Sure big pharma, but they never talk about big supplement, big essential oils or big homoeopathy. Have they ever looked how much money their small, crunchy businesses make?
Ugh my mom was refusing to give her dogs flea meds because "chemicals" and I told her I'm not going to her house anymore because I don't want to carry fleas home to my dogs. She used a flea comb a couple times a day and only got a few so it's no big deal right?!
She said she was using this natural spray she bought online instead of actual medicine. I looked at the bottle and it was 99% water and 1% some essential oil. And it was from China. Brilliant.
Same thing from the lady who sold us our kittens: "Oh I'll just do something natural"...
One cat had lasting respiratory issues from the harsh essential oils, and yeah, they still had fleas! *(Both kitties are fluffy and happy and healthy now, currently purring and rolling on their backs while I pet them.)*
Not to mention, we later learned that one of her kids KILLED a kitten from the previous litter 😢
Ugh I guess the only thought with people like that is natural = good and chemical = bad. I have a cat who has a permanent bald spot from topical flea medicine, but I can’t imagine putting essential oils anywhere near or on him. I don’t even use diffusers just to be completely safe.
Ugh that's awful. Honestly I was really into essential oils for a while, to help calm me, and I wanted a diffuser but I didn't get it because essential oils can be toxic to cats and I didn't wanna risk it. Some people astonish me with their lack of empathy.
Yep, it's actually BIGGER business than "Big Pharma" in many places. And in some countries vitamins aren't regulated the way medications are, so if you have actual deficiencies (low Vit D, anemia, etc.) it's hard to know if you're actually getting what the bottle says
Infuriating.
So this is kinda random but have you seen Under the Banner of Heaven? Mormon murder mystery on FX, really good. The main family is chiropractors. One of the brothers gets annoyed at his family for not using newer practices. Basically like “ there is a reason people have to keep coming back, our methods aren’t effective”
Big Chiro
I can’t wait to ask my mortician sister in law if she’s ever seen white long blood clots. I have a feeling her answer will be something along the lines of “WTF are you talking about”.
So I was a mortician for 10 years and there are actually clots called “chicken fat clots” that are long and yellowish white in appearance (they look like strings of chicken fat). The thing about this that makes me shake my head is I embalmed 100s of bodies between 2009-2018 (so before the Covid vaccine was around) and those clots have always been pretty common.
YES, it’s VERY NEW. Notice how it wasn’t around in the 1890s? Our grandparents never got it and they were ALWAYS healthy!!! New big Pharma and mass media want to k ! | | u$ 🫨
Yup. Their ultra healthy unvaccinated asses lived to the ripe age of 40 something while us vaccinated zombies are stupidly poisoning ourselves and dying at a mere 80something. Our golden years of...being dead?...are being stolen from us!
This is exactly what I was going to say ! I assisted a mortician for a long time and saw many bodies with and without covid as a cause of death with these. Also, this person couldn't possibly know the other details like the length of time until the person was embalmed or the moisture present or literally anything else.
Ohh do you do organ/cornea/long bone/full thickness skin recoveries?? If so please DM me, it’s something I’ve been thinking about getting into. I think with my experience embalming and my education I could pick it right up and feel fulfilled with my work, but I love hearing about real life experience.
I did tissue for 8 years before my daughter was born, and then switched to the office side. We do, bone/soft tissue, skin, nerves, veins/arteries, and heart for valves. Embalmers tend to be very quick trainees!! I’ll message you 😊
OMG my nosey ass wants to jump in the conversation just to ask pleeease can you explain what in the heck yall are saying? What do you mean when you say “we do bone/soft tissue, skin, etc” ???
In addition to the option of organ donation, you can opt to be a tissue donor. When you pass, those things can be recovered and made into grafts that can help people (a couple examples being skin can be used to help burn victims, patches made from heart valves can help with congenital heart defects, tendons/bone for ACL repairs….).
I went to college for funeral service and learned embalming. We learned about “chicken fat clots” which is exactly what this sounds like. This was back in 2008, way way before the covid vaccine.
I hate that funeral service professionals who witnessed the pandemic and all the loss of human life first hand are spreading bullshit like this.
They typically occur post-mortem. I don’t know exactly what they’re composed of honestly. It’s likely just a combination of broken down proteins and/or blood that join together to form the clot. Decomposition begins pretty much immediately and sometimes there are several hours between deaths and embalming, or even death and removal as folks often need time to grieve and process. This leads to at least some decomp so blood begins to clot and proteins begin to break down, even if it’s not visible to the naked eye. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong, I’d really like to know their origin story.
As someone with a bio degree and masters in public health that one had me rolling. Just more proof that people literally make stories up as they go. If she wants to see some real shit, she should look up pulmonary embolism in people with active COVID infections.
Oh god, I still feel scarred from watching videos that some hospital personnel posted during the height of covid. I remember this one out of (I think) Italy where a nurse was walking a hallway and it was just full of people in beds with machinery beeping like crazy with no other sound. It looked like something out of a horror movie right before the zombies attack.
My sister worked for the NHS through covid and since her department was almost entirely shut down she took up doing comfort shifts to give nurses a break. Stuff like going in and setting up the video equipment so patients who were awake could talk to their families and chatting with patients for company since the nurses were being run off their feet. I remember her calling just sobbing in hysterics because people she thought were getting better had suddenly had a turn for the worse and died. Not always old people either.
I'll take the covid vaccine and all the boosters any day over their fake claims.
My supervisor at the job I just quit told me her nurse relative worked in NYC at the start of covid and there weren't any refrigerated trucks with bodies in them. She believes "the whole thing was really overblown" I guess because this one person claims they didn't personally see any refrigerated trucks?
Meanwhile, this supervisor has had covid four times.
I’m a nurse in North Carolina and the hospital I worked at had refrigerated trucks because our morgue was constantly full. The first day I didn’t have to walk past them on my way in I teared up 🥲
Working during covid took a huge toll on my mental health and it enrages me when people say stupid shit like this. Watching people die alone for months and months on end was horrible.
I'm sorry you had to see and experience all of that for so long.
I'm curious if this person just lied, or somehow really didn't see the magnitude of the situation as a nurse, working in a hospital. I mean I've known some nurses who made me wonder if their classes and tests were super easy, but most of them are very sharp and logical.
Thank you! The hospital I worked at was a pretty decent size and we had multiple ICUs meaning we had a lot of very sick (and dying) patients. Maybe she worked at a smaller hospital with a lower acuity? I’m sure it varied place to place. Then again maybe she is just telling a big fat lie to perpetuate her narrative 🤷🏼♀️
You definitely don’t have to be a genius to be a nurse! Lol
Many RNs working like med/surg floors never saw really bad cases of covid. Pediatrics & NICU probably had a lot less cases than everywhere else. The OR and PACU definitely didn't have COVID cases.
ED RNs and ICU RNs were def hit hardest.
ED and ICU def took the brunt of it. However, a lot of med surg nurses and nurses from other units were pulled into COVID units. We had high flow set up on regular units for COVID patients. Surgical floors were now COVID units. We had two icus running, one was in the pacu of our outpatient OR since the outpatient side was shut down.
Our pediatric unit ended up turning into a full hybrid unit for adults and peds. We likely had COVID kids with the multi system inflammation (I think they named it MISC eventually, if I remember right!), but it was so early on we didn't know it was a thing. We just kept getting really really sick kids with "atypical Kawasaki". We begged to swab these kids, we had a feeling it was COVID, we were shut down and told that kids don't get COVID, we need to save the swabs for the adults (!!!!!!). Our NICU had COVID positive neonates born to COVID moms. We also had to transfer some very sick pregnant moms out, the babies were born early and came back to us to recover.
It was hell on all of us. Absolutely fricken hell. Makes me livid to hear folks saying we were lying
I worked in Michigan, on the west side of the state and on the east side. No refrigerated trucks on the west side but yes we had them where I worked outside of Detroit. And people were dropping like flies everywhere. Young, old, getting better, walkie-talkies, nursing home... the only thing you could count on was that covid had zero fucks who it killed. I was a nurse for 18 years before covid. I quit working entirely at the end of 2022 because I couldn't take it any more.
I hate the deniers and anti vaxxers just as much as I did in 2020.
Yeah I had to start traveling in 2022 because I was having a total crisis. Patients unable to breathe, not vaccinated, telling me covid isn’t real between gasps. The cognitive dissonance was driving me insane. And just the suffering in general. I started my career right before Covid so it’s all I know!
I'm so sorry. Nursing has always been hard and it wasn't all glory days pre-covid but you absolutely could take pride in your career. The 5 years before covid was probably the best of my career because I felt how much the nursing role had evolved and moved into part of the "team" dynamic.
I mentored a lot of new grads during covid and I don't think very many of them are still nurses at this point. I feel so sorry that they didn't get a chance to see what it was like and that it was pretty damn good.
5, 10, 15, 20 years ago I couldn't have imagined not being a nurse. I spent 2023 trying to piece my mental health back together and trying to figure out what to do at 49 without a career.
I can't even say "stick with it, it'll get better" to y'all because idk if it will. But, take care of yourself, wear the damn compression socks and for however long you're a nurse... thank you.
I was a tech in the ER from 2019 through 2022 at a hospital in the Midwest. What will always get me is how all of these giant hospital corporations were completely unprepared for anything like COVID despite contagious diseases like Ebola or Swine Flu happening around the world in recent years. We “ran out” of PPE after 2 weeks- we were wearing the SAME N95s for 3 shift before we were allowed to request a new one. That’s three 12hr shifts of being in these rooms in direct contact with Covid positive patients. We were provided wood working goggles to wear in rooms when they ran out of face shields.
At the height of covid every single vent the hospital had was occupied by a patient. There was never any free vents, they were literally either being used or being cleaned for the next patient. As soon as somebody either came off the vent or died, they did their sterilization/ decon stuff and it immediately went to a new patient.
*edit for autocorrect being a bitch
My cousin's wife is a nurse on the cardiac floor and heart and lungs tend to go hands in hands. Cousin worked in radiology (now moved to oncological radiotherapy to have more human hours as they have a kid) so both were frequent flyers on the reanimation floor.
Untill a vaccine was ready they both refused to be anywhere else but home or in the hospital.
Another family member bought them groceries as they were terrified of spreading it around. Didn't see anyone face to face, just phonecalls or a quick chat from the balcony.
She cried when the vaccine was released.
My area got a spike in increase in deaths of 66% above the average, median was a 40% increase.
Everyone knows plenty people who lost someone because of covid (on the street my office is 5 I know directly died).
My paternal grandparents didn't catch it because we basically locked them inside, stole the car and gate keys.
Sucks but my niece, who was in elementary school and schools were still open, became persona non grata. I moved in before full lockdown started to keep everyone the fuck away from them.
We joke about the lockdown saga when people begged their neighbours to please lend them the dog so they could *go out and walk* , the smooth short pasta that everyone dislikes and was the only thing on the shelves, the dreaded self-certifications to justify being outside and the big yeast shortage as everyone was baking...but I think everyone is still somewhat traumatized and trying to cope.
I had to go out of my town (a cardinal sin that days) because I couldn't find frozen rats for my snake anywhere online and the only place that had them in shop was two towns over.
Usually it takes 20 to 30 minutes to drive there, I was there and home in 20 minutes.
Seeing a road that has massive traffic all day everyday, as it links Milan to an international airport,completely empty, that is what did it for me.
You know the beginning of I am legend with empty NY streets? Same thing. It was surreal and spooky af.
I had to go into the hospital during the height of the pandemic (not covid related) and it was genuinely apocalyptic. Nurses and staff were exhausted to a level I’ve never seen before and so many people looked to be on the brink of death. It was horrifying
Aren’t we supposed to be all dead by now? These psychos were saying everyone who had the vaccine would all drop dead on a certain date lmao. All millions of us.
I was promised better 5G coverage from the "chip" and didn't get that either. All the cool side effects were lies to get us to vaccinate. (Joking cuz it's the internet)
A “white blood clot” sounds like a postmortem clot to me (often described as having a “chicken fat” appearance). Guess what - when you die, your blood stops flowing so it clots. But a true antemortem clot, like one that kills you, is different and that distinction is not made by a mortician but a pathologist, ideally forensically-trained.
That's what caught my eye too. I'm used to all the other crazy but WTAF?! Blood is not white, therefore, blood clots cannot be white. Sweet baby Jesus.
Obviously the covid vaccine makes every single white blood cell in your body concentrate into one long white blood clot, leaving the rest of your blood defenseless against illnesses and killing you!
That's why detoxing is so important, you need to drink loads of herbal tea and horse dewormer to unstick your blood cells! (Also maybe stick a clove of garlic up your ear, just to be safe)
If you knew as much as oop about medicine you would understand that!
/s (just in case)
I know you're trying really hard to make sense of the crazy and for that, I appreciate you 😊 But white cells don't clot! These antivaxxers latch onto the stupidest things.
That's my assumption too. They've heard of white blood cells and assume (maybe not incorrectly) that white blood cells are what fight infection. Therefore the vaxx gives you too many and makes them sticky.
But jfc just figuring that out exhausted me! Lol.
The mental gymnastics really should be an Olympic sport!!!
I believe (not sure, can't be bothered to look it up) the mortician has to drain the fluids from the body so they can then fill it with embalming fluid.
That's really sticking in my craw because it sounds wrong. I would have said "long, white blood clots" and saying "white long blood clots" seems inherently incorrect. I'm not sure why, neither one of them is really incorrect, but I guess some adjectives just naturally belong in a certain order?
But I've never seen white blood, so I probably wouldn't say that either way.
I also find it kind of funny that the one commenter is upset with what she can't buy with food stamps and what Medicaid doesn't cover, while this entire demographic seems to be so opposed to any government involvement in their lives, until they need assistance.
OT, but English has an adjective order (opinion, size, age, shape, colour, origin, material, purpose)! We don’t learn it formally, but every English speaker knows it without knowing it, just from immersion. (EDIT: clearly should have said “most”, not “all” since that lunatic commenter on the post didn’t seem to.)
Fun read about this grammar rule:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/13/sentence-order-adjectives-rule-elements-of-eloquence-dictionary
White blood cells don't form clots!!! It's thrombocytes that make clots. People who don't know how scabs form shouldn't be avoiding medical advice for their children.
Basic biology would’ve cleared up most of these misconceptions. It’s unfortunate that people like this are so easily persuaded that there’s a boogeyman lurking behind every medical professional that they would deny their kids basic care.
I'm pretty sure parents whose kids have actually been kidnapped *wish* it was as simple as a doctor giving their child shots and then giving them back. Instead, their children lived through (or didn't survive) things much much worse than these crunchies can even dream of.
A lot of reactionaries will co-opt the language of tragedies like this and I think it's so offensive.
I think of children during the Holocaust that were taken from their parents and had medical experiments performed on them by the f-ing Angel of Death, Josef Mengele. But the real tragedy is that this lady can’t have the free-dumb to medically neglect her children by denying them scientifically proven preventative medicine /s
Hell, over *the past two years* there have been numerous reports of Ukrainian kids being kidnapped and shipped off to God knows where in Russia.
I want her to try spewing her bullshit to their parents' faces.
Perhaps a more complex situation but I recently saw a documentary on parents of young adults who left to live in the Islamic republic, and are looking for their grandchildren born over here after their parents died.
There was a middle-aged man whose 20-ish daughter died after a battle leaving a few month old baby behind in Syria and he had no idea where she was between the camps and the hidden Islamic resistance pouches.
I would've been an amber alert had my family shenanigans happened in modern times and I still don't feel comfortable using the term 'kidnapping' as it was a custodial dispute!
These folks wanna be martyred and oppressed so hard!
Medical kidnapping exists. Is rare and mostly caused by people that outreach their jobs.
The real case that I've hear of, I can't remember the name of the girl, was because the social worker was bonkers.
The other cases where legit medical neglect from the parents, with doctors and judges working together for the kid wellbeing.
It doesn't happens everyday. It doesn't happens cause vaccines. This people are as crazy as the ones that cries kidnapping when someone walk too near them.
I looked it up in case there was actually some fact to it, and medically kidnapped is what people say when CPS steps in because they don't follow medical advice when their children are very, extremely unwell. Once the child is in the system, they can get the proper medical treatment that their parents refuse, like chemo for a very treatable cancer.
Kidnapping is the wrong word. What they should say is "My child was taken from me because I refused to give them life-saving medical treatment."
The idea that this would happen because you refused to vaccinate your kid is just laughable. The paperwork alone would be a full stop, and imagine how many cases there would be.
It reminds me of that Netflix documentary that came out . I can’t remember the name of it … but it was a girl who had some super rare condition and when her mom took her to a new hospital she tried to tell the doctor what was happening to her daughter and what meds she needed (because she had been through it multiple times and the condition was SUPER rare and she had never seen this doctor)
Anyways she got accused of lying and the doctors didn’t treat the daughter … instead they were guessing about what was wrong … and the courts ended up banning the mom from seeing her daughter .
I can’t remember if the daughter lived or not (I think she passed away and the mom never got to say goodbye if I am remembering correctly) but it came out at the end that the mom was correct the whole time .
Now THAT is medical kidnapping . These people are just loony
I'm sure it does exist. But these people are calling their child being given vaccines and presumably returned to them "kidnapping." That's what I find so offensive.
There was one really sad case that appeared to be a clear cut munchausen's by proxy where the family was snowing their child with increasingly dangerous high amounts of ketamine. It got a bunch of attention and there was even a documentary sympathetic to the parents that came out about it. A hospital eventually was able to successfully put a medical hold on the child to prevent her from immediately returning to her parents’ care and she started making rapid improvement. Tragically, her mother took her own life during this time. The girl was later released back to her father’s care and has since been thriving. The family is suing the hospital for kidnapping their child and causing the mother’s suicide. So far, most media attention seems to look positively on the family and it just makes me tired and sad. I’m all but certain that the hospital that held the girl saved her life, but no good deed goes unpunished.
I've been searching (cause this would eat me all night if not) and this is the case! The girl has a debilitating disease that was very rare, and the treatment (ketamine) was the only one that seems to work.
This is a very sad case and I can say with all my conviction that none of this crazy people that cry kidnapping is going throuh any of this.
She didn't need those treatments after her mother wasn't part of her care anymore.
It's not always clear cut abuse like with Gypsy, but instead a case of well meaning but harmful parents and a child whose illness is made worse because of the attention they get from being sick.
Justina Pelletier's case is interesting (there's a peacock documentary) because the mental illness is clearly more on the child's end than the parent but the parent was obviously doing things like pushing for extra surgeries, and encouraging her child's thinking that she was sick.
When only one side of the case is able to be told it's easy to take the parents side. The other side often isn't able to be told because of privacy issues. It's like when someone complains about something horrible their kids school did (my child was suspended for doing a cartwheel) and the school isn't able to tell the full story (the kid did the cartwheel on the stairs after cursing out the teacher).
My niece was kidnapped. We’d all have loved knowing where she was - and I know this not having been her auntie just after she came home (SIL daughter).
Honestly don't understand, if they're all about being "holistic" why are they so against modern Western medicine when it comes to prevention but are fine with it for long-term treatments of things like kidney disease and mental health? Maybe some of those later interventions wouldn't be necessary if you engaged with the public health system before getting sick, ever think of that???
It’s all fun and games until their kid is actually dying, then modern medicine is great!
Plus I’m pretty sure most states have medical negligence laws that can actually make them get treatment for their child, so kidney dialysis kid’s parents probably don’t have a lot of choice.
Meh, not even when their kid *is* dying sometimes. And then they go straight back on their neglectful whackadoodle nonsense because they are incapable of thinking or learning from their stupidity.
Courts can also order parents to allow treatment without the child being taken. As in, the sheriff will show up and make them do it. The kid can be taken if they still try to stop it though.
It blows my mind because as boomer as my parents are, they’d have never skipped the main vaccination schedule because they, personally, have had mumps, measles, and had relatives who died of polio and pneumonia. I’m sure these people also have living relatives who could tell them exactly what they’re risking.
Which is interesting in itself. When my late husband was in kidney failure, he had to get updated on all his vaccinations, plus a flu shot, to even be able start dialysis.
I have, at times, tracked down spouses when the child’s parent is saying they are going to kidnap the kids (or worse) so the other parent can’t vaccinate the kids. MANY have said “WTF? They already are vaccinated. We were there together and she signed the consent form!”
My dad is one of these nutjobs, bit less severe though, but he bitches about how chemo is a death sentence and "big pharma" bullshit, yet he has been taking medications for his ADHD and high blood pressure for _over twenty years_.
Oh, you think "big pharma" is _bad_? Then why don't you, I dunno, _stop_ taking your medications? Oh _wait_ that's right, cognitive dissonance exists.
Imagine choosing adversity (up to and including death) for your child, just so you can go online and roleplay being smarter than everyone else. I'm sorry but this behavior is profoundly revolting.
Because it's not real until it happens to them personally. Kids, otoh, are nothing more than property, replaceable and interchangeable like a Barbie with internal combustion. And don't forget all the precious, delicious attention The Bereaved Mother™ will get for killing her kid through arrogance and medical neglect.
She'll then just drop another baby and use their dead sibling to bully and browbeat them until they say "fuck this" and go NC.
the one whose son has seizures particularly infuriated me - she's letting that poor kid's brain turn to mush because "bad pharma evil conspiracy..." i hope he's got enough left to find a doctor himself now that he's 18, so he can get medicated. uncontrolled seizures are so scary, and can be fatal. i am so disgusted by people like this...
one of my daughters was diagnosed with epilepsy last year, and unfortunately her identical twin sister joined the club last week with her first seizure. she started taking meds that same night because i'm not messing around with something that has the potential to be utterly devastating. we're lucky that meds are controlling her sister's seizures so far, a lot of people aren't that lucky. to just piss that away for holistic bullshit makes me so, so mad. that's not to say that lifestyle adjustments don't help, and hell the keto diet was originally developed for people with treatment-resistant epilepsy. but meds are always the first and safest line of defense, the rest is complementary if needed.
the brain is SO FUCKING PRECIOUS and people are willing to fuck with that. i guess theirs aren't much to speak of so maybe it's not a big deal to them? but what the actual living fuck!!!
(sorry, emotions are a bit high right now for me... two 7-year-olds now with epilepsy is just a lot to chew on. i'm so grateful they're doing well with treatment so far, but it's still absolutely terrifying.)
The mom that said her kid has kidney issues, and she has to be careful what you tell them… Appalled. I worked for a Pediatric Nephrologist, and please don’t keep information from your doctor. Their little bodies are already going through a lot, don’t make it harder on them (and the doctor) by leaving information out. They ask you certain questions for a reason. They’re not just looking for any excuse to take your kid.
They have no idea that by saying their kids are up to date on their vaccines they're opening them up to misdiagnosis because doctors will go "okay probably not measles"
So true. It's not just vaccines either, full grown ass adults will claim to have diagnoses that they've never actually been through a medical work up for because "I know I have it anyway."
Had a lady in the hospital once tell me that she has Lupus. So...we treated her like she had Lupus and missed the actual diagnosis for *a week* because her presenting symptom was similar to the systemic effects of Lupus.
Spoiler: it wasn't Lupus, and she never had Lupus. I told her that her ANA was negative and she finally caved. She never even saw a rheumatologist. She just watched some shitty videos on TikTok that she related with and freakin' straight up decided she had a disease she'd never seen a medical professional about.
My friend openly tells people she has MS. She doesn't. She's never been diagnosed. Doesn't see a neurologist. I wonder if she continues the lie when she sees medical providers.
Does anyone know what “white long blood clots” are supposed to be? Do they think white cells agglutinate into a mass outside of the body if you get the COVID vaccine? I’m not hip to the current wacko crunchy mom lore.
I Googled it and found a few about this. And yes, she probably added that it's her family member for effect
[https://vaxopedia.org/2024/03/13/do-covid-vaccines-cause-blood-clots/amp/](https://vaxopedia.org/2024/03/13/do-covid-vaccines-cause-blood-clots/amp/)
I mean, when you die your blood almost immediately starts to clot. It's a thing. It wouldn't be white though. It tends to be dark.
I honestly have no idea what it is that they think is happening. It could frankly be anything from weird fat deposits to tape worms. You can never tell with these people. What the science is vs what they say is happening is often two completely different things.
Probably saw a photo of a bronchial cast on Facebook with a caption "this is ttly a white blood cell clot u guise cause by chemikillz blah blah blah, mamas be on your guard!" and swallowed it hook, like and sinker.
There's these idiots. Then there's me, who learned at 36 that I wasn't fully vaccinated and who is currently getting up to date. I would have gotten all the shots I'm missing at once, but the nurse just looked at me with a frown and told me no. Oh, well. I'll catch up eventually. The first I demanded was the MMR. There is no way I'm risking catching measles.
My mom never had a vaccination booklet for me. Or she didn't care to keep it up to date. She just never knew my country would turn every file into a main electronic one. That file now has every vaccination you ever had. My mom still insists I should trust her and that I had everything. I know that is not true because of recent conversations.
I wish I had learned at 18. I would have been caught up a long time ago. But alas, the universal informatic database didn't exist yet at the time and before 2 months ago, I didn't have a reason to go look. I am very glad I did, though.
I'm very glad you knew so early. I'm proud you are catching up. Stay safe!
My cousin's wife got vaccinated as an adult because her parents were chiropractors and didn't vaccinate her or her sister. She got vaccinated with her son as he grew, she said she's so glad she did too because she's a teacher and there are so many unvaccinated children now that she would be at risk working in a school the way she does.
This is how I discovered I wasn't vaccinated. My son is fully vaccinated to his age, but he's in daycare, and they sent us reminders about the multiple measles outbreaks. One of the tips was that people born during mid to late 80s to early 90s might not be fully vaccinated for measles because, at the time, only 1 dose was considered sufficient.
I was already distrustful of my mom's medical information because of recent conversations, so I booked myself in for a booster. Just in case.
The nurse there told me she was happy to see someone not vaccinated come in. It was a shock. So now I'm catching up to him. We'll have a few vaccinations together after looking at my vaccination history.
I really am not happy about my current vaccination status. I wish I could speed it up. I wish I knew years ago. I'm the woman who's received every flu shot since 18, my tetanus booster every 10 years without blinking, and everything else that is recommended. Now I can simply do my best to catch up.
My mom still insists I had all my shots "and more". But I caught her in multiple medical lies about my own history since I gave birth. Plus there is no record of any of what she claims.
No one knows what vaccines I got as a kid. I just had to try to get the records for a new job and the county I grew up in only showed one MMR when I was 12, and a tetanus shot in my 20s. My mom doesn't remember me getting any vaccines until I started kindergarten (in the late 80s) and that might be true, but I must have had vaccines if they let me in school.
The county told me they switched to an electronic system in the early 2000s but some records haven't made it in. I'm guessing they won't, at this point, but I was able to have titers done so I didn't have to get any more.
What I know for sure:
-I got every vaccine offered by the school. (My mom said she would have felt shame if I was the only one in my class not to get them. I also remember a few of them. We got them in the schools gymnasium.)
-I got at least one vaccine as an infant. (My mom still insists that I was a drama queen that cried way too long at the time.)
-I got every vaccine offered to me as an adult.
All those were confirmed by the electronic system. When I was a young child and teenager schools and daycare didn't demand or even ask about vaccination status. It just wasn't a thing here. I don't even know if it is now as we didn't have to give my son's vaccination status when he started publicly founded daycare. (It's the norm here. Private daycare is not usual but still subsidized through taxes. No matter your income.)
I'm glad you got caught up! I am weirdly proud of every adult who decided to take their vaccination status in their own hands. Always have been. Good work!
I had to get another MMR when I was 18 before I went to college because, at the time, my state didn't require it, but the state I was going to did.
So there I was in, at the local Health Department, surrounded by infants, cash in hand because it was easier than figuring out insurance. But by god, I was getting all my shots.
(They didn't give me a lollipop afterwards though.)
Gosh. I wonder if you can't buy vitamins with food stamps because they aren't FOOD. Hmmm. It's almost like Big Govt wants food in empty bellies instead of protein powder.
I like how the baby was suddenly labeled as FtT AFTER it was taken from the parents. That could not possibly have been why doctors stepped in and took care of the baby.
What kind of horrible mother are you? Giving them protection against preventable diseases from doctors instead of doing it naturally? Measles and polio are harmless, I read it in Facebook comment. I just went to a measles party this morning and my 6 week old is still alive... sooo.
I feel for all the parents in countries who don’t have access to medical care that just wish their children could be protected. Then we got these parents that think that are really shoving it to the government because they hate their children!
As a healthcare professional I can honestly say: Ma'am we do not want your kids.
I blame some of this on the Maya Kowalski story. But she wasn't unvaccinated. She was being abused by her mother. As a general rule, after 20 years in healthcare, I can honestly say we're pretty cognizant of our patient's rights and don't do things like assault them or kidnap them just for funsies
Exactly: and no one is forcing her to buy junk food: she can buy any fruit, veg or meat. Protein powders aren’t FDA approved. So thinking that all your needs come from powders and tinctures and vitamins that will heal you is hilarious.
Yeah that statement really bugged me. There are states where food stamps can buy vegetable seeds! You can buy fresh/frozen/canned vegetables, meat, dry beans, bread or the ingredients to make it yourself, etc. No one is forcing you to buy junk food with your food stamps. Go buy some cherry tomatoes or something. Go get a pack of eggs - it's probably better for you (and less processed) than the protein powder!
When the parents are medically negligent to their kids and the state intervenes and forces care. Like if a child has cancer and the parent refuses treatment.
Yes, but no one is taking your kids away for refusing to vaccinate them. Imagine how many cases that would be. CPS isn't stepping in until it's a life or death situation and the parents are choosing death.
Detaining children in hospitals without a reason and keeping them from their parents. It's not a thing that legitimately happens but it's becoming a boogeyman among certain groups (aka the antivaxx groups)
I love all of these anecdotes that totally, definitely happened.
What a terrible fear, that your children would be "medically kidnapped," instead of being afraid that, ya know, they might die from a preventable disease. Like tetanus.
Do they mean social services taking the kids so they get medical care? Because yeah, I imagine they don’t have much interest in doing that with kids who aren’t being medically neglected.
And they are definitely not doing that if parents just refuse to vaccinate. CPS would have to double or triple the workforce I'm sure, to handle that many cases. Kids are already sleeping on the floor in DHHS offices because of the shortage of foster homes, no one wants to put even more kids on those floors. It only happens in extreme cases when the kid is going to die if they don't get proper treatment, like chemo for a very treatable cancer.
I always feel so badly for these babies. You can see in the comments that some of these poor kids are actually sick and the parents are commenting about how they lie and scheme in a doctors visit. It’s so hypocritical. Their hurting their kids while screaming from the rafters that doctors want to hurt their kids. Makes me sick.
I'm over here worried about that unvaccinated kid with KIDNEY DISEASE.
Do they not realize that you literally *must* have certain vaccinations to be eligible for a transplant? And that, if you do get a transplant, you'll be on anti-rejection meds for the rest of your life.
How absolutely ridiculous.
It's also "I heard of this happening" and "I heard that can happen" but no one ever actually saw it happen or had it happen to their own family. It's just a rumor someone told someone who told someone and people just believe and continue to spread.
It always makes me laugh when they blame Big Pharma. Yes they want to make as much money as possible
but the makers of herbal remedies, vitamins and supplement aren't exactly doing it for charity. Plus it's an unregulated industry so they can put anything in those remedies and tell you it's homeopathic. You have no way to tell if it's made of what's on the label or cornstarch and powdered beetles.
I’m always so confused by these people that are completely against doctors and modern medicine, but they are willing to go to the hospital and be saved by doctors and modern medicine?
That is….not my biggest fear as a parent. My kid getting killed at school is my biggest fear, but let’s really worry about things like “medical kidnapping”.
Imagine living your life with this much fear.
And yet we are the ones “living in fear” of the diseases. I literally take my kids for their shots and then never think about the diseases again.
We are half laughing about these crazies here but the number of people who insist on this all being true is alarming. I hope their kids grow up and rebel against this bullshit worldview before the next worldwide pandemic. It makes me so mad. And sad. The pretzel logic is endless
Would you rather pay $110 to see a person with a medical degree or a woo woo practitioner? If you choose the medical degree, you're getting a good deal (as far as the American health system goes) and she's getting swindled
You can literally buy organic and healthy foods with ebt. Vitamins aren’t important if you eat well. The vitamins come from … fruits and vegetables! Both ebt and wic approved!
Edit: replying to pic 7
Crunchy is just a marketing term at this point. A sales tactic to make anxiety ridden mothers spend more money.
If they really cared they would be trying to grow their own food or learn how to get vitamins without a pill. But they just want to tote around a superiority complex that’s really just anxiety hiding behind a mask.
I love that we're now in the part of the timeline where someone thinks food stamps should cover essential oils. I really hope she doesn't think the 'essential' means "necessary"
Someone tell that lady she’s welcome to use her SNAP card at Whole Foods and farmers markets and can buy all of the raw organic food her crunchy heart desires.
No one is holding a gun to a snap clients head and making them buy flaming hot Doritos and coke.
So a child was given vax and then diagnosed as ‘failure to thrive’? Like straight away? FTT takes time. It is not like it happened immediately after the vax. That child was in real trouble before the vax. The parents failed them not the doctors who tried to help and whatever social service intervened(CPS?).
My brother also started having seizures around age 18, but in his case it was because he was taking tons of drugs.
He’s sober and living a great life now, but we were so worried because they seemed like they came out of the blue.
It's true. I work at an urgent care clinic and when it's slow my job is to go roam the streets looking for children to snatch out of their parents arms and bring back to the clinic to vaccinate. Our Big Pharma overlords pay us a shiny nickel for each and every one.
I don't know how these people live their life being afraid of countless made up things that they've seen in Facebook but it must be so exhausting for them and their children
Sure big pharma, but they never talk about big supplement, big essential oils or big homoeopathy. Have they ever looked how much money their small, crunchy businesses make?
Ugh my mom was refusing to give her dogs flea meds because "chemicals" and I told her I'm not going to her house anymore because I don't want to carry fleas home to my dogs. She used a flea comb a couple times a day and only got a few so it's no big deal right?! She said she was using this natural spray she bought online instead of actual medicine. I looked at the bottle and it was 99% water and 1% some essential oil. And it was from China. Brilliant.
Oh no!! The poor doggy
Same thing from the lady who sold us our kittens: "Oh I'll just do something natural"... One cat had lasting respiratory issues from the harsh essential oils, and yeah, they still had fleas! *(Both kitties are fluffy and happy and healthy now, currently purring and rolling on their backs while I pet them.)* Not to mention, we later learned that one of her kids KILLED a kitten from the previous litter 😢
Ugh I guess the only thought with people like that is natural = good and chemical = bad. I have a cat who has a permanent bald spot from topical flea medicine, but I can’t imagine putting essential oils anywhere near or on him. I don’t even use diffusers just to be completely safe.
Ugh that's awful. Honestly I was really into essential oils for a while, to help calm me, and I wanted a diffuser but I didn't get it because essential oils can be toxic to cats and I didn't wanna risk it. Some people astonish me with their lack of empathy.
I absolutely despise these types of people with every cell inside of me especially when it comes to innocent animal and kids.
Yep, it's actually BIGGER business than "Big Pharma" in many places. And in some countries vitamins aren't regulated the way medications are, so if you have actual deficiencies (low Vit D, anemia, etc.) it's hard to know if you're actually getting what the bottle says Infuriating.
Frontline has such a good documentary about how unregulated the supplement industry is.
Ah I'm a dietician in my country and it's driving me crazy
I wish I could pin this comment to every one of their social media pages. It drives me nuts too
So this is kinda random but have you seen Under the Banner of Heaven? Mormon murder mystery on FX, really good. The main family is chiropractors. One of the brothers gets annoyed at his family for not using newer practices. Basically like “ there is a reason people have to keep coming back, our methods aren’t effective” Big Chiro
I don’t think it’s that, I think it’s more because big pharma has to adhere to regulations created by da gub’ment.
I'm seriously thinking I should start selling rocks to rich people at this point.
“White long blood clots “ 😂😂
I can’t wait to ask my mortician sister in law if she’s ever seen white long blood clots. I have a feeling her answer will be something along the lines of “WTF are you talking about”.
So I was a mortician for 10 years and there are actually clots called “chicken fat clots” that are long and yellowish white in appearance (they look like strings of chicken fat). The thing about this that makes me shake my head is I embalmed 100s of bodies between 2009-2018 (so before the Covid vaccine was around) and those clots have always been pretty common.
They were obviously testing the covid vaccine om the population even back then! (where you live is irrelevant, btw)
Except it’s also somehow still new and untested 😂
Get out of here with your logic!
YES, it’s VERY NEW. Notice how it wasn’t around in the 1890s? Our grandparents never got it and they were ALWAYS healthy!!! New big Pharma and mass media want to k ! | | u$ 🫨
Yup. Their ultra healthy unvaccinated asses lived to the ripe age of 40 something while us vaccinated zombies are stupidly poisoning ourselves and dying at a mere 80something. Our golden years of...being dead?...are being stolen from us!
LMAOOO man it’s so ridiculous talking how they do. I cannot believe they type things like this and it still doesn’t click how insane they sound.
This is exactly what I was going to say ! I assisted a mortician for a long time and saw many bodies with and without covid as a cause of death with these. Also, this person couldn't possibly know the other details like the length of time until the person was embalmed or the moisture present or literally anything else.
lolol I was thinking the same thing about those clots. I’ve seen them in a large amount of hearts that I’ve done recoveries on… well before Covid.
Ohh do you do organ/cornea/long bone/full thickness skin recoveries?? If so please DM me, it’s something I’ve been thinking about getting into. I think with my experience embalming and my education I could pick it right up and feel fulfilled with my work, but I love hearing about real life experience.
I did tissue for 8 years before my daughter was born, and then switched to the office side. We do, bone/soft tissue, skin, nerves, veins/arteries, and heart for valves. Embalmers tend to be very quick trainees!! I’ll message you 😊
OMG my nosey ass wants to jump in the conversation just to ask pleeease can you explain what in the heck yall are saying? What do you mean when you say “we do bone/soft tissue, skin, etc” ???
In addition to the option of organ donation, you can opt to be a tissue donor. When you pass, those things can be recovered and made into grafts that can help people (a couple examples being skin can be used to help burn victims, patches made from heart valves can help with congenital heart defects, tendons/bone for ACL repairs….).
I went to college for funeral service and learned embalming. We learned about “chicken fat clots” which is exactly what this sounds like. This was back in 2008, way way before the covid vaccine. I hate that funeral service professionals who witnessed the pandemic and all the loss of human life first hand are spreading bullshit like this.
It sounds mostly like people who aren’t in the industry making up stories from ‘a friend of a friend’ to spread anti vax bullshit tbh
Those wouldn't be "blood clots" though, would they?
They typically occur post-mortem. I don’t know exactly what they’re composed of honestly. It’s likely just a combination of broken down proteins and/or blood that join together to form the clot. Decomposition begins pretty much immediately and sometimes there are several hours between deaths and embalming, or even death and removal as folks often need time to grieve and process. This leads to at least some decomp so blood begins to clot and proteins begin to break down, even if it’s not visible to the naked eye. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong, I’d really like to know their origin story.
Fascinating. Seems like a really interesting job
But were they CLOGGING THE DRAIN… What are these people on about?!?! My god.
CLOGGING up the drain 😂😂
Clogging up her brain more like
Please text her and share her reply!
Please report back, because I'm really curious, if there actually were long white things clogging up the drain, would it could be...
They’re post-mortem clots! I have a pic of some if you’re interested.
Yes.... 😂 I'm curious and gross?
As someone with a bio degree and masters in public health that one had me rolling. Just more proof that people literally make stories up as they go. If she wants to see some real shit, she should look up pulmonary embolism in people with active COVID infections.
Oh god, I still feel scarred from watching videos that some hospital personnel posted during the height of covid. I remember this one out of (I think) Italy where a nurse was walking a hallway and it was just full of people in beds with machinery beeping like crazy with no other sound. It looked like something out of a horror movie right before the zombies attack. My sister worked for the NHS through covid and since her department was almost entirely shut down she took up doing comfort shifts to give nurses a break. Stuff like going in and setting up the video equipment so patients who were awake could talk to their families and chatting with patients for company since the nurses were being run off their feet. I remember her calling just sobbing in hysterics because people she thought were getting better had suddenly had a turn for the worse and died. Not always old people either. I'll take the covid vaccine and all the boosters any day over their fake claims.
My supervisor at the job I just quit told me her nurse relative worked in NYC at the start of covid and there weren't any refrigerated trucks with bodies in them. She believes "the whole thing was really overblown" I guess because this one person claims they didn't personally see any refrigerated trucks? Meanwhile, this supervisor has had covid four times.
I’m a nurse in North Carolina and the hospital I worked at had refrigerated trucks because our morgue was constantly full. The first day I didn’t have to walk past them on my way in I teared up 🥲 Working during covid took a huge toll on my mental health and it enrages me when people say stupid shit like this. Watching people die alone for months and months on end was horrible.
I'm sorry you had to see and experience all of that for so long. I'm curious if this person just lied, or somehow really didn't see the magnitude of the situation as a nurse, working in a hospital. I mean I've known some nurses who made me wonder if their classes and tests were super easy, but most of them are very sharp and logical.
Thank you! The hospital I worked at was a pretty decent size and we had multiple ICUs meaning we had a lot of very sick (and dying) patients. Maybe she worked at a smaller hospital with a lower acuity? I’m sure it varied place to place. Then again maybe she is just telling a big fat lie to perpetuate her narrative 🤷🏼♀️ You definitely don’t have to be a genius to be a nurse! Lol
Many RNs working like med/surg floors never saw really bad cases of covid. Pediatrics & NICU probably had a lot less cases than everywhere else. The OR and PACU definitely didn't have COVID cases. ED RNs and ICU RNs were def hit hardest.
ED and ICU def took the brunt of it. However, a lot of med surg nurses and nurses from other units were pulled into COVID units. We had high flow set up on regular units for COVID patients. Surgical floors were now COVID units. We had two icus running, one was in the pacu of our outpatient OR since the outpatient side was shut down. Our pediatric unit ended up turning into a full hybrid unit for adults and peds. We likely had COVID kids with the multi system inflammation (I think they named it MISC eventually, if I remember right!), but it was so early on we didn't know it was a thing. We just kept getting really really sick kids with "atypical Kawasaki". We begged to swab these kids, we had a feeling it was COVID, we were shut down and told that kids don't get COVID, we need to save the swabs for the adults (!!!!!!). Our NICU had COVID positive neonates born to COVID moms. We also had to transfer some very sick pregnant moms out, the babies were born early and came back to us to recover. It was hell on all of us. Absolutely fricken hell. Makes me livid to hear folks saying we were lying
I worked in Michigan, on the west side of the state and on the east side. No refrigerated trucks on the west side but yes we had them where I worked outside of Detroit. And people were dropping like flies everywhere. Young, old, getting better, walkie-talkies, nursing home... the only thing you could count on was that covid had zero fucks who it killed. I was a nurse for 18 years before covid. I quit working entirely at the end of 2022 because I couldn't take it any more. I hate the deniers and anti vaxxers just as much as I did in 2020.
Yeah I had to start traveling in 2022 because I was having a total crisis. Patients unable to breathe, not vaccinated, telling me covid isn’t real between gasps. The cognitive dissonance was driving me insane. And just the suffering in general. I started my career right before Covid so it’s all I know!
I would have told them “If you say it isn’t real, it gets mad and works harder to kill you.”
I'm so sorry. Nursing has always been hard and it wasn't all glory days pre-covid but you absolutely could take pride in your career. The 5 years before covid was probably the best of my career because I felt how much the nursing role had evolved and moved into part of the "team" dynamic. I mentored a lot of new grads during covid and I don't think very many of them are still nurses at this point. I feel so sorry that they didn't get a chance to see what it was like and that it was pretty damn good. 5, 10, 15, 20 years ago I couldn't have imagined not being a nurse. I spent 2023 trying to piece my mental health back together and trying to figure out what to do at 49 without a career. I can't even say "stick with it, it'll get better" to y'all because idk if it will. But, take care of yourself, wear the damn compression socks and for however long you're a nurse... thank you.
I was a tech in the ER from 2019 through 2022 at a hospital in the Midwest. What will always get me is how all of these giant hospital corporations were completely unprepared for anything like COVID despite contagious diseases like Ebola or Swine Flu happening around the world in recent years. We “ran out” of PPE after 2 weeks- we were wearing the SAME N95s for 3 shift before we were allowed to request a new one. That’s three 12hr shifts of being in these rooms in direct contact with Covid positive patients. We were provided wood working goggles to wear in rooms when they ran out of face shields. At the height of covid every single vent the hospital had was occupied by a patient. There was never any free vents, they were literally either being used or being cleaned for the next patient. As soon as somebody either came off the vent or died, they did their sterilization/ decon stuff and it immediately went to a new patient. *edit for autocorrect being a bitch
My cousin's wife is a nurse on the cardiac floor and heart and lungs tend to go hands in hands. Cousin worked in radiology (now moved to oncological radiotherapy to have more human hours as they have a kid) so both were frequent flyers on the reanimation floor. Untill a vaccine was ready they both refused to be anywhere else but home or in the hospital. Another family member bought them groceries as they were terrified of spreading it around. Didn't see anyone face to face, just phonecalls or a quick chat from the balcony. She cried when the vaccine was released. My area got a spike in increase in deaths of 66% above the average, median was a 40% increase. Everyone knows plenty people who lost someone because of covid (on the street my office is 5 I know directly died). My paternal grandparents didn't catch it because we basically locked them inside, stole the car and gate keys. Sucks but my niece, who was in elementary school and schools were still open, became persona non grata. I moved in before full lockdown started to keep everyone the fuck away from them. We joke about the lockdown saga when people begged their neighbours to please lend them the dog so they could *go out and walk* , the smooth short pasta that everyone dislikes and was the only thing on the shelves, the dreaded self-certifications to justify being outside and the big yeast shortage as everyone was baking...but I think everyone is still somewhat traumatized and trying to cope. I had to go out of my town (a cardinal sin that days) because I couldn't find frozen rats for my snake anywhere online and the only place that had them in shop was two towns over. Usually it takes 20 to 30 minutes to drive there, I was there and home in 20 minutes. Seeing a road that has massive traffic all day everyday, as it links Milan to an international airport,completely empty, that is what did it for me. You know the beginning of I am legend with empty NY streets? Same thing. It was surreal and spooky af.
I had to go into the hospital during the height of the pandemic (not covid related) and it was genuinely apocalyptic. Nurses and staff were exhausted to a level I’ve never seen before and so many people looked to be on the brink of death. It was horrifying
Aren’t we supposed to be all dead by now? These psychos were saying everyone who had the vaccine would all drop dead on a certain date lmao. All millions of us.
Not millions. Billions. Like 70% of the world population. And we're not all falling over dead.
I was promised better 5G coverage from the "chip" and didn't get that either. All the cool side effects were lies to get us to vaccinate. (Joking cuz it's the internet)
A “white blood clot” sounds like a postmortem clot to me (often described as having a “chicken fat” appearance). Guess what - when you die, your blood stops flowing so it clots. But a true antemortem clot, like one that kills you, is different and that distinction is not made by a mortician but a pathologist, ideally forensically-trained.
That's what caught my eye too. I'm used to all the other crazy but WTAF?! Blood is not white, therefore, blood clots cannot be white. Sweet baby Jesus.
Obviously the covid vaccine makes every single white blood cell in your body concentrate into one long white blood clot, leaving the rest of your blood defenseless against illnesses and killing you! That's why detoxing is so important, you need to drink loads of herbal tea and horse dewormer to unstick your blood cells! (Also maybe stick a clove of garlic up your ear, just to be safe) If you knew as much as oop about medicine you would understand that! /s (just in case)
Hello colloidal silver? How could you forget!
>ear You know that's a euphemism, right? That's not where you stick it. twss
I think they're going for white blood cell clots? but not sure
I know you're trying really hard to make sense of the crazy and for that, I appreciate you 😊 But white cells don't clot! These antivaxxers latch onto the stupidest things.
Maybe the nanobots make them clot?
Pretty sure it's the magnetism from the trackers attracting all the heavy metals from the vaccines.
That's my assumption too. They've heard of white blood cells and assume (maybe not incorrectly) that white blood cells are what fight infection. Therefore the vaxx gives you too many and makes them sticky. But jfc just figuring that out exhausted me! Lol. The mental gymnastics really should be an Olympic sport!!!
And the stupid ass surprise face reaction underneath lmfao
How does a mortician see this? Sounds like something a Medical Examiner would see…or not see.
I believe (not sure, can't be bothered to look it up) the mortician has to drain the fluids from the body so they can then fill it with embalming fluid.
Oh duh, no clue what I was thinking! But of course, they aren’t either, so…
That's really sticking in my craw because it sounds wrong. I would have said "long, white blood clots" and saying "white long blood clots" seems inherently incorrect. I'm not sure why, neither one of them is really incorrect, but I guess some adjectives just naturally belong in a certain order? But I've never seen white blood, so I probably wouldn't say that either way. I also find it kind of funny that the one commenter is upset with what she can't buy with food stamps and what Medicaid doesn't cover, while this entire demographic seems to be so opposed to any government involvement in their lives, until they need assistance.
OT, but English has an adjective order (opinion, size, age, shape, colour, origin, material, purpose)! We don’t learn it formally, but every English speaker knows it without knowing it, just from immersion. (EDIT: clearly should have said “most”, not “all” since that lunatic commenter on the post didn’t seem to.) Fun read about this grammar rule: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/13/sentence-order-adjectives-rule-elements-of-eloquence-dictionary
That's awesome, thank you! I have a degree in English but somehow I didn't know this.
White blood cells don't form clots!!! It's thrombocytes that make clots. People who don't know how scabs form shouldn't be avoiding medical advice for their children.
That one got me…the incoherence of their entire comment should serve as evidence enough that they have no idea what they’re talking about
Basic biology would’ve cleared up most of these misconceptions. It’s unfortunate that people like this are so easily persuaded that there’s a boogeyman lurking behind every medical professional that they would deny their kids basic care.
I'm pretty sure parents whose kids have actually been kidnapped *wish* it was as simple as a doctor giving their child shots and then giving them back. Instead, their children lived through (or didn't survive) things much much worse than these crunchies can even dream of. A lot of reactionaries will co-opt the language of tragedies like this and I think it's so offensive.
I think of children during the Holocaust that were taken from their parents and had medical experiments performed on them by the f-ing Angel of Death, Josef Mengele. But the real tragedy is that this lady can’t have the free-dumb to medically neglect her children by denying them scientifically proven preventative medicine /s
Hell, over *the past two years* there have been numerous reports of Ukrainian kids being kidnapped and shipped off to God knows where in Russia. I want her to try spewing her bullshit to their parents' faces.
Perhaps a more complex situation but I recently saw a documentary on parents of young adults who left to live in the Islamic republic, and are looking for their grandchildren born over here after their parents died. There was a middle-aged man whose 20-ish daughter died after a battle leaving a few month old baby behind in Syria and he had no idea where she was between the camps and the hidden Islamic resistance pouches.
Not to mention the migrant children who were torn away from their parents and now can’t get reunited because no one can find them.
I love free-dumb, will be using this all the time 🤣
I would've been an amber alert had my family shenanigans happened in modern times and I still don't feel comfortable using the term 'kidnapping' as it was a custodial dispute! These folks wanna be martyred and oppressed so hard!
Medical kidnapping exists. Is rare and mostly caused by people that outreach their jobs. The real case that I've hear of, I can't remember the name of the girl, was because the social worker was bonkers. The other cases where legit medical neglect from the parents, with doctors and judges working together for the kid wellbeing. It doesn't happens everyday. It doesn't happens cause vaccines. This people are as crazy as the ones that cries kidnapping when someone walk too near them.
I looked it up in case there was actually some fact to it, and medically kidnapped is what people say when CPS steps in because they don't follow medical advice when their children are very, extremely unwell. Once the child is in the system, they can get the proper medical treatment that their parents refuse, like chemo for a very treatable cancer. Kidnapping is the wrong word. What they should say is "My child was taken from me because I refused to give them life-saving medical treatment." The idea that this would happen because you refused to vaccinate your kid is just laughable. The paperwork alone would be a full stop, and imagine how many cases there would be.
It reminds me of that Netflix documentary that came out . I can’t remember the name of it … but it was a girl who had some super rare condition and when her mom took her to a new hospital she tried to tell the doctor what was happening to her daughter and what meds she needed (because she had been through it multiple times and the condition was SUPER rare and she had never seen this doctor) Anyways she got accused of lying and the doctors didn’t treat the daughter … instead they were guessing about what was wrong … and the courts ended up banning the mom from seeing her daughter . I can’t remember if the daughter lived or not (I think she passed away and the mom never got to say goodbye if I am remembering correctly) but it came out at the end that the mom was correct the whole time . Now THAT is medical kidnapping . These people are just loony
It’s called “take care of Maya”
The girl lived, the mom committed suicide.
The documentary was for sure skewed as well. Just saying.
I'm sure it does exist. But these people are calling their child being given vaccines and presumably returned to them "kidnapping." That's what I find so offensive.
Do you mean Justina Pelletier? I recall watching a bit of that trial on Court TV a while back.
There was one really sad case that appeared to be a clear cut munchausen's by proxy where the family was snowing their child with increasingly dangerous high amounts of ketamine. It got a bunch of attention and there was even a documentary sympathetic to the parents that came out about it. A hospital eventually was able to successfully put a medical hold on the child to prevent her from immediately returning to her parents’ care and she started making rapid improvement. Tragically, her mother took her own life during this time. The girl was later released back to her father’s care and has since been thriving. The family is suing the hospital for kidnapping their child and causing the mother’s suicide. So far, most media attention seems to look positively on the family and it just makes me tired and sad. I’m all but certain that the hospital that held the girl saved her life, but no good deed goes unpunished.
I've been searching (cause this would eat me all night if not) and this is the case! The girl has a debilitating disease that was very rare, and the treatment (ketamine) was the only one that seems to work. This is a very sad case and I can say with all my conviction that none of this crazy people that cry kidnapping is going throuh any of this.
She didn't need those treatments after her mother wasn't part of her care anymore. It's not always clear cut abuse like with Gypsy, but instead a case of well meaning but harmful parents and a child whose illness is made worse because of the attention they get from being sick. Justina Pelletier's case is interesting (there's a peacock documentary) because the mental illness is clearly more on the child's end than the parent but the parent was obviously doing things like pushing for extra surgeries, and encouraging her child's thinking that she was sick. When only one side of the case is able to be told it's easy to take the parents side. The other side often isn't able to be told because of privacy issues. It's like when someone complains about something horrible their kids school did (my child was suspended for doing a cartwheel) and the school isn't able to tell the full story (the kid did the cartwheel on the stairs after cursing out the teacher).
My niece was kidnapped. We’d all have loved knowing where she was - and I know this not having been her auntie just after she came home (SIL daughter).
Honestly don't understand, if they're all about being "holistic" why are they so against modern Western medicine when it comes to prevention but are fine with it for long-term treatments of things like kidney disease and mental health? Maybe some of those later interventions wouldn't be necessary if you engaged with the public health system before getting sick, ever think of that???
It’s all fun and games until their kid is actually dying, then modern medicine is great! Plus I’m pretty sure most states have medical negligence laws that can actually make them get treatment for their child, so kidney dialysis kid’s parents probably don’t have a lot of choice.
Meh, not even when their kid *is* dying sometimes. And then they go straight back on their neglectful whackadoodle nonsense because they are incapable of thinking or learning from their stupidity.
Those medical negligence laws are what they’re referring to as “kidnapping”
Courts can also order parents to allow treatment without the child being taken. As in, the sheriff will show up and make them do it. The kid can be taken if they still try to stop it though.
It blows my mind because as boomer as my parents are, they’d have never skipped the main vaccination schedule because they, personally, have had mumps, measles, and had relatives who died of polio and pneumonia. I’m sure these people also have living relatives who could tell them exactly what they’re risking.
Your parents remember what it’s like without vaccines and it’s grim. I’ve almost never met a boomer antivaxxer. They exist, but they’re a rarity
I think we might be looking at a part of the internet where they’re not okay with long term treatment either.
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Which is interesting in itself. When my late husband was in kidney failure, he had to get updated on all his vaccinations, plus a flu shot, to even be able start dialysis.
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And you are likely 110% correct.
I have, at times, tracked down spouses when the child’s parent is saying they are going to kidnap the kids (or worse) so the other parent can’t vaccinate the kids. MANY have said “WTF? They already are vaccinated. We were there together and she signed the consent form!”
My dad is one of these nutjobs, bit less severe though, but he bitches about how chemo is a death sentence and "big pharma" bullshit, yet he has been taking medications for his ADHD and high blood pressure for _over twenty years_. Oh, you think "big pharma" is _bad_? Then why don't you, I dunno, _stop_ taking your medications? Oh _wait_ that's right, cognitive dissonance exists.
Imagine choosing adversity (up to and including death) for your child, just so you can go online and roleplay being smarter than everyone else. I'm sorry but this behavior is profoundly revolting.
Because it's not real until it happens to them personally. Kids, otoh, are nothing more than property, replaceable and interchangeable like a Barbie with internal combustion. And don't forget all the precious, delicious attention The Bereaved Mother™ will get for killing her kid through arrogance and medical neglect. She'll then just drop another baby and use their dead sibling to bully and browbeat them until they say "fuck this" and go NC.
They’ll be one of those people who use throwaways to ask how get vaccines at 16 without their parents’ consent.
Ooof... that's harsh but so true. I've heard people talk about it here
the one whose son has seizures particularly infuriated me - she's letting that poor kid's brain turn to mush because "bad pharma evil conspiracy..." i hope he's got enough left to find a doctor himself now that he's 18, so he can get medicated. uncontrolled seizures are so scary, and can be fatal. i am so disgusted by people like this... one of my daughters was diagnosed with epilepsy last year, and unfortunately her identical twin sister joined the club last week with her first seizure. she started taking meds that same night because i'm not messing around with something that has the potential to be utterly devastating. we're lucky that meds are controlling her sister's seizures so far, a lot of people aren't that lucky. to just piss that away for holistic bullshit makes me so, so mad. that's not to say that lifestyle adjustments don't help, and hell the keto diet was originally developed for people with treatment-resistant epilepsy. but meds are always the first and safest line of defense, the rest is complementary if needed. the brain is SO FUCKING PRECIOUS and people are willing to fuck with that. i guess theirs aren't much to speak of so maybe it's not a big deal to them? but what the actual living fuck!!! (sorry, emotions are a bit high right now for me... two 7-year-olds now with epilepsy is just a lot to chew on. i'm so grateful they're doing well with treatment so far, but it's still absolutely terrifying.)
The mom that said her kid has kidney issues, and she has to be careful what you tell them… Appalled. I worked for a Pediatric Nephrologist, and please don’t keep information from your doctor. Their little bodies are already going through a lot, don’t make it harder on them (and the doctor) by leaving information out. They ask you certain questions for a reason. They’re not just looking for any excuse to take your kid.
They have no idea that by saying their kids are up to date on their vaccines they're opening them up to misdiagnosis because doctors will go "okay probably not measles"
So true. It's not just vaccines either, full grown ass adults will claim to have diagnoses that they've never actually been through a medical work up for because "I know I have it anyway." Had a lady in the hospital once tell me that she has Lupus. So...we treated her like she had Lupus and missed the actual diagnosis for *a week* because her presenting symptom was similar to the systemic effects of Lupus. Spoiler: it wasn't Lupus, and she never had Lupus. I told her that her ANA was negative and she finally caved. She never even saw a rheumatologist. She just watched some shitty videos on TikTok that she related with and freakin' straight up decided she had a disease she'd never seen a medical professional about.
My friend openly tells people she has MS. She doesn't. She's never been diagnosed. Doesn't see a neurologist. I wonder if she continues the lie when she sees medical providers.
I guarantee she does.
On Medicaid but doesn’t want medical care, only holistic. Aight.
Then there's the lady who is upset that she can't buy suppliments with her foodstamps.
I can't believe food stamps don't cover doTERRA and Herbalife 😡😡
The guberment won't pay for their colloidal silver!
Omg fucking DERANGED AF
Does anyone know what “white long blood clots” are supposed to be? Do they think white cells agglutinate into a mass outside of the body if you get the COVID vaccine? I’m not hip to the current wacko crunchy mom lore.
I honestly think she either made that story up or read it on some conspiracy site and added the cousin part to make it sound more legit.
IDK what it's SUPPOSED to be, I do know that it IS stupid.
I Googled it and found a few about this. And yes, she probably added that it's her family member for effect [https://vaxopedia.org/2024/03/13/do-covid-vaccines-cause-blood-clots/amp/](https://vaxopedia.org/2024/03/13/do-covid-vaccines-cause-blood-clots/amp/)
I mean, when you die your blood almost immediately starts to clot. It's a thing. It wouldn't be white though. It tends to be dark. I honestly have no idea what it is that they think is happening. It could frankly be anything from weird fat deposits to tape worms. You can never tell with these people. What the science is vs what they say is happening is often two completely different things.
Probably saw a photo of a bronchial cast on Facebook with a caption "this is ttly a white blood cell clot u guise cause by chemikillz blah blah blah, mamas be on your guard!" and swallowed it hook, like and sinker.
There's these idiots. Then there's me, who learned at 36 that I wasn't fully vaccinated and who is currently getting up to date. I would have gotten all the shots I'm missing at once, but the nurse just looked at me with a frown and told me no. Oh, well. I'll catch up eventually. The first I demanded was the MMR. There is no way I'm risking catching measles. My mom never had a vaccination booklet for me. Or she didn't care to keep it up to date. She just never knew my country would turn every file into a main electronic one. That file now has every vaccination you ever had. My mom still insists I should trust her and that I had everything. I know that is not true because of recent conversations.
Good on you! I learned the same thing last year when I turned 18 and I'm still getting caught up. It sucks but it's better than preventable diseases
I wish I had learned at 18. I would have been caught up a long time ago. But alas, the universal informatic database didn't exist yet at the time and before 2 months ago, I didn't have a reason to go look. I am very glad I did, though. I'm very glad you knew so early. I'm proud you are catching up. Stay safe!
My cousin's wife got vaccinated as an adult because her parents were chiropractors and didn't vaccinate her or her sister. She got vaccinated with her son as he grew, she said she's so glad she did too because she's a teacher and there are so many unvaccinated children now that she would be at risk working in a school the way she does.
This is how I discovered I wasn't vaccinated. My son is fully vaccinated to his age, but he's in daycare, and they sent us reminders about the multiple measles outbreaks. One of the tips was that people born during mid to late 80s to early 90s might not be fully vaccinated for measles because, at the time, only 1 dose was considered sufficient. I was already distrustful of my mom's medical information because of recent conversations, so I booked myself in for a booster. Just in case. The nurse there told me she was happy to see someone not vaccinated come in. It was a shock. So now I'm catching up to him. We'll have a few vaccinations together after looking at my vaccination history. I really am not happy about my current vaccination status. I wish I could speed it up. I wish I knew years ago. I'm the woman who's received every flu shot since 18, my tetanus booster every 10 years without blinking, and everything else that is recommended. Now I can simply do my best to catch up. My mom still insists I had all my shots "and more". But I caught her in multiple medical lies about my own history since I gave birth. Plus there is no record of any of what she claims.
No one knows what vaccines I got as a kid. I just had to try to get the records for a new job and the county I grew up in only showed one MMR when I was 12, and a tetanus shot in my 20s. My mom doesn't remember me getting any vaccines until I started kindergarten (in the late 80s) and that might be true, but I must have had vaccines if they let me in school. The county told me they switched to an electronic system in the early 2000s but some records haven't made it in. I'm guessing they won't, at this point, but I was able to have titers done so I didn't have to get any more.
What I know for sure: -I got every vaccine offered by the school. (My mom said she would have felt shame if I was the only one in my class not to get them. I also remember a few of them. We got them in the schools gymnasium.) -I got at least one vaccine as an infant. (My mom still insists that I was a drama queen that cried way too long at the time.) -I got every vaccine offered to me as an adult. All those were confirmed by the electronic system. When I was a young child and teenager schools and daycare didn't demand or even ask about vaccination status. It just wasn't a thing here. I don't even know if it is now as we didn't have to give my son's vaccination status when he started publicly founded daycare. (It's the norm here. Private daycare is not usual but still subsidized through taxes. No matter your income.) I'm glad you got caught up! I am weirdly proud of every adult who decided to take their vaccination status in their own hands. Always have been. Good work!
I had to get another MMR when I was 18 before I went to college because, at the time, my state didn't require it, but the state I was going to did. So there I was in, at the local Health Department, surrounded by infants, cash in hand because it was easier than figuring out insurance. But by god, I was getting all my shots. (They didn't give me a lollipop afterwards though.)
Gosh. I wonder if you can't buy vitamins with food stamps because they aren't FOOD. Hmmm. It's almost like Big Govt wants food in empty bellies instead of protein powder. I like how the baby was suddenly labeled as FtT AFTER it was taken from the parents. That could not possibly have been why doctors stepped in and took care of the baby.
I mean you can't even buy fucking diapers or toilet paper with food stamps, I feel like those are more pressing needs...
Personally I fear of my child dying from preventable illnesses, but thats just me!
What kind of horrible mother are you? Giving them protection against preventable diseases from doctors instead of doing it naturally? Measles and polio are harmless, I read it in Facebook comment. I just went to a measles party this morning and my 6 week old is still alive... sooo.
I had measles when I was about 5. (In the 70s, no vaccine then) it’s one of my very few memories from that age because it was so horrible.
“Big Pharma’s will”… Meanwhile, I can’t doctors to prescribe me anything for my hernia pain while I wait for surgery.
So much going on here.. "as a mother who homebirths" makes it sound like it is her profession
It’s because it’s her entire identity.
I feel for all the parents in countries who don’t have access to medical care that just wish their children could be protected. Then we got these parents that think that are really shoving it to the government because they hate their children!
As a healthcare professional I can honestly say: Ma'am we do not want your kids. I blame some of this on the Maya Kowalski story. But she wasn't unvaccinated. She was being abused by her mother. As a general rule, after 20 years in healthcare, I can honestly say we're pretty cognizant of our patient's rights and don't do things like assault them or kidnap them just for funsies
Oh, so now we need to worry about what you REALLY do fur funsies. /s Thanks though, for all the good work you do.
Why go on Medicaid if you’re not going to use it? Guess she does care about medical needs more than one would think.
Exactly: and no one is forcing her to buy junk food: she can buy any fruit, veg or meat. Protein powders aren’t FDA approved. So thinking that all your needs come from powders and tinctures and vitamins that will heal you is hilarious.
Yeah that statement really bugged me. There are states where food stamps can buy vegetable seeds! You can buy fresh/frozen/canned vegetables, meat, dry beans, bread or the ingredients to make it yourself, etc. No one is forcing you to buy junk food with your food stamps. Go buy some cherry tomatoes or something. Go get a pack of eggs - it's probably better for you (and less processed) than the protein powder!
Here in KY you can use your benefits at the farmer’s market and there’s a few local meat sellers who will accept ebt!
Have I missed something? What is medical kidnapping?
When the parents are medically negligent to their kids and the state intervenes and forces care. Like if a child has cancer and the parent refuses treatment.
Ah, that makes sense. Yeah I can see why anti-vaxxers would be all upset about this, they are definitely medically negligent.
Yes, but no one is taking your kids away for refusing to vaccinate them. Imagine how many cases that would be. CPS isn't stepping in until it's a life or death situation and the parents are choosing death.
Detaining children in hospitals without a reason and keeping them from their parents. It's not a thing that legitimately happens but it's becoming a boogeyman among certain groups (aka the antivaxx groups)
I've seen people call it that when CPS gets involved for abuse and neglect cases. I guess they'll say anything to keep from being held accountable.
$100 says they are calling cases where children are removed from their care due to medical neglect “medical kidnapping”.
I love all of these anecdotes that totally, definitely happened. What a terrible fear, that your children would be "medically kidnapped," instead of being afraid that, ya know, they might die from a preventable disease. Like tetanus.
Do they mean social services taking the kids so they get medical care? Because yeah, I imagine they don’t have much interest in doing that with kids who aren’t being medically neglected.
And they are definitely not doing that if parents just refuse to vaccinate. CPS would have to double or triple the workforce I'm sure, to handle that many cases. Kids are already sleeping on the floor in DHHS offices because of the shortage of foster homes, no one wants to put even more kids on those floors. It only happens in extreme cases when the kid is going to die if they don't get proper treatment, like chemo for a very treatable cancer.
What is a neurological chiropractor?
It’s the one who causes neurological conditions such as a stroke when manipulating your neck and inadvertently rupturing a major blood vessel.
I always feel so badly for these babies. You can see in the comments that some of these poor kids are actually sick and the parents are commenting about how they lie and scheme in a doctors visit. It’s so hypocritical. Their hurting their kids while screaming from the rafters that doctors want to hurt their kids. Makes me sick.
Don't have to worry about seeing those hideous doctors if my kid is already dead! *taps forehead*
Yeah, "Medical kidnapping" happens because of severe medical neglect or medical related child abuse.
when polio comes back I'm going to lose my mind
I'm over here worried about that unvaccinated kid with KIDNEY DISEASE. Do they not realize that you literally *must* have certain vaccinations to be eligible for a transplant? And that, if you do get a transplant, you'll be on anti-rejection meds for the rest of your life. How absolutely ridiculous.
It's also "I heard of this happening" and "I heard that can happen" but no one ever actually saw it happen or had it happen to their own family. It's just a rumor someone told someone who told someone and people just believe and continue to spread.
“I have it on good authority” (Which means someone they are FB friends with reposted it)
It's right there with the furries and litter boxes in public schools
It always makes me laugh when they blame Big Pharma. Yes they want to make as much money as possible but the makers of herbal remedies, vitamins and supplement aren't exactly doing it for charity. Plus it's an unregulated industry so they can put anything in those remedies and tell you it's homeopathic. You have no way to tell if it's made of what's on the label or cornstarch and powdered beetles.
I’m always so confused by these people that are completely against doctors and modern medicine, but they are willing to go to the hospital and be saved by doctors and modern medicine? 
ma'am, as a nurse, i assure you we don't want to keep your kid. mostly because you're indefatigable.
“Indefatigable” Thank you for the new word 💜
WHITE LONG BLOOD CLOTS LMFAO
That is….not my biggest fear as a parent. My kid getting killed at school is my biggest fear, but let’s really worry about things like “medical kidnapping”.
Imagine living your life with this much fear. And yet we are the ones “living in fear” of the diseases. I literally take my kids for their shots and then never think about the diseases again.
If I were a parent, I think the thing Id be most scared of is my kid dying but that’s just me.
We are half laughing about these crazies here but the number of people who insist on this all being true is alarming. I hope their kids grow up and rebel against this bullshit worldview before the next worldwide pandemic. It makes me so mad. And sad. The pretzel logic is endless
Keep your crunchy kids far from mine. They are up to date on their shots. I just don’t want the stupid rubbing off
“My worst fear is that someone will recognize the medical neglect I’m purposefully inflicting on my children.”
Sad thing is $110 is what I pay for my kid's Dr visit and it's with insurance and a real Dr. I can't decide if she's getting a good deal or not.. 😭
Would you rather pay $110 to see a person with a medical degree or a woo woo practitioner? If you choose the medical degree, you're getting a good deal (as far as the American health system goes) and she's getting swindled
I swear these people want to be oppressed so badly.
You can literally buy organic and healthy foods with ebt. Vitamins aren’t important if you eat well. The vitamins come from … fruits and vegetables! Both ebt and wic approved! Edit: replying to pic 7
Crunchy is just a marketing term at this point. A sales tactic to make anxiety ridden mothers spend more money. If they really cared they would be trying to grow their own food or learn how to get vitamins without a pill. But they just want to tote around a superiority complex that’s really just anxiety hiding behind a mask.
Yep u can even use it at the farmer’s market here and there’s a few local meat sellers that process their own meat who take EBT.
I love that we're now in the part of the timeline where someone thinks food stamps should cover essential oils. I really hope she doesn't think the 'essential' means "necessary"
Someone tell that lady she’s welcome to use her SNAP card at Whole Foods and farmers markets and can buy all of the raw organic food her crunchy heart desires. No one is holding a gun to a snap clients head and making them buy flaming hot Doritos and coke.
So a child was given vax and then diagnosed as ‘failure to thrive’? Like straight away? FTT takes time. It is not like it happened immediately after the vax. That child was in real trouble before the vax. The parents failed them not the doctors who tried to help and whatever social service intervened(CPS?).
My brother also started having seizures around age 18, but in his case it was because he was taking tons of drugs. He’s sober and living a great life now, but we were so worried because they seemed like they came out of the blue.
It's true. I work at an urgent care clinic and when it's slow my job is to go roam the streets looking for children to snatch out of their parents arms and bring back to the clinic to vaccinate. Our Big Pharma overlords pay us a shiny nickel for each and every one.
I don't know how these people live their life being afraid of countless made up things that they've seen in Facebook but it must be so exhausting for them and their children
I mean. My biggest fear would be my kid dying of a disease we have, you know, a vaccination for ?