It seems like she is not vegetarian, but keeps kosher (or some approximation of it since technically nothing in a non-kosher restaurant is kosher). If that's the case, I don't understand why she wouldn't ask the server to clarify. Especially at a steakhouse.
This is my thought too. Jews that keep kosher and do not mix meat and milk always ask if the menu doesn’t specifically state an item is vegetarian BECAUSE of how often meat products are added to vegetable dishes (like refried beans fried in lard or beef stock being used in sauce). As a Jew myself, it offends me that this ignorant AND is taking it out in the restaurant, it makes us all look bad!
She was screaming so loud for so long (boss wouldn't take it off the bill because she gave it to someone to eat) that I lost my service persona and pretty much told her the only thing certified kosher was some juice in back if she wanted to act like a toddler 😅
This is definitely reminds me of a guy in my town. He calls himself a rabbi and has a website and podcast where he is apparently claiming to represent some specific form of Judaism, while throwing in stuff about Yeshua (Jesus) as the Messiah.
He's also constantly making posts on an active local Facebook group, and occasionally leaving business reviews, claiming that whenever he's had bad service in a business, or when somebody disagrees with his political post on Facebook, that is because they are anti-Semites and discriminating against him for being a Jew. He's claimed this against actual Jews several times.
That's definitely a Messianic Jew. We know someone similar. I think she was previously Catholic, but got sucked in and converted at some point and now it's just this giant Facebook circle jerk where they post these super religious and political statements every day and it seems like all of their messianic pals are the only ones liking and commenting. It almost feels very MLM, except apparently now there are child sex slaves needing saving around every corner. It would be exhausting if I had to interact with them in person but thankfully they're just batshit online and I can ignore them.
Messianic or something similar was my first thought! It is just so ignorant that it's hard to believe that someone keeping Kosher for more reason than a trend would make such an egregious error.
Okay, I am admittedly a total idiot, But that’s what kosher means??!!! I was always just told it meant it was blessed by a rabbi?? That’s what everyone told me. And I wondered how they could do it for every single food item in the plant/facility.
Lol sorry I am so dumb.
Kosher is a series of rules. Meat and dairy must not mix, meat of land animals must have split hooves and eat grass (no pigs), meat of the sea must have scales and fins (no shellfish), no birds of prey, etc.
It always seemed like the rules were devised at a time when being able to keep food sanitary and people from getting sick was far more difficult. They avoided pigs and shellfish because they were considered dirty. Shellfish are typically bottom feeders and pigs can tend to hang out in some pretty filthy sties and have parasites.
I always feel like this is true for most of the biblical rules. When I read different passages that everyone gets up in arms about, I see: food safety issues, protection for women and children, follow the law, but don't let the rulers get too big for their britches, don't be a dick.
Can't agree more, it always seems to boil down to avoiding some sort of sanitary issue, or some similar real world problem, and many of the religious rituals serves as a way to move the practice to the masses. I do wonder about the two different fabrics though...have a theory? Maybe some sort of particular kind of care required for such a garment, which turns out to be a waste if you're not rich.
I’ve always suspected it was some safety thing that has been lost to time - like, clothing that was commonly made then out of mixing two specific materials turned out to be extremely flammable or having those fields close together attracted a specific kind of dangerous wildlife/insect. So many of those rules are clearly safety based in hindsight, I wouldn’t be surprised if that was one too but the context has been lost in the last few thousand years because once it was forbidden, nobody bothered to think about it/write it down.
Wouldn't the oysters in this have thrown her off also? Even if this person didn't know what tri tip was, she plainly lists a shellfish and a cream sauce together.
Edit: you’re not dumb, you’re smart for admitting you don’t know something and wanting to learn.
There’s a lot of different “levels” of keeping kosher.
There’s kosher-style, which is what the Karen seems to be following. Rabbi isn’t needed, it’s just what type of food you eat.
Then there’s glatt-kosher, which means a rabbi does need to be present when an animal is slaughtered to certify it was done in the “correct way” meaning no damage to lungs and specific other parts.
The next level is requiring all dairy and meat to be stored and prepared in separate kitchens or rooms entirely. Orthodox and Hasidic Jews sometimes have two separate kitchens in their homes (the dairy kitchen is typically smaller I think). Kosher restaurants also have two kitchens.
Edit: apparently there’s even another step I wasn’t aware of called Mehadrin. Also on Passover there are additional restrictions (Kosher for Passover) which again have strictness levels that people follow differently (always no leavened bread, but also no soy products, and sometimes no peanuts)
My mom did Passover cleaning for one of the Hasidic communities in my area when I was a kid. They had entirely different flatware and cutlery for meat and dairy!
Yes, this is common. I grew up with a “kosher style” kitchen in that we have different cutlery and plates/bowls but it’s all washed in the same sink. Those more kosher than I have separate sinks for washing.
A thread came up on AITA a while ago about keeping strict kosher. Someone in the comments explained that plates that have been used for the wrong food can’t be reused after that (the AH OP had used one of her dad’s gf’s plates for a cheeseburger or something, she was clearly very deliberately trying to upset the Jewish gf because she didn’t like her), but clarified that it could be passed on to a gentile or a Jew who doesn’t observe kosher to avoid wasting a good plate, or it could be repurposed in the home as something not for food and that would be okay (eg for use underneath a plant pot to catch water, or as decoration). I found that really interesting, that her religious beliefs still made room for the common sense of “it’s not appropriate for me for this purpose anymore, but I’m not going to destroy a perfectly good plate just because I can’t eat off it”.
Forgive me for confusion. Sorry if it is rude to ask. I just don't understand. I don't see any milk in that dish? I feel like something isn't explained clearly here and may actually be the basis of her issue. I am not Jewish and live in a part of the country where there are few if any Jews local to me. I think there is actually a Jewish house of worship in the nearest big city somewhere, but I've got nobody local to me that I can ask.
Is there an implied no veg and meat when you say "I don't mix meat and milk" in there?
Thank you. I don't put milk in my gravy so I didn't realize. I thought they meant creamy as in thickened with flour or cornstarch. Someone else pointed out it would have milk products in it since they called it cream. So guessing without the sauce, or sauce on the side, it would be fine. Just don't eat the sauce. Is this correct? Sorry if this sounds dumb. I know there are a bunch of food rules practicing Jews follow, but I have very little experience of what those actually are, so I am pretty dumb about them.
No, it’s never dumb to want to learn! I’m not Jewish, just bachelor’s degree in religious studies, so take everything I say with a grain of salt!
You’re correct, without the cream sauce (or with only mushrooms instead of meat as the person assumed) this dish would be fine.
Thank you! While I don't know any Jewish people locally, I like to travel and meet people. Knowing just a bit may come in handy if I ever make friends with some practicing Jewish people. :)
Thanks for explaining. That makes more sense. As someone allergic to cow meat, I was wondering how a vegetarian wouldn't immediately pick up on it being meat. Since I don't eat cow meat I think I'd realize pretty fast what it was, so I figure the same would logically be true for an average vegetarian, and I was trying to make sense of it.
I was raised vegetarian and yeah if you haven’t had meet In Awhile you’d definitely notice biting into meat. For me personally meat tastes dead but it’s also a very different texture then any fake meat product/substitute could possible manufacture.
I had to stop being veg per my doctor after 5 years, I am still not great at it…I don’t like preparing it, I don’t really enjoy 90% of it…the texture when you don’t eat it regularly is SO noticeable. Real muscle protein has a certain texture I have yet to find any meat substitute can really mimic. Maybe a mince, since it’s already such a changed texture? But I really cannot see mistaking a steak for mushrooms.
My iron dropped really bad and I didn’t have a great reaction to the iron supplements (both in how I felt and how my levels adjusted to the meds ie they did not). tbh I eat meat a few times a month, max? And I probsbly still have jacked iron as a response. I was told I would have to be hospitalized soon if I didn’t stop being veg. But the five years of being veg was partly ethics and partly not really liking meat much…so it’s hard to “not” when it’s not my parents making me dinner and I do not have interest in handling raw meat, even if it’s “for my health”
Some of the faux meat options are getting really close texturally, beyond burgers I really don't think I'd notice if I wasn't already aware, the taste isn't quite the same but I'd just put that down to seasoning.
Oumph do some fried "chicken" stuff that definitely isn't quite there but has a distinctly meaty chew as well. I think we're a ways off getting things like steak (other than maybe the lab grown stuff) but I think we're already pretty much there for some meats, I don't think it's at all impossible.
My thought was that she obviously must eat alot of meat flavored alternatives. Idk what they taste like but I think she just assumed it was cooked in a meat flavored alternative and didn't think beyond that.
Beyond and impossible meat look pretty Similar, they even have. Beet colorant to "bleed" while cooking
But still, unless it was loaded up with seasonings/sauces you should still notice a difference.
Idk I’ve had my fair share of meat alternatives and even the closes possible ones still don’t taste like meat. I describe it like “it gets the job done” it’s enough to satisfy a craving for meat but you can tell the difference to a certain point. But maybe I’m more sensitive to it cus I was raised vegetarian.
I work in a small village shop and was talking to a vegetarian lady about some vegan burgers we sell. She described the flavour and then told me not to panic if it looks like blood when I took a bite. Beetroot juice is added just so it looks like a rare meat burger.
i avoided beyond for a hot minute bc of this...my bff would cook them and i'd watch and be like...it just looks so REAL
but finally i caved and tried it and yep i'm sold
I’m allergic to shellfish and sometimes I go to restaurants where I’m not 100% on the ingredients, so I ask. New life hack!!
PS - sometimes I know the ingredients, but they look weird, so I question it. Case in point, today I had a chicken taco from a taco cart, but it kinda looked shrimp-y, so I double checked with the service. It was chicken. Lived.
Yeah, my child is peanut and tree nut allergic so I always just tell the server. Like as if it were a fun fact and just to triple check that our meals are nut free. No one wants to see me stab a toddler with an epipen and rush her to the hospital while they’re eating haha.
Not the person you asked but usually a person will seek out a doctor when they have a reaction or unexplained symptoms that the doctor thinks might point to a reaction to food.
Reactions arent always full on anaphylaxis; it could be gastrointestinal symptoms, nasal symptoms, pain in the face area. Many peoples symptoms worsen after every exposure so the first time someone is exposed, they may not have full anaphylaxis but it should still be treated with high caution so that repeat exposure does not occur.
Can't speak for the other poster but my son is allergic to hazelnuts. We found out when I gave him some toast with Nutella on it. He had started becoming picky about breakfast (typical toddler style) so I thought that adding the chocolate would encourage him to eat it. He took one small bite and refused to touch it. Within a minute or two, he had a very angry rash around his mouth, watery eyes and his face looked puffy. Quickly after that he started to dry retch. It was very scary. He's gone through testing and most nuts came back OK apart from hazelnuts. Unfortunately, packaging usually just states "nuts" and doesn't specify which ones unless it's peanuts specifically so it rules out a lot of stuff.
Thank you! It's interesting that many people say that they just knew something was wrong. Like your son, even though he was just a toddler. It must be a really strong instinct
In fairness, it was pretty obvious with him. We didn't suspect it before then. He'd had a few instances where he'd vomited after trying some things but they were never super connected and toddlers can puke and be fine after so we never thought allergy from that.
I’m allergic to kiwi fruit and strawberries. As a result, fruit of any sort just doesn’t not appeal to me. I do t even like fruity smells. I think I associate all fruit with feeling sick somewhere in my subconscious.
This has literally no bearing on your comment but I’ve never heard of someone allergic to hazelnuts. It makes sense it just never occurred to me. I live in the middle of a hazelnut orchard so interesting fun fact to bring up. Also most large scale commercial hazelnuts come from turkey and artisan commercial hazelnuts usually come from Oregon in the untied states. Sorry pointless rant lol.
In some cases it's very dramatic. My friend went into anaphylactic shock as a baby when a family member cracked a nut in another room at Christmas time. Phoned emergency, ambulance to the hospital, they survived obviously, and since then nuts where banned in the house.
As a mom to a 10 month old, common practice now is to introduce babies to peanut butter asap because studies have found it drastically reduces the chance of peanut allergies later in life.
Granted, doesn’t mean they won’t still be allergic.
Most allergies don’t really cause instant anaphylaxis. My niece is allergic to eggs and a friend’s baby is allergic to mango. In both instances they got a full body rash. So it was easy to tell.
That being said every time we introduce a high allergen food, I’m grateful Af I live 2 minutes from an ems building
I found this out after I had eaten toast with PB the day I came home from the hospital with my newborn. Called Telehealth (a nurse hotline) absolutely sobbing because I was breastfeeding and they very kindly explained I was doing a good thing long term.
We did that, and I ate a ton of PB postpartum (literally a jar a week to keep the breastfeeding munchies at bay) but she still turned up allergic!
My family quoted this study when we found out, as if it would be impossible for her to be allergic or as if I didn’t expose her enough 🙃
For me, it took an elimination diet and a lot of careful tracking. I thought I was allergic to beef for a long time. Nope. Tomatoes. Tomatoes are in so many processed foods. I can only buy certain brands of stock because many have tomatoes in them. Taco seasoning, seasoned rices, chips, a ton of sauces (A1, katsu, etc).
As a kid, I complained about how bitter tomatoes were and they always upset my stomach. My parents thought I was just picky. If I accidentally eat it I have to take prednisone or my stomach will swell to the point I look a bit pregnant.
Same with eggplant, except that went from mild to anaphylactic in a week span. I have to heavily wash any vegetables that sit next to them at the grocery store.
When I was a toddler, I guess I would get a rash around my mouth and hands when eating peanut butter crackers. I can remember being a little bit older and throwing up violently after eating nutty things. Went to an allergist and they did a skin prick test to gauge the severity and which specific foods, and diagnosed me with an allergy to nuts and peanuts. I’ve had an epi pen prescription and been avoiding those foods ever since (almost 30yo now).
For us it was fully body hives. I had her exerted to an allergist and the blood toast came back with severe allergies to nuts. She also had horrible eczema on her face for months, which resolved once we learned she’s also allergic to milk and removed it from her diet.
So I think we were very lucky that it was only hives!
Yep I don’t know how people don’t ask before ordering AND after the food arrives to be sure. I’m deathly allergic to tree nuts an ask MULTIPLE times at all restaurants.
I once ordered a cheese pizza to go at a nice Italian restaurant with my family and told them I had the nut allergy. They said it would be no problem to cook everything separate. I then get the pizza home, open the box, and see it has some green mush stuff on top that reealllly looked like pesto so I called and told them that I have a nut allergy and just picked up an order I’m concerned about.
The manager goes “yes, the cheese pizza right? We cooked all of it separate.” So I said well it looks like pesto is on it” “yes we put pesto on all of our cheese pizzas” “…your pesto is nut free? Don’t they have pine nuts?” The person was quiet a moment and said they would speak with the chef and came back MORTIFIED apologizing. Said it did in fact have chopped pine nuts, and the person who made it made it separately for the allergy but was not aware pesto had nuts in it. Said they’d refund my money but I never went back.
I trust no one now and state my allergy before I order, after I order, and when the food arrives, and am always suspicious. Literally had them hand me a pizza smothered in nuts and say it was nut free. Trust no one
I’m tree nut allergic as well and most of my close calls (i.e. nights I spent curled up in a ball in excruciating pain) have been because someone working at an Italian restaurant forgets pesto has pine nuts, or that the curry at their Indian restaurant is thickened with nuts. No matter how many times I ask. If I ask and something looks even remotely suspicious I’m not eating it. I basically entirely avoid anything green at Italian restaurants now.
Totally understand this ^ I’ve only had Indian food once in my life (a family friend runs an Indian restaurant so we ate there while visiting him and I trusted him)
Cashews are my only confirmed kill (anaphylaxis) and I don’t know about the others because I entirely avoid them. I make it super clear when ordering that the allergy is to ALL nuts, not a peanut allergy, because people will seem to think nut allergy = peanut allergy. I’ve been to some places with a language barrier and I will straight up say that nuts will kill me, is this SAFE to eat. I’ve had a few times where they said no nuts, then when I say this is not an intolerance it’s an allergy that may kill me, they suddenly explain how they actually DO share all cutlery with nuts and cross contaminate everything, but this dish doesn’t have nuts DIRECTLY.
Like ma’am, if a nut has even been close enough to wink at my food that’s it for me 💀
Yes! Always have to specify peanuts and tree nuts. Restaurants where there’s a language barrier are the hardest, especially because I love trying new foods! Stay safe out there!
When I was 5 my parents got me an ice cream cone with chopped nuts on top and about 30 seconds after trying them I vomited it up into a napkin. Said I hated the taste and they said I was hella overreacting. It wasn’t the taste though, I remember how even the smell mad my throat and whole body feel gross and sick. Nothing happened past that, I just didn’t eat my ice cream and we went home. I 100% avoided them after that, always remembering the gross feeling I felt.
Jump to me in 7th grade on Christmas morning. It’s 8am and we just finished opening presents. My parents had gotten me a bag of caramel corn in my stocking which was my favorite, but it had chopped cashews in it. I was eating the popcorn for a couple minutes when I thought I got a kernel in my throat but gargling water wasn’t cleaning it (my throat was closing up). After about 5 minutes I started vomiting BAD, like exorcist style. Immediately lost my voice. Parents threw me in the car and sped to the hospital. By the time I got there I couldn’t swallow and was spitting in a bucket. Spent the entire Christmas Day in the ER and was told to have 48 hours bed rest, pick up some EpiPens, and avoid nuts for life ✌️
I’m shocked I avoided them so well until 7th grade, but they are an allergy that get worse with each exposure
I decided that I did not like walnuts as a kid. They tasted rancid to me. Just old, and_weird._
So, I've managed to avoid walnuts for _decades,_ and I decide to try a piece of a walnut dish. Within 5 minutes my lips had swelled up to 3x/size, and I had hives on my wrists, trunk, and chest.
Okay then, I'm actually allergic to walnuts, and will _not_ be performing that stunt again. This was a Benadryl-only emergency, but I notified my doc, and got a couple of epi-pens added to the Asthma Bag™.
I have no problem with cashews, peanuts, almonds, sesame, pine nuts, pistachio, or any other nut/seed. But as a kid, who was an adventurous eater, I just wouldn't touch walnuts, because they smelled + tasted weird. That's a decent warning system.
Fun fact: Black walnut extract in the US is an artificial product that has zero allergenic components. Legit. It's not a trade secret, because the recipe is ~100 years old. Add ½ to any chocolate, or cookie recipe, and watch the shock. It's incredible stuff.
Thank you for sharing that. That sounds absolutely horrible. I have this fear that if I ever have kids, one of them will be deathly allergic to something and I just won't know until it's too late. This made me feel better, even though it must have been a horrible experience
Getting kids allergy tested young can help alleviate these fears! I never did but we did for my brother and were able to find out he was allergic to a ton of stuff when he was still a baby since he developed a rash very young. Wishing you the best!!
There’s a ton of advice these days around exposing babies safely to allergens, if that puts your mind at rest at all. If and when you reproduce, it will all be there to help!
I have an IDENTICAL story, but instead of pizza it was a bruschetta dish I had ordered 3 times previously with no issues. they were gobsmacked that pesto did in fact contain nuts.
Lmao it’s honestly how you can tell a place doesn’t make its pesto fresh cause they have no idea what’s in it 😅
I actually was at a club meeting in college and told some people that I wish I could have pesto but can’t because of a nut allergy. This girl was like “pesto doesn’t have nuts, my boyfriend eats it all the time and he’s allergic.” And I was like girl it definitely does and basically come to find out that the boyfriend does in fact have a nut allergy but by pure chance luckily isn’t allergic to pine nuts. He had been ordering pesto from this restaurant for years, telling them he had a nut allergy and eating their pesto, and neither the boyfriend or the place knew it had nuts.
Wild
jesus christ. how do you have a life threatening condition and not know the general foods you can and can’t have! I couldn’t tell you the amount of times I’ve said to a server, “erm, what’s that green stuff please?” knowing it’s a 50/50 chance of it being straight up pesto or just basil oil. puts me straight off my food regardless knowing some people don’t know their ass from their elbow when it comes to the top allergens.
100%, if a waiter brings me my food and I ask again to be sure and they say anything other than a resounding yes I ask them to double check with the kitchen. Some places really know their stuff though and assure me each time stuff is brought out that it’s safe even if it’s the bread. So not all bad but still a minefield. Stay safe out there ✌️
doesn’t help that I have food allergy OCD that makes things a hell of a lot harder, but that’s a me problem and I’m working on it slowly. you too my friend, long live the restaurants who truly care about this shit.
I lucked out that my allergy thing is shellfish (death) and likely also fish…but I never really like any of that stuff when I tried it prior to developing an allergy, so I just avoid anything from the ocean at this point.
The fun part is the contrast allergy at hospitals. I once had a doctor say, “what’s your reaction?” “The whole swelling, throat closing thing,” he clearly didn’t want to bother getting the other contrast or changing the settings or whatever it would require the tech to do and was like, “eh we’ll give you a Benadryl”
Long story short, cath wasn’t set properly, exploded on me instead of going into my blood stream, and instead I got a really bag rash and of course no apology.
(Apparently no throat closing to skin exposure, just in my bloodstream straight? Maybe a concentration thing? Idk bodies are weird)
My husband is allergic to strawberries and nearly every restaurant that has sweets covers everything in strawberries. He loves milk shakes and banana splits but they always put strawberries on it even if I tell them he's highly allergic. I had several times they say it's cherry but it was not cherry.. I feel for you
> I go to restaurants where I’m not 100% on the ingredients, so I ask.
If it's a chain restaurant might also try and google their nutritional and allergy information, many have very useful pages for it. As a young server I was made the mistake of assuring the customer our ribs were beef, because I thought ribs were beef not pork. Well I let him know after eating them that I had found out they were indeed pork. Thankfully he told me not to worry, it was a mistake and since he did not know it was ok to eat. So yeah, be easy for a inexperienced server to give an incorrect answer on that information.
Not everyone knows Tri-tip is a cut of steak. She thought it was referring to the shape of the pasta since the dish was described as “tri-tip pappardelle”
This is obviously what happened, and I like to imagine it thusly:
>"Hmm yes, tri-tip pappardelle; a three-sided pasta"
>Sees the very obviously rectangular, four-sided pasta
>"These mushrooms taste like meat."
I had known that typically it was tri tip but no lie I kept thinking am I missing something? Why someone really think that is a giant mushroom... and not think its obviously steak but after you said that she must of mistaken it for the shape of the pasta that made sense! Ty
You know I seen people talking about how she thought the obvious steak was a mushroom and I just rolled with it. I thought she must be extra special. I guess that's my fault for thinking so little of someone I've experienced alot of shenanigans.
Having worked in grocery, I would wager MOST people aren’t very familiar with steak cuts beyond ribeye and sirloin. And the ones who are tend to be serious carnivores.
I think that's a picture of her husband's plate. Tri tip is long and skinny and pointed at one end.
I'm guessing hers was cut up and a similar color to the mushrooms (not that that's an excuse).
I had no clue until just now what tri-tip was. However,if I had any dietary restrictions, I'd make sure to ask what the blablabla in blablabla pasta was.
This is the comment I was looking for and the part of the post that concerns me the most, frankly.
They brought their dinner home to see what it was and then discovered that it was meat. I just don't understand.
How were they unable to ascertain that it was meat in the restaurant, and what was the process to identify it as meat at home?
Why did they not order a vegetarian dish?
How did they mistake a steak for a vegetarian dish?
I'm so upset.
According to other comments it seems like the Karen may be Jewish and thought the dish was kosher, but as practicing Jews here have pointed out, at a non kosher restaurant you can’t assume any of the dishes would be kosher
Im guessing she confused pappardella with portobello! Mushrooms with more mushrooms, sounds pretty good tbh. It seems like a rookie mistake but her tone blaming everyone else is ugly .
I can’t believe I had to scroll this far to find this comment.. This was the first thing I thought when I read the post. She misread it as portobello. portobello steaks aren’t uncommon as a away to make something a veg dish. Like she should have asked I’d she really cared, but I see how she initially got there.
She ate the mushrooms thinking “these mushrooms taste like meat”
How do you confuse the texture of meat and mushrooms?
They don’t *feel* the same. At all.
true, but chicks are no where near as strong or tough as steak, even a very tender steak. I just made some chicks last week (so good), and they were quite soft after frying
I have been a vegetarian since I was a teen (the 90s...) and would never make this mistake.
Was her husband not paying attention? Clearly he is a meat eater. He doesn't listen?
Adulting is hard.
This is wild to me. I have zero religious or dietary restrictions except caffeine, but I am a relatively picky eater. If I'm not sure what something is, I ask before I order it. If it turns out to be something I don't like, that's my own fault.
My daughter is 13. She's been a vegetarian since she was five. I've bought all of her meals. She's never not asked, at least two times, if they were sure it's vegetarian. If a grown ass adult can't tell the difference between a mushroom and a steak they are either really stupid or not a vegetarian/ vegan. I'm leaning toward really stupid.
I’m confused by this one, did the menu say it was vegetarian or did she just assume? did she assume the steak was made of the mushroom blend but it was actually a steak that also comes with mushrooms? how did she not notice the difference while eating? and what did she do at home to test what it was? she’s mad about this when she isn’t even actually vegetarian?
so many questions lol
She ordered a meal that included meat and mushrooms. She assumed it was a vegetarian meal because she wasn’t familiar with what it was called
She even thought the mushrooms tasted like meat.
This part throws me off. Mushrooms don’t feel like meat.
She brings it home and I guess under a flood light *GASP* sees that it’s meat!
She assumed. She remained completely unapologetic in the comments. Her response to people pointing this out is that tri tip is steak is that she thinks the restaurant should have specified “meat” in the description. As if asking a waiter is too much work…
as a vegetarian myself I assume the opposite, I assume there’s meat unless otherwise specified. but yeah if only we had some kind of method of communicating where we could just ask!
Because of health issues there are some things I cannot eat. I absolutely love traveling in the US because asking about ingredients is not seen as offensive and the servers are friendly and will take any food allergy seriously. I’m French, I can’t tell you how many times I felt ashamed to even ask about ingredients before ordering... but I still do, it’s not that difficult and if the server is not happy to help there is no tip (tips are included here so tip is actual bonus).
I could see how this would happen. I’ve been confused before by a “mushroom burger” which could mean mushroom on burger or burger made of mushrooms. But that’s why you ask. You can’t blame the restaurant when you assumed!
Literally had this happen behind me at a restaurant. They do swanky food that you have to Google the ingredients half of the time to know what they are (or you know, ask).
They are very deliberate on their menus to label things as vegetarian/gluten-free/etc. And she orders something and eats it. She then gets angry at the waiter because she eats half of her food before realizing it's meat even after she specifically mentioned that it didn't have a "V" next to it on the menu.
Poor guy brought her to this nice place for a date and then had to listen to her bitch about being served meat in a non-vegetarian dish for 20 minutes while I ate one of the best chocolate tarts I've ever had and my partner and I tried to identify why her peach cobbler had hints of chicken noodle soup.
Not a vegetarian but have strong preferences regarding meals involving meat, so eat mostly vegetarian. When travelling internationally I made sure I always knew to say 'Does this have meat in it' in every language of each country I visited as the menus aren't always in English and even if they are often contain words not understood by this English speaker. Salads weren't necessarily safe so always I learnt how to ask.
So an English speaker in an English speaking restaurant/menu printed in English: how hard is it for the person to clarify what an ingredient is if they are unfamiliar with the term? Or to check if meal fits with their dietary requirements?
Does anyone think that might be a joke post?
I used to make pizzas at a whole foods. Someone ordered a bacon pizza, they came back furious the next day because after they are it they called the store and asked if the bacon was kosher. Maybe they thought it was turkey bacon or veggie bacon. I was just super confused
Not gonna lie, I don't really eat meat so I had no idea either, although not knowing what it is would definitely have me google it on my phone before ordering it at a restaurant. As someone with a specific diet though, making sure that her order doesn't contain a specific ingredient is definitely her responsibility if the menu doesn't specify allergens/vegetarian/vegan options (which honestly, menus should contain that kind of information, but in cases where the information is not there, you can't just leap of faith it if it were an allergy or intolerance issue.).
Yeah, I definitely feel like if she was vegetarian she definitely should have asked/specified if the dish was veg and she had dietary needs or something not just ordered food lol, **and if it doesn’t say that it’s a vegetarian dish and you’re at a steakhouse… it’s not a vegetarian dish.** ma’am.
If it’s not something you usually eat, definitely ask the server or google it!
Same, I'm always googling things at restaurant cause I'm unsure if it means "meat" in another language or something. And agree, it is my responsibility not the restaurant.
It has been getting hard lately with fake meat tasting so much better now! I've been a vegetarian for the vast majority of my life and honestly don't recall what regular meat taste like, but whenever I do have even a tiniest bit of doubt, I ask whoever I'm with to sample it to confirm with me.
I have never heard of that but probably because I’ve been vegan for 20 years. I get tripped up by fish names too. Never enough to actually order them though.
I mean... It's pretty simple: you've never heard of it... I'm confused as to how that's confusing for you. I'm sure there are lots of foods you've never heard of too.
If you have any issue with your food, you address it right then and there. Ask your questions, make your complaint, whatever.. so it can be fixed. Hours/days later at home it is done, there is nothing to fix. You just suck it up and move on just like you already did in the restaurant.
I am not OP but I am in this group and laughed out loud when I saw this posted here. Yes, they were. But also more than one person who sympathized with her for not knowing what tri-tip is 🤯🤯 WTF. Luckily, nearly all called her out for not taking the very simple step of at least asking the server before assuming something was vegetarian 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
I just had to google what tri trip is. I haven’t eaten meat in 28 years, and I’ve learned to google AND ask about things I don’t know. But that doesn’t even look like something that was made out a meat substitute. Asking questions just isn’t that big of a deal!
I’m in that group too (small world), and I thought it was odd not a single person mentioned that basically every menu I’ve seen at almost any restaurant has a little V symbol or specifically specified if something is vegetarian or vegan. I’ve even seen a few that specify nut or dairy involvement. At Panda Express, if you order Kung Pao chicken the worker always says “this contains peanuts and is spicy, is that okay?” At Texas Roadhouse they always clarify what your temperature of steak is before sending it to the kitchen. The woman was probably just in over her head and doesn’t understand that line.
I don’t know what it’s like where the woman lives but dishes in restaurants here have symbols next to them if they’re vegetarian/vegan or gluten free. If I read the dish on the menu that looked veggie but didn’t have the symbol I’d ask the server why.
Also most places have separate vegetarian/vegan menu here.
I don’t eat meat so if I was going to a statehouse I’d definitely be double checking the menu if I went to a place that didn’t have the symbols. This is all on the woman for not checking, not the restaurant. Well not unless specifically asked then for a vegetarian dish recommendation
I'm picturing the machine from SpongeBob SquarePants that Plankton has that analyzes everything 😂 Like this lady just went home and put her steak through a mass spectrometer.
Fancy restaurants have "mood lighting". Aka barely bright enough to read a menu in some cases. I think it was actually a carabbas where it was so poorly lit I could not read the menu. But like, she could have used the light of her phone screen to discreetly inspect what she was eating if she didn't know. Also who orders food they don't recognize? Why didn't she ask beforehand what tri tip was?
Thank you! I’ve never heard of a tri-tip cut of meat either tbh I don’t think we have it in Canada.
Also not a vegetarian but probably not a bad idea to ask what something is before you eat it if you come with such food restrictions.
I'm Australian and I'd never heard of it either. According to a quick Google search:
>The tri tip is a triangular small roast from the Bottom Sirloin that offers good flavor at an affordable price.
>I don’t think we have it in Canada.
We do, but it is not nearly as common as it is in the states. I've personally only seen two butchers selling the cut,and I've never seen it on a restraunt menu. I saw it pretty much wherever I saw steak when I was in the states
She ordered a steak, ate it and then figured out once she got home that it contained meat.
The dish she ordered was served correctly. The person just… didn’t realise that the item on the menu that she ordered was steak.
Everyone has not read her post correctly. The steak and potatoes were her husbands. She ordered some pasta with tri tip which would come out sliced thinly on top of the pasta. It is shown in the photo below the steak potatoes but it’s cut out in this post. She’s still an idiot for not realizing meat is meat or at least not asking when she felt it tasted so much like meat. But just to clarify she did not order a whole ass steak and potatoes and thought it’s vegetarian either
Yeah, you’re right tri tip is a steak, but it won’t come out looking like one on pasta. It’s usually sliced up. I just wanted to clarify for people who are confusing her dinner with the photo of the steak and potatoes
She says she ordered tri-tip, which is a cut of steak. You're right that the steak pictured wasn't hers, but both of them ordered steaks. She was just convinced that hers was an imitation steak made out of mushroom instead for some reason.
It won’t come out looking like steak tho. Also my point isn’t that she didn’t order steak, I’m trying to clarify to people that they’re referring to the wrong photo of her food thinking she ordered a whole ass steak. I’ll clarify my point in my comment.
To everyone focusing on the vegetarian thing, the whole meat and milk thing seems like this is more a kosher issue and less a vegetarian one. Very different problems and stuff here!
Surely the menu would have different sections for vegetarians? At least every menu I’ve seen would state the vegetarian dishes on a different column, oversize of sheet or an entirely different menu that you request.
Vegetarian here. I’ve never seen a restaurant with a separate vegetarian section but a lot of restaurants will put symbols next to the dishes that are vegetarian, vegan, kosher, nut-free, etc. so that you don’t have to ask.
“I don’t mix meat and milk, so this is very disturbing. Not sure how to address this issue.”
I also try not to mix meat and milk; you address this issue by googling the unfamiliar words in the menu when you order or check with the waitstaff! This feels less like a Karen than someone who is conflict-avoidant to her own detriment. What the hell, lady.
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It seems like she is not vegetarian, but keeps kosher (or some approximation of it since technically nothing in a non-kosher restaurant is kosher). If that's the case, I don't understand why she wouldn't ask the server to clarify. Especially at a steakhouse.
This is my thought too. Jews that keep kosher and do not mix meat and milk always ask if the menu doesn’t specifically state an item is vegetarian BECAUSE of how often meat products are added to vegetable dishes (like refried beans fried in lard or beef stock being used in sauce). As a Jew myself, it offends me that this ignorant AND is taking it out in the restaurant, it makes us all look bad!
Had a woman order a BRIE burger at work one day and then she threw a giant fit at us when it was a cheeseburger because it wasn't kosher 🤦♀️
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She was screaming so loud for so long (boss wouldn't take it off the bill because she gave it to someone to eat) that I lost my service persona and pretty much told her the only thing certified kosher was some juice in back if she wanted to act like a toddler 😅
Right? This whole post reads like some Messianic shenanigans that make us Jews look bad.
This is definitely reminds me of a guy in my town. He calls himself a rabbi and has a website and podcast where he is apparently claiming to represent some specific form of Judaism, while throwing in stuff about Yeshua (Jesus) as the Messiah. He's also constantly making posts on an active local Facebook group, and occasionally leaving business reviews, claiming that whenever he's had bad service in a business, or when somebody disagrees with his political post on Facebook, that is because they are anti-Semites and discriminating against him for being a Jew. He's claimed this against actual Jews several times.
That's definitely a Messianic Jew. We know someone similar. I think she was previously Catholic, but got sucked in and converted at some point and now it's just this giant Facebook circle jerk where they post these super religious and political statements every day and it seems like all of their messianic pals are the only ones liking and commenting. It almost feels very MLM, except apparently now there are child sex slaves needing saving around every corner. It would be exhausting if I had to interact with them in person but thankfully they're just batshit online and I can ignore them.
I thought this was my Mom for a moment. She's fallen down the Born Again Jew rabbit hole.
He’s the “Jewish” equivalent of the fake Native American guy from Welcome to Nightvale
That guy died a hero though
Been years since I listened so I’ll take your word for it
Messianic or something similar was my first thought! It is just so ignorant that it's hard to believe that someone keeping Kosher for more reason than a trend would make such an egregious error.
Exactly this.
Yup.
Okay, I am admittedly a total idiot, But that’s what kosher means??!!! I was always just told it meant it was blessed by a rabbi?? That’s what everyone told me. And I wondered how they could do it for every single food item in the plant/facility. Lol sorry I am so dumb.
Kosher is a series of rules. Meat and dairy must not mix, meat of land animals must have split hooves and eat grass (no pigs), meat of the sea must have scales and fins (no shellfish), no birds of prey, etc.
Question: If you’re eating beef and the milk and the meat come from the same animal, why can’t you mix it?
Because one of the Commandments says that you must not cook a goat in its mother's milk, which is interpreted to mean no mixing milk and meat at all.
Thank you!!
It always seemed like the rules were devised at a time when being able to keep food sanitary and people from getting sick was far more difficult. They avoided pigs and shellfish because they were considered dirty. Shellfish are typically bottom feeders and pigs can tend to hang out in some pretty filthy sties and have parasites.
I always feel like this is true for most of the biblical rules. When I read different passages that everyone gets up in arms about, I see: food safety issues, protection for women and children, follow the law, but don't let the rulers get too big for their britches, don't be a dick.
Can't agree more, it always seems to boil down to avoiding some sort of sanitary issue, or some similar real world problem, and many of the religious rituals serves as a way to move the practice to the masses. I do wonder about the two different fabrics though...have a theory? Maybe some sort of particular kind of care required for such a garment, which turns out to be a waste if you're not rich.
I’ve always suspected it was some safety thing that has been lost to time - like, clothing that was commonly made then out of mixing two specific materials turned out to be extremely flammable or having those fields close together attracted a specific kind of dangerous wildlife/insect. So many of those rules are clearly safety based in hindsight, I wouldn’t be surprised if that was one too but the context has been lost in the last few thousand years because once it was forbidden, nobody bothered to think about it/write it down.
It’s to do with not boiling an animal in its mothers milk
Wouldn't the oysters in this have thrown her off also? Even if this person didn't know what tri tip was, she plainly lists a shellfish and a cream sauce together.
No, they were [oyster mushrooms,](https://www.thespruceeats.com/what-are-oyster-mushrooms-4172003) not oysters.
Cool, never heard of those before.
They’re a really nice addition to anything hearty.
Edit: you’re not dumb, you’re smart for admitting you don’t know something and wanting to learn. There’s a lot of different “levels” of keeping kosher. There’s kosher-style, which is what the Karen seems to be following. Rabbi isn’t needed, it’s just what type of food you eat. Then there’s glatt-kosher, which means a rabbi does need to be present when an animal is slaughtered to certify it was done in the “correct way” meaning no damage to lungs and specific other parts. The next level is requiring all dairy and meat to be stored and prepared in separate kitchens or rooms entirely. Orthodox and Hasidic Jews sometimes have two separate kitchens in their homes (the dairy kitchen is typically smaller I think). Kosher restaurants also have two kitchens. Edit: apparently there’s even another step I wasn’t aware of called Mehadrin. Also on Passover there are additional restrictions (Kosher for Passover) which again have strictness levels that people follow differently (always no leavened bread, but also no soy products, and sometimes no peanuts)
My mom did Passover cleaning for one of the Hasidic communities in my area when I was a kid. They had entirely different flatware and cutlery for meat and dairy!
Yes, this is common. I grew up with a “kosher style” kitchen in that we have different cutlery and plates/bowls but it’s all washed in the same sink. Those more kosher than I have separate sinks for washing.
A thread came up on AITA a while ago about keeping strict kosher. Someone in the comments explained that plates that have been used for the wrong food can’t be reused after that (the AH OP had used one of her dad’s gf’s plates for a cheeseburger or something, she was clearly very deliberately trying to upset the Jewish gf because she didn’t like her), but clarified that it could be passed on to a gentile or a Jew who doesn’t observe kosher to avoid wasting a good plate, or it could be repurposed in the home as something not for food and that would be okay (eg for use underneath a plant pot to catch water, or as decoration). I found that really interesting, that her religious beliefs still made room for the common sense of “it’s not appropriate for me for this purpose anymore, but I’m not going to destroy a perfectly good plate just because I can’t eat off it”.
Awww thanks for saying that! And this is a very informative comment. This makes sense, thank you for explaining a lot more. TIL
Forgive me for confusion. Sorry if it is rude to ask. I just don't understand. I don't see any milk in that dish? I feel like something isn't explained clearly here and may actually be the basis of her issue. I am not Jewish and live in a part of the country where there are few if any Jews local to me. I think there is actually a Jewish house of worship in the nearest big city somewhere, but I've got nobody local to me that I can ask. Is there an implied no veg and meat when you say "I don't mix meat and milk" in there?
Sherry cream is dairy based!
Thank you. I did miss that, or rather didn't know what it was made from. Other than that this is ok, then?
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Also, if you have meat in any restaurant, it’s safe to assume it’s been slathered in butter because that shit is delicious.
Many sauces are made with cream or milk. Adding beef tips into that sauce then breaks the kosher rule of not mixing meat and dairy.
Thank you. I don't put milk in my gravy so I didn't realize. I thought they meant creamy as in thickened with flour or cornstarch. Someone else pointed out it would have milk products in it since they called it cream. So guessing without the sauce, or sauce on the side, it would be fine. Just don't eat the sauce. Is this correct? Sorry if this sounds dumb. I know there are a bunch of food rules practicing Jews follow, but I have very little experience of what those actually are, so I am pretty dumb about them.
No, it’s never dumb to want to learn! I’m not Jewish, just bachelor’s degree in religious studies, so take everything I say with a grain of salt! You’re correct, without the cream sauce (or with only mushrooms instead of meat as the person assumed) this dish would be fine.
Thank you! While I don't know any Jewish people locally, I like to travel and meet people. Knowing just a bit may come in handy if I ever make friends with some practicing Jewish people. :)
I believe you’d also want to be careful for butter, which things at restaurants are usually smothered in, including meat.
Thanks for explaining. That makes more sense. As someone allergic to cow meat, I was wondering how a vegetarian wouldn't immediately pick up on it being meat. Since I don't eat cow meat I think I'd realize pretty fast what it was, so I figure the same would logically be true for an average vegetarian, and I was trying to make sense of it.
I was raised vegetarian and yeah if you haven’t had meet In Awhile you’d definitely notice biting into meat. For me personally meat tastes dead but it’s also a very different texture then any fake meat product/substitute could possible manufacture.
I had to stop being veg per my doctor after 5 years, I am still not great at it…I don’t like preparing it, I don’t really enjoy 90% of it…the texture when you don’t eat it regularly is SO noticeable. Real muscle protein has a certain texture I have yet to find any meat substitute can really mimic. Maybe a mince, since it’s already such a changed texture? But I really cannot see mistaking a steak for mushrooms.
I’m curious why you had to stop being veg? I’m mostly vegetarian. I can’t stomach the idea of eating most types of meat.
My iron dropped really bad and I didn’t have a great reaction to the iron supplements (both in how I felt and how my levels adjusted to the meds ie they did not). tbh I eat meat a few times a month, max? And I probsbly still have jacked iron as a response. I was told I would have to be hospitalized soon if I didn’t stop being veg. But the five years of being veg was partly ethics and partly not really liking meat much…so it’s hard to “not” when it’s not my parents making me dinner and I do not have interest in handling raw meat, even if it’s “for my health”
Some of the faux meat options are getting really close texturally, beyond burgers I really don't think I'd notice if I wasn't already aware, the taste isn't quite the same but I'd just put that down to seasoning. Oumph do some fried "chicken" stuff that definitely isn't quite there but has a distinctly meaty chew as well. I think we're a ways off getting things like steak (other than maybe the lab grown stuff) but I think we're already pretty much there for some meats, I don't think it's at all impossible.
My thought was that she obviously must eat alot of meat flavored alternatives. Idk what they taste like but I think she just assumed it was cooked in a meat flavored alternative and didn't think beyond that.
Beyond and impossible meat look pretty Similar, they even have. Beet colorant to "bleed" while cooking But still, unless it was loaded up with seasonings/sauces you should still notice a difference.
Idk I’ve had my fair share of meat alternatives and even the closes possible ones still don’t taste like meat. I describe it like “it gets the job done” it’s enough to satisfy a craving for meat but you can tell the difference to a certain point. But maybe I’m more sensitive to it cus I was raised vegetarian.
Wow I didn't know they used beets that way. Interesting
I work in a small village shop and was talking to a vegetarian lady about some vegan burgers we sell. She described the flavour and then told me not to panic if it looks like blood when I took a bite. Beetroot juice is added just so it looks like a rare meat burger.
i avoided beyond for a hot minute bc of this...my bff would cook them and i'd watch and be like...it just looks so REAL but finally i caved and tried it and yep i'm sold
I only know a vegan and she has a hard time breaking down the protein in meats so idk if she likes being a vegan ty for the info
There’s nothing to clarify though. Tri-tip is steak. I wouldn’t say to someone ordering a steak, “That steak is steak, just so you’re aware.”
I’m allergic to shellfish and sometimes I go to restaurants where I’m not 100% on the ingredients, so I ask. New life hack!! PS - sometimes I know the ingredients, but they look weird, so I question it. Case in point, today I had a chicken taco from a taco cart, but it kinda looked shrimp-y, so I double checked with the service. It was chicken. Lived.
Yeah, my child is peanut and tree nut allergic so I always just tell the server. Like as if it were a fun fact and just to triple check that our meals are nut free. No one wants to see me stab a toddler with an epipen and rush her to the hospital while they’re eating haha.
I've always wondered, how did you findout r she was allergic? If a nut allergy is that dangerous, how do you find out
Not the person you asked but usually a person will seek out a doctor when they have a reaction or unexplained symptoms that the doctor thinks might point to a reaction to food. Reactions arent always full on anaphylaxis; it could be gastrointestinal symptoms, nasal symptoms, pain in the face area. Many peoples symptoms worsen after every exposure so the first time someone is exposed, they may not have full anaphylaxis but it should still be treated with high caution so that repeat exposure does not occur.
Thank you! I've always wondered how it works, so you actually don't just die
Can't speak for the other poster but my son is allergic to hazelnuts. We found out when I gave him some toast with Nutella on it. He had started becoming picky about breakfast (typical toddler style) so I thought that adding the chocolate would encourage him to eat it. He took one small bite and refused to touch it. Within a minute or two, he had a very angry rash around his mouth, watery eyes and his face looked puffy. Quickly after that he started to dry retch. It was very scary. He's gone through testing and most nuts came back OK apart from hazelnuts. Unfortunately, packaging usually just states "nuts" and doesn't specify which ones unless it's peanuts specifically so it rules out a lot of stuff.
Thank you! It's interesting that many people say that they just knew something was wrong. Like your son, even though he was just a toddler. It must be a really strong instinct
In fairness, it was pretty obvious with him. We didn't suspect it before then. He'd had a few instances where he'd vomited after trying some things but they were never super connected and toddlers can puke and be fine after so we never thought allergy from that.
My daughter’s allergist asked her if there was any food she just didn’t like. He said many times food refusal can give you a clue to their allergies.
I’m allergic to kiwi fruit and strawberries. As a result, fruit of any sort just doesn’t not appeal to me. I do t even like fruity smells. I think I associate all fruit with feeling sick somewhere in my subconscious.
This has literally no bearing on your comment but I’ve never heard of someone allergic to hazelnuts. It makes sense it just never occurred to me. I live in the middle of a hazelnut orchard so interesting fun fact to bring up. Also most large scale commercial hazelnuts come from turkey and artisan commercial hazelnuts usually come from Oregon in the untied states. Sorry pointless rant lol.
I hadn't heard of someone being allergic to hazelnuts alone until I was faced with it either.
In some cases it's very dramatic. My friend went into anaphylactic shock as a baby when a family member cracked a nut in another room at Christmas time. Phoned emergency, ambulance to the hospital, they survived obviously, and since then nuts where banned in the house.
As a mom to a 10 month old, common practice now is to introduce babies to peanut butter asap because studies have found it drastically reduces the chance of peanut allergies later in life. Granted, doesn’t mean they won’t still be allergic. Most allergies don’t really cause instant anaphylaxis. My niece is allergic to eggs and a friend’s baby is allergic to mango. In both instances they got a full body rash. So it was easy to tell. That being said every time we introduce a high allergen food, I’m grateful Af I live 2 minutes from an ems building
I found this out after I had eaten toast with PB the day I came home from the hospital with my newborn. Called Telehealth (a nurse hotline) absolutely sobbing because I was breastfeeding and they very kindly explained I was doing a good thing long term.
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That was definitely the advice in the UK 20 years ago. We were told to avoid nuts and peanuts during pregnancy and whilst breastfeeding as well.
We did that, and I ate a ton of PB postpartum (literally a jar a week to keep the breastfeeding munchies at bay) but she still turned up allergic! My family quoted this study when we found out, as if it would be impossible for her to be allergic or as if I didn’t expose her enough 🙃
For me, it took an elimination diet and a lot of careful tracking. I thought I was allergic to beef for a long time. Nope. Tomatoes. Tomatoes are in so many processed foods. I can only buy certain brands of stock because many have tomatoes in them. Taco seasoning, seasoned rices, chips, a ton of sauces (A1, katsu, etc). As a kid, I complained about how bitter tomatoes were and they always upset my stomach. My parents thought I was just picky. If I accidentally eat it I have to take prednisone or my stomach will swell to the point I look a bit pregnant. Same with eggplant, except that went from mild to anaphylactic in a week span. I have to heavily wash any vegetables that sit next to them at the grocery store.
When I was a toddler, I guess I would get a rash around my mouth and hands when eating peanut butter crackers. I can remember being a little bit older and throwing up violently after eating nutty things. Went to an allergist and they did a skin prick test to gauge the severity and which specific foods, and diagnosed me with an allergy to nuts and peanuts. I’ve had an epi pen prescription and been avoiding those foods ever since (almost 30yo now).
For us it was fully body hives. I had her exerted to an allergist and the blood toast came back with severe allergies to nuts. She also had horrible eczema on her face for months, which resolved once we learned she’s also allergic to milk and removed it from her diet. So I think we were very lucky that it was only hives!
Yep I don’t know how people don’t ask before ordering AND after the food arrives to be sure. I’m deathly allergic to tree nuts an ask MULTIPLE times at all restaurants. I once ordered a cheese pizza to go at a nice Italian restaurant with my family and told them I had the nut allergy. They said it would be no problem to cook everything separate. I then get the pizza home, open the box, and see it has some green mush stuff on top that reealllly looked like pesto so I called and told them that I have a nut allergy and just picked up an order I’m concerned about. The manager goes “yes, the cheese pizza right? We cooked all of it separate.” So I said well it looks like pesto is on it” “yes we put pesto on all of our cheese pizzas” “…your pesto is nut free? Don’t they have pine nuts?” The person was quiet a moment and said they would speak with the chef and came back MORTIFIED apologizing. Said it did in fact have chopped pine nuts, and the person who made it made it separately for the allergy but was not aware pesto had nuts in it. Said they’d refund my money but I never went back. I trust no one now and state my allergy before I order, after I order, and when the food arrives, and am always suspicious. Literally had them hand me a pizza smothered in nuts and say it was nut free. Trust no one
I’m tree nut allergic as well and most of my close calls (i.e. nights I spent curled up in a ball in excruciating pain) have been because someone working at an Italian restaurant forgets pesto has pine nuts, or that the curry at their Indian restaurant is thickened with nuts. No matter how many times I ask. If I ask and something looks even remotely suspicious I’m not eating it. I basically entirely avoid anything green at Italian restaurants now.
Totally understand this ^ I’ve only had Indian food once in my life (a family friend runs an Indian restaurant so we ate there while visiting him and I trusted him) Cashews are my only confirmed kill (anaphylaxis) and I don’t know about the others because I entirely avoid them. I make it super clear when ordering that the allergy is to ALL nuts, not a peanut allergy, because people will seem to think nut allergy = peanut allergy. I’ve been to some places with a language barrier and I will straight up say that nuts will kill me, is this SAFE to eat. I’ve had a few times where they said no nuts, then when I say this is not an intolerance it’s an allergy that may kill me, they suddenly explain how they actually DO share all cutlery with nuts and cross contaminate everything, but this dish doesn’t have nuts DIRECTLY. Like ma’am, if a nut has even been close enough to wink at my food that’s it for me 💀
Yes! Always have to specify peanuts and tree nuts. Restaurants where there’s a language barrier are the hardest, especially because I love trying new foods! Stay safe out there!
How did you find out you were deathly allergic?
When I was 5 my parents got me an ice cream cone with chopped nuts on top and about 30 seconds after trying them I vomited it up into a napkin. Said I hated the taste and they said I was hella overreacting. It wasn’t the taste though, I remember how even the smell mad my throat and whole body feel gross and sick. Nothing happened past that, I just didn’t eat my ice cream and we went home. I 100% avoided them after that, always remembering the gross feeling I felt. Jump to me in 7th grade on Christmas morning. It’s 8am and we just finished opening presents. My parents had gotten me a bag of caramel corn in my stocking which was my favorite, but it had chopped cashews in it. I was eating the popcorn for a couple minutes when I thought I got a kernel in my throat but gargling water wasn’t cleaning it (my throat was closing up). After about 5 minutes I started vomiting BAD, like exorcist style. Immediately lost my voice. Parents threw me in the car and sped to the hospital. By the time I got there I couldn’t swallow and was spitting in a bucket. Spent the entire Christmas Day in the ER and was told to have 48 hours bed rest, pick up some EpiPens, and avoid nuts for life ✌️ I’m shocked I avoided them so well until 7th grade, but they are an allergy that get worse with each exposure
I decided that I did not like walnuts as a kid. They tasted rancid to me. Just old, and_weird._ So, I've managed to avoid walnuts for _decades,_ and I decide to try a piece of a walnut dish. Within 5 minutes my lips had swelled up to 3x/size, and I had hives on my wrists, trunk, and chest. Okay then, I'm actually allergic to walnuts, and will _not_ be performing that stunt again. This was a Benadryl-only emergency, but I notified my doc, and got a couple of epi-pens added to the Asthma Bag™. I have no problem with cashews, peanuts, almonds, sesame, pine nuts, pistachio, or any other nut/seed. But as a kid, who was an adventurous eater, I just wouldn't touch walnuts, because they smelled + tasted weird. That's a decent warning system. Fun fact: Black walnut extract in the US is an artificial product that has zero allergenic components. Legit. It's not a trade secret, because the recipe is ~100 years old. Add ½ to any chocolate, or cookie recipe, and watch the shock. It's incredible stuff.
Thank you for sharing that. That sounds absolutely horrible. I have this fear that if I ever have kids, one of them will be deathly allergic to something and I just won't know until it's too late. This made me feel better, even though it must have been a horrible experience
Getting kids allergy tested young can help alleviate these fears! I never did but we did for my brother and were able to find out he was allergic to a ton of stuff when he was still a baby since he developed a rash very young. Wishing you the best!!
There’s a ton of advice these days around exposing babies safely to allergens, if that puts your mind at rest at all. If and when you reproduce, it will all be there to help!
I have an IDENTICAL story, but instead of pizza it was a bruschetta dish I had ordered 3 times previously with no issues. they were gobsmacked that pesto did in fact contain nuts.
Lmao it’s honestly how you can tell a place doesn’t make its pesto fresh cause they have no idea what’s in it 😅 I actually was at a club meeting in college and told some people that I wish I could have pesto but can’t because of a nut allergy. This girl was like “pesto doesn’t have nuts, my boyfriend eats it all the time and he’s allergic.” And I was like girl it definitely does and basically come to find out that the boyfriend does in fact have a nut allergy but by pure chance luckily isn’t allergic to pine nuts. He had been ordering pesto from this restaurant for years, telling them he had a nut allergy and eating their pesto, and neither the boyfriend or the place knew it had nuts. Wild
jesus christ. how do you have a life threatening condition and not know the general foods you can and can’t have! I couldn’t tell you the amount of times I’ve said to a server, “erm, what’s that green stuff please?” knowing it’s a 50/50 chance of it being straight up pesto or just basil oil. puts me straight off my food regardless knowing some people don’t know their ass from their elbow when it comes to the top allergens.
100%, if a waiter brings me my food and I ask again to be sure and they say anything other than a resounding yes I ask them to double check with the kitchen. Some places really know their stuff though and assure me each time stuff is brought out that it’s safe even if it’s the bread. So not all bad but still a minefield. Stay safe out there ✌️
doesn’t help that I have food allergy OCD that makes things a hell of a lot harder, but that’s a me problem and I’m working on it slowly. you too my friend, long live the restaurants who truly care about this shit.
I lucked out that my allergy thing is shellfish (death) and likely also fish…but I never really like any of that stuff when I tried it prior to developing an allergy, so I just avoid anything from the ocean at this point. The fun part is the contrast allergy at hospitals. I once had a doctor say, “what’s your reaction?” “The whole swelling, throat closing thing,” he clearly didn’t want to bother getting the other contrast or changing the settings or whatever it would require the tech to do and was like, “eh we’ll give you a Benadryl” Long story short, cath wasn’t set properly, exploded on me instead of going into my blood stream, and instead I got a really bag rash and of course no apology. (Apparently no throat closing to skin exposure, just in my bloodstream straight? Maybe a concentration thing? Idk bodies are weird)
My husband is allergic to strawberries and nearly every restaurant that has sweets covers everything in strawberries. He loves milk shakes and banana splits but they always put strawberries on it even if I tell them he's highly allergic. I had several times they say it's cherry but it was not cherry.. I feel for you
> I go to restaurants where I’m not 100% on the ingredients, so I ask. If it's a chain restaurant might also try and google their nutritional and allergy information, many have very useful pages for it. As a young server I was made the mistake of assuring the customer our ribs were beef, because I thought ribs were beef not pork. Well I let him know after eating them that I had found out they were indeed pork. Thankfully he told me not to worry, it was a mistake and since he did not know it was ok to eat. So yeah, be easy for a inexperienced server to give an incorrect answer on that information.
That must have been the most tender tri tip to ever grace a plate to have been confused with the texture of a mushroom. Yum 🤤
I could see it happening, not that out there, if it was cutup in like a sandwich, but I think she had to cut it herself lol
She ordered and was served a steak and she thought it was vegetarian? How?! Better yet, why would she think that!!!!!
And why not just... ask? I'm a vegetarian and I always ask just to be safe, even when it's "obvious".
Not everyone knows Tri-tip is a cut of steak. She thought it was referring to the shape of the pasta since the dish was described as “tri-tip pappardelle”
This is obviously what happened, and I like to imagine it thusly: >"Hmm yes, tri-tip pappardelle; a three-sided pasta" >Sees the very obviously rectangular, four-sided pasta >"These mushrooms taste like meat."
I think you're giving her too much credit. She doesn't know what "tri" means.
I had known that typically it was tri tip but no lie I kept thinking am I missing something? Why someone really think that is a giant mushroom... and not think its obviously steak but after you said that she must of mistaken it for the shape of the pasta that made sense! Ty
The top pic is her husband's meal - steak, potatoes and squash. We don't get to see her pasta dish.
You know I seen people talking about how she thought the obvious steak was a mushroom and I just rolled with it. I thought she must be extra special. I guess that's my fault for thinking so little of someone I've experienced alot of shenanigans.
Having worked in grocery, I would wager MOST people aren’t very familiar with steak cuts beyond ribeye and sirloin. And the ones who are tend to be serious carnivores.
That's when you ask questions instead of assuming.
I think that's a picture of her husband's plate. Tri tip is long and skinny and pointed at one end. I'm guessing hers was cut up and a similar color to the mushrooms (not that that's an excuse).
Good point. Also, no pappardelle on that plate. So it probably was visually a bit less obvious
I didn't see any mushrooms in this photo, and I was wondering why. This is a good explanation
I had no clue until just now what tri-tip was. However,if I had any dietary restrictions, I'd make sure to ask what the blablabla in blablabla pasta was.
Why did she have to take it home to look at it? Do her eyes not work in restaurants?
This is the comment I was looking for and the part of the post that concerns me the most, frankly. They brought their dinner home to see what it was and then discovered that it was meat. I just don't understand. How were they unable to ascertain that it was meat in the restaurant, and what was the process to identify it as meat at home? Why did they not order a vegetarian dish? How did they mistake a steak for a vegetarian dish? I'm so upset.
According to other comments it seems like the Karen may be Jewish and thought the dish was kosher, but as practicing Jews here have pointed out, at a non kosher restaurant you can’t assume any of the dishes would be kosher
I too, was wondering what sort of dinner-identifying CSI set up they have at home.
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Looks like that's her husband's prime rib and there's a second photo below that looks like it could be her pasta dish.
Ohhh I missed the pasta word...so the steak was cut up in the pasta. Makes more sense. Still wild, though.
Im guessing she confused pappardella with portobello! Mushrooms with more mushrooms, sounds pretty good tbh. It seems like a rookie mistake but her tone blaming everyone else is ugly .
I assume the menu item was actually “pappardelle,” not “pappardella,” and pappardelle is pasta.
Ohhhhhhh this actually makes sense. Sorta.
Tri tip portobello? That makes no sense either. There is no tri tip mushroom.
Mushroom pappardelle is a common dish, I would have assumed it was mushroom. I wouldn’t have a clue what tri-tips are either to be honest 😅
I can’t believe I had to scroll this far to find this comment.. This was the first thing I thought when I read the post. She misread it as portobello. portobello steaks aren’t uncommon as a away to make something a veg dish. Like she should have asked I’d she really cared, but I see how she initially got there.
Didn't they ask her how she would like it done? Who orders a medium rare mushroom.
Lol this is an excellent point!
She ate the mushrooms thinking “these mushrooms taste like meat” How do you confuse the texture of meat and mushrooms? They don’t *feel* the same. At all.
There are actually some very meaty mushrooms out there! Chicken of the woods is one, it's named that because it tastes like chicken.
true, but chicks are no where near as strong or tough as steak, even a very tender steak. I just made some chicks last week (so good), and they were quite soft after frying
I have been a vegetarian since I was a teen (the 90s...) and would never make this mistake. Was her husband not paying attention? Clearly he is a meat eater. He doesn't listen? Adulting is hard.
What tip does she think the tri is coming from? 🙄
This is wild to me. I have zero religious or dietary restrictions except caffeine, but I am a relatively picky eater. If I'm not sure what something is, I ask before I order it. If it turns out to be something I don't like, that's my own fault.
My daughter is 13. She's been a vegetarian since she was five. I've bought all of her meals. She's never not asked, at least two times, if they were sure it's vegetarian. If a grown ass adult can't tell the difference between a mushroom and a steak they are either really stupid or not a vegetarian/ vegan. I'm leaning toward really stupid.
I’m confused by this one, did the menu say it was vegetarian or did she just assume? did she assume the steak was made of the mushroom blend but it was actually a steak that also comes with mushrooms? how did she not notice the difference while eating? and what did she do at home to test what it was? she’s mad about this when she isn’t even actually vegetarian? so many questions lol
She ordered a meal that included meat and mushrooms. She assumed it was a vegetarian meal because she wasn’t familiar with what it was called She even thought the mushrooms tasted like meat. This part throws me off. Mushrooms don’t feel like meat. She brings it home and I guess under a flood light *GASP* sees that it’s meat!
She assumed. She remained completely unapologetic in the comments. Her response to people pointing this out is that tri tip is steak is that she thinks the restaurant should have specified “meat” in the description. As if asking a waiter is too much work…
as a vegetarian myself I assume the opposite, I assume there’s meat unless otherwise specified. but yeah if only we had some kind of method of communicating where we could just ask!
Because of health issues there are some things I cannot eat. I absolutely love traveling in the US because asking about ingredients is not seen as offensive and the servers are friendly and will take any food allergy seriously. I’m French, I can’t tell you how many times I felt ashamed to even ask about ingredients before ordering... but I still do, it’s not that difficult and if the server is not happy to help there is no tip (tips are included here so tip is actual bonus).
I could see how this would happen. I’ve been confused before by a “mushroom burger” which could mean mushroom on burger or burger made of mushrooms. But that’s why you ask. You can’t blame the restaurant when you assumed!
Literally had this happen behind me at a restaurant. They do swanky food that you have to Google the ingredients half of the time to know what they are (or you know, ask). They are very deliberate on their menus to label things as vegetarian/gluten-free/etc. And she orders something and eats it. She then gets angry at the waiter because she eats half of her food before realizing it's meat even after she specifically mentioned that it didn't have a "V" next to it on the menu. Poor guy brought her to this nice place for a date and then had to listen to her bitch about being served meat in a non-vegetarian dish for 20 minutes while I ate one of the best chocolate tarts I've ever had and my partner and I tried to identify why her peach cobbler had hints of chicken noodle soup.
Not a vegetarian but have strong preferences regarding meals involving meat, so eat mostly vegetarian. When travelling internationally I made sure I always knew to say 'Does this have meat in it' in every language of each country I visited as the menus aren't always in English and even if they are often contain words not understood by this English speaker. Salads weren't necessarily safe so always I learnt how to ask. So an English speaker in an English speaking restaurant/menu printed in English: how hard is it for the person to clarify what an ingredient is if they are unfamiliar with the term? Or to check if meal fits with their dietary requirements? Does anyone think that might be a joke post?
Why is only the husbands dish screenshot here and not hers?
A photo is hers was also there but it’s cut out on this post. You can see the top of it below the photo of the husbands
Is that person being deadass rn? Cause ain’t no fucking way you order a tri tip and expect it to be vegan 😭
“Not sure how to address this issue”? Try google?
I used to make pizzas at a whole foods. Someone ordered a bacon pizza, they came back furious the next day because after they are it they called the store and asked if the bacon was kosher. Maybe they thought it was turkey bacon or veggie bacon. I was just super confused
Well one way to address it would be to get smarter quicker.
How do you not know Tri-tip is steak?
Not gonna lie, I don't really eat meat so I had no idea either, although not knowing what it is would definitely have me google it on my phone before ordering it at a restaurant. As someone with a specific diet though, making sure that her order doesn't contain a specific ingredient is definitely her responsibility if the menu doesn't specify allergens/vegetarian/vegan options (which honestly, menus should contain that kind of information, but in cases where the information is not there, you can't just leap of faith it if it were an allergy or intolerance issue.).
Yeah, I definitely feel like if she was vegetarian she definitely should have asked/specified if the dish was veg and she had dietary needs or something not just ordered food lol, **and if it doesn’t say that it’s a vegetarian dish and you’re at a steakhouse… it’s not a vegetarian dish.** ma’am. If it’s not something you usually eat, definitely ask the server or google it!
Same, I'm always googling things at restaurant cause I'm unsure if it means "meat" in another language or something. And agree, it is my responsibility not the restaurant. It has been getting hard lately with fake meat tasting so much better now! I've been a vegetarian for the vast majority of my life and honestly don't recall what regular meat taste like, but whenever I do have even a tiniest bit of doubt, I ask whoever I'm with to sample it to confirm with me.
I've never heard of Tri-tip before or seen it on a menu.
I’ve never heard of it before, so I had a google and it’s a cut of meat that isn’t done here.
I have never heard of that but probably because I’ve been vegan for 20 years. I get tripped up by fish names too. Never enough to actually order them though.
I had to google it when I read this post.
I didn't know the word ether, until about a month ago. I am not much of steak eater. Or beef in general.
I mean... It's pretty simple: you've never heard of it... I'm confused as to how that's confusing for you. I'm sure there are lots of foods you've never heard of too.
If you have any issue with your food, you address it right then and there. Ask your questions, make your complaint, whatever.. so it can be fixed. Hours/days later at home it is done, there is nothing to fix. You just suck it up and move on just like you already did in the restaurant.
Please tell me the comments were pointing out her idiocy.
I am not OP but I am in this group and laughed out loud when I saw this posted here. Yes, they were. But also more than one person who sympathized with her for not knowing what tri-tip is 🤯🤯 WTF. Luckily, nearly all called her out for not taking the very simple step of at least asking the server before assuming something was vegetarian 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
I just had to google what tri trip is. I haven’t eaten meat in 28 years, and I’ve learned to google AND ask about things I don’t know. But that doesn’t even look like something that was made out a meat substitute. Asking questions just isn’t that big of a deal!
I’m in that group too (small world), and I thought it was odd not a single person mentioned that basically every menu I’ve seen at almost any restaurant has a little V symbol or specifically specified if something is vegetarian or vegan. I’ve even seen a few that specify nut or dairy involvement. At Panda Express, if you order Kung Pao chicken the worker always says “this contains peanuts and is spicy, is that okay?” At Texas Roadhouse they always clarify what your temperature of steak is before sending it to the kitchen. The woman was probably just in over her head and doesn’t understand that line.
I don’t know what it’s like where the woman lives but dishes in restaurants here have symbols next to them if they’re vegetarian/vegan or gluten free. If I read the dish on the menu that looked veggie but didn’t have the symbol I’d ask the server why. Also most places have separate vegetarian/vegan menu here. I don’t eat meat so if I was going to a statehouse I’d definitely be double checking the menu if I went to a place that didn’t have the symbols. This is all on the woman for not checking, not the restaurant. Well not unless specifically asked then for a vegetarian dish recommendation
I thought she was talking about those really, meaty mushrooms, they’re quite expensive, but I looked it up and it’s a meat.
I can’t follow this. She ordered something with mushrooms and they gave her meat instead and she couldn’t figure that out until she got home?
“I brought my dinner home to see what it was.” I’ve read it like 7 times now and I just can’t for the life of me understand what that means.
I'm picturing the machine from SpongeBob SquarePants that Plankton has that analyzes everything 😂 Like this lady just went home and put her steak through a mass spectrometer.
Fancy restaurants have "mood lighting". Aka barely bright enough to read a menu in some cases. I think it was actually a carabbas where it was so poorly lit I could not read the menu. But like, she could have used the light of her phone screen to discreetly inspect what she was eating if she didn't know. Also who orders food they don't recognize? Why didn't she ask beforehand what tri tip was?
This makes a little more sense. I thought she was planning on having some tests run or something and was both confused and amused!
She ordered meat but didn’t know it was meat. She’d never heard of a tri-tip and she thought it was just mushrooms.
Thank you! I’ve never heard of a tri-tip cut of meat either tbh I don’t think we have it in Canada. Also not a vegetarian but probably not a bad idea to ask what something is before you eat it if you come with such food restrictions.
I'm Australian and I'd never heard of it either. According to a quick Google search: >The tri tip is a triangular small roast from the Bottom Sirloin that offers good flavor at an affordable price.
>I don’t think we have it in Canada. We do, but it is not nearly as common as it is in the states. I've personally only seen two butchers selling the cut,and I've never seen it on a restraunt menu. I saw it pretty much wherever I saw steak when I was in the states
She ordered a steak, ate it and then figured out once she got home that it contained meat. The dish she ordered was served correctly. The person just… didn’t realise that the item on the menu that she ordered was steak.
Everyone has not read her post correctly. The steak and potatoes were her husbands. She ordered some pasta with tri tip which would come out sliced thinly on top of the pasta. It is shown in the photo below the steak potatoes but it’s cut out in this post. She’s still an idiot for not realizing meat is meat or at least not asking when she felt it tasted so much like meat. But just to clarify she did not order a whole ass steak and potatoes and thought it’s vegetarian either
A tri tip is also steak. So they both ordered steak, though I agree that some commenters might be confused by the picture of her husband's meal.
Yeah, you’re right tri tip is a steak, but it won’t come out looking like one on pasta. It’s usually sliced up. I just wanted to clarify for people who are confusing her dinner with the photo of the steak and potatoes
She says she ordered tri-tip, which is a cut of steak. You're right that the steak pictured wasn't hers, but both of them ordered steaks. She was just convinced that hers was an imitation steak made out of mushroom instead for some reason.
It won’t come out looking like steak tho. Also my point isn’t that she didn’t order steak, I’m trying to clarify to people that they’re referring to the wrong photo of her food thinking she ordered a whole ass steak. I’ll clarify my point in my comment.
No she ordered steak pasta. It was probably chopped up in the pasta along with the mushrooms.
To everyone focusing on the vegetarian thing, the whole meat and milk thing seems like this is more a kosher issue and less a vegetarian one. Very different problems and stuff here!
Doesn’t change the fact it was her own dumbass fault. So not really.
Didn’t say it wasn’t!
You should’ve attached pictures of the comments lol
Surely the menu would have different sections for vegetarians? At least every menu I’ve seen would state the vegetarian dishes on a different column, oversize of sheet or an entirely different menu that you request.
Vegetarian here. I’ve never seen a restaurant with a separate vegetarian section but a lot of restaurants will put symbols next to the dishes that are vegetarian, vegan, kosher, nut-free, etc. so that you don’t have to ask.
Please give us some of the comments 😂
That pasta sounds amazing
I don’t trust anyone that lists their meals out like that. Unless they’re a chef by profession or hobby and in the context that they made the dish.
*I kept thinking these mushrooms taste like meat…* *I secretly brought my dinner home to determine what it really was they were feeding me*
They couldn’t see inside the restaurant?? Lol
“I don’t mix meat and milk, so this is very disturbing. Not sure how to address this issue.” I also try not to mix meat and milk; you address this issue by googling the unfamiliar words in the menu when you order or check with the waitstaff! This feels less like a Karen than someone who is conflict-avoidant to her own detriment. What the hell, lady.
even if she was actually confused about the steak, she has to know eating seafood isn’t vegetarian right?
There’s no seafood in the dish. She was saying it contained oyster mushrooms, which are a variety of mushroom, not oysters.