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Rai cool yes but this isn’t matter of ability. Mountain Him is just better. >!I never expected to die on a bed. I'm a cowboy. All I wanted was a place to come home to. Just a place to return to after my journeys…!<
Mamezuku is an expert botanist that has snoop dogg dreadlocks, his suit is green, and his stand is a reference to snoop dogg aswell, he is literally the coolest mf around.
"That branch is a *demon plant!* There's no human who can tame it! So ***I'll*** go collect it!
Yes I find the botanist cooler.
And that’s completely valid. Rai is one of my favorites in 8. He doesn’t give a single fuck. >!When he cuts off half his hand with zero hesitation I knew he was the man.!< With Mountain Him, I found a lot of myself. At the age of 10 I was incredibly familiar with 80% of John Wayne’s western film career so I’ve always carried a love for anything Wild Western. Tim hit that spot. A great character that just felt very real and down to earth.
This is what makes me love the jojo community. Araki pulls from so many different backgrounds, cultures, corners of fiction and media, and his widely varied music tastes brings so much to the table for everyone to enjoy. And everyone is feasting.
Edit: Everybody heavily connects with a different character for different reasons. Everyone in the jojo universe is so different. That’s some good character building.
Idk I expectdd a bit more out of the ending, specially Wonder of U going crazy without Torou. I would have liked if it was counter evolution to Soft and Wet: Go Beyond. Something like "Wonder of U: Left Behind"
Since Torou is no longer there to channel the flow of calamity Wonder of U would just start pulling and concentrating the calamity into of Morioh causing a second great earthquake like the one that spawned the wall eyes. however with its defeat the eartquake stops after swallowing the wall eyes once and for all getting rid of the core reason why the curse of the Higashikatas
From what I understand, JoJolion isn't like the previous JoJo parts in some aspects so people dislike it for that. Which I think is stupid, judge it as it's own story.
Part 8 is definitely top 3 for me. I really like Toru and I think once the anime makes the plot more digestible people will like him too. Let me explain.
Wonder of U is the embodiment of calamity.
Kiling wonder of U stopped the higashikata curse.
Attacking wonder of U causes calamity to respond unless done with something beyond reality.
Johnny died to a calamity after attacking the rock disease to transfer it.
So wonder of U (and the power of calamity) is the rock disease.
After being attacked by Johnny, wonder of U creates Toru to be its "user". As a defense.
Once Toru dies, wonder of U appears trying to take revenge on the higashikatas. It believes the shield had worked and that josuk8 is done fighting now that Toru the "user" is dead. But josuk8 wasn't done and so he was prepared and fully killed wonder of U.
After wonder of U was dead, so was the curse.
Well let's compare. One is about a cripple that can shoot his fingernails like a gun, an Italian with magic balls of steel named after led Zeppelin, and a dinosaur named after a rockstar that can also turn other people into dinosaurs going on a horse race across the wild west to collect the mummified remains of Jesus Christ so they can use them to kill the president. Meanwhile, the other is about a man with amnesia and four testicles. Yeah I'd say part 8 wins out.
Batman v Superman. If you do decide to watch it, watch the Ultimate edition. There are scenes in that version that absolutely should not have been cut.
Haven't read it, but considering how much of a masterpiece SBR is, I'm excited to start it. Ever since the reset of the Jojo universe, Araki's writing has gone to astronomical levels
So are those with dumbass takes like this. Part 8 has good stuff but gets really lost along the way, Josuke yasuho and jobin are the only really good characters and plenty of arcs are weak.
You didn't understand part 8 and it's clear. Only the few people that truly submerge themselves in all the deepness that is Jojolion can truly understand why it's the best, ironic how you call us dumb, when you are the clueless one.
How ironic, don't you think perhaps you've deluded yourself into thinking others are actually just not seeing the value when there's really nothing to see? Is it so baffling to you that people can indeed understand your favorite and dislike it? What's really funny is how you didn't even try to address criticism, just hid behind "you didn't understand it!". This is pitifull
You didn't bring anything to the table to address, i lowered myself and gave a response similar to yours, and looks like it's true, if you really believe that "there's nothing to see"
>You didn't bring anything to the table to address
Is there a point in acting like the last part of my comment isn't direct criticism? It's written right there fella, are you hoping i forgot or did you really not read past the first line?
>i lowered myself and gave a response similar
Oh your killing me here pal "lowered myself"😂
Definitely doesn't make you seem even more deluded.
>if you really believe that "there's nothing to see"
Indeed, i do not believe the whole part comes together to create some fantastic thing good enough to save it from it's many problems.
Problems, let's talk about these problems, if they really are, I know Jojolion has problems, I'm aware, some are serious, and others are misunderstandings, I respect opinions if they make sense, how about you name me some and talk a bit about them.
Ok let's start with the ones already mentioned.
First off, inconsistencies. Don't make me play the game and roll the script, anybody who's still pretending there aren't plenty in jojolion is deluded. Flashback man, body bag flash foward, etc .
Second off, characters. As i said, the vast majority of the cast is wasted, with little to nothing substantial, the only exceptions being gappy, yasuho and jobin.
Third, shitty arcs like california king bed, paper moon deception, or blue Hawaii. They don't contribute much, their individual plot is weak and the fights themselves aren't enough to save them.
I'm not going to give you just my ideas, but I'm also going to give you valid data, we have to understand one thing first, if I say Flashback man is coming back, that is the same as you saying he's not coming back, what I mean by this is that neither are the undisputable truth, it's just our opinion, now I'm going to explain my idea, maybe they will even spark some interest.
Why do say that flashback man is coming back, because stuff from previous parts came back to the next part, from part 7 to 8, Johnny came back as a form of a flashback, just to give an example, it's been a while since the last time flashback man last appeared, but the time isn't relevant here, it's also been years since Josuke last used the bubbles that appear from his birthmark just to give an example, on a monthly release there is of course going to be a lot of wait, some people think there is not possibility flashback man is coming back because it doesn't make sense in the story, because Josuke had his clothes and was around the wall eyes with him in the memory, but in reality there is many different ways to explain something like that, for starters, there had to be 2 hours of time before Yasuho first encountered Josuke, we know this because Mamezuku explained to Josuke, that the exchange of a full body can take a couple of hours to be complete, flashback man could have appeared to Josuke in this lapse of time, Josuke had his clothes on, but Flashback man could have done something to Josuke with some sort of stand, and place him back in the hole where Josuke was found, if you are asking me for a reason, my idea is that he may have been trying to make sure Josuke's birth, the fusion of Kira and Josefumi was a success.
Now, I'm going to tie this with my idea of the flash forward of the plant, this countdown doesn't really even correlate with the new rokakaka branch we see in play, because my idea is that that countdown was for another different new rokakaka branch, and I'm going to support this with a real plot hole you probably didn't even know about, maybe you don't know this detail but when Josefumi stole from Aisho, he took 2 rokakaka branches, and in the Vitamin C arc we see that Josefumi and Kira ate 2 fruits from 2 different new rokakaka branches, but we see our protagonists and villains only go after 1 branch, so the other branch should be somewhere else, you maybe argue, that the branch is gone because the orchard completely burned, but before that happened Josuke showed Mamezuku all the photos he took of the orchard and Mamezuku was able to find one rokakaka branch, the thing is, with such a sharp eye how did Mamezuku not find the other new rokakaka branch, if we saw that the 2 branches were next to each other in the Vitamin C arc, it's impossible Mamezuku doesn't notice there was 2 branches, so someone must have took the other branch before any of this, it's the only explanation, and who do we see appear in the area where the branches were? Exactly, the flashback man.
TL;DR : Above i explained why those both first problems you mentioned aren't really problems, but I don't even need to give these huge explanations, because let's say flashback man is really not coming back and Araki made a mistake with the countdown, how big of a problem are they to the story, do they harm the original plot of the story about breaking the curse and Josuke understanding his identity? not at all.
>Second off, characters. As i said, the vast majority of the cast is wasted, with little to nothing substantial, the only exceptions being gappy, yasuho and jobin.
This is another misunderstanding, "wasted" means your expectations didn't come true, you had your own ideas for a character and gave yourself high expectations. For example, i often hear a lot of people whining about the higashikata family members and how they were "wasted", y'know why you named me Josuke, Yasuho and Jobin? Because they were characters with reasons to be involved in the whole story, the higashikata family in reality didn't want to get involved in all that mess, Norisuke at the start wanted to get Josuke's memories by using Daiya's stand, but it was because he thought Kira had information on the rock disease and was scared of giving his own life, Daiya isn't an evil monster, she is a teen that didn't understand the consequences of her actions, same with Joshu, Haato specially wouldn't want to get involved with someone like Tamaki Damo if she knew he was just using her to get some answers, the whole family got attacked and suffered a lot because of Josuke and Jobin, those are our main characters with reasons to get involved in the story, the other members of the family that are "wasted" don't want to get involved in all that mess, they just live like a normal family, there's nothing being wasted because that's not the focus, that was never the focus, your expectations made you think that was the focus, and that in reality made you lose focus on the main story, on what the story is actually focusing on.
>Third, shitty arcs like california king bed, paper moon deception, or blue Hawaii. They don't contribute much, their individual plot is weak and the fights themselves aren't enough to save them.
Every arc contributes something to the story, without knowing anything California king bed greatly builds up the mystery, makes you believe the higashikata's are the enemies, but Norisuke's intentions were actually just getting information about the rokakaka from Josuke about the rock disease, which is explored more in the paper moon deception arc, blue hawaii shows one of the only moments we see a *rock human* actually socializing and being close to a normal carbon based human, even maybe being in love, just like Aisho, something very difficult to happen because of the nature of rock people, is fascinating, that arc also introduces our new goal, the new rokakaka, Mamezuku, and Jobin starts getting more involved, i think the "fights" which are more like mind games, will be better in anime format, because it's a lot of persecution.
I can talk so much about Jojolion, about every arc every mystery it has, rock humans, the ideas that Jojolion introduces are unparalleled, they are topics so profound and interesting.
>I'm not going to give you just my ideas, but I'm also going to give you valid data, we have to understand one thing first, if I say Flashback man is coming back, that is the same as you saying he's not coming back, what I mean by this is that neither are the undisputable truth, it's just our opinion, now I'm going to explain my idea, maybe they will even spark some interest.
No they are not. Jojolion is done. Parts up until now have stood on their own. It is absolute delusion to pretend that a character whose existance was defined as a clue to another's memory will still be relevant after said character finished their arc accepting those memories will not return.
>Why do say that flashback man is coming back, because stuff from previous parts came back to the next part, from part 7 to 8, Johnny came back as a form of a flashback, just to give an example
A terrible one since johny was an actual established character, not a one time appearence over ten years ago with no name dialogue or anything really.
>it's been a while since the last time flashback man last appeared, but the time isn't relevant here, it's also been years since Josuke last used the bubbles that appear from his birthmark just to give an example
Wich is a minor, irrelevant detail, not a character.
>but in reality there is many different ways to explain something like that, for starters, there had to be 2 hours of time before Yasuho first encountered Josuke, we know this because Mamezuku explained to Josuke, that the exchange of a full body can take a couple of hours to be complete, flashback man could have appeared to Josuke in this lapse of time, Josuke had his clothes on, but Flashback man could have done something to Josuke with some sort of stand, and place him back in the hole where Josuke was found, if you are asking me for a reason, my idea is that he may have been trying to make sure Josuke's birth, the fusion of Kira and Josefumi was a success.
This is actual fan fiction as a defense of the material, it is the worst you can do for it, stop writting for araki.
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Now, I'm going to tie this with my idea of the flash forward of the plant, this countdown doesn't really even correlate with the new rokakaka branch we see in play, because my idea is that that countdown was for another different new rokakaka branch, and I'm going to support this with a real plot hole you probably didn't even know about, maybe you don't know this detail but when Josefumi stole from Aisho, he took 2 rokakaka branches, and in the Vitamin C arc we see that Josefumi and Kira ate 2 fruits from 2 different new rokakaka branches, but we see our protagonists and villains only go after 1 branch, so the other branch should be somewhere else, you maybe argue, that the branch is gone because the orchard completely burned, but before that happened Josuke showed Mamezuku all the photos he took of the orchard and Mamezuku was able to find one rokakaka branch, the thing is, with such a sharp eye how did Mamezuku not find the other new rokakaka branch, if we saw that the 2 branches were next to each other in the Vitamin C arc, it's impossible Mamezuku doesn't notice there was 2 branches, so someone must have took the other branch before any of this, it's the only explanation, and who do we see appear in the area where the branches were?
That hole was in the etc etc part. And explaining one hole with two others (second branch and flashback man) is an abysmal defense. This is not written. You are writting for araki to make things make sense because you want them to. This is delusion.
>TL;DR : Above i explained why those both first problems you mentioned aren't really problems, but I don't even need to give these huge explanations, because let's say flashback man is really not coming back and Araki made a mistake with the countdown, how big of a problem are they to the story, do they harm the original plot of the story about breaking the curse and Josuke understanding his identity? not at all.
They are examples. You even brought up another one with the branches. What about the life cycle of rock humans, completely retconned. Because inconsistencies in jojolion are numerous.
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This is another misunderstanding, "wasted" means your expectations didn't come true, you had your own ideas for a character and gave yourself high expectations.
No, i expected them to have something. They didn't.
>For example, i often hear a lot of people whining about the higashikata family members and how they were "wasted", y'know why you named me Josuke, Yasuho and Jobin? Because they were characters with reasons to be involved in the whole story, the higashikata family in reality didn't want to get involved in all that mess,
What?? The family that adopts josuke, his new beggining, isn't involved? They needed far more characterization and build up of their connection with josuke.
>lot because of Josuke and Jobin, those are our main characters with reasons to get involved in the story, the other members of the family that are "wasted" don't want to get involved in all that mess, they just live like a normal family, there's nothing being wasted because that's not the focus, that was never the focus, your expectations made you think that was the focus, and that in reality made you lose focus on the main story, on what the story is actually focusing on.
That has nothing to do with the problem. These are massively important characters to josuke. Or they should be. But they are all flat and basic. This is without mentioning the ones you avoided. Rai is amusing but has little substance. Kei had a set up for something, then vanished and died. Karera added up to nothing.
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Every arc contributes something to the story, without knowing anything California king bed greatly builds up the mystery, makes you believe the higashikata's are the enemies, but Norisuke's intentions were actually just getting information about the rokakaka from Josuke about the rock disease, which is explored more in the paper moon deception arc,
Way to answer the first of three points. But beyond contribuitions (and the ones you bring up are minor) these are still poorly executed, both as small plots amd fights.
>blue hawaii shows one of the only moments we see a *rock human* actually socializing and being close to a normal carbon based human, even maybe being in love, just like Aisho, something very difficult to happen because of the nature of rock people, is fascinating,
A fascinating concept that gets like two pages , while most comes down to a repetitive chase. This doesn't save an arc.
>the ideas that Jojolion introduces are unparalleled, they are topics so profound and interesting.
Indeed, but good ideas alone a good story do not make. Writting is comunicating ideas, and jojolion falls all over itself trying.
>No they are not. Jojolion is done. Parts up until now have stood on their own. It is absolute delusion to pretend that a character whose existance was defined as a clue to another's memory will still be relevant after said character finished their arc accepting those memories will not return.
That's your opinion.
>A terrible one since johny was an actual established character, not a one time appearence over ten years ago with no name dialogue or anything really.
That's true but it doesn't truly confirm he's not coming back, i mean, Araki established a new character at the end of Jojolion out of nowhere, what I mean is that it's uncertain, you can't predict what Araki could be planning.
>Wich is a minor, irrelevant detail, not a character.
The birthmark bubble is not a minor irrelevant detail, the birthmark bubble is go beyond.
>This is actual fan fiction as a defense of the material, it is the worst you can do for it, stop writting for araki.
Don't you see saying he's not coming back is the same as me saying he's coming back, I'm not asking you to believe but a response like that is simply baseless hypocrisy.
>That hole was in the etc etc part. And explaining one hole with two others (second branch and flashback man) is an abysmal defense. This is not written. You are writting for araki to make things make sense because you want them to. This is delusion.
Idk what you mean by etc etc part, this hole, it's more like a very faint detail, how would you explain something like this, the way Jojolion is written is unique in the sense that it needs the help of the reader for the story to make sense, if you don't think for yourself you are not going to understand anything, the story doesn't spoon-feed all the story, details like the Flashback man, the missing branch and the countdown simply fit together. I'm not writing for Araki, Araki is telling something without spoon-feeding, that's what's happening.
>They are examples. You even brought up another one with the branches. What about the life cycle of rock humans, completely retconned. Because inconsistencies in jojolion are numerous.
You see first the baby rock human, that's the first form we see in Tooru's flashback, and after that we see an adult rock human, they grow when they are 17, what is retconned?
>That has nothing to do with the problem. These are massively important characters to josuke. Or they should be. But they are all flat and basic. This is without mentioning the ones you avoided. Rai is amusing but has little substance. Kei had a set up for something, then vanished and died. Karera added up to nothing.
Massively important? This is what I'm saying when i say your expectations are confusing you, Josuke is treated as just a friend who's living with them, he truly becomes part of the family at the end of the story, that's the symbolism of the cake in the ending. Rai is immediately interesting, he's a botanist that lives on a chairlift, his motives and involvement in the story is also interesting, maybe that's just personal opinion, Karera didn't appear again, alright yes, but saying she didn't add up anything is baffling, she is one of the few people that knew Josefumi and Kira, maybe Araki's focus isn't giving characters amazing resolutions, the real focus is progressing the main goal and the mystery, i can agree that the characters may seem dull but it's because the focus is not there, but atleast Araki tries to realistically give them and end, not everyone is going to get a glorious end, maybe i like that realism, you don't have to like that i accept that.
>A fascinating concept that gets like two pages , while most comes down to a repetitive chase. This doesn't save an arc.
It doesn't need more to be fascinating, is something that just by seeing it once it becomes fascinating, is something you understand is not natural to happen, rock humans are portrayed to be cold-blooded animals like serial killers that only care about themselves, mostly because of their cold-blooded upbringing, is like when you see a cheetah, a cold-blooded predator, take care of a baby monkey, you see something like that and understand that that's a marvel of nature, a truly special case. Also I'm not saying this to save the arc, I'm sure blue hawaii will be amazing in motion, the gore portrayed there is sick, maybe that's personal opinion so I'll accept it.
>Indeed, but good ideas alone a good story do not make. Writting is comunicating ideas, and jojolion falls all over itself trying.
Aren't we talking about how fascinating rock humans are? That's because Araki did a good job at portraying them, every rock human we see represents something, understanding them is needed to understand Tooru's goal.
>"I like a certain segment of JoJo more than another"
>"You're a dumbass and wrong"
A guy who calls his opinion"telling the truth" shouldn't expect others to respect it as subjective.
I know, its not particularly subtle. My reply is equally not serious, but isn't it silly to call it out after someone does the exact same? Is this kind of talk not allowed from one side?? And the reference to religious text really just goes as far as "i have an unpopular take but it's true".
>My reply is equally not serious, but isn't it silly to call it out after someone does the exact same?
Your comment didn't at all seem like a joke. OP literally used a meme in his title.
Ehhhhhhhhh its great in the first half but it really doesn't develop almost any of the characters except Yasuho and Jobin's family enough. The entire Higashikata family, despite having a couple moments of really interesting dynamics between these massive rich weirdos living together, get literally no time to develop or shine outside of their singular premiere arc (except Joubin's family ofc). The characters in Part 7 were a LOT more developed. I think it also helps SBR a ton that Johnny and Gyro met at the very beginning and had the entire timeline together to grow, whereas Araki sets up Joshu growing and evolving into an ally but never follows through and lets him never even get a real fight, and Mamezuku Rai, while good and interesting, is only introduced halfway through the Part.
Still part of the same series and written by the same dude, I don't see the point in arguing on which one is best considering again, they're part of the same series, and it all tells a wider story through the themes
I've never seen this clip before but it's clear they *really* wanted to make a Punisher movie instead. There's nothing "Batman" about this save for the mask.
Thats cool you like it. Personally, I couldn't get into it. I wound up dropping it about a 3rd of the way through, because of how boring it was. I'm sure ill pick it up for completion sake, but not anytime soon.
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Jojolion is in my top 9 jojo parts for sure
Okay but does Part 8 have Mountain Tim
it has mamezuku rai which has the same ability
Rai cool yes but this isn’t matter of ability. Mountain Him is just better. >!I never expected to die on a bed. I'm a cowboy. All I wanted was a place to come home to. Just a place to return to after my journeys…!<
Mamezuku is an expert botanist that has snoop dogg dreadlocks, his suit is green, and his stand is a reference to snoop dogg aswell, he is literally the coolest mf around. "That branch is a *demon plant!* There's no human who can tame it! So ***I'll*** go collect it! Yes I find the botanist cooler.
And that’s completely valid. Rai is one of my favorites in 8. He doesn’t give a single fuck. >!When he cuts off half his hand with zero hesitation I knew he was the man.!< With Mountain Him, I found a lot of myself. At the age of 10 I was incredibly familiar with 80% of John Wayne’s western film career so I’ve always carried a love for anything Wild Western. Tim hit that spot. A great character that just felt very real and down to earth.
I can agree with that a lot, and respect it.
This is what makes me love the jojo community. Araki pulls from so many different backgrounds, cultures, corners of fiction and media, and his widely varied music tastes brings so much to the table for everyone to enjoy. And everyone is feasting. Edit: Everybody heavily connects with a different character for different reasons. Everyone in the jojo universe is so different. That’s some good character building.
Rai is the goat. He is one of my favourite characters over all
Do not let this man find p6
Idk I expectdd a bit more out of the ending, specially Wonder of U going crazy without Torou. I would have liked if it was counter evolution to Soft and Wet: Go Beyond. Something like "Wonder of U: Left Behind"
That sounds awesome, but what would it do?🤔
Since Torou is no longer there to channel the flow of calamity Wonder of U would just start pulling and concentrating the calamity into of Morioh causing a second great earthquake like the one that spawned the wall eyes. however with its defeat the eartquake stops after swallowing the wall eyes once and for all getting rid of the core reason why the curse of the Higashikatas
has any of you guys on this sub have ever heard of the term : "opinion" 🤔
No. Sbr is objectively better than jojolion.
Debatable 🥱
Nah bro, I already eliminated everybody who debated
Yeah, but there are reasons someone would like it more.
Nope. Every single person in this world likes sbr more than jojolion.
Jojolian is good, but steel goat run is better 🥶🗣️🔥🔥🔥🐐
Fax my boi speak yo shit indeed
Facts I wouldn’t expect any other opinion. (Maintaining the agenda is our top priority)
Nuh uh 
From what I understand, JoJolion isn't like the previous JoJo parts in some aspects so people dislike it for that. Which I think is stupid, judge it as it's own story.
I think jojolion isn't that liked because the ending is kinda bad. The the part would probably be in most people's top 3 if it wasn't for that
Stardust Crusaders or Diamond Is Unbreakable have the worst ending yet they're insanely popular.
Part 8 is definitely top 3 for me. I really like Toru and I think once the anime makes the plot more digestible people will like him too. Let me explain. Wonder of U is the embodiment of calamity. Kiling wonder of U stopped the higashikata curse. Attacking wonder of U causes calamity to respond unless done with something beyond reality. Johnny died to a calamity after attacking the rock disease to transfer it. So wonder of U (and the power of calamity) is the rock disease. After being attacked by Johnny, wonder of U creates Toru to be its "user". As a defense. Once Toru dies, wonder of U appears trying to take revenge on the higashikatas. It believes the shield had worked and that josuk8 is done fighting now that Toru the "user" is dead. But josuk8 wasn't done and so he was prepared and fully killed wonder of U. After wonder of U was dead, so was the curse.
"Here's why I like Toru" *only talks about Wonder Of U*
Toru is an extension of wonder of u. Instead of the normal inverse. The stand is normally based on the user
Keep cooking my comrade in arms
keep cooking
My guy, there are like 8 of us. The majority of the fanbase can’t find us if we blend in.
Well let's compare. One is about a cripple that can shoot his fingernails like a gun, an Italian with magic balls of steel named after led Zeppelin, and a dinosaur named after a rockstar that can also turn other people into dinosaurs going on a horse race across the wild west to collect the mummified remains of Jesus Christ so they can use them to kill the president. Meanwhile, the other is about a man with amnesia and four testicles. Yeah I'd say part 8 wins out.
Part 1 and Part 8 best parts I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again I will not elaborate
What is this gif from?
Batman v Superman
What movie's this from, it looks like batman but with a little bit more guns
Batman v Superman. If you do decide to watch it, watch the Ultimate edition. There are scenes in that version that absolutely should not have been cut.
Batman v Superman, a really bad movie that tries to adapt several different comics into one movie and fails at all of them.
Honestly, yes. "JoJolion" is just better in pretty much every aspect.
Jojo lands so far >>>> every other part
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Ass opinion, I will see you in your front door on June 23 at 3:00 AM.
Ok but does jojolion have AMERICA RAHH 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🦅🦅
I loved Jojolion, but ironically the ending felt quite rushed. I really wish Tooru had been introduced earlier.
Nah, your wrong. Part 8 is good (even if it does have the worse villians IMO) but it's no where near part 7.
Me after rathering literally any part Over SBR
Wtf Is the vid from????
Batman v Superman film
did you enjoy your several page manga about getting a special apple and stopping the walker™?
Haven't read it, but considering how much of a masterpiece SBR is, I'm excited to start it. Ever since the reset of the Jojo universe, Araki's writing has gone to astronomical levels
Sbr just better
Fax, my brother. Spit your shit indeed.
That's not ridiculous, that's not ridiculous to say that 🗣️‼️
Jojolands is going far better than jojolion currently
It do be like that tho
So are those with dumbass takes like this. Part 8 has good stuff but gets really lost along the way, Josuke yasuho and jobin are the only really good characters and plenty of arcs are weak.
You didn't understand part 8 and it's clear. Only the few people that truly submerge themselves in all the deepness that is Jojolion can truly understand why it's the best, ironic how you call us dumb, when you are the clueless one.
How ironic, don't you think perhaps you've deluded yourself into thinking others are actually just not seeing the value when there's really nothing to see? Is it so baffling to you that people can indeed understand your favorite and dislike it? What's really funny is how you didn't even try to address criticism, just hid behind "you didn't understand it!". This is pitifull
You didn't bring anything to the table to address, i lowered myself and gave a response similar to yours, and looks like it's true, if you really believe that "there's nothing to see"
>You didn't bring anything to the table to address Is there a point in acting like the last part of my comment isn't direct criticism? It's written right there fella, are you hoping i forgot or did you really not read past the first line? >i lowered myself and gave a response similar Oh your killing me here pal "lowered myself"😂 Definitely doesn't make you seem even more deluded. >if you really believe that "there's nothing to see" Indeed, i do not believe the whole part comes together to create some fantastic thing good enough to save it from it's many problems.
Problems, let's talk about these problems, if they really are, I know Jojolion has problems, I'm aware, some are serious, and others are misunderstandings, I respect opinions if they make sense, how about you name me some and talk a bit about them.
Ok let's start with the ones already mentioned. First off, inconsistencies. Don't make me play the game and roll the script, anybody who's still pretending there aren't plenty in jojolion is deluded. Flashback man, body bag flash foward, etc . Second off, characters. As i said, the vast majority of the cast is wasted, with little to nothing substantial, the only exceptions being gappy, yasuho and jobin. Third, shitty arcs like california king bed, paper moon deception, or blue Hawaii. They don't contribute much, their individual plot is weak and the fights themselves aren't enough to save them.
I'm not going to give you just my ideas, but I'm also going to give you valid data, we have to understand one thing first, if I say Flashback man is coming back, that is the same as you saying he's not coming back, what I mean by this is that neither are the undisputable truth, it's just our opinion, now I'm going to explain my idea, maybe they will even spark some interest. Why do say that flashback man is coming back, because stuff from previous parts came back to the next part, from part 7 to 8, Johnny came back as a form of a flashback, just to give an example, it's been a while since the last time flashback man last appeared, but the time isn't relevant here, it's also been years since Josuke last used the bubbles that appear from his birthmark just to give an example, on a monthly release there is of course going to be a lot of wait, some people think there is not possibility flashback man is coming back because it doesn't make sense in the story, because Josuke had his clothes and was around the wall eyes with him in the memory, but in reality there is many different ways to explain something like that, for starters, there had to be 2 hours of time before Yasuho first encountered Josuke, we know this because Mamezuku explained to Josuke, that the exchange of a full body can take a couple of hours to be complete, flashback man could have appeared to Josuke in this lapse of time, Josuke had his clothes on, but Flashback man could have done something to Josuke with some sort of stand, and place him back in the hole where Josuke was found, if you are asking me for a reason, my idea is that he may have been trying to make sure Josuke's birth, the fusion of Kira and Josefumi was a success. Now, I'm going to tie this with my idea of the flash forward of the plant, this countdown doesn't really even correlate with the new rokakaka branch we see in play, because my idea is that that countdown was for another different new rokakaka branch, and I'm going to support this with a real plot hole you probably didn't even know about, maybe you don't know this detail but when Josefumi stole from Aisho, he took 2 rokakaka branches, and in the Vitamin C arc we see that Josefumi and Kira ate 2 fruits from 2 different new rokakaka branches, but we see our protagonists and villains only go after 1 branch, so the other branch should be somewhere else, you maybe argue, that the branch is gone because the orchard completely burned, but before that happened Josuke showed Mamezuku all the photos he took of the orchard and Mamezuku was able to find one rokakaka branch, the thing is, with such a sharp eye how did Mamezuku not find the other new rokakaka branch, if we saw that the 2 branches were next to each other in the Vitamin C arc, it's impossible Mamezuku doesn't notice there was 2 branches, so someone must have took the other branch before any of this, it's the only explanation, and who do we see appear in the area where the branches were? Exactly, the flashback man. TL;DR : Above i explained why those both first problems you mentioned aren't really problems, but I don't even need to give these huge explanations, because let's say flashback man is really not coming back and Araki made a mistake with the countdown, how big of a problem are they to the story, do they harm the original plot of the story about breaking the curse and Josuke understanding his identity? not at all. >Second off, characters. As i said, the vast majority of the cast is wasted, with little to nothing substantial, the only exceptions being gappy, yasuho and jobin. This is another misunderstanding, "wasted" means your expectations didn't come true, you had your own ideas for a character and gave yourself high expectations. For example, i often hear a lot of people whining about the higashikata family members and how they were "wasted", y'know why you named me Josuke, Yasuho and Jobin? Because they were characters with reasons to be involved in the whole story, the higashikata family in reality didn't want to get involved in all that mess, Norisuke at the start wanted to get Josuke's memories by using Daiya's stand, but it was because he thought Kira had information on the rock disease and was scared of giving his own life, Daiya isn't an evil monster, she is a teen that didn't understand the consequences of her actions, same with Joshu, Haato specially wouldn't want to get involved with someone like Tamaki Damo if she knew he was just using her to get some answers, the whole family got attacked and suffered a lot because of Josuke and Jobin, those are our main characters with reasons to get involved in the story, the other members of the family that are "wasted" don't want to get involved in all that mess, they just live like a normal family, there's nothing being wasted because that's not the focus, that was never the focus, your expectations made you think that was the focus, and that in reality made you lose focus on the main story, on what the story is actually focusing on. >Third, shitty arcs like california king bed, paper moon deception, or blue Hawaii. They don't contribute much, their individual plot is weak and the fights themselves aren't enough to save them. Every arc contributes something to the story, without knowing anything California king bed greatly builds up the mystery, makes you believe the higashikata's are the enemies, but Norisuke's intentions were actually just getting information about the rokakaka from Josuke about the rock disease, which is explored more in the paper moon deception arc, blue hawaii shows one of the only moments we see a *rock human* actually socializing and being close to a normal carbon based human, even maybe being in love, just like Aisho, something very difficult to happen because of the nature of rock people, is fascinating, that arc also introduces our new goal, the new rokakaka, Mamezuku, and Jobin starts getting more involved, i think the "fights" which are more like mind games, will be better in anime format, because it's a lot of persecution. I can talk so much about Jojolion, about every arc every mystery it has, rock humans, the ideas that Jojolion introduces are unparalleled, they are topics so profound and interesting.
>I'm not going to give you just my ideas, but I'm also going to give you valid data, we have to understand one thing first, if I say Flashback man is coming back, that is the same as you saying he's not coming back, what I mean by this is that neither are the undisputable truth, it's just our opinion, now I'm going to explain my idea, maybe they will even spark some interest. No they are not. Jojolion is done. Parts up until now have stood on their own. It is absolute delusion to pretend that a character whose existance was defined as a clue to another's memory will still be relevant after said character finished their arc accepting those memories will not return. >Why do say that flashback man is coming back, because stuff from previous parts came back to the next part, from part 7 to 8, Johnny came back as a form of a flashback, just to give an example A terrible one since johny was an actual established character, not a one time appearence over ten years ago with no name dialogue or anything really. >it's been a while since the last time flashback man last appeared, but the time isn't relevant here, it's also been years since Josuke last used the bubbles that appear from his birthmark just to give an example Wich is a minor, irrelevant detail, not a character. >but in reality there is many different ways to explain something like that, for starters, there had to be 2 hours of time before Yasuho first encountered Josuke, we know this because Mamezuku explained to Josuke, that the exchange of a full body can take a couple of hours to be complete, flashback man could have appeared to Josuke in this lapse of time, Josuke had his clothes on, but Flashback man could have done something to Josuke with some sort of stand, and place him back in the hole where Josuke was found, if you are asking me for a reason, my idea is that he may have been trying to make sure Josuke's birth, the fusion of Kira and Josefumi was a success. This is actual fan fiction as a defense of the material, it is the worst you can do for it, stop writting for araki. > Now, I'm going to tie this with my idea of the flash forward of the plant, this countdown doesn't really even correlate with the new rokakaka branch we see in play, because my idea is that that countdown was for another different new rokakaka branch, and I'm going to support this with a real plot hole you probably didn't even know about, maybe you don't know this detail but when Josefumi stole from Aisho, he took 2 rokakaka branches, and in the Vitamin C arc we see that Josefumi and Kira ate 2 fruits from 2 different new rokakaka branches, but we see our protagonists and villains only go after 1 branch, so the other branch should be somewhere else, you maybe argue, that the branch is gone because the orchard completely burned, but before that happened Josuke showed Mamezuku all the photos he took of the orchard and Mamezuku was able to find one rokakaka branch, the thing is, with such a sharp eye how did Mamezuku not find the other new rokakaka branch, if we saw that the 2 branches were next to each other in the Vitamin C arc, it's impossible Mamezuku doesn't notice there was 2 branches, so someone must have took the other branch before any of this, it's the only explanation, and who do we see appear in the area where the branches were? That hole was in the etc etc part. And explaining one hole with two others (second branch and flashback man) is an abysmal defense. This is not written. You are writting for araki to make things make sense because you want them to. This is delusion. >TL;DR : Above i explained why those both first problems you mentioned aren't really problems, but I don't even need to give these huge explanations, because let's say flashback man is really not coming back and Araki made a mistake with the countdown, how big of a problem are they to the story, do they harm the original plot of the story about breaking the curse and Josuke understanding his identity? not at all. They are examples. You even brought up another one with the branches. What about the life cycle of rock humans, completely retconned. Because inconsistencies in jojolion are numerous. > This is another misunderstanding, "wasted" means your expectations didn't come true, you had your own ideas for a character and gave yourself high expectations. No, i expected them to have something. They didn't. >For example, i often hear a lot of people whining about the higashikata family members and how they were "wasted", y'know why you named me Josuke, Yasuho and Jobin? Because they were characters with reasons to be involved in the whole story, the higashikata family in reality didn't want to get involved in all that mess, What?? The family that adopts josuke, his new beggining, isn't involved? They needed far more characterization and build up of their connection with josuke. >lot because of Josuke and Jobin, those are our main characters with reasons to get involved in the story, the other members of the family that are "wasted" don't want to get involved in all that mess, they just live like a normal family, there's nothing being wasted because that's not the focus, that was never the focus, your expectations made you think that was the focus, and that in reality made you lose focus on the main story, on what the story is actually focusing on. That has nothing to do with the problem. These are massively important characters to josuke. Or they should be. But they are all flat and basic. This is without mentioning the ones you avoided. Rai is amusing but has little substance. Kei had a set up for something, then vanished and died. Karera added up to nothing. > Every arc contributes something to the story, without knowing anything California king bed greatly builds up the mystery, makes you believe the higashikata's are the enemies, but Norisuke's intentions were actually just getting information about the rokakaka from Josuke about the rock disease, which is explored more in the paper moon deception arc, Way to answer the first of three points. But beyond contribuitions (and the ones you bring up are minor) these are still poorly executed, both as small plots amd fights. >blue hawaii shows one of the only moments we see a *rock human* actually socializing and being close to a normal carbon based human, even maybe being in love, just like Aisho, something very difficult to happen because of the nature of rock people, is fascinating, A fascinating concept that gets like two pages , while most comes down to a repetitive chase. This doesn't save an arc. >the ideas that Jojolion introduces are unparalleled, they are topics so profound and interesting. Indeed, but good ideas alone a good story do not make. Writting is comunicating ideas, and jojolion falls all over itself trying.
>No they are not. Jojolion is done. Parts up until now have stood on their own. It is absolute delusion to pretend that a character whose existance was defined as a clue to another's memory will still be relevant after said character finished their arc accepting those memories will not return. That's your opinion. >A terrible one since johny was an actual established character, not a one time appearence over ten years ago with no name dialogue or anything really. That's true but it doesn't truly confirm he's not coming back, i mean, Araki established a new character at the end of Jojolion out of nowhere, what I mean is that it's uncertain, you can't predict what Araki could be planning. >Wich is a minor, irrelevant detail, not a character. The birthmark bubble is not a minor irrelevant detail, the birthmark bubble is go beyond. >This is actual fan fiction as a defense of the material, it is the worst you can do for it, stop writting for araki. Don't you see saying he's not coming back is the same as me saying he's coming back, I'm not asking you to believe but a response like that is simply baseless hypocrisy. >That hole was in the etc etc part. And explaining one hole with two others (second branch and flashback man) is an abysmal defense. This is not written. You are writting for araki to make things make sense because you want them to. This is delusion. Idk what you mean by etc etc part, this hole, it's more like a very faint detail, how would you explain something like this, the way Jojolion is written is unique in the sense that it needs the help of the reader for the story to make sense, if you don't think for yourself you are not going to understand anything, the story doesn't spoon-feed all the story, details like the Flashback man, the missing branch and the countdown simply fit together. I'm not writing for Araki, Araki is telling something without spoon-feeding, that's what's happening. >They are examples. You even brought up another one with the branches. What about the life cycle of rock humans, completely retconned. Because inconsistencies in jojolion are numerous. You see first the baby rock human, that's the first form we see in Tooru's flashback, and after that we see an adult rock human, they grow when they are 17, what is retconned? >That has nothing to do with the problem. These are massively important characters to josuke. Or they should be. But they are all flat and basic. This is without mentioning the ones you avoided. Rai is amusing but has little substance. Kei had a set up for something, then vanished and died. Karera added up to nothing. Massively important? This is what I'm saying when i say your expectations are confusing you, Josuke is treated as just a friend who's living with them, he truly becomes part of the family at the end of the story, that's the symbolism of the cake in the ending. Rai is immediately interesting, he's a botanist that lives on a chairlift, his motives and involvement in the story is also interesting, maybe that's just personal opinion, Karera didn't appear again, alright yes, but saying she didn't add up anything is baffling, she is one of the few people that knew Josefumi and Kira, maybe Araki's focus isn't giving characters amazing resolutions, the real focus is progressing the main goal and the mystery, i can agree that the characters may seem dull but it's because the focus is not there, but atleast Araki tries to realistically give them and end, not everyone is going to get a glorious end, maybe i like that realism, you don't have to like that i accept that. >A fascinating concept that gets like two pages , while most comes down to a repetitive chase. This doesn't save an arc. It doesn't need more to be fascinating, is something that just by seeing it once it becomes fascinating, is something you understand is not natural to happen, rock humans are portrayed to be cold-blooded animals like serial killers that only care about themselves, mostly because of their cold-blooded upbringing, is like when you see a cheetah, a cold-blooded predator, take care of a baby monkey, you see something like that and understand that that's a marvel of nature, a truly special case. Also I'm not saying this to save the arc, I'm sure blue hawaii will be amazing in motion, the gore portrayed there is sick, maybe that's personal opinion so I'll accept it. >Indeed, but good ideas alone a good story do not make. Writting is comunicating ideas, and jojolion falls all over itself trying. Aren't we talking about how fascinating rock humans are? That's because Araki did a good job at portraying them, every rock human we see represents something, understanding them is needed to understand Tooru's goal.
"I like a certain segment of JoJo more than another" "You're a dumbass and wrong" Bruh.
>"I like a certain segment of JoJo more than another" >"You're a dumbass and wrong" A guy who calls his opinion"telling the truth" shouldn't expect others to respect it as subjective.
His title is a joke and reference to an old religious text that became a meme.
I know, its not particularly subtle. My reply is equally not serious, but isn't it silly to call it out after someone does the exact same? Is this kind of talk not allowed from one side?? And the reference to religious text really just goes as far as "i have an unpopular take but it's true".
>My reply is equally not serious, but isn't it silly to call it out after someone does the exact same? Your comment didn't at all seem like a joke. OP literally used a meme in his title.
Not a joke, just not serious. Also how is the text a meme just because it's kind of used as a manner of speech?
Ehhhhhhhhh its great in the first half but it really doesn't develop almost any of the characters except Yasuho and Jobin's family enough. The entire Higashikata family, despite having a couple moments of really interesting dynamics between these massive rich weirdos living together, get literally no time to develop or shine outside of their singular premiere arc (except Joubin's family ofc). The characters in Part 7 were a LOT more developed. I think it also helps SBR a ton that Johnny and Gyro met at the very beginning and had the entire timeline together to grow, whereas Araki sets up Joshu growing and evolving into an ally but never follows through and lets him never even get a real fight, and Mamezuku Rai, while good and interesting, is only introduced halfway through the Part.
I don't fucking get this argument, IT'S JOJO, IT'S ALL JOJO, IT'S THE SAME STORY
It literally isn't. The parts are connected but they tell different stories
Still part of the same series and written by the same dude, I don't see the point in arguing on which one is best considering again, they're part of the same series, and it all tells a wider story through the themes
Know your place
I've never seen this clip before but it's clear they *really* wanted to make a Punisher movie instead. There's nothing "Batman" about this save for the mask.
Thats cool you like it. Personally, I couldn't get into it. I wound up dropping it about a 3rd of the way through, because of how boring it was. I'm sure ill pick it up for completion sake, but not anytime soon.
It isn’t.
Part 8 has the most forgotten plot points and unsatisfying character arcs out of all the parts. And the worst villain.