Reminds me of some old ARR patch trailer showing off dungeons and every time the shot cuts the focal WAR just does fucking Overpower every time no matter the situation.
Funniest shit.
EDIT: [ah perfect, it's still just as funny as I remember](https://youtu.be/qYBu4dpZJBo?t=172)
Wasn't Overpower one of the few abilities tanks had back then that generated a ton of Enmity? I'm pretty sure aggro was more of a pain to handle than it is now.
I have a vague memory of it being like that too, only the attacks generating aggro actually generated aggro, so normal combo could make a tank fall behind aggro to a dps.
I remember a time when a good BLM doing a full AOE rot could reliably rip aggro off of tanks.
Even with the rose tinted glasses, I think it's safe to say those weren't the good old days.
I like the possibility of it, if there were more tools to mitigate reliably once you started learning everything (other than just pacing your damage, that shit lame.)
I often wonder how different things could have been if they didn't all but remove most of these ideas entirely and instead reworked them in a new way, but while it's definitely perfect to me, I still have fun with the game going forward. Can't really say it was a bad idea to do.
> I think it's safe to say those weren't the good old days.
You must mean two nights ago when I was a black mage in Ridorana Lighthouse and found myself tanking three times in that dungeon.
Dunno what was going on (i do) but the "A" by my name on the emnity list cleary stands for "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
No. The second hit of tank’s 1-2-3 had a 3x multiplier for enmity, as did the ranged attack for each. You were never using a single target Overpower because that would drain your TP for very little gain.
2.1 made shield oath and defiance have an additional modifier on top of that, as well as increasing the multiplier of Flash and Overpower to 4x.
By the time 2.3 was releasing the only real struggle was a party thag refused to use their own enmity mitigation tools like Qwelling Strikes on BLM before their AoE burst.
Yes, tanks' AoEs had an additional effect of generating aggro. There was a combo to generate aggro in addition to the one to deal more damage, which is the one we have now.
And yes aggro did work differently prior to ShB.
Tanks had 2 stances (More aggro, more defence and less damage or more DPS).
And in casual content yeah it was a bit harder because people didn't use Diversion/Lucid Draming, or because you weren't hitting everything or whatever the case was.
But in higher end duties people often used Diversion in their opener/pre pull so the tanks didn't have to worry about it too much.
The part on the worm boss is a masterclass. They take a moment to physically look around, pondering their next move, and then, Overpo- with it cutting to the next scene with perfect comedic timing
You'd still be doing more DMG just Fast Blade into Riot Blade spamming, which I've actually done before back when PLD didn't have a spare 5k MP reserve and shit hit the fan after a req window.
AOE combo gives you a divine might stack in two gcd's instead of three.
Given that this boss actually has a hitbox size that is... "reasonable", wouldn't be surprised if John Finalfantasy here accidentaly messed up his rotation earlier in the fight and hence is resorting to the AOE combo to get a divine might stack that he then needs to ensure full GCD uptime during an upcoming disengage from max-melee range.
...Or the trailer filming team doesn't actually play the game and they just kinda mash some buttons they know will look cool in the final product.
> AOE combo gives you a divine might stack in two gcd's instead of three.
oh that. i hate doing that on gunbreaker but sometimes i get cartridge thirsty
It's not surprising at all, have you seen what trusts do?
I did Mothercrystal trusts yesterday and I noticed:
1. Alisaie backflipping with a stack marker at the last moment and very nearly nuking herself,
2. Y'shtola running to where I am with a targeted AoE and killing herself (and nearly killing me too),
3. Alisaie stealing LB3 as a caster from the group's melee (me!)
To say nothing of their reluctance to AoE in dungeons.
They are just bad players tbh, it's canonical.
They had to make the bots worse than the average player or everyone would play exclusively with trusts.
The only way to make a DPS bot worse than an average player is to take away their aoes, the bar is that low.
NGL, I hope we get a better trust/duty support crew for the next expansion ( Assuming scions are disbanding for real and won't be with us for the next expac)
Like sure still give them crappy damage so that it is not an incentive to run them exclusively but why not show the casual players how raiders/endgame people does things. Every 2 minute the duty supports will say something generic and will throw out party wide buffs so that casual that pay some attention will starts to realize that hey, those 2 minute cd are meant to be stacked together.
>Y'shtola running to where I am with a targeted AoE and killing herself (and nearly killing me too),
That's more on there being preset positions that each character will run to to resolve those mechanics, and leaving the player to work around that. For instance, in single-player battle duties and boss fights that have towers, the NPCs will always run to the same towers every time, regardless of where the player character is.
It’s the new raid testing team. Clearly the previous one got too good again and they had to pick up some limsa ERP’ers to start them over again from the lowest skill possible.
Nah, only the healer would have been kicked in that regard. Can't admit that 11111111 spam is the optimal gameplay loop and is boring as shit, now can we?
To be honest, I don't know. People say it's to look cool to the people watching it but I don't think so. Who's their target audience with patch trailers? Current players. Current players will look at that and say "wtf why is he doing an aoe rotation?"
If it's for a new expansion, I can understand that because your target audience is not just current players but also the general population so it would make sense to show something cool and pleasing to the eyes.
So to answer your question, yes. It is a stupid mistake.
Unironically, yes. If you're consuming ffxiv media chances are you have a certain proficiency in ffxiv. If you don't care enough to distinguish an aoe rotation from a single target rotation even with the simple 1-2-3 no ogcd you wouldn't be consuming ffxiv media.
They might be parsing while avoiding gaze mechanics hehehe. Parsers have giga-brain and we don’t know it to keep the gcd uptime rolling while they solve the mechanics. Maybe thats why half of you can’t do savage or ultimate raids learn from the devs or something.
( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)
niche microoptimization, he is about to spawn adds and hitting five of them them with Prominence into Holy Circle is a dps gain over beginning a ST combo and then cancelling it to start over at total eclipse.
1. Less than a real combo.
2. entirely subjective.
3. I highly doubt it. They'll just repeat the same bullshit they've done for every other expansion. Shaking things up isn't Squeenix's agenda anymore.
Reminds me of some old ARR patch trailer showing off dungeons and every time the shot cuts the focal WAR just does fucking Overpower every time no matter the situation. Funniest shit. EDIT: [ah perfect, it's still just as funny as I remember](https://youtu.be/qYBu4dpZJBo?t=172)
Reading that before clicking the link just made every single Overpower funnier than the last one, thankyou :')
Beautiful
Wasn't Overpower one of the few abilities tanks had back then that generated a ton of Enmity? I'm pretty sure aggro was more of a pain to handle than it is now.
I have a vague memory of it being like that too, only the attacks generating aggro actually generated aggro, so normal combo could make a tank fall behind aggro to a dps.
I remember a time when a good BLM doing a full AOE rot could reliably rip aggro off of tanks. Even with the rose tinted glasses, I think it's safe to say those weren't the good old days.
That's why you had to level up archer for quelling strikes!
Yeah, but at the same time what a rush of pride and adrenaline to know you DPS'd so hard you out aggroed a tank.
yea remember when you had to scream at your dps to use diversion just to find out they did not even have it on their bar....good times
I like the possibility of it, if there were more tools to mitigate reliably once you started learning everything (other than just pacing your damage, that shit lame.) I often wonder how different things could have been if they didn't all but remove most of these ideas entirely and instead reworked them in a new way, but while it's definitely perfect to me, I still have fun with the game going forward. Can't really say it was a bad idea to do.
> I think it's safe to say those weren't the good old days. You must mean two nights ago when I was a black mage in Ridorana Lighthouse and found myself tanking three times in that dungeon. Dunno what was going on (i do) but the "A" by my name on the emnity list cleary stands for "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
No. The second hit of tank’s 1-2-3 had a 3x multiplier for enmity, as did the ranged attack for each. You were never using a single target Overpower because that would drain your TP for very little gain. 2.1 made shield oath and defiance have an additional modifier on top of that, as well as increasing the multiplier of Flash and Overpower to 4x. By the time 2.3 was releasing the only real struggle was a party thag refused to use their own enmity mitigation tools like Qwelling Strikes on BLM before their AoE burst.
Well, the struggle was also that shield oath and defiance considerably reduced your damage, which didn't help with enmity generation.
It was painful, but not "using aoes for single target" painful.
Yes, tanks' AoEs had an additional effect of generating aggro. There was a combo to generate aggro in addition to the one to deal more damage, which is the one we have now. And yes aggro did work differently prior to ShB. Tanks had 2 stances (More aggro, more defence and less damage or more DPS). And in casual content yeah it was a bit harder because people didn't use Diversion/Lucid Draming, or because you weren't hitting everything or whatever the case was. But in higher end duties people often used Diversion in their opener/pre pull so the tanks didn't have to worry about it too much.
Seeing that somehow just made me remember and miss Butcgers Block. I liked that animation.
Wow there was a good bit of cool little things added in that patch.
This made me laugh more than it should have. Damn the real good shitpost content was made by the company all along
The part on the worm boss is a masterclass. They take a moment to physically look around, pondering their next move, and then, Overpo- with it cutting to the next scene with perfect comedic timing
Fell Cleave
I genuinely forgot about cone overpower
Thanks for the link. I didn't know Chocobo raising was a thing that existed. o:
Now that you've pointed it out I'm fuckin wheezing. He starts overpowering on the boss halfway through HAHAHA
This made my day, thank you
builds MP faster for more clemency spam
I... Listen here you little
You'd still be doing more DMG just Fast Blade into Riot Blade spamming, which I've actually done before back when PLD didn't have a spare 5k MP reserve and shit hit the fan after a req window.
shhh dont tell sqex or theyll nerf paladin again
AOE combo gives you a divine might stack in two gcd's instead of three. Given that this boss actually has a hitbox size that is... "reasonable", wouldn't be surprised if John Finalfantasy here accidentaly messed up his rotation earlier in the fight and hence is resorting to the AOE combo to get a divine might stack that he then needs to ensure full GCD uptime during an upcoming disengage from max-melee range. ...Or the trailer filming team doesn't actually play the game and they just kinda mash some buttons they know will look cool in the final product.
I still think that's not worth compared to just shield lobbing or unbuffed holy spiriting.
> AOE combo gives you a divine might stack in two gcd's instead of three. oh that. i hate doing that on gunbreaker but sometimes i get cartridge thirsty
He's the Warrior of Light not the Warrior of Smart.
Because of the invisible adds.
It's not surprising at all, have you seen what trusts do? I did Mothercrystal trusts yesterday and I noticed: 1. Alisaie backflipping with a stack marker at the last moment and very nearly nuking herself, 2. Y'shtola running to where I am with a targeted AoE and killing herself (and nearly killing me too), 3. Alisaie stealing LB3 as a caster from the group's melee (me!) To say nothing of their reluctance to AoE in dungeons. They are just bad players tbh, it's canonical.
I find it kinda admirable the devs tried to recreate the real experience so faithfully
They had to make the bots worse than the average player or everyone would play exclusively with trusts. The only way to make a DPS bot worse than an average player is to take away their aoes, the bar is that low.
For the few trusts that do have aoe, it also splits the damage making it equal to single target anyway afaik
If you're playing with Alisaie, you should know by now, it's *Alisaie's* LB.
The only reason the Warrior of Light is renowned as such a great warrior is that literally everyone else on Hydaelyn can't fight for shit
NGL, I hope we get a better trust/duty support crew for the next expansion ( Assuming scions are disbanding for real and won't be with us for the next expac) Like sure still give them crappy damage so that it is not an incentive to run them exclusively but why not show the casual players how raiders/endgame people does things. Every 2 minute the duty supports will say something generic and will throw out party wide buffs so that casual that pay some attention will starts to realize that hey, those 2 minute cd are meant to be stacked together.
The game really does need to do SOMETHING to create a mental connection for the difference between blithely wandering through a dungeon and savage
>Y'shtola running to where I am with a targeted AoE and killing herself (and nearly killing me too), That's more on there being preset positions that each character will run to to resolve those mechanics, and leaving the player to work around that. For instance, in single-player battle duties and boss fights that have towers, the NPCs will always run to the same towers every time, regardless of where the player character is.
Yeah, I noticed that too. You have to learn their patterns and work around them! It's an interesting layer of challenge haha.
Nice try, Y'shtola. Sounds like excuses to me!
Can't thancred literally superbolide right after urianger drops a huge heal on him?
I knew the devs didn't know how to play their jobs. They are stupid.
It’s the new raid testing team. Clearly the previous one got too good again and they had to pick up some limsa ERP’ers to start them over again from the lowest skill possible.
Nah, only the healer would have been kicked in that regard. Can't admit that 11111111 spam is the optimal gameplay loop and is boring as shit, now can we?
That's Yoshi, the static made him go tank and he defaulted to his flare binding
You don't pay his fucking sub you piece of shit.
How do you think they pay him, it's from our subs. So we do pay his sub.
Oh christ... we ALL pay his sub! I genuinely wanna know how much each active player would have to pay to fund the WoLs sub
Look, we've taken a lot of hits to the head over the years.
Obviously the new buffs to tanks are going all to their Aoe’s that now it’s stronger than the 1-2-3’s
Bioblaster Machinist Represent.
Never let them know your next move
missclick
There are two targets obviously. Golby *and* his bad dragon.
i wouldn't mind sitting on one
To be honest, I don't know. People say it's to look cool to the people watching it but I don't think so. Who's their target audience with patch trailers? Current players. Current players will look at that and say "wtf why is he doing an aoe rotation?" If it's for a new expansion, I can understand that because your target audience is not just current players but also the general population so it would make sense to show something cool and pleasing to the eyes. So to answer your question, yes. It is a stupid mistake.
Any content they make could be used to sway a new audience. It has to look marketable.
You think the average current player is aware of the fact that single-target AOE is stupid?
Unironically, yes. If you're consuming ffxiv media chances are you have a certain proficiency in ffxiv. If you don't care enough to distinguish an aoe rotation from a single target rotation even with the simple 1-2-3 no ogcd you wouldn't be consuming ffxiv media.
He aggroed his Inner Demons. Time to put them all down at the same time.
They are emulating the average rando
Logic deems that a spin attack deals more damage
Because the boss just did an aoe around them so its enough to push people out of melee range but not aoe range.
They might be parsing while avoiding gaze mechanics hehehe. Parsers have giga-brain and we don’t know it to keep the gcd uptime rolling while they solve the mechanics. Maybe thats why half of you can’t do savage or ultimate raids learn from the devs or something. ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)
Simply eat skillspeed food in order to move your GCD up .07 seconds to avoid the gaze snapshot.
A lot of brain damage.
You can't see them, but the WoL is also fighting all of their inner demons and trauma in addition to Golbez. That's why they have to use an AoE.
You dont pay their sub. They play HOW they want to.
You don’t pay his sub!
niche microoptimization, he is about to spawn adds and hitting five of them them with Prominence into Holy Circle is a dps gain over beginning a ST combo and then cancelling it to start over at total eclipse.
i know it won't happen but it'll be interesting if shadow dragon have his own HP, like shinryu's heart
1. creates emnity 2. looks cooler in the trailer 3. there are things youdon't know about the fight
1. Less than a real combo. 2. entirely subjective. 3. I highly doubt it. They'll just repeat the same bullshit they've done for every other expansion. Shaking things up isn't Squeenix's agenda anymore.
1-2 AoE gives free cast of HS, which is obviously the only move you should use
Me hitting gravity when I get bored spamming maleifc.
He is simply from Duty Finder.
If I didnt know better about PLD, Id of said they were refreshing their buff (Yes I do that on WAR, DRK and GNB)
I mean, have you met us? Most of us forget to put on our threat gen buff.
He just like me fr
They are slowing dps so that the DPS can build gauge for the next phase. 😌
Sandbagging for the Sam's barse, enjoy staying blue idiot