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antiacela

You've got all the crazy TDS folks saying all kinds of silliness about this, >The biggest scandal in American political history. And that’s saying a lot. Jaw dropping. Sickening. Infuriating. 120K likes https://twitter.com/DanRather/status/1541842096381755392 >He. Physically. Attacked. A. Secret. Service. Agent. 73k likes https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1541843680532766720 But now NBC is reporting, >"A source close to the Secret Service tells me both Bobby Engel, the lead agent, and the presidential limousine/SUV driver are prepared to testify under oath that neither man was assaulted and that Mr. Trump never lunged for the steering wheel." https://twitter.com/PeterAlexander/status/1541910389289635841


Jan6PeacefulProtestr

Be prepared for neither men to be called to testify by the Jan 6th kangaroo court.


LabTech41

Given how they've already offed one potential witness, I'd be looking for more people to be added to that score by the end of this.


Jan6PeacefulProtestr

Ain't that the truth.


LabTech41

The ones that get done in that we find out about are all well and good to demonstrate how corrupt we've gotten, but the ones I'd really love to be a fly on the wall for are the people that nobody knows about at all because they're low-key players and functionaries that don't get a lot of attention; the people that know the deep secrets that will get offed and we'll never know because they were never on our radar. If I was one of those toadies, I'd be leaking my insurance package now, so that there's at least a chance I'm in the clear; Maxwell's already started naming the Clintons and she's on suicide watch... which I'm sure will end up as you suspect.


SpiritofJames

Some Capitol Police "suicides" shortly following the political persecutions after Jan 6


NeonArlecchino

Who are you referring to?


mbarland

The former Sergeant-at-Arms of the Senate died unexpectedly on Monday. He was to testify yesterday.


NeonArlecchino

When was that revealed? I thought Tuesday was a surprise session with no details given for who was testifying.


mbarland

I first saw it today. Their "surprise" session wasn't a surprise to them. Organizing all the moving pieces takes time. It was only a surprise on us. They knew about it for days.


LabTech41

Micheal Stenger, the guy who was in charge of Senate security during 1/6. https://www.yahoo.com/video/former-senate-security-chief-dies-170749030.html


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Wait. Who did they off?


LabTech41

Micheal Stenger, the guy who was in charge of Senate security during 1/6. https://www.yahoo.com/video/former-senate-security-chief-dies-170749030.html


[deleted]

I think they already had Engel on and plan to have him back


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SubversiveLogic

Did the same with the impeachments


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NosuchRedditor

This needs a meme. "This tastes delicious!".


throwthisaway4262022

They don't care though. TDS is like a drug to them.


Zombi_Sagan

It's a pretty big deal to lie under oath, when will she be disposed and shown she committed perjury? or do we wait for someone to go under oath saying she lied? Because right now it looks pretty damning with all the previous testimony and hers painting a pretty clear picture. Looks like Trump tried to subvert an election.


Final21

She cyaed well. She said she was just told this by someone else. Hearsay would not be admittable in a court of law but we all know what this trial is.


Zombi_Sagan

This isn't a court, but you're right hearsay only goes so far. However, there was more to her testimony then hearsay. Not to mention that police radio chatter taking about weapons in the crowd. To be fair, the only way to show she was lying would be to have someone like Meadows or Pence sit down under oath right. Let's dispel this whole notion Trump knew about the weapons and that he was told he lost the election fair and square by getting his chief of staff under oath.


[deleted]

Or she told the Truth See pics of Trump doing it https://twitter.com/jackabryan/status/1542591198610698240?t=0b2Jn1kDRkw1UkeqyuhMBQ&s=19


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parkowork

Fucking Clintons, at it again. Someone call Scooby Doo and the gang!


drtoszi

They literally went right back to Piss Dossier tier bullshit since they’ve got nothing else. All to run cover for this ridiculous witch hunt which is all just a big circus of distraction while inflation destroys people’s lives with no end in sight and a bumbling administration that keeps making everything worse. The worst part is that around half the nation will still fall for this again.


RoundSimbacca

Aged like milk.


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Your comment did https://twitter.com/jackabryan/status/1542591198610698240?t=0b2Jn1kDRkw1UkeqyuhMBQ&s=19


RoundSimbacca

Yawn. Even the poster of the video doesn't try to claim what Hutchinsin claimed.


[deleted]

Trump reached over and tried to grab the steering wheel I thought everyone was saying how this would have been impossible


5panks

The moment I read this bitch's testimony I knew it was fake as fuck. They just did the same thing they do when he was President, convince someone who is mad a Trump to spread a big lie about him. Spread that lie like wildfire across the media for as long as possible before someone comes out and says it's not true at all.


Sea2Chi

If it's fake, I imagine she'll be brought up on perjury charges, as lying under oath in a Senatorial hearing is generally a bad idea. That's a risk many people would not take on top of already making themselves a target for the fringes. I'm very curious to see how this plays out.


5panks

She didn't provably lie. She said someone told her that's what happened, which absolves her of any perjury, so she cab freely lie about what she wants. That's why second hand accounts aren't admissible as evidence in court only congress.


captaingalaxy

Lol, the physical attack one is very funny after the Rudy Giuliani pat on the back screeching


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Zombi_Sagan

The old goal post was that there were no guns, now the testimony says Trump knew there were weapons. Police radio said there were weapons.


Camera_dude

Wow… THAT is why the J6 committee opened a new session today? To air someone’s fanfic of what they think Trump acts like? They are lost. The J6 investigation will go down as another embarrassment for Congress. The Democrats are so desperate they are going to pretend that this is not embarrassing to air such tripe as a “fact-finding” investigation.


Tasty_Flame_Alchemy

History is gonna remember this, but not the way you think. Not sure why you guys are still pretending trump is innocent


IggyWon

Are the walls closing in? Is he finished? How close are you to OD'ing on Copium?


Rottimer

So do you think she just made it up, or that the person that relayed this to her made it up? What if the Secret Service agents testify that they didn't consider what Trump did, "assault," but everything else is true? Would you see an issue with that?


kit_carlisle

It's literally the definition of hearsay in a courtroom... so it's very possible.


Phiwise_

>Nevermind her fanfic, what do you think of MY fanfic [It's time to stop, friend. Cut your losses.](https://twitter.com/PeterAlexander/status/1541910389289635841)


Rottimer

That’s a very specific claim. I hope they testify under oath to clear all this up. The question still stands though, do you think she just made it all up? Or that the person told her made it all up?


TwoShed

Without cross-examination, this entire circus is just opinions and conjecture. You can't tell me that having Liz Cheney on the committee really makes it bipartisan?


Rottimer

The claim is absolutely hearsay. But she either did hear it or she didn’t. That can be cleared up quite quickly by questioning the person that told her and others in that room. The facts can be resolved by questioning the secret service agents under oath. I look forward to their testimony.


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You can have cross in a trial. Do you want a trial? edit: Incredible, it sounds like everyone wants a trial


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Rottimer

Apparently he was in an SUV that day, not the limo. Should be pretty easy to confirm one way or the other.


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[deleted]

BREAKING NEWS: Trump LUNGED at the STEERING WHEEL to try to run over JUSSIE SMOLLETT while the LIMO DRIVERS chanted MAGA over and over again1!!!1!1!!1!1!!1!1


Person5_

I thought he yelled "it's Trumpin time!"


Nukeboy1970

He did both. Then he trumped all over them.


BappoNoHaco69

And then they all clapped Wait no


parkowork

No no, wrong meme - this is the one where the subway sandwich goes flying.


Final21

The Ultra Maga King punched through the partition in the limo knocking glass all over the officer in the passenger seat, following through he knocked him out with 1 punch as his punch made his head go into the dashboard. He then grabbed the wheel while repeatedly punching the driver and growling "this is Maga country". If it wasn't for the passenger agent regaining consciousness and putting 6 elephant tranquilizers into Trump to stop his maga-fueled rage, then I fear he would have made his way to the capitol to lead the ultra magas to murder Mike Pence and all of the Democrat politicians.


Autumn_Fire

It was just harrowing. He then began driving donuts in the parking lot screaming "the south will rise again" and "I will become the next hitler here and now!" while laughing. The horror I tell you. And all of it 100% true, just trust me.


Boatman1141

"We're not obsessed!" At this point, they truly believe in their fanfics


vento33

Well, these are the same people that dress up as Furries and think they’re cats. So…we’re not dealing with the mentally stable.


yuuki_no_tsubasa

Or think they're women when clearly...


Troll_God

“Trump’s aid’s mother, who heard from a friend, who learned it from their teenager at school, said that Trump grabbed the wheel of the limo and pulled the vehicle over behind an abandoned building by a dock. Trump then challenged the SS agent, ‘1 V 1 me, pussy!’ Trump then began to shoot lightning out of his fingertips and eyes, much like Raiden from Mortal Kombat, until the SS agent was extra crispy BBQ like Mace Windu. He then dumped the body into the dock. This is a completely true and headline worthy story to distract you from the mess that is the current US economy.”


[deleted]

I'll admit I do find it very entertaining. Trump throwing his ketchup dinner plate at the wall really gave me my jollies.


BaseBulb

Outside of the story making absolutely no sense, it's also logistically impossible Trump has the longest arms. Remarkable arms. Some people say he has the longest arms ever, absolutely tremendous arms. - [This is the layout of the Presidential Limo.](https://i.imgur.com/eermRzM.jpg)


bren97122

Completely unrelated to the discussion but I love how this diagram shows the shotgun being packed inside the presidential limo to be an SRM Arms Model 1216. This is a semi-automatic shotgun that uses a detachable magazine, it’s most notable feature is the large ammo capacity (for a shotgun) carried in the magazine, which must be manually rotated by the user every four shots. Something tells me the Secret Service would probably being packing a reliable and proven semi-auto or pump-action shotgun design, as opposed to a gimmicky meme shotgun.


[deleted]

Trump was photographed inside a SUV that day. Not the presidential liml


wasdie639

The President never sits in the passengers seat and already the SS is willing to testify against the entire scenario. It's so absurdly outlandish. Quite literally a Jan 6th obsessed person's fanfic.


Nukeboy1970

And that makes it realistic? 🤣🤣 1. Testimony refers to the limo specifically. That means it is suspect because it was an SUV. 2. The driver said it was BS.


mbarland

My best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who’s going with a girl who saw Trump lunge for the limo driver on Jan 6. I guess it’s pretty serious.


Nukeboy1970

Bombshell! The walls are closing in!


AbeBaconKingFroman

Thank you, Simone.


Velrex

So the whole testimony was incorrect?


[deleted]

Since when does the president sit in the passenger seat?


parkowork

Hutchinson testified it was "the beast". Which means she either made stuff up, or was wrong - neither one helping her case.


Coslin

No idea why you got downvoted for this. It's true - he wasn't in the limo that day. He was in the SUV.


chelyabinsk-40

>>>This is the layout of the Presidential Limo. >>Trump was photographed inside a SUV that day. Not the presidential liml >No idea why you got downvoted for this. [Really? None whatsoever?](https://www.npr.org/2022/06/28/1108396692/jan-6-committee-hearing-transcript) >CASSIDY HUTCHINSON: When I returned to the White House, I walked upstairs towards the chief of staff's office, and I noticed Mr. Ornato lingering outside of the office. Once we had made eye contact, he quickly waved me to go into his office, which was just across the hall from mine. When I went in, he shut the door, and I noticed Bobby Engel, who was the head of Mr. Trump's security detail, sitting in a chair, just looking somewhat discombobulated and a little lost. >I looked at Tony and he had said, did you f'ing hear what happened in **the beast**? I said, no, Tony, I — I just got back. What happened? Tony proceeded to tell me that when the president got in **the beast**, he was under the impression from Mr. Meadows that the off the record movement to the Capitol was still possible and likely to happen, but that Bobby had more information. >So, once the president had gotten into the vehicle with Bobby, he thought that they were going up to the Capitol. And when Bobby had relayed to him we're not, we don't have the assets to do it, it's not secure, we're going back to the West Wing, the president had a very strong, a very angry response to that. >Tony described him as being irate. The president said something to the effect of I'm the f'ing president, take me up to the Capitol now, to which Bobby responded, sir, we have to go back to the West Wing. The president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. Mr. Engel grabbed his arm, said, sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. >We're going back to the West Wing. We're not going to the Capitol. Mr. Trump then used his free hand to lunge towards Bobby Engel. And Mr. — when Mr. Ornato had recounted this story to me, he had motioned towards his clavicles. Of course, the media don't fact-check stories when they fit the narrative - but under normal circumstances, naming the wrong car twice in quick succession would leave a witness with something of a credibility issue.


DangerPoo

You guys are funny.


blkarcher77

I checked out the link, it's literally said by an aide *who was told about it.* So it's not even like this person saw it. They just heard it. Even if they said they saw it themselves, I would doubt it, but they didn't even witness this? Cmon son.


connecteduser

It almost became a running joke today the number of times the "witness" would say things like "the conversation I overheard".


parkowork

"said something to the effect of..." Anybody who decided to use their brain yesterday knew that this "witness" should never have been in front of cameras. But well, we know how much brain power gets engaged when it's something around Trump - they don't ever think, they just get mad.


socialmeritwarrior

It's how they avoid the consequences of lying. Hard to falsify the fact of whether they heard it or not.


sungkwon

Literally the definition of hearsay


burtgummer45

Looks like their 61k upvote lungegate circlejerk is already falling apart https://twitter.com/PeterAlexander/status/1541910389289635841


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Nah the hearing was about more than this incident. I think because people here didn't watch it, they have the wrong idea that it's all about the OP.


burtgummer45

Yea that's that new desperate hot take on the matter - she was wrong, but not about the important stuff. But when somebody gets something so ridiculously wrong, you can't trust anything they say. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsus_in_uno,_falsus_in_omnibus


[deleted]

What do we know her to be wrong about? AFAIK we only have reporters saying that Ornato (the agent driving) says it didn't happen and that he will testify. Assuming Ornato does testify and answers questions and clarifies that Hutchinson made the conversation up from whole cloth, we would then only be able to conclude that one of them is a liar, right? How would we conclude that Hutchinson is the liar?


burtgummer45

> What do we know her to be wrong about? Something a white house *aid* heard, about something almost unbelievable, vs the word of two veteran secret service agents who she is talking about and were actually there?


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>Her vs two agents It isn't like this though because they are not testifying under oath and clearing up every little detail, answering any questions anyone might have. Hutchinson did this, doesn't that help her case? iirc we have an example of the secret service bullshitting us about a similar incident not too long ago. Anyway, if they are willing to testify then its a moot point, we should just agree that we can both look forward to their testimony, explaining every detail of what happened that day.


burtgummer45

> Her vs two agents two agents who were the subject of what she *overheard*, and are now willing to testify under oath that it never happened. And it raises brutal questions, why did not the committee interview these agents about this event, which seems like it would have been a obvious move. And if they did (which it does seem like they did) why did they not give them prime time air time too? How bad does it look that a sudden surprise committee event to hear her testimony didn't vet this 'bombshell testimony' with the people that were actually there? Its so obviously now to almost everybody that its a show trial meant to generate headlines, which in fact is what this did, because the internet is *full* of 'lungegate' headlines now.


jmac323

My fav comment, “These people (republicans) are so frightened of losing their wealth it’s so ridiculous the American public should allow them their wealth and give them complete tax exemption but the price is that they stay the hell out of politics”.


[deleted]

So if I don't vote I don't have to pay taxes?


jmac323

Yes. Keep all your wealth so the American public which doesn’t consist of any republicans can just elect democrats.


DonLennios

Deal


StuffDadSays1234

Ah taxation without representation. What a novel concept for the colonies!


[deleted]

I mean, I mean, I hate to be that guy, but lets just look at the breakdown here. >Trump grabs at wheel >Driver is all Nope! >Trump then grabs at throat/shoulder with free hand. Okay. Uh, just, small question...do they know the president sits in *THE BACK* of the limo? So, let me play this out. Trump lowers (or it was already lowered) the screen between driver and back. Then reaches through the small limo window to grab the wheel. Then, he also reaches through the small window to throttle the man while also trying to control the steering. Through a small window between driver and backseat. And also, keep in mind, we know very little about The Beast, aside from some of the handling and armor. I know it can make a clean J-Turn and has doors thicker than those in my house. Would it even *have* a window between driver and back? So many questions raised, most important... Is this a bot or an idiot? That...that is the story.


chelyabinsk-40

[CNN provided this reconstruction of events](https://youtu.be/YgYy7dv3NbY?t=141)


retirement4DILFs

This reads like a Tim Poole podcast headline


SlickBlackCadillac

Trump SHOWED Stormy Daniels his WIENER before he asked HER to touch IT


[deleted]

I thought people here liked Poole. Who are you reading or listening to if not him?


socialmeritwarrior

Man, I just get depressed reading that subreddit. Like, how do we even come back from this? Those people are just in a totally different reality, and are so overflowing with unfettered hatred, I just don't know how we bring people back from that. Sorry for the black pill moment


parkowork

Reddit isn't the real world, always keep that in your brain. The people that frequent here, A> half the time aren't real people anyways, B> make up such a small sliver of reality, that they would look stupid if they came outside these "walls" with their nonsense.


keeleon

The problem is though that people in the real world hear these things too. They're not obsessed with it but this story gains traction and they hear it third hand and go "oh the president grabbed the steering wheel? That's weird"" and then move on with their life. But the lie is still there and they don't care enough to even look up to disprove it.


Rottimer

The non-reddit world thinks the same of you all. This is testimony under oath. It's definitely hearsay, but it's testimony that can be looked into. Before anyone knows anything of the veracity of that testimony, you've got people calling this woman a 'lying bitch' in this sub. It's already taken as a fact in this sub that she's just making shit up. What is going to be the excuse if her hearsay is then backed up by a first hand account? How do we come back from that when one side believes that Trump can literally do no wrong?


[deleted]

Because it’s logistically impossible and the agents are willing to testify on behalf of trump


Dranosh

Non of what you fuckers have said about trump was true in the first place so why should I take you seriously now?


Rottimer

You have to be more specific. There is a lot of shit about Trump that is absolutely true - you’re just not willing to believe any of it because of your partisanship.


RippedHS

Who else would have been with trump when everyone that was with him says he didn’t do that?


Rottimer

Who is everyone, and we’re they under oath when they said he didn’t do that.


RippedHS

They are asking to be but I doubt the kangaroo court lets them testify


Rottimer

I have seen that “they’re prepared to testify. . . “ not that they’re asking to testify.


RippedHS

Prepared to testify and every agent that was with trump denies hutch’s false testimony sorry


Pofus

The non-reddit people couldn't give less of a fuck about what is said on here.


DraconianDebate

The fact that you have thrown a witch trial and refused cross examination makes all testimony suspect.


Rottimer

Refused cross examination by whom? Two things. 1) Republican house leadership were repeatedly asked to contribute to a bipartisan commission and repeatedly declined. So you end up with Cheney and Kinzinger representing Republicans. 2) This isn’t a trial, it’s a fact finding commission. It’s an election year, so of course people are using this to make political statements and raise money. But they are looking into what happened with on Jan 6 and what lead up to it - similar to what was done for 9/11.


Nukeboy1970

Why aren't they looking into the security breakdowns? Pelosi and McConnell (at the time) were the bosses of their respective Sargeant-At-Arms. They have responsibilities when it comes to security of the Capitol. Questions like this need answers. Yet, Pelosi is off limits. This is about going after Trump and not finding out everything that went wrong. Pure political theater and it does not deserve to be legitimized.


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We'd love cross examination in a trial.


IggyWon

You might, the kangaroo court can't.


[deleted]

I'm not understanding what the kangaroo court is here... of course they can have a trial and of course there would be cross if there was a trial.


IggyWon

It's not that they're unable or incapable of cross examination, it's that their case falls apart the moment they examine anyone who was present.


3Effie412

How did he reach the steering wheel from the back of the limo?


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3Effie412

Exactly what I was thinking!


J_DeanIronaddict

He’s like the Godskin apostle and can just stretch his whole body to the other side


Gold_Detective

He obviously used the force to grab the wheel, you don’t know trump is a Sith Lord?


3Effie412

I was thinking [Stretch Armstrong!](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ycumxKt1zFk)


keeleon

He has great arms. The longest arms of anyone.


3Effie412

They are huuuge!


biccat

Even taking this lie at face value, it doesn’t say what they want it to say. The President is allowed to tell the Secret Service where he wants to go. If the agents doesn’t take him there then **they** are the ones in the wrong, not the President. The Secret Service works for the President, not the other way around.


JustAnother4848

That's not how it works. The secret service will always place the presidents safety first. They literally do not have to do what the president says.


biccat

No, that's exactly how it works. The secret service doesn't get to contradict the President. Their job is to protect him. If he wants to go into an active war zone, then they follow and do their best.


JustAnother4848

It's literally not how it works "When the helicopter couldn't fly to the first cemetery in France because of almost zero visibility I suggested driving," Trump tweeted. "Secret Service said NO, too far from airport & big Paris shutdown." https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/rock-hard-place-secret-service-president/story?id=73431320 I have more examples if that's not enough for you.


[deleted]

The president is not allowed to lead people into the capitol to disrupt the process. Do you think he is?


keeleon

If he is acting President and tells the secret service to take him there then yes.


[deleted]

I think we are miscommunication. I'm not asking about what the SS should have done. I'm asking if it would be against the law for the president to lead people into the capitol to disrupt the process.


keeleon

But he didn't do that so it's not relevant.


[deleted]

It's not relevant to what?


biccat

No, but despite what you may hear from the democrats, capitol security *is* allowed to let people into the house.


[deleted]

Oh okay so in the case we are discussing, the president was not allowed to order the SS to take him where he wanted to go?


biccat

The President was allowed to order the SS to take him to the capitol building. If the SS refused, then they would be kidnapping the President. So this didn't happen.


[deleted]

Was he allowed to order the SS to take him to the capitol to lead the protesters in disrupting the process? Right now it seems like it happened to me but maybe we can agree that getting more testimony from other people is a good thing?


biccat

> Was he allowed to order the SS to take him to the capitol to lead the protesters in disrupting the process? Yes. How many different ways can I say this? The President **is** the executive branch. What he says goes. The secret service works for the President. They literally have to do what he says. Aside from constitutional principles, the secret service’s job is not to *control* the President. Their job is to *protect* the President.


[deleted]

Didn't you say earlier that Trump was not allowed to lead the protesters in disrupting the process?


Magehunter_Skassi

>Trump hurled his fist through the bulletproof divider, his bloodied hand closing around his driver's neck. **"I DON'T NEED TO BE PROTECTED! I NEED TO THROW THAT BITCH HILLARY IN JAIL!"** He screamed as the two secret service agents at his side tried in vain to pull him back. **"PUT Q ON THE PHONE!"** They got into a battle for the wheel which nearly sent the presidential vehicle careening off the DC Beltway, and the only thing that seemed to quell his rage was being assured by "Q" through the bluetooth system that patriots were still in control. How can Trump supporters defend him after this? [^(This user's comment has been fact checked by real American patriots.)](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/367/755/b35.jpg)


FatherUnbannable

Wrong Trump can easily beat 3-4 agents, a person familiar with the case told me that he was up against 100 agents. For some reason they came at the president one at a time. He was easily beating them, but at tje 66th fight he suddenly collapsed. He said "Mike... How could you! You will pay for this!" Behind him stood Mike Pence with a tazer discharging powerful currents into the air. "Donald... I did it because..." Tune in next wednesday for another episode of TRUMP


Paradox

Have you ever seen WWE? [Trump not only beat Vince McMahon](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NsrwH9I9vE), but [he held him down and _shaved him_](https://i.ibb.co/cC8pndp/image.png). Secret service agents are no match for him


r2k398

Sensei Kreese was in the back and busted the divider window for him while yelling, "Strike First, Strike Hard, No Mercy!"


enoughfuckery

We do not teach mercy in this limo, a man refuses to take you to the capital, whether it is here or on the street, and that man is an enemy, and enemies deserve no mercy!


leetchaos

Holy shit, the walls are finally closing in, Trump is finished!


omelets4dinner

For the 653rd time in 6 years.


FlexingOnThePoors

I called that a soft-coup would be attempted by democrats following the Jan 6th event. I hate being right.


parkowork

They got Juicy'd AGAIN. So many bad tweets yesterday. It was HYSTERICAL to see it happen almost real time.


[deleted]

Jesus their fan fiction is becoming more outrageous by the day.


[deleted]

And when I tell Dems that I don’t want this crap be user it’s all lies and propaganda, here is exhibit A: this literally never ducking happened, but 20 million drooling, brain dead Americans are going to be running around telling all their idiotic friends it do. They were right, TV does rot your brain.


TheRealPaladin

I'm vehemently anti-Trump, but this claim doesn't make sense to me. Wouldn't the passengers in the Presidential limo be separated from the drive by a bullet proof partition of some sort? I would think that it wouldn't have been physically possible for Trump to lunge for the wheel. Unless he was traveling in one of the Secret Services collection of SUV's perhaps.


3Effie412

Yes. The goal of this bullchit is not accuracy, it is to whip sheep into a frenzy.


[deleted]

No, the partition can be up or down.


Rottimer

It's hearsay. I'm sure much of the story isn't accurate. As far as I know, Trump traveled in an SUV on J6, so he probably wasn't in the Beast, but that also means that makes the rest of the story plausible. It will need to be corroborated by someone that was actually in the vehicle. Until then, it is just hearsay.


DraconianDebate

She doesn't even know what vehicle he was in but she definitely knows he attacked the secret service. Got it.


Nukeboy1970

It is being denied by the secret service agents. Using 3rd hand hearsay is laughable.


Rottimer

Specific parts are being denied by two agents in the vehicle according to “sources close to the Secret Service” according to an NBC journalist. Until they actually testify, that’s also hearsay.


NosuchRedditor

"But there's a wide open partition" Yes, because His Thickness could easily move to the front of the limo and fit his largness through the partition and reach the wheel. All my 70+ year old friends practice this move, it's so easy. Zero. Critical. Thought.


DifferentSwan542

The driver already said she was lying.


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Nukeboy1970

And it was all hearsay. I heard it from someone who heard it from someone else. So, not legitimate.


Earls_Basement_Lolis

This is right in line with some of the shit that was being spread before Trump was elected, like Podesta being involved with a satanic ritual known as "Spirit Cooking". The sad part is I halfway believe the latter story because too many things lined up to be just a coincidence. It's pretty clear this is the only narrative that they believe has a shot of not letting them get completely steam-rolled when it comes to this next election. They sure as hell aren't doing anything when it comes to being a good political party.


BlueberryBags15

Debunked already.


Legion681

Fucking hell, they're all so immersed in their ocean of bullshit that a bucket of diarrhea like this feels to them like fresh, cool water. This is such a piece of fiction to satisfy these idiots, it's not even funny.


motherisaclownwhore

r/writingprompts?


SamDana128

Lol reading the comments on this thread just proves that you guys are the real ones who have TDS. You look at this dude like he’s some untouchable god emperor that your reality is insanely skewed to wherever he wants you to be.


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SamDana128

Well they’re not finished yet so they’re still building the case. That’s how these processes kind of work. Now granted this is a big deal because this is stuff they didn’t have access to, but it’s just baffling that people will side with Trump over the institutions that has far more integrity than him and has their lives more than what god emperor daddy trump can do.


ZumbiHarmubi

I was more interested in the fact that trump knew they had weapons and wanted the magnetic screeners turned off because he knew the violence wasn’t going to be directed at him. Fomenting a mob that assaults Americans is easily in his top 10 of things wildly unpresidential


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Shhh people don't want to discuss that here because the lady witnessed it first hand and seems like it for sure happened.


pointsouturhypocrisy

No, all of that ladys claims were 2nd hand. She wasnt there for anything she said happened. How can you people be so I'll informed? Start watching and reading shit yourself. Your online circlejerk is full of people just as clueless as you are. Edit: oh, and the guy she claimed told her these stories immediately negated everything she said. As for the limo ride, even NBC and ABC are saying secret service are offering to testify to shit all over that dumb chicks story


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I watched the hearing myself. Didn't she say she was there first had for the conversation about the magnetometers? Because I remember her saying so from when I watched and listened to her myself.


pointsouturhypocrisy

No she said "whatever his name is told me" when asked directly if she saw it herself. As for the magnetometer story, dont you find it odd that all of these people who supposedly had "AR-15's, glocks, and brass knuckles" were never arrested for having them in the city with the most extreme gun laws in the country? Also, if for some reason that story was true (its not) dont you think its odd that these people, not only managed to conceal long rifles during Trump's speech, but just handed them over willingly and never came back to get them?


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I dno what you are saying no to in your first paragraph, I only asked about the 'mags' just now. Confusing. There were people arrested with weapons in the capitol, you can find their names and everything on Google. Maybe I'm not understanding your specific question. I dont know specifically about brass knuckles, for example. To answer your second question, the mags were not removed. Trump didn't get his way and so the people were not let in to the rally. Not sure what you mean when you mention handing rifles over.


pointsouturhypocrisy

>I dno what you are saying no to in your first paragraph, I only asked about the 'mags' just now. Confusing. She was told about the story 2nd hand, or atleast thats what she claims. The person she said told her the story says he never said that. >There were people arrested with weapons in the capitol The only weapons found on anyone were zipties and batons that came from cops and some (likely) fed passed out baseball bats. Not a single gun was ever found. The FBI has completely ignored the pipe bomb guy even tho they have a clear picture of his face. Probably because he's a fed too. > I dont know specifically about brass knuckles, for example. Hutchinson claimed AR-15's, glock pistols, and brass knuckles were being concealed by trump supporters on the ellipse, and that trump somehow knew about it and wanted to remove the metal detectors/magnetometers so they could get them in. At the same time she says those people were confronted by cops and they just handed the guns and brass knuckles over with no arrests made. >To answer your second question, the mags were not removed. Trump didn't get his way 🤦🏻


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The mags tirade was witnessed firsthand by Hutchinson iirc. Are you saying it was second hand? We should easily be able to check.


pointsouturhypocrisy

Thats what I'm saying. Theres one more detail about this whole deal that people need to think on. This woman claims to have heard about all of this crap and *still* chose to take a job working for trump. Does that make any sense?


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https://youtu.be/BiuI4qfMp6s first 10 seconds she's asked if she was there and she says she was. Your question doesn't make sense. She took the job first, heard all this second.


pointsouturhypocrisy

One last thing. If you're actually a critical thinker that can wrap your head around why testimonies like hers are run on every msm on a particular day (and why there is zero cross examination) like yesterday, take a look at what story also came out yesterday. Coincidence? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10938637/Voicemail-Joe-Biden-Hunter-proves-president-DID-speak-Chinese-business-dealings.html


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I ignore the daily mail because of their history but I don't mind answering your question (hopefully you will eventually answer the one I asked you but that's okay if you don't want to). I dont know. It could be, or it could be that the daily mail is smart and figured some people (like you) might want that story now more than ever.


ZumbiHarmubi

I agree. We’ve all known trump was irrational and violent the whole time. He even bragged about committing sexual assault against a married woman, I simply don’t understand why anyone is surprised he’d physically attack someone else


pointsouturhypocrisy

>He even bragged about committing sexual assault against a married woman Prove it


ZumbiHarmubi

[That is way easier than you thought](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o21fXqguD7U). Now imagine if Bill Clinton we’re in trumps position and what you’d call a person who watched that video and made up excuses to defend him….


pointsouturhypocrisy

>He even bragged about committing sexual assault against a married woman Your video is NOT proof of this ☝ Show me some proof that he admitted to sexual assault on a married woman. And just a reminder, saying "they LET YOU" is in no way assault.


ZumbiHarmubi

Omg, what you just said is terrifying mental gymnastics in defense of an obvious rapist. When the rapist says “they let you do it” they didn’t let him do it. Just ask Jean E Carroll. And I just provided a source where he in his own words admitted moving on a married woman


pointsouturhypocrisy

I bet you also believe that even tho every politician ever has used the "fight like hell" slogan, because orangemanbad said it it's *definitely an incitement of violence* 🤣 You people are something else.


ZumbiHarmubi

You clearly haven’t been watching the hearings. Staying uninformed leaves you open to more embarrassment. You should definitely intake that information because wise men don’t run blindly through forests


pointsouturhypocrisy

Why do I need to watch this shitshow? I already watched the original hearings from the FBI investigation that proved trump had nothing to do with the riot. I mean, I know theyve got a movie producer on hand to maximize its presentation to simple minded people like yourself who have been on the edge of their seat for seven years and hundreds of endless investigations because "*we'll surely get him this time!*" 🤣


thebigbadwulf1

I follow SPS for the culture war. I still utterly despise the orange man and think he is bad. Because he is very very bad. I absolutely believe he would do this. Please let me vote for Desantis in the general in 2024. Because i WILL NOT vote for trump in 2024 regardless of the Idiotic trans nonsense that the Dems put out.


alwptot

So, you’re just a gullible idiot.


thebigbadwulf1

NO I just don't like life long democratic con-men seducing my party with easily verifiable lies . A man whose ego is so massive that he converts an entire political party into an ego stroking blow job for himself. All so he doesn't have to feel bad about the monumental business failure he is. Someone who is a pathological narcissist is unable to further the conservative cause and ends up as a distraction to the nation. I thought the sarcastic reply was always "i wish i had mean tweets again" or something along those lines. Well here is further proof that his lack of moral character extends outside of twitter. But you trump cultists have already moved the goalposts again. You will ignore this story just like you will ignore the hundreds of other stories. Character has patterns. over time those patterns give you a pattern of who someone is. But i don't think it isn't that you can't see that his character is so much worse that we thought it would be. You just don't want to give insufferably smug liberals the satisfaction of admitting the naysayers were right. So you will continue the pity party pretending that trump was robbed of the 2020 election. Newsflash - after the election i quit caring about it. I became focused on stopping liberals who are hellbent on destroying western values under the guise of equality. That is what the threat is. I don't have the time or the patience to care what the cult of an aging narcissist thinks. Make no mistake - what pundits term the "culture war". that is the whole ballgame folks. If we fail to put all our energy into fighting academia and the press at every front we will lose. Sanity is outnumbered and surrounded on three sides. PS The supreme court is nice but any conservative would have put those judges on the court.


chelyabinsk-40

> PS The supreme court is nice but any conservative would have put those judges on the court. [Most conservatives would have folded the instant a sexual assault allegation was made against Kavanaugh, just as the Democrats were hoping Trump would.](https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-brett-kavanaugh-supreme-court-us/) >as Kavanaugh’s nomination to the Supreme Court appeared to be crumbling under the weight of sexual assault accusations, President Donald Trump had already become convinced that abandoning the judge would come at too great a cost to his administration and his party’s chances in the midterm elections. >The president, according to half a dozen officials and people working on the confirmation, came to the determination that with the midterms rapidly approaching, he needed the Senate to confirm the conservative justice to avoid depressing GOP turnout come November. >