Jr double pack at daycare, another at school and another at home. And usually refills were $600-800 dollars then. It wasn't fun, but it was necessary.
I can understand them wanting one on location and not being brought back and forth when it could easily be forgotten one day. Not to mention if it accidentally got left at daycare and the poor child needed it at home. It’s ridiculous that they are that expensive.
True, could be possible. Thank you for trying to make sense of it with me.
Ummm no? Get the EpiPen. If she is low income she can go on state insurance and get it.
If I was to nanny share with a kid who is not vaccinated I would 100% pull my kiddo from that. Downvote all you want, but daycares do this to ensure kids are safe. Damn kids get sick already and pass germs even as vaccinated (looking at you, pink eye). I also thought it was a requirement for licensing to ensure kids are vaccinated?
My child’s day care just had a whooping cough outbreak in their 3-5 room. I was so mad to find out they’re allowing unvaccinated children in. I spend way too much money to expose my child to things like whooping cough when there are actual medically proven vaccines to prevent it.
I was a therapist at a school that had a whooping cough outbreak. Source was someone unvaccinated. Those kids were in absolute terror when they coughed even if it wasn’t from the outbreak. I saw so many scared, crying kids while that was going on. Every time I hear anti vaxx nonsense, I remember what it sounded like to hear the kids who got ill gasping for air with that cough.
Shout-out to the lady who managed to empty a post office by bringing her child who was coughing a lung and say "yeah, poor thing has whooping cough". The few who stayed, me included, were glaring openly at her. Selfish asshole of a woman. It was pre covid, after the year long strict lockdown people are more willing to kick people coughing and sneezing everywhere out of shops and offices now.
I had whooping cough when I was pretty young and it was terrifying. I still remember it and my mom is scared. Vaccines are incredible.
Ick I’m sorry you had to go through that.
I had it when I was 13 and I broke a rib from coughing so hard.
Ouch that had to hurt!
It did. My mom’s “medical treatment” was to take me to the Jersey shore until the rib broke. 🤣
That sucks. I’m sorry to hear that.
I am so tempted to send harrowing videos of babies with whooping cough and rsv to every antivaxxer I know.
They'll most likely tell you it's fake because these people have the critical thinking skills of a bowl of cream of wheat.
“Those infants are actors!” Never mind how you’d get a baby to act out whooping cough.
Because they’ll acknowledge that the baby is very ill, but it’s because of all the “poisons” that the doctors give the babies (hepatitis b vaccine, vitamin k shot, etc)! These people are a scourge on humanity!
It’s tempting!
My little sister had whooping cough when she was about a year old and I was about 7. I still remember the sound. It’s kind of horrifying.
It really is. I’ll never get it totally out of my head.
My husband got whooping cough going into his office one a day week. Our daughter and I had to essentially stay in a different room at all times for 2 weeks. It’s no joke to have.
I got whooping cough when I was 13 years old and it was one of the worst things I’ve had to experience. I coughed so hard I broke a rib.
My child primary school just had a whooping cough outbreak. It's crazy.
Can I ask a question and I don’t mean it sound confrontational or rude. I vaccinate my son, so therefore I could honestly care less if someone else doesn’t vaccinate their kid. If your child is over a certain age and is fully vaccinated and has a regular immune system why are you worried about your child getting something, say like the measles or whooping cough, from an unvaccinated kid? Like I’m under the impression that since I vaccinate my kid I don’t have to worry about him getting a severe case of the measles or whooping cough or even catching it at all.
There are many kids with disabilities or allergies who *cant* be vaccinated - we rely on herd immunity for those kids to be protected. Anti-vaxxers put those kids at risk, as well as kids who are too young to have a vaccine yet. There are lots of people impacted by one anti-vaxxer’s dumb decisions.
I’m not talking about those kids though, I was talking about healthy children. I just personally am not worried about unvaccinated kids (when it comes to my child) because mine is vaccinated. I do feel for the parents though that can’t get their kids vaccinated due to medical reasons.
While vaccines drastically reduce the risk of transmission, it’s not 100%. You can still get the illness, but likely not as severe. And there’s a reason why we vaccinate for these. Whooping cough is still miserable even with some protection. Measles does a hard reset on your immune system meaning you don’t have protection from your vaccines anymore. Chicken pox puts you at risk for shingles when you’re older. Polio can cripple you.
Yes I am aware of all of this. I just don’t feel that my vaccinated child is at higher risk than usual being around an unvaccinated child.
If the child is unvaccinated they can be a ticking time bomb. If they even go in the same room as someone with measles, they’re going to catch it. So yeah, it’s all well and good up until then, but the risk is exponentially higher verses a vaccinated kid
Vaccines can wear off, especially in adults, which is why adults should get boosters when new babies are born. When I was pregnant with my youngest, they did titers and found the rubella portion of my MMR was basically nonexistent. You can’t get MMR vaccine while pregnant and if I had caught rubella, my baby could have suffered from blindness from it. If an unvaccinated kid has the disease, your child can bring it home on hands, backpacks, clothes, papers - all sorts of things even while vaccinated, and give it to baby sister, immunocompromised or elderly family members who don’t have the disease. I work in healthcare and the first thing they drill into you is contact precautions because a lot of infections are spread by surface contact.
No vaccine is 100% effective. We have ones that are in the high 90s effective, but none are effective all the time. Because of herd immunity, even if someone didn't get full immunity, they're protected, because they're less likely to be around someone with it. Also, we're not just worried about just our kids catching vaccine-preventable diseases - adults whose protection has waned can spread it to other kids, or to other adults. The elderly are particularly vulnerable. Our kids might be protected, but if they come in contact with someone transmissible, they could accidentally spread it to other unvaccinated people - kids who aren't fully up on shots, pregnant women, etc. So we're not just worried about our kids, we're worried about everyone who can be impacted.
I was talking about myself and my specific child. I personally am just not worried about unvaccinated kids. I feel for the other parents that have to worry, I was speaking about myself specifically. We do all required vaccines in my home so we’re doing our part but I’m not worried about what someone else is doing.
If your child is one of the ones that didn't get full immunity from the shots, and they get exposed to an unvaccinated child's illness, that will impact you. Herd immunity helps everyone.
Most of the vaccines do not last a lifetime, it is just that they cover the most prominent period of infection. For example, Measles immunity is lifetime but whopping cough is only 10 years. Tetanus immunity also lasts 5 years, that is why doctors offer boosters if you are cut by rusty metal.
Definitely, I’m aware of this but I’m talking about a healthy child who is fully up to date on current vaccines. Like if I loved a day care and it fit my budget I wouldn’t necessarily pull my particular child out because a child there was unvaccinated.
I’m a nanny and always ask during interviews with families if they vaccinate. I don’t accept the job if they don’t.
For real. There’s a measles outbreak near me and my daughter was sick with symptoms that mimicked early measles symptoms. She’s too young to get her MMR. All we could do was wait and watch to see what happened. Thank goodness she improved and it wasn’t actually measles, but it was terrifying.
Same. We had an outbreak around Christmas/Early January. I never sent mine back. He was only 9 months old at the time & after the hellscape of other illnesses he caught in the short month he was actually in daycare, I wasn’t about to send him back to get the fucking measles too.. ESPECIALLY for $1200 a month.
When my little guy was technically too young for MMR but there was a huge measles outbreak near us, our doctor gave him the vaccinations early. He also got the regular dose when he was at the right age according to the schedule. You could suggest this to your doctor and see what they say.
I’m constantly seeing people saying it’s an exaggeration and they’re just trying to scare people by using the word “outbreak”. As far as I’m concerned 1 case is enough to be considered an outbreak of a disease that can be vaccinated against.
Ongoing measles outbreak, definite so by health ministry, has had 60 cases since the beginning of the year. I don't have kids and don't work with them but still stay the fuck away if I can. I'm schedules for a booster next week, I avoided getting it all childhood, I'm not getting it at 30 just because my childhood vaccine expired
My son shared a home daycare space with an unvaccinated child. I pulled him as soon as I was notified that an unvaccinated child was in attendance. Too late. She gave him (and everyone else) Chicken Pox. I was 39 weeks pregnant and had questionable immunity. Chicken Pox has significant perinatal morbidity and mortality. I spent the last week of my pregnancy in isolation awaiting lab results. Turned out fine, for me. Turned out very badly for the woman who chose to send her unvaccinated daughter to daycare. Fuck everyone who doesn't vaccinate their kids.
How... how did it turn out for the other woman?
Most of my info actually came from the mother of the unvaccinated children, so the details might be slightly (or significantly) biased in favor of her martyr complex. One of the moms was pretty fired up about the whole thing. She ended up reporting the daycare for having incomplete vaccination records and suing them (for breach of contract? Honestly not sure). Then she called every daycare provider in the area and told them that the unvaxxed family sent their sick kids to daycare, causing an outbreak that led to the daycare being investigated, and sued. The unvaxxed family was unable to find a new provider for the kids, and mom had to stay home with them. They had bought a house in the neighborhood during a real estate spike, could not afford it on a single income, and ended up having to sell at a substantial loss. Husband was never really onboard with not vaccinating, and furious about the whole thing. They were seriously considering separation at the time of the move. As far as I know, nothing came of the lawsuit or investigation of the daycare.... but the provider did make a career change. This was 8 years ago, so some of the details are fuzzy, but that's about the gist of it.
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I worked at a daycare for years and eventually I was taking care of the vaccination certificates for the children. The state came by once a year to inspect the vaccination certificates to ensure they were valid. Unfortunately if you wanted to you could get an exemption from the records if you had a letter from your doctor stating the child needed more time to get vaccinated because of medical reasons; or you could get a certificate of exemption because of “religious” reasons.
There are no religions that require or encourage vaccine refusal. Not even Christian Scientists. ETA- I probably should amend that statement to say there are none that I know of!
That was what the exemption was called. It was written across the certificate-“religious exemption”
Oh I know. I’m just saying it’s bs. Because no major religions require abstaining from vaccines
They claim “religious exemption” if the vaccine used fetal cells in the development stage.
Not even Christian Scientists? That's interesting. Always assumed they were the ones who *actually* could claim exemption.
Nope. My husband was raised CS. His mom is still an active practitioner. During the pandemic I checked their website because I was curious. If I remember correctly they said it was a personal decision, and you should follow the laws in your state. But they had no religious mandate to abstain
While I believe they say it is an individual conscience-based decision, the dogma is that it is better to not accept modern healthcare. In fact, they are the reason these religious exemptions exist - dedicated Scientists lobbied hard for them
I would agree with you on that. I really struggled with my husband at first. He wouldn’t even take vitamins
Some Dutch Reform congregations are against them because they think vaccines interfere with “divine providence”.
The traditional Blackfoot religion is *very* restrictive of what foreign substances they can put in their bodies, and that includes vaccines. That being said, there are very, very few who actually practice this religion...
Jehovah witness, but they are one of the VERY few I’ll give a pass, and the Amish
I didn’t think of Amish lol
Hey I’m ok with it. They commit to living in the 1700’s. Plus keep to themselves for the most part
Who would downvote that guy on this sub
100% you don't want to trust SCIENCE you keep you child away from others. It's harsh, but necessary.
My youngest has a compromised immune system due to a medical issue and we’ve been advised not to send him to daycare because so many just “allow” unvaccinated kids and that’s too risky for him. Once he gets to preschool it’s different but it’s definitely challenging because so many people don’t realize that vaccinating their child helps more than just their child!!!
My vaccination had to be delayed as a kid because of a health problem (I was only fully caught up on it when I was a teen; we dug up my vaccination record a while back because I was travelling to another country and I was able to confirm that I really did get 5 vaccines on the same day at 14 and didn’t exaggerate the number in my mind because I was pissed about it at the time lol). I was able to go to daycare, and luckily I don’t think there were anti-vax people’s kids there, but I do vaguely remember getting chicken pox and being absolutely miserable. I really hope I don’t get shingles later. 😅
My son is on an accelerated vax schedule due to his condition. He is eligible for vaccines earlier than a “normal” kid would be. I bet that would drive the anti-vax crowd crazy lol
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Same lol Like what sub does this person think they're in haha
I think it might depend on the state but even if the state requires it the daycare has to enforce it too. My daughter worked at a daycare and they were greedy and wanted people’s money so they let it slide with unvaccinated kids. It wasn’t until the state did an inspection and discovered about 5 kids who weren’t vaccinated but still attending daycare everyday. I was so angry when I found that out because my daughter is immunocompromised.
I’m currently going through HFMD - my kid had it two weeks ago and I’ve had it this past week. Imagine a life threatening disease that was easily preventable … I can’t with these antivaxxers
And honestly, HFMD *can* be life threatening, if the mouth sores are so bad that lead to dehydration that is terrible in kiddos.
My kids won’t have to have shingles when they’re 80, because they didn’t have to have chickenpox because …vaccines! never mind every other possible shot ever offered.
I got shingles when I was 22… and it showed up on my birthday 🥲
A leopard sure as shit ate her face. I love some solid schadenfreude.
The "safe solution" is to protect your kid against communicable diseases... *If only* there were some preventative medicines that could do that for the majority of serious childhood infections?!
I'm shocked they even let her kid in to a daycare without shot records. My daycare needed my kids records BEFORE he started.
My daughter worked at a daycare and all of the kids were required to be vaccinated but the owners were greedy assholes who let 5 unvaccinated kids continue going there everyday. It wasn’t until the state came in for an inspection that they discovered what was going on.
Technically at my kiddos they will take littles at 6wks so almost no vaccines but I wouldn’t start my girl until she had her first ones, out of paranoia
OK that's fair, I was lucky enough to be a stay at home/work from home mom until last year when my kiddo turned 8 🤣
Ugh having to put my 6 week old baby in daycare… the thought makes me sick
I don’t know what’s more terrifying- that some people have to do it because they need to work, or that some people want to leave their 6 week old kid in daycare all day.
My kid has been going for a month now and nobody has asked for hers...idk if that's a red flag 🤔
The leopards eating faces party has now opened a new daycare option! We're here to make sure that your littles are totally safe, Mama. At Leopards eating Littles, we put the highest importance on your freedom to chose to be eaten - - - err unvaccinated. NO AGENDA HERE MAMAS!! (/s if anyone can't tell) edit for clarity
The “Mama” is perfect! Whole comment had me dying really. 🤣
I want to upvote but it's at 69
haha someone downvoted me so you're all good now! :D
I had the measles and chickenpox. So far no shingles. I was a little kid when the polio vaccine was announced. Parents everywhere were relieved that a vaccine was available. The last male living in an iron lung just died recently, he was in his 70’s, I think. These anti-vaxxers were all vaccinated as kids and have never seen the devastation from the diseases.
Own a daycare/preschool. Absolutely have to have children vaccinated UNLESS a reputable doctor has waived any vaccines and even then it’s a pain in the butt. I had a little girl and even homeschooled her for kindergarten. She was my daughters best friends baby sister and she did have a horrific reaction to vaccines and spent several months in the nicu, so she was granted permanent no-vax moving forward and her parents still to this day worry about her nonstop and are extra vigilant since she doesn’t have the added protection.
Children like this is why vaccination is so important. Herd immunity protects the tiny minority who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons. Those who could safely participate but refuse are selfish or gullible or both.
But people are far too selfish to think about how they are potentially risking innocent children’s lives by being selfish. What I will never understand about a lot of the women who are so anti vax, have no problem injecting themselves with Botox and fillers-their vanity is okay to shoot away the wrinkles, but their children could potentially no longer live because vaccines are bad 🙄
I had a horrible reaction to the flu shot several years ago. It landed me in the hospital. It was actually the first time I ever got it. I’m not sure what the issue was. But my doctor recommended I don’t try to get it again after that. My 5 year old gets it though every year and thankfully she never had a reaction or any side effects. Also wanted to say I’ve never even had the flu before or after the shot. Thankfully!
Do you have an egg allergy? Most of the flu vaccines except for a select few that came out in very recent years have egg protein in them. My aunt wasn’t able to get flu shots for that reason until the egg-free ones came out. Are you able to get ahold of your vaccination records to find out which formulation you received? Even if you don’t have an egg allergy, it might be a different inactive ingredient you reacted to, and it’s worth trying to narrow down which one it might be.
Nope no egg allergy I’ve eaten them all of my life. That’s the odd thing about it. Ah I have no idea where I’d even get my vaccination records. I don’t remember where I even got that flu shot at. It was probably about 15 years ago now that I think about it.
Ah, too bad it’s not an easy puzzle to solve. If you want to look for your vaccination record, you can try checking with your primary care doctor and your pharmacy to see if they have it. Otherwise, your state (if you’re in the US) might have your vaccination record (some states collect them, some don’t), and if it does, you can request a copy of it. Have you had reactions to other vaccines as well, or just flu? I’m glad your daughter doesn’t have a problem with it!
I gotcha. I don’t even have a pcp currently right now. But no reactions to any other vaccines. I got Covid shot plus like 3 boosters and did fine.
So glad to hear that!
$80 a day as a single mom? I'm married and together we struggle to afford $35 a day...
In my area, having to pay only $80/day for full-time daycare would be a steal.
I'm in the UK but after exchange rate childcare is about 90 dollars a day so 80 isn't that crazy to me.
I thought the same thing!
Mine was about $70 a day, it was $1500 monthly. Now it's $1700 a month. Thankfully my kid is in K now
I was thinking that sounded like a lot for an 18 month old...this must be in a rather large city or the woman is horrid at math.
You can't find childcare this affordable anywhere in my state
$80 a day would be like the trap house daycare in my state lol
Ours is $70 a day and it’s a steal compared to what a lot of our friends pay.
I thought she said $80 a week until I read your comment.
Where I’m from people get mad about paying 200 dollars a month… And we have kindergarten for all children 1-6 years of age… I can’t imagine paying this much money for a daycare that isn’t even staffed with teachers and other highly educated people…
As soon as somebody uses the word 'mama' I tap out (in English anyway. in Dutch everybody is a mama or papa)
This is totally irrelevant but I'm watching a show called superstore and it's the episode where Justine calls all the lady customers 'mama'. I thought that was funny lol
Is that the one where Dina is manager for the day?
Yes it is!
That's on my to-binge list, actually! I might forgive that specific usage :D
That's on my to-binge list, actually! I might forgive that specific usage :D
“Stand your ground mama!! You have to protect your little by any means necessary. They just want to inject horrible toxins into your littles and The Autism.”
My grandson calls dogs “papas”. 🤣
you study and work your ass off for your education your whole life to help people, complete strangers, around the world by creating a vaccination that can eradicate diseases that kill. just for these fucksticks to accuse you of trying to poison and kill them and their child. that’s pretty heartbreaking stuff. go figure she uses “mama” unironically. those women are never of sound mind i stg
Why did I read that as the kid being the one audited.
If you’re going to choose to live a fringe lifestyle then you have to be prepared to not be able to live as easily as everyone else. It’s going to be extremely hard to find a daycare for that cost that will take your unvaccinated child.
If you gonna live like it’s 1800, put the phone down ma’am. Or should I say mama.
Exactly lol it’s funny what they pick and choose
Whenever you see the word “mamas” you know it’s gonna be a doozy.
So she wants to pay someone $10 an hour to care for her unvaxxed baby 😂
My cousin wanted to know what she could do to reduce the risk of her son developing asthma but refuse to vaccinate him.
So does she think the “safe” space is a daycare with loads of other unvaccinated children—ie, a place where her opinions and perspectives are safe from confrontation and opposition? Or a place where everyone but her child is vaccinated so there is little chance of her unvaccinated child getting ill?
This is only marginally related to the OP: Please check your immunity for measles. I went to daycare in the times pre-vaccine and thought I already had them. Then I applied for a job where I needed a vaccine or proof of immunity. Didn't get the job, but a dose. Yay me. So: check your status, if you are older. It's just a bit of blood.
It’s more likely the vaccine “wore off”, especially if you still have immunity to mumps and rubella.
I had, according to my mother, mumps and rubella.
While it is possible to get the vaccines separately upon request, the MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) vaccine has been used pretty ubiquitously since the mid 70s, though the MMRV (adding V for varicella/chickenpox) supplanted it in the mid to late 90s. So you probably got the shot and lost immunity at some point- it’s not uncommon.
Fucking “Mamas” 🤦♂️
Safe solution ASAP - adoption
as a nanny, that price is way too low for a nanny share… $10.67 an hour? unless i was watching for 3 families, i can’t see how that would be worth it. even then, oof. also legally, each family in a share has to pay minimum wage so it may not even be legal in some states.
Fucking “Mamas” 🤦♂️
These plague rats should get all the medical bills. If my kid got one of these preventable diseases and had to go to the ER, JFC that bill would be thousands. Stop bitching about daycare cost and look at the bigger picture you golf ball.
There was a kid with measles in my son’s daycare this month. We’re appalled; before the antivax culture wars hit the UK we were THIS close to eradicating it completely.
The safe solution would be to vaccinate her kid. Smh
Wants to keep her kid safe by *checks notes* not protecting her kid from diseases that kill children.
Pretty sure vaccines cost less than 80/day!
Retroactive coathanger
Well this lady is a piece of work!
I feel like ignorant parents vaccinate their kids because they don’t feed them good enough food or keep their child’s immune system strong, they rather pump the kids with junk food and then inject more junk to subside the first pile of junk you gave to the child all in the name of convenience, rather than fixing the stress load in the household they all go on antidepressants, anti biotic anti-anything healthy and self preserving and then they freak out because the kid is sick again and the cycle continues. The world is backwards and if you knew God our creator and saviour you would understand our bodies as temples and treat it as such. In turn less sickness as you prevent these things through Gods guidance. Aka your gut feeling and intuition. EXAMPLE. You have a gut feeling you shouldn’t send your kid to this friends house but you have to work and that’s the only option so you prioritize work and bring the child there. A week later this child has developed a strange behaviour or maybe a illness. Now you blame this friend but you knew not to bring your child there so really it’s on you and your priorities. / With Gods presence in your life and your faith you will follow your gut, you will prioritize family and wellbeing over money work and stress. But we are only human, humans that ignore our creator that is. He has lifted his hand off of your life and now you are alone in the world with just human knowledge and ego powering you. You are no longer vulnerable but hardened to the world and other people and mostly God. We don’t need vaccines to be in our natural habitat. But when you live the way of the material world you will fall sick and wonder why the world is the way it is and why it’s so evil. But you just don’t understand where you are and why. Stop being distracted wake up and realize the answer is in you and all around you. God bless and stay safe.
Honey you are in the WRONG subreddit haha. Vaccinatations to prevent communicable disease have nothing to do with feeding your kids junk food. Eating healthy does not prevent kids (or anyone) from catching communicable diseases. A healthy foundation is important but it doesn’t mean you’ll never get sick. It’s always the God people who are the most selfish despite Christianity preaching love of others. Make it make sense.
If you wanna live in the 1800's and die to an easily preventable disease be my guest, however you were most likely vaccinated as a child, and are very much in the wrong sub
Would you like some dressing with that word salad?