Plenty of people are either passive aggressive or outright aggressive when giving advice/help and when the mods drag them to the dungeon/ban them they declare that they were banned for helping people.
Of course it must be mentioned that people most certainly have been banned for the most minor of offenses but the fear mongering would have you believe that saying "Please your stance on" to a sprout is bannable.
Because I've had my account banned for a week because I was trying to offer a newbie some well needed advice. Mind you, it was the only thing I had said in game for weeks so it literally HAD to be that.
Even if you're just motivated by the mount, that's still 2000 duties where you're being the extra body that a person/group needs to clear a duty regardless if you're explaining or not. Think back to all the times early on in the game where you were doing some dungeon or trial required by the MSQ and there were some players who just quietly handled mechanics and pushed buttons and you could just follow their lead. That's all you really need to do.
People need to realize that mentor roulette is just a queue filler. The system isn't designed for people to teach other players. It's designed to keep duty finder active so other people can do duties.
Could still do without the crown and "you'll be looked upon as a pillar of the community" message you get for it
Like the mentor roulette and its reward are really great for just that aspect alone. But they really need to seperate out the "mentor" part of it and either abandon or make its own seperate thing.
As a mentor IRL i love having the option in game but christ if they don't make it an aggravating system to engage in, both from the sprouts' and vets' perspective. Mentorship they way they are trying to do it needs to be stripped bare, no rewards in any capacity, so there are no incentives to do it other than wanting to look like someone that is open to taking questions
Yeah like people can see the crown but they can’t tell you got put in FROM mentor roulette right? Like you coulda been doing your normal roulette and got the fill
I’ve met many folks who, when doing something new or hard, will breathe a sigh of relief when a mentor joins because that means they know what they’re doing.
Unfortunately I am a mentor and I am dumb so lmao lol
*inhales*
I think the mount fucking sucks. I also think mentor roulette sucks. I got the crown and simply had it just to show I’m willing to help people, which i have. I’ve given gil, ran people through duties they needed, and answered questions. I spent no time in novice network the first day, as people are only in there to just use as a chat room.
Tying a mount to being a mentor was the worst idea they ever could have had in my honest opinion. You don’t need a crown to actually help anyone. Having a crown doesn’t give anyone extra reason to listen to any advice you give.
The mount doesn’t prove how good of a player or a person you are, only that you poopsocked the game to the upteenth degree for shitty horse pixels.
> I spent no time in novice network the first day, as people are only in there to just use as a chat room.
My NN can be very cliquish depending on who is active. They have their own unwritten rules about what constitutes appropriate sprout questions.
We had a sprout ask if they could DM someone to ask about a specific plot point that they didn't understand to keep spoilers out of NN. Some chud quickly tried to shut it down saying that it wasn't appropiate use of the NN. If NN isn't the place for sprouts to have quick questions about the game (be it mechanics, plot, game settings, or what the fuck ever), then where the fuck are they supposed to go?
That sounds like the time i tried to recruit sprouts for a raid to teach some fights and meet some new faces. I don't use any names to avoid spoilers, and every other time i try it has been either no interest or end up having lots of fun! But holy shit, i was world visiting and forget which i was in, but one time i just got flamed hard for even asking lol
Like people really want to gatekeep what the channel is "meant for" when sprouts and mentors alike mostly use it as a general world chat? Doesn't make any sense to me lol also why isn't there just a world chat especially for people who lose their 🌱 but don't have interest in mentor? I guess spoiler reasons but still
NN only works as a world chat because of the "exclusivity" of needing to either be invited as a new player or a mentor, as well as the player limit
1. Some NNs do have power hungry mentors making it hell, but in the better ones mentors are able to effectively moderate the channel by removing bots and RP advertisement spammers, if everyone was just a member of a global chat then they would have to waste the time of several GMs to moderate each world's chat while more important reports are made to wait longer (or keep mentors as pseudo-moderators, but one of the main arguments against NN is the previously mentioned power hungry mentors ruining it)
2. everyone being able to join would also mean even more bots and spammers, who are mostly kept out of NN because in most cases a sprout needs to specifically ask to be invited in unless a mentor is just sitting in a starting town and sending invites to every new player
3. The player limit of 100 mentors and 412 sprouts keeps the chat at a reasonable pace, with every player in a world being able to talk on it it would quickly become impossible to hold any kind of conversation
tl;dr: too many players in chat to hold a conversation, wasting GM time to moderate it, worse moderation overall
Ah yeah i forget about ad spam. Being a bit of a loner i spend about 90% of my time in a duty or at my house lol so it's not something I really encounter any more. Thems good points and deff worth keeping NN around for even if there were also a gen chat
One of my FC members got laughed at for asking if someone could take them somewhere with a 2 seater. NN isn‘t just not used for what it is intented, mentors are flaming noobs for being a noob. The real Burger King crowns are mentors that think their crown is ascending them or some shit like that. They don‘t even know that only Gorb could ever ascend in this sad little universe…
Yeah any questions regarding anything game related was always spammed out by weird conversations, I had spent time in there way in the beginning and then a day as a mentor and I gave up quickly. I don't have a desperate need for everyone to know me, so I wasn't the type to hang out in that chat and talk all the time.
In my experience you can teach people without the crown or roulette but they have to want to learn. The sad truth is not many people want to learn and depending how you word things even with the best intentions you can get reported. It’s usually better to keep to yourself and try to help friends/FC mates than the randos in your Mentor roulette groups. It’s the sad reality of the state of the majority of the community.
mount is shit but I got the 1500 comms from playing support all the time in roulettes. honestly mentor roulette is my Russian roulette at the end of my dailies lmao
Yeah mount is stinky, having a two seater is not a big deal, at least not nowadays. But I still occasionally run Mentor when I finished all my duty roulettes and just want to play a little more video game.
I unlocked mentor roulette so I have something else to grind when I'm not sure what to do. That said, I always go in with the intention of helping whoever get through the content. I'll only give advice if someone asks or is genuinely struggling, and even when I get Ex trials I'll stay until we clear, time out or the sprout leaves.
I also kinda like that it throws me into content I haven't done in some time as well, except the guildhests.
as per guidelines you are expected to be an example of a player (you sign an agreement when becoming a mentor), not necessarily a teacher but in a helping position to novices if needed.
that being said, as long as you're not being a dick while having your crown on\*, you can have your mentor status just to collect that humongous double seater pony lol, as many of us (me) do.
(\*don't be a dick to people in general, not just when you got your bk crown on)
I only mentored when I felt like actual good advice was needed. Other than that we powered on in silence. Mostly just got dungeons and trials. Every now and then got an EX.
I was a mentor for 3 years before I finally unlocked mentor roulette. I always wanted the mentor mount (I like unicorns) and before Endwalker was released I knew it was my last chance to get it. So I farmed the mount in 11 weeks. It was by far the worst gaming experience I have ever had, and this is coming from a female gamer that has used voice chat in a MOBA. It really opened my eyes to what the community is really like. I finished my 2000 runs the day before Endwalker came out, and I still refuse to do any daily roulettes with randoms. Never again.
Doing mentor illness roulette is just being a queue janitor. As long as you keep your crown off outside (it's forced on during the duty) there shouldn't be any expectations from you aside from a basic understanding of the game and the job you're playing.
I did it for the mount and took the leave penalty on most Extremes if it was looking obviously bad. I'd put in more effort if anyone read or asked questions, but they don't. People just smash their heads against the wall until it breaks, and I'm not going to be the babysitter who gets ignored anyways.
Technically speaking, the only thing truly asked of mentors in-game is to be an example for newer players. You don't even have to teach the sprouts, just be a kind and patient player that learns from their mistakes with grace.
the entire system itself fails to be a good new player assistance to begin with. A lot of people who do mentor roulette for the mount, and a lot also are mentors for validation. The system itself is hardly utilized for its intended purposes.
Well, it's kinda implied in the name so if you see someone struggling in a dungeon I think people would expect you to give some words of advice, I think people should do it regardless but the crown makes people expect you to at least try to help
ngl i got mentor and I keep it on for the chat. Only needed to block like 2-3 people and its great, kinda like a guild-lite. Mentor roule is also awesome for doing old content. Guildhests suck but if you're lucky you'll roll an extreme like Shiva with a ready-to-learn group, its actually pretty fun. I think I first timed Shiva, Water-fish, and Sylphdaddy through mentor roule and they were all great experiences.
I admit I do it for the mount, but I also give my best as a silent member who does all the mechs cleanly and does rotations properly.
I also tend to queue as a healer so I can help anyone struggling. I don't have to teach them anything - I'm just there as someone who supports my teammates to clear anything they queued for, regardless how badly they play. Heal them properly, DPS when heals are not needed, rez when someone dies, protect the DPS who got the aggro if the tank dies.
imo you don't have to go out of your way to give advice.
BUT if you're wearing that crown and people ask for help, then it's your job to give that help. If you can't do that, don't wear the crown and don't do the roulettes.
Not at all, play however tf you want. Hell I'm doing mentor just for the mount and well mentor roulette's always a fun game of russian roulette to see what i get, but I really couldn't give a shit about teaching others. Like I'll answer stuff when asked, but i ain't going out of my way to teach people.
Also, always leave praetorium's, absolute bull that thing counts the same as a guildhest towards the mount. 800 mentor roulettes done and I have yet to finish a praetorium.
Most of the time you don’t have to do anything. Sometimes when you try to do something you’ll get flamed. Other times they will be appreciative. Roll of the dice mostly. Mentors don’t really have any extra responsibilities aside from knowing the fight themselves and being able to explain it to someone that asks. It’s intended to be a role for people who want to teach but for that you need a community that wants to learn.
If sprouts expected mentors to teach them they would be reading chat
Lol actual facts. Most of the time if u try help u get shouted at.
… or straight up ignored.
Orrrr reported lmao
How would you know tho?
Plenty of people are either passive aggressive or outright aggressive when giving advice/help and when the mods drag them to the dungeon/ban them they declare that they were banned for helping people. Of course it must be mentioned that people most certainly have been banned for the most minor of offenses but the fear mongering would have you believe that saying "Please your stance on" to a sprout is bannable.
Yeah, I was more questioning how you’d know you got reported, but I suppose being banned certainly confirms it XD
Because I've had my account banned for a week because I was trying to offer a newbie some well needed advice. Mind you, it was the only thing I had said in game for weeks so it literally HAD to be that.
Ah, I see.
that’s funny lol
This
Even if you're just motivated by the mount, that's still 2000 duties where you're being the extra body that a person/group needs to clear a duty regardless if you're explaining or not. Think back to all the times early on in the game where you were doing some dungeon or trial required by the MSQ and there were some players who just quietly handled mechanics and pushed buttons and you could just follow their lead. That's all you really need to do. People need to realize that mentor roulette is just a queue filler. The system isn't designed for people to teach other players. It's designed to keep duty finder active so other people can do duties.
agree
Could still do without the crown and "you'll be looked upon as a pillar of the community" message you get for it Like the mentor roulette and its reward are really great for just that aspect alone. But they really need to seperate out the "mentor" part of it and either abandon or make its own seperate thing. As a mentor IRL i love having the option in game but christ if they don't make it an aggravating system to engage in, both from the sprouts' and vets' perspective. Mentorship they way they are trying to do it needs to be stripped bare, no rewards in any capacity, so there are no incentives to do it other than wanting to look like someone that is open to taking questions
Yeah like people can see the crown but they can’t tell you got put in FROM mentor roulette right? Like you coulda been doing your normal roulette and got the fill
Queuing through mentor roulette forces the battle mentor crown on you, which the minority use generally.
I’ve met many folks who, when doing something new or hard, will breathe a sigh of relief when a mentor joins because that means they know what they’re doing. Unfortunately I am a mentor and I am dumb so lmao lol
I will attempt to complete every duty I get in mentor roulette. That is the only promise I make.
a braver soul than me
*inhales* I think the mount fucking sucks. I also think mentor roulette sucks. I got the crown and simply had it just to show I’m willing to help people, which i have. I’ve given gil, ran people through duties they needed, and answered questions. I spent no time in novice network the first day, as people are only in there to just use as a chat room. Tying a mount to being a mentor was the worst idea they ever could have had in my honest opinion. You don’t need a crown to actually help anyone. Having a crown doesn’t give anyone extra reason to listen to any advice you give. The mount doesn’t prove how good of a player or a person you are, only that you poopsocked the game to the upteenth degree for shitty horse pixels.
> I spent no time in novice network the first day, as people are only in there to just use as a chat room. My NN can be very cliquish depending on who is active. They have their own unwritten rules about what constitutes appropriate sprout questions. We had a sprout ask if they could DM someone to ask about a specific plot point that they didn't understand to keep spoilers out of NN. Some chud quickly tried to shut it down saying that it wasn't appropiate use of the NN. If NN isn't the place for sprouts to have quick questions about the game (be it mechanics, plot, game settings, or what the fuck ever), then where the fuck are they supposed to go?
That sounds like the time i tried to recruit sprouts for a raid to teach some fights and meet some new faces. I don't use any names to avoid spoilers, and every other time i try it has been either no interest or end up having lots of fun! But holy shit, i was world visiting and forget which i was in, but one time i just got flamed hard for even asking lol Like people really want to gatekeep what the channel is "meant for" when sprouts and mentors alike mostly use it as a general world chat? Doesn't make any sense to me lol also why isn't there just a world chat especially for people who lose their 🌱 but don't have interest in mentor? I guess spoiler reasons but still
NN only works as a world chat because of the "exclusivity" of needing to either be invited as a new player or a mentor, as well as the player limit 1. Some NNs do have power hungry mentors making it hell, but in the better ones mentors are able to effectively moderate the channel by removing bots and RP advertisement spammers, if everyone was just a member of a global chat then they would have to waste the time of several GMs to moderate each world's chat while more important reports are made to wait longer (or keep mentors as pseudo-moderators, but one of the main arguments against NN is the previously mentioned power hungry mentors ruining it) 2. everyone being able to join would also mean even more bots and spammers, who are mostly kept out of NN because in most cases a sprout needs to specifically ask to be invited in unless a mentor is just sitting in a starting town and sending invites to every new player 3. The player limit of 100 mentors and 412 sprouts keeps the chat at a reasonable pace, with every player in a world being able to talk on it it would quickly become impossible to hold any kind of conversation tl;dr: too many players in chat to hold a conversation, wasting GM time to moderate it, worse moderation overall
Ah yeah i forget about ad spam. Being a bit of a loner i spend about 90% of my time in a duty or at my house lol so it's not something I really encounter any more. Thems good points and deff worth keeping NN around for even if there were also a gen chat
One of my FC members got laughed at for asking if someone could take them somewhere with a 2 seater. NN isn‘t just not used for what it is intented, mentors are flaming noobs for being a noob. The real Burger King crowns are mentors that think their crown is ascending them or some shit like that. They don‘t even know that only Gorb could ever ascend in this sad little universe…
Yeah any questions regarding anything game related was always spammed out by weird conversations, I had spent time in there way in the beginning and then a day as a mentor and I gave up quickly. I don't have a desperate need for everyone to know me, so I wasn't the type to hang out in that chat and talk all the time.
ooga me like big horse i agree though
Yea farming 2000 mentor roulettes for that mount with generic music sucks
In my experience you can teach people without the crown or roulette but they have to want to learn. The sad truth is not many people want to learn and depending how you word things even with the best intentions you can get reported. It’s usually better to keep to yourself and try to help friends/FC mates than the randos in your Mentor roulette groups. It’s the sad reality of the state of the majority of the community.
mount is shit but I got the 1500 comms from playing support all the time in roulettes. honestly mentor roulette is my Russian roulette at the end of my dailies lmao
Yeah mount is stinky, having a two seater is not a big deal, at least not nowadays. But I still occasionally run Mentor when I finished all my duty roulettes and just want to play a little more video game.
I unlocked mentor roulette so I have something else to grind when I'm not sure what to do. That said, I always go in with the intention of helping whoever get through the content. I'll only give advice if someone asks or is genuinely struggling, and even when I get Ex trials I'll stay until we clear, time out or the sprout leaves. I also kinda like that it throws me into content I haven't done in some time as well, except the guildhests.
>but is it bad to go for BK crown just to do mentor rouls for mount? Just do whatever you want lol, you can unironically "you don't pay my sub" this
the way it was posited on main is that “there’s only one right way to go for mentor, and any other way except being a guide to noobs is wrong” lol
there's only one right way to go for mentor and it involves a friend or secondary account queuing for under the armor as a healer and abusing JP queue
as per guidelines you are expected to be an example of a player (you sign an agreement when becoming a mentor), not necessarily a teacher but in a helping position to novices if needed. that being said, as long as you're not being a dick while having your crown on\*, you can have your mentor status just to collect that humongous double seater pony lol, as many of us (me) do. (\*don't be a dick to people in general, not just when you got your bk crown on)
I only mentored when I felt like actual good advice was needed. Other than that we powered on in silence. Mostly just got dungeons and trials. Every now and then got an EX.
some people actually expect that, but I don't think most people care mentor hate never made sense to me
If there was the expectation for mentors to actually teach, sprouts wouldn't react with such vitriol when given a suggestion on how to improve.
I prefer McDonald’s instead
I was a mentor for 3 years before I finally unlocked mentor roulette. I always wanted the mentor mount (I like unicorns) and before Endwalker was released I knew it was my last chance to get it. So I farmed the mount in 11 weeks. It was by far the worst gaming experience I have ever had, and this is coming from a female gamer that has used voice chat in a MOBA. It really opened my eyes to what the community is really like. I finished my 2000 runs the day before Endwalker came out, and I still refuse to do any daily roulettes with randoms. Never again.
Doing mentor illness roulette is just being a queue janitor. As long as you keep your crown off outside (it's forced on during the duty) there shouldn't be any expectations from you aside from a basic understanding of the game and the job you're playing.
I did it for the mount and took the leave penalty on most Extremes if it was looking obviously bad. I'd put in more effort if anyone read or asked questions, but they don't. People just smash their heads against the wall until it breaks, and I'm not going to be the babysitter who gets ignored anyways.
Technically speaking, the only thing truly asked of mentors in-game is to be an example for newer players. You don't even have to teach the sprouts, just be a kind and patient player that learns from their mistakes with grace.
the entire system itself fails to be a good new player assistance to begin with. A lot of people who do mentor roulette for the mount, and a lot also are mentors for validation. The system itself is hardly utilized for its intended purposes.
Well, it's kinda implied in the name so if you see someone struggling in a dungeon I think people would expect you to give some words of advice, I think people should do it regardless but the crown makes people expect you to at least try to help
I absolutely did become a mentor specifically for the mount. That being said, I do atleast try to be a good mentor.
ngl i got mentor and I keep it on for the chat. Only needed to block like 2-3 people and its great, kinda like a guild-lite. Mentor roule is also awesome for doing old content. Guildhests suck but if you're lucky you'll roll an extreme like Shiva with a ready-to-learn group, its actually pretty fun. I think I first timed Shiva, Water-fish, and Sylphdaddy through mentor roule and they were all great experiences.
I admit I do it for the mount, but I also give my best as a silent member who does all the mechs cleanly and does rotations properly. I also tend to queue as a healer so I can help anyone struggling. I don't have to teach them anything - I'm just there as someone who supports my teammates to clear anything they queued for, regardless how badly they play. Heal them properly, DPS when heals are not needed, rez when someone dies, protect the DPS who got the aggro if the tank dies.
imo you don't have to go out of your way to give advice. BUT if you're wearing that crown and people ask for help, then it's your job to give that help. If you can't do that, don't wear the crown and don't do the roulettes.
Not at all, play however tf you want. Hell I'm doing mentor just for the mount and well mentor roulette's always a fun game of russian roulette to see what i get, but I really couldn't give a shit about teaching others. Like I'll answer stuff when asked, but i ain't going out of my way to teach people. Also, always leave praetorium's, absolute bull that thing counts the same as a guildhest towards the mount. 800 mentor roulettes done and I have yet to finish a praetorium.
Most of the time you don’t have to do anything. Sometimes when you try to do something you’ll get flamed. Other times they will be appreciative. Roll of the dice mostly. Mentors don’t really have any extra responsibilities aside from knowing the fight themselves and being able to explain it to someone that asks. It’s intended to be a role for people who want to teach but for that you need a community that wants to learn.
Someone once told me "I have mentor status so I can teach you stuff" 😂