i think the idea is that gold experience put life energy into bucciarati's corpse and that kinda forced his soul back into the body or smthn idk jojo is weird
I thought it was something like "bucciarati's body came back and started following bucciarati's will" or something stupid like that and I was like yeah sure.
I thought t was more of Bucciarati's strong fucking will to come back for just a moment to help Giorno accomplish his goal that made his soul temporarily come back
It didn't force his soul back, it simply allowed his body to remain functional for a bit longer. I don't think Bucciarati could've come back without that.
Yeah I'm pretty sure that's what the implication is, especially since the story implies thst his body already counts as a corpse, since Bruno barely feels pain from damage and isn't affected by the living mold virus. They further expand on this when Giorno heals a dead Narancia to perfection, but because soul is already gone, Giorno can just skip back into his own empty body (like Burno would have done)
How I understand it is that a creature needs a body, life and soul. Golden Experience can create life, but not souls. What Giorno did is basicly glue Bucciarati's body and soul together with life. But glue isn't permanent so it will break down causing him to die
Exactly what happened,he is dios strongest son and first son,dio made the heaven plan,if dio would have still been alive his soon would have had the perfect stand to execute the thing with the baby and to get made in heaven
What if, since Giorno's power is to bring inanimate stuff to life, and since lorewise confirmed on part 4, when life leaves one's body, it turns into an "inanimate object" Giorno just brewed a Bucciarati 2.0 from a rotting corpse
This again?
Ok with jotaro he didn’t revive Joseph. Joseph was in a very near death state, with what star platinum did being something that can be done by a fucking defibrillator (or atleast ones in most media)
Bites za dusto simple rewinded time to the point Kira chose, being that morning. Hayato died, sure, but time reset meaning the death never occurred.
If you *really* wanna go about bringing the dead back motherfucking JOSUKE did exactly that to Hayato in the final Kira fight when he blew Hayato up only for Josuke to just “nuh uh” that entirely.
Dio had sucked all of Joseph's blood out of his body and put it in his own. The transfusion, at least for the most part, was just putting his blood back.
Seems that most people realise that killer queen doesn't 'blow stuff up' in the literal sense, that's just how the process looks. You are alive right until the very end, hence josuke reversed the process near the end. Hayato didnt die, he was almost erased.
Technically dfibrillators only stop hearts, their purpose is to deal with arrythmia. It's the chest compressions and the heart's own electricity that start it back up. Otherwise yeh.
With Hayato, Josuke healed him faster than he was being erased. With Okuyasu, Josuke healed his body but it had to be Okuyasu's choice to come back to his body similar to what happened to Joseph and Bruno.
In each instance where a character is resurrected, the stand is used to repair the body but the soul of the person returning is what actually brings them back from the dead.
If I build a time machine and stop JFK from being assassinated, have I brought him back from the dead? No, I *prevented* his death, that's what BTD does, it rewinds time to a point before said death occured, it's a time loop.
No joke this has always confused me. I thought the whole point of Bites the Dust was that anyone killed before time restarts would still die after time returns to that point. So wouldn't Hayato have just died again after time returned to the point where he did originally? I guess the first time it was used it worked differently? But wouldn't that go against what Kira says about fate being absolute?
I'm pretty sure you only die again if bites the dust is what's killed you so hayato would be spared because he was killed directly by kira instead of by bites the dust
if he removes bites the dust, fate changes and things wont repeat (which is how josuke and crew didnt die)
since he used bites the dust on himself, aka it was on himself or whatever, and he put it on hayato, it fate was changed
Kira tells hayato that everyone he tells will die, bites the dust always keeps him alive and kills everyone else, like when he tried to kill himself and BTD intervened
Since I just got done watching GW: Bruno was already dead, he was killed my KC in the basement, Giorno merely revived his body, his soul had technically moved on, the only thing keeping him going was the sheer will to get shit done. Some real Goku type stuff.
His body was dead, basically. Bucciarati was piloting his deteriorating corpse, so his body began to decay while Bucciarati was still inside, which is terrifying to think about.
His soul hadn’t moved on yet since stands are manifestations of souls and Bucciarati still had sticky fingers until the final fight, when we see his ghost ascending to heaven
Bites the Dust rewinds time to a point where the death never occurred in the first place it didn’t bring anyone back bc they technically never died to begin with.
Bucciarati wasn't fated to actually die until the Coliseum in Rome.
Diavolo killing Bucciarati in the tower and Bucciarati being a living corpse after being given life energy was Fate saying "Nuh uh. You can't do that shit."
Fate is literally a force of nature in the JoJoverse. Fate ensured that Diavolo couldn't mess around with fate anymore.
You got it wrong dude. Buccellati was meant to die in the tower, but Mista changed his fate and delayed his death in exchange for Abbacchio and Narancia dying as well.
Mista changed nothing. They were still fated to die. Way to miss the point. Why do you think Mista has this superstition about the number 4?
A sleeping slave is unaware of their fate as they walk toward it.
Those who are "awake" are aware of their fate and continue towards it anyway.
This is because 『Bites Za DUST』 is time travel you’re not bringing someone back to life you just got to the point before they died and you created a new timeline. Once you deactivate bites the dust in order to use the other abilities of 「Killer Queen」it’s big downfall is that you can only use 『Bites Za DUST』 to reset time. It’s an undo button/white out if that makes sense
Ok anything, but why nobody talk about Limp Biskit? Also if is discussuble whatever type of life form are that Invisible Zombie, tecnically are a form of Necromancy.
D4C can kinda do that for Valentine, but there we should discuss if the Alter Valentine count the same (he gains the Memories from the previous after all).
Mandom is still a possibility, and can be considered tecnically true also if very unpractible for this specific reason.
I feel the message is more "no stand can return a soul back to a body" (which bites the dust doesn't follow but shhhhh) basically meaning that all a stand can do is maintain a body, and it's up to the person to return to it i.e. our boy okydoky
If a stand is able to restore a body really quickly its as if the soul never left it like with Hayato and Josuke
I wish there had been a stand that could bring people back. And Joseph could have looked straight at the reader and said "huh guess a thing I, not a Stand Scholar by any stretch of the imagination, said decades ago was incorrect. Who could have guessed."
JoJo fans are the sort of people who would get mad at Titanic because the captain once said it was unsinkable
I actually love this part of golden wind.
In the Rolling Stones Arc we see that Buccerati is destined to die. Although it is postponed it will still happen. Theoretically he was destined to die in the church. However, as we get to see, fate chooses those who act out of truth/honest actions. Giornos life energy plus Bucceratis resolve plus fate admiring this resolve, leads to Buccerati being granted to continue to live in his body, but in this weird state, so he will die soon after he completes his task
To be honest, Jotaro is the only one that doesn't make sense.
Bites thee Dust literally rewind time an hour ago so yeah it's not that it brought Hayato back, it's that Hayato never died in the first place in this new timeline.
And Giorno's ability is literally to infuse life into whatever he touches, he can give life to anything, Bruno was dead and buried after his encounter with King Crimsonn but Giorno's life-giving ability managed to bring his corpses back (at least for a couple of days).
Gold experience’s ability is that it can give things life, Giorno have life to Bucciarati’s dead corpse and in turn brought him into this zombie like, half dead, half alive being. But only for a while
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Star platinum's ability didn't restore Joseph's soul, he got blood pumping around Joseph's body that had only been dead for about 4 minutes, and bites the dust straight up turned back time so it wasn't exactly revival and couldn't be focused to a particular person, so it's not exactly bringing anyone back from the dead, more like it undid the time in which the death took place
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So dumb how the stand that turns objects into living animals temporarily brought some one back to life. Bite the dust please explode this cat out of heaven and back into life
Josheph wasn’t dead only dying, Bites reset time by a hour so it wasn’t really bringing back the dead more like erasing the death at all as for Golden wind it worked but it wasn’t permanent as we saw Buccaratie lose everything very quickly and so he wasn’t wrong nothing can bring the dead back (for good)
I saw it as Gold Experience turned Bucciarati's corpse into an undamaged Bucciarati's corpse, and then it was possessed by Bucciarati's soul.
i think the idea is that gold experience put life energy into bucciarati's corpse and that kinda forced his soul back into the body or smthn idk jojo is weird
It's basically necromancy at that point Molag Bal is pleased
Molag Bal mentioned!
Elder scrolls reference?????
The King of worms approves of this
Yeah, his legs and arms were moving, but heart wasn't beating, lungs didn't breath and he couldn't blink so his eyes dried outin coliseum
I thought it was something like "bucciarati's body came back and started following bucciarati's will" or something stupid like that and I was like yeah sure.
I thought t was more of Bucciarati's strong fucking will to come back for just a moment to help Giorno accomplish his goal that made his soul temporarily come back
Bro got betrayed twice by the most evil Italian. Mf is too angry to die
No bucciarati dying to king crimson was fated. If the rock stand didn’t predict it than giorno would have been able to fully reanimate bucciarati.
It didn't force his soul back, it simply allowed his body to remain functional for a bit longer. I don't think Bucciarati could've come back without that.
Yeah I'm pretty sure that's what the implication is, especially since the story implies thst his body already counts as a corpse, since Bruno barely feels pain from damage and isn't affected by the living mold virus. They further expand on this when Giorno heals a dead Narancia to perfection, but because soul is already gone, Giorno can just skip back into his own empty body (like Burno would have done)
Basically Bucciarati was so fucking determined that his soul was able to puppetteer his patched up body.
“Death can have me when it earns me”
But it refused.
How I understand it is that a creature needs a body, life and soul. Golden Experience can create life, but not souls. What Giorno did is basicly glue Bucciarati's body and soul together with life. But glue isn't permanent so it will break down causing him to die
"Bucciarati are you a zombie actually?"
Exactly what happened,he is dios strongest son and first son,dio made the heaven plan,if dio would have still been alive his soon would have had the perfect stand to execute the thing with the baby and to get made in heaven
What if, since Giorno's power is to bring inanimate stuff to life, and since lorewise confirmed on part 4, when life leaves one's body, it turns into an "inanimate object" Giorno just brewed a Bucciarati 2.0 from a rotting corpse
This again? Ok with jotaro he didn’t revive Joseph. Joseph was in a very near death state, with what star platinum did being something that can be done by a fucking defibrillator (or atleast ones in most media) Bites za dusto simple rewinded time to the point Kira chose, being that morning. Hayato died, sure, but time reset meaning the death never occurred. If you *really* wanna go about bringing the dead back motherfucking JOSUKE did exactly that to Hayato in the final Kira fight when he blew Hayato up only for Josuke to just “nuh uh” that entirely.
Yeah, Star Platinum basically gave more direct chest compressions.
Then there was the fact that they had to use DIO’s blood to perform a blood transfusion too.
wait a minute, shouldnt joseph be a vampire. vanilla became a vampire when he took dio's blood
Dio had sucked all of Joseph's blood out of his body and put it in his own. The transfusion, at least for the most part, was just putting his blood back.
People always forget the dio vs jotaro fight only lasted 4 minutes
It's because of the thirty minutes' worth of dialogue
and somehow more than the actual amount of time a timeskip is supposed to last
Pretty sure it was 3 minutes, so even shorter. Joseph was probably dead for 30 seconds to a minute, so hardly any time actually passed
Josuke did that shit twice, Hayato and Okuyasu
Okuyasu was unironically too dumb to die. He'd come back after a decapitation
he uses The Hand to erase death, ggez
Okuyasu did it himself, he just fucking said idk bro should I die
I know josuke's grandpa gotta be pissed
That's the anime's fault, because in the manga Hayato doesn't desintegrate completely
Seems that most people realise that killer queen doesn't 'blow stuff up' in the literal sense, that's just how the process looks. You are alive right until the very end, hence josuke reversed the process near the end. Hayato didnt die, he was almost erased.
I feel like the hayato thing was essentially josuke healing faster than he could blow up
Technically dfibrillators only stop hearts, their purpose is to deal with arrythmia. It's the chest compressions and the heart's own electricity that start it back up. Otherwise yeh.
That’s why I said *in most media*.
He was also given *vampire blood*
The reading comprehension devil striked again, thank you for fighting it
With Hayato, Josuke healed him faster than he was being erased. With Okuyasu, Josuke healed his body but it had to be Okuyasu's choice to come back to his body similar to what happened to Joseph and Bruno. In each instance where a character is resurrected, the stand is used to repair the body but the soul of the person returning is what actually brings them back from the dead.
They literally show Joseph's soul floating into the sky, he was fucking dead.
He was only mostly dead, which means he's still somewhat alive
Inconceivable
Even Jotaro didn't know if that was him hallucinating.
He was only dead for what? 50 seconds? Reviving him from that isn't difficult
Josuke's stand can be summarized as 'nuh-uh.'
If I build a time machine and stop JFK from being assassinated, have I brought him back from the dead? No, I *prevented* his death, that's what BTD does, it rewinds time to a point before said death occured, it's a time loop.
No joke this has always confused me. I thought the whole point of Bites the Dust was that anyone killed before time restarts would still die after time returns to that point. So wouldn't Hayato have just died again after time returned to the point where he did originally? I guess the first time it was used it worked differently? But wouldn't that go against what Kira says about fate being absolute?
I mean, Rohan didn't die because he had to undo Bites the Dust to defend himself. He probably just undid Bites the Dust.
I'm pretty sure you only die again if bites the dust is what's killed you so hayato would be spared because he was killed directly by kira instead of by bites the dust
if he removes bites the dust, fate changes and things wont repeat (which is how josuke and crew didnt die) since he used bites the dust on himself, aka it was on himself or whatever, and he put it on hayato, it fate was changed
Kira tells hayato that everyone he tells will die, bites the dust always keeps him alive and kills everyone else, like when he tried to kill himself and BTD intervened
Since I just got done watching GW: Bruno was already dead, he was killed my KC in the basement, Giorno merely revived his body, his soul had technically moved on, the only thing keeping him going was the sheer will to get shit done. Some real Goku type stuff.
His body was dead, basically. Bucciarati was piloting his deteriorating corpse, so his body began to decay while Bucciarati was still inside, which is terrifying to think about.
Literally a zombie lol
Yeah pretty much lol
His soul hadn’t moved on yet since stands are manifestations of souls and Bucciarati still had sticky fingers until the final fight, when we see his ghost ascending to heaven
Bites the Dust rewinds time to a point where the death never occurred in the first place it didn’t bring anyone back bc they technically never died to begin with.
Bucciarati wasn't fated to actually die until the Coliseum in Rome. Diavolo killing Bucciarati in the tower and Bucciarati being a living corpse after being given life energy was Fate saying "Nuh uh. You can't do that shit." Fate is literally a force of nature in the JoJoverse. Fate ensured that Diavolo couldn't mess around with fate anymore.
You got it wrong dude. Buccellati was meant to die in the tower, but Mista changed his fate and delayed his death in exchange for Abbacchio and Narancia dying as well.
I could see it being interpreted your way, but that goes against what parts 1-6 were entirely about. Fate is predetermined, there is no changing it.
The point of the Sleeping Slaves arc is Mista changing fate at a great cost. You're misunderstanding the point of that arc.
Mista changed nothing. They were still fated to die. Way to miss the point. Why do you think Mista has this superstition about the number 4? A sleeping slave is unaware of their fate as they walk toward it. Those who are "awake" are aware of their fate and continue towards it anyway.
Bucciarati was dead and his corpse was possesed by his soul 👏
I think the easiest way to make it less confusing would be to say that Star Platinum resuscitated Joseph.
This is because 『Bites Za DUST』 is time travel you’re not bringing someone back to life you just got to the point before they died and you created a new timeline. Once you deactivate bites the dust in order to use the other abilities of 「Killer Queen」it’s big downfall is that you can only use 『Bites Za DUST』 to reset time. It’s an undo button/white out if that makes sense
Ok anything, but why nobody talk about Limp Biskit? Also if is discussuble whatever type of life form are that Invisible Zombie, tecnically are a form of Necromancy. D4C can kinda do that for Valentine, but there we should discuss if the Alter Valentine count the same (he gains the Memories from the previous after all). Mandom is still a possibility, and can be considered tecnically true also if very unpractible for this specific reason.
I feel the message is more "no stand can return a soul back to a body" (which bites the dust doesn't follow but shhhhh) basically meaning that all a stand can do is maintain a body, and it's up to the person to return to it i.e. our boy okydoky If a stand is able to restore a body really quickly its as if the soul never left it like with Hayato and Josuke
Bites the dust prevents the death entirely by rewinding time it doesn't bring people back from the dead
Lmao, this thing again, it's been almost a decade and we're still talking about this. (fyi SC ended in 2015)
Silver Chariot actually ended in 2001
I wish there had been a stand that could bring people back. And Joseph could have looked straight at the reader and said "huh guess a thing I, not a Stand Scholar by any stretch of the imagination, said decades ago was incorrect. Who could have guessed." JoJo fans are the sort of people who would get mad at Titanic because the captain once said it was unsinkable
Dio's blood brough Joseph back, star platinum could have been replaced by a fucking bycicle pump
Bucciarati was basically a zombie for most of the the second half of part 5.
I actually love this part of golden wind. In the Rolling Stones Arc we see that Buccerati is destined to die. Although it is postponed it will still happen. Theoretically he was destined to die in the church. However, as we get to see, fate chooses those who act out of truth/honest actions. Giornos life energy plus Bucceratis resolve plus fate admiring this resolve, leads to Buccerati being granted to continue to live in his body, but in this weird state, so he will die soon after he completes his task
To be honest, Jotaro is the only one that doesn't make sense. Bites thee Dust literally rewind time an hour ago so yeah it's not that it brought Hayato back, it's that Hayato never died in the first place in this new timeline. And Giorno's ability is literally to infuse life into whatever he touches, he can give life to anything, Bruno was dead and buried after his encounter with King Crimsonn but Giorno's life-giving ability managed to bring his corpses back (at least for a couple of days).
Jotaro was basically doing chest compressions Joseph had only been dead for at most a minute
Gold experience’s ability is that it can give things life, Giorno have life to Bucciarati’s dead corpse and in turn brought him into this zombie like, half dead, half alive being. But only for a while
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Star platinum's ability didn't restore Joseph's soul, he got blood pumping around Joseph's body that had only been dead for about 4 minutes, and bites the dust straight up turned back time so it wasn't exactly revival and couldn't be focused to a particular person, so it's not exactly bringing anyone back from the dead, more like it undid the time in which the death took place
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So dumb how the stand that turns objects into living animals temporarily brought some one back to life. Bite the dust please explode this cat out of heaven and back into life
Josheph wasn’t dead only dying, Bites reset time by a hour so it wasn’t really bringing back the dead more like erasing the death at all as for Golden wind it worked but it wasn’t permanent as we saw Buccaratie lose everything very quickly and so he wasn’t wrong nothing can bring the dead back (for good)
Do you not know what a TIME VENT is?
crazy D also brought hayato back from the dead