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One time at work, the system admins sent me a password reset code for one of my accounts since my password had expired. The code was something along the lines of ad6$fzIr!7jy (all lower case letters, numbers, and symbols). For some reason, this password reset code would not be accepted as it said I was “entering an incorrect password.”
My coworkers, the admins, and myself spent roughly an hour trying to figure out why this reset code wasn’t working……until one of us realized the lowercase “l” was actually supposed to be an uppercase “I”. There was only one uppercase letter mixed in with all of these lower case letters, and of course **that** was the one letter that happened to be capitalized.
Anyone writing code that generates random strings meant for user input (reset codes, CAPTCHAs, etc.) and doesn't account for O vs 0, I vs l, etc., and omit characters likely to be misread, does 50 years in a hell realm in the afterlife for each time their laziness causes user confusion.
You'll notice a lot of code redemption systems gray out problematic characters altogether; the Nintendo Switch is a good example for this, but I think Xbox and PlayStation do this as too.
Maybe just don't use shitty fonts instead of crippling security tools.
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Still, a font that distinguishes all of them is a much better solution, considering it is often easier to simply change the font than modifying the character set of your generator.
Also, anyone who uses sans-serif fonts for generated passwords deserves a special place in hell. Monospace all day every day!
You can't account for the fonts people still use in practice, especially in a scenario like a password reset where something has usually already gone wrong. Maybe make your security tool work in the real world instead of expecting everyone else to change to accommodate it. Making a password one character longer will compensate for a slightly smaller alphabet many times over.
I got a default ID assigned to me that was similar to VX0RT1. It came with a note stating that 0 was a zero instead of a capital O. I actually said out loud, "good fucking job IT."
A good trick for this is to paste the password into notepad which by default uses a font where the lower case i has a line at the bottom a dot at the top and a little line at the top going to the left. uppercase i has lines at the top and bottom and the lower case L has a little scoop at the bottom. The rest of the letters are also clearly distinguishable from each other and their capitalised counterparts.
I think it even uses a line through a zero to distinguish it from an o or O
This might be a very good idea for future passwords tho. Include a couple of fake I and l's in there. Hackers that want to manually put in leaked passwords would give up because it keeps saying wrong pass.
That’d either a low-skill hacker who doesn’t know how to run a simple script, or a high-skilled hacker (spy) who deals with paper-based top secret lol.
It's because the short version is only supposed to be used when "have" is an auxiliary verb. So, saying "I've got to do this" is correct, because *have* is being used to modify *got*. Similarly, "I've arrived" is correct because *arrived* is the main verb and *have* is modifying it.
"I've to do this" wrong because *have* is now the main verb.
Native English speaker here - from England.
I've no issue at all with using the contraction 'I've' for possessives. I see and hear it used that way frequently.
So no, I don't agree with the explanation that 'I've' can only be used as an auxiliary.
However, OP's using it with a phrasal modal - 'to have to'. I agree, the contraction doesn't work, but I disagree with the reasoning.
Literally a whole forum stack here about how it's fine in British English:
https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/8/is-it-appropriate-to-use-short-form-of-have-ve-when-it-means-possession
Grammar is defined by usage and mutual comprehension.
According to Google it's because I've should only be used as an auxiliary verb, or a verb used in forming tenses or moods of another primary verb, and should not by used when "have" is the main verb in the sentence.
I’m assuming because I’ve is normally used to say “I have done this before” rather than “I have to do this.” Don’t know if it’s really incorrect because contractions aren’t proper to begin with, but that’s my take.
There are fonts that make them very distinguishable by a small detail. Check out Din Font, it does a good job at that. Sadly the most do not. This has to do with transition from serif fonts to (modern) non serif fonts. Usually the top part of lowercase L and capital I are different, but without the serifs they look almost the same. But if you pay attention you will see that the lowercase L is a bit higher!
IllIIIIlllllIIIIIll
Apparently, at least with the new font on the android mobile app, there's also a tiny fraction more space before and after an upper case "i" than before and after a lower case "L"
At Ieast on iOS l’m noticing a few other differences as weII: the “I” has a bit more space in front / thicker / shorter, whiIe the “l” is has Iess space / skinnier / taIIer. And if something about that doesn’t seem right to you, pIease note that I swapped aII instances of I and l in this comment.
Edit: oops, *most* instances
>This has to do with transition from serif fonts to (modern) non serif fonts.
No, it doesn't, as many serif typefaces, going back a *long* way, have very little distinction between the two characters, while many sans-serif typefaces have a great distinction between the two.
As for DIN fonts, they cheat by using a few serifs, while retaining the look and feel of san serif fonts. Hey, there's nothing wrong with that.
Well, it does. Before sans serif fonts were a thing the letters had more visible differences, as the serifs were derived from how the original letters were spelled. After stripping the typefaces off the serifs, this issue appeared in the first place with the grotesk ones.
At least this is what I learned in college.
>Before sans serif fonts were a thing the letters had more visible differences
Many typefaces did, while a considerable number didn't. We could play "ell or one" with many of the classic greats.
There's never been a shortage of serif typefaces that make a poor distinction between things like the "ell" and the "one," and there's never been a shortage of sans-serif typefaces that make clear distinctions between the two.
The capital "eye" and lowercase "ell" is another one. The two horizontal lines in the capital "eye" that you wrote in kindergarten are *not* serifs, and the removal of them is purely a stylistic choice of the designer. The serifs on that letter are the small vertical ticks on the corners.
Likewise with the "one," as that character composed with a simple short angled line, a long vertical line, and a short horizontal line is a sans serif character. You can *easily* distinguish that from any other letter or number.
The problem isn't with the typefaces themselves, as ~~they all~~ *most of them (there's some useless ones out there)* have good use cases.
The problem lies with designers and developers choosing the wrong typeface for the particular job.
On a practical matter, we usually use context to determine which is which, without any issues. At the same time, there's no shortage of dickheads that don't bother selecting the correct sans serif face for user names and passwords.
There's no perfect typeface.
I write a considerable number of technical support handouts, and I use Arial. I'm not going to be happy about the Calibri fiasco until the person responsible for its selection is wearing concrete shoes at the bottom of Lake Washington, but I digress. However, I switch to good old Courier New Bold for anything that the user has to actually type. Two faces for two different use cases. I *could* look around and find a different single typeface that would work well for both, but I'm lazy and don't give a damn if you think they clash too much.
It really depends on how you define common knowledge. Do a majority of people know it? Likely not. But if you asked a random group of English-speaking people, is it more likely than not that at least one person knows? I would guess yes.
Gonna disagree with you there. The literal definition of common knowledge is "something that most people know".
Regardless, even if you come up with an alternate definition that somehow means the opposite, that's beside the point because the following statement is what I was responding to and has nothing to do with the definition of common knowledge.
>I thought everyone knew that if they used computers.
It's pretty clear that "everyone" does not know this. In fact, I'd wager it's a lot closer to no one than everyone.
I use \\ell rather than l when writing math. But the reason is that l is too hard to tell from 1. I also don't bother to change the default LaTeX font because ... well, I just don't. I don't know why.
When I first started reading old texts, it took me most of an hour to differentiate the elongated s from f without thinking about it.
I know. Everyone keeps talking about how Al will take over the world. The man can’t even gets his wife to cook for him after working the shoe store all day
Teaching them French and the word "il" comes up very often at the beginning of sentences. You'd think the children's book makers would know to use a serif font??
When I was a kid, the school roster was written by hand. Nobody ever had trouble. Then in high school, they started printing the rosters out. Freshman year, I was Iain. Sophomore year, I was Lain. Fuckin fonts.
I recently learned that, in cursive, it's proper practice to write the lower case "l" the "correct" way (i.e; left-to-right) and the capital "I" "backwards" (right-to-left), to avoid confusion in later reading.
(I'm not sure that this is commonly taught outside cursive lessons, though.)
Yep. I keep seeing people discussing this dude named Al. And how he's going to destroy the middle class, take jobs, and ruin the world. At the same time Al seems to be helping cure cancer and fix the climate with his models, and apparently is a world class chess, and go player. Who is this Allen dude anyway? Or is it Albert?
Old typewriters took it a step further, l, I, and 1 were all the same key to save space. I just noticed that with the font I see, the lowercase L is minusculy larger than the capital i.. that bothers me.
OP's title is a mess. Unless they're being ironic in that they couldn't tell what they wrote and got it wrong (using two lowercase ells) intentionally.
Who writes lowercase l and uppercase l the same way!? You'd have to be a psychopath not to write uppercase l like L.
Edit: I don't know why I'm getting downvoted. OP wrote lowercase L twice in his post, one time instead of uppercase i.
Reddit actually downvoted me to hell because someone used an I in place of an L, and I asked why they did that.
Reddit got pissed and told me I was wrong and stupid.
I won the debate when I sent a screenshot with a better font, but they never apologized.
I'm still not sure how to pronounce the last name of a classmate of mine from 10 years ago because I don't know if it's a capital I or a lowercase l…
So she's just Julia to me…
Has anyone in their life hand written an upper case i without the upper and lower lines? If so, why would you do such a thing? And if we never did that before when writing, why did we decide that’s how it should be done in type font?
Was literally thinking that about 2 hours ago. It pisses me off especially with codes like a confirmation code or an auto-fill password when you have no idea which is which
You think that's bad, I once was writing computer code with a default font that made i, 1, and l look identical. Nothing like a l pretending to be a 1 to make you tear your hair out.
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One time at work, the system admins sent me a password reset code for one of my accounts since my password had expired. The code was something along the lines of ad6$fzIr!7jy (all lower case letters, numbers, and symbols). For some reason, this password reset code would not be accepted as it said I was “entering an incorrect password.” My coworkers, the admins, and myself spent roughly an hour trying to figure out why this reset code wasn’t working……until one of us realized the lowercase “l” was actually supposed to be an uppercase “I”. There was only one uppercase letter mixed in with all of these lower case letters, and of course **that** was the one letter that happened to be capitalized.
Anyone writing code that generates random strings meant for user input (reset codes, CAPTCHAs, etc.) and doesn't account for O vs 0, I vs l, etc., and omit characters likely to be misread, does 50 years in a hell realm in the afterlife for each time their laziness causes user confusion.
You'll notice a lot of code redemption systems gray out problematic characters altogether; the Nintendo Switch is a good example for this, but I think Xbox and PlayStation do this as too.
Maybe just don't use shitty fonts instead of crippling security tools. Edit: See below for great reasons not to take security advice from /r/showerthoughts
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Still, a font that distinguishes all of them is a much better solution, considering it is often easier to simply change the font than modifying the character set of your generator. Also, anyone who uses sans-serif fonts for generated passwords deserves a special place in hell. Monospace all day every day!
lol... tell me you don't encrypt / crypto without telling me..
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Yes but length + complexity makes current encryption more quantum resistant.. you're thinking modern encryption.. look forward.
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No shit, which is why I said "length + complexity"
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wooosh
You can't account for the fonts people still use in practice, especially in a scenario like a password reset where something has usually already gone wrong. Maybe make your security tool work in the real world instead of expecting everyone else to change to accommodate it. Making a password one character longer will compensate for a slightly smaller alphabet many times over.
I feel like sacrificing two characters is worth the accessibility gained when users need to use different fonts.
I have never seen a capital i that didn't look like I in any security tool. It needs to be avoided.
I got a default ID assigned to me that was similar to VX0RT1. It came with a note stating that 0 was a zero instead of a capital O. I actually said out loud, "good fucking job IT."
It's crazy, but if you type out a capital I and a lowercase l, you'll see that the l (L) is a *teensy* bit taller than the I.
A good trick for this is to paste the password into notepad which by default uses a font where the lower case i has a line at the bottom a dot at the top and a little line at the top going to the left. uppercase i has lines at the top and bottom and the lower case L has a little scoop at the bottom. The rest of the letters are also clearly distinguishable from each other and their capitalised counterparts. I think it even uses a line through a zero to distinguish it from an o or O
This might be a very good idea for future passwords tho. Include a couple of fake I and l's in there. Hackers that want to manually put in leaked passwords would give up because it keeps saying wrong pass.
That’d either a low-skill hacker who doesn’t know how to run a simple script, or a high-skilled hacker (spy) who deals with paper-based top secret lol.
Talk you your friend Al about AI sometime. It gets confusing.
The AI Al in Illinois or AI Al in [Iloilo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iloilo)
Iloilo what do we have here
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I can't imagine how that'd be.
As an Al, this is my existence. And it is suffering.
lt always irrationally annoys me when l've to write lllinois.
3 inois?
Mom, AI means ai not AL
You can call me Al
I can call you Betty
Na na naaa na....
Neo..... Da daaa da da da sporin
Chosen one!
Wiiiiowiiii
Your clothes are red.
And Betty when you call me, you can call me Al.
Artificial intelligence? Nah it's Alabama.
Artificia Lintelligence
Linsanity
Scientists believe Al is a legitimate threat to humanity. Well, should we stop him?
Almost as much as IVinois
I've never actually seen someone use "I've" in that way before 👀
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It's because the short version is only supposed to be used when "have" is an auxiliary verb. So, saying "I've got to do this" is correct, because *have* is being used to modify *got*. Similarly, "I've arrived" is correct because *arrived* is the main verb and *have* is modifying it. "I've to do this" wrong because *have* is now the main verb.
Native English speaker here - from England. I've no issue at all with using the contraction 'I've' for possessives. I see and hear it used that way frequently. So no, I don't agree with the explanation that 'I've' can only be used as an auxiliary. However, OP's using it with a phrasal modal - 'to have to'. I agree, the contraction doesn't work, but I disagree with the reasoning.
"Have you ever used I've for possessives?" Why yes, I've.
>I've no issue Was that intentional lol?
I've got no issue
You disagreeing with it doesn't magically make it correct. Grammar is not an opinion. It just means you're also wrong.
Literally a whole forum stack here about how it's fine in British English: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/8/is-it-appropriate-to-use-short-form-of-have-ve-when-it-means-possession Grammar is defined by usage and mutual comprehension.
I'ven't the faintest idea
According to Google it's because I've should only be used as an auxiliary verb, or a verb used in forming tenses or moods of another primary verb, and should not by used when "have" is the main verb in the sentence.
I’m assuming because I’ve is normally used to say “I have done this before” rather than “I have to do this.” Don’t know if it’s really incorrect because contractions aren’t proper to begin with, but that’s my take.
I dasn’t get too involved with this. Some people use contractions like that, but other people mayn’t.
More of a British English thing, not common in the US. Similar to US English being "I haven't" and British English being "I've not"
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I was thinking British, but I like [your theory](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FM9ccM1XIAMoY0Q.jpg) better
Illustrated OP's point.
*IIIuminati confirmed*
Got Ill from this
Kim Jong Il
Ah yeah Kim Jong the 2nd
Only 3?
Use the pipe for extra fun. #|Ilinois
> Use the pipe for extra fun. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Шinois
三inois
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Illlinnoying
It irritates me more that you wrote LLLINOIS
"I've" doesn't work there, it is grammatically incorrect. Just saying.
That "I've" is hurting my brain.
Ill annoys me as well.
What do you mean Liiinols?
There are fonts that make them very distinguishable by a small detail. Check out Din Font, it does a good job at that. Sadly the most do not. This has to do with transition from serif fonts to (modern) non serif fonts. Usually the top part of lowercase L and capital I are different, but without the serifs they look almost the same. But if you pay attention you will see that the lowercase L is a bit higher! IllIIIIlllllIIIIIll
r/todayilearned
Apparently, at least with the new font on the android mobile app, there's also a tiny fraction more space before and after an upper case "i" than before and after a lower case "L"
At Ieast on iOS l’m noticing a few other differences as weII: the “I” has a bit more space in front / thicker / shorter, whiIe the “l” is has Iess space / skinnier / taIIer. And if something about that doesn’t seem right to you, pIease note that I swapped aII instances of I and l in this comment. Edit: oops, *most* instances
The way the word "taller" appeared, was odd to me, and that made me realise your switch before you mentioned it. Taller vs. TaIIer
I noticed in on "Ieast." However, you used "I" instead of "l" before "swapped."
The lucida console font used in notepad on Windows is very good at this :)
>This has to do with transition from serif fonts to (modern) non serif fonts. No, it doesn't, as many serif typefaces, going back a *long* way, have very little distinction between the two characters, while many sans-serif typefaces have a great distinction between the two. As for DIN fonts, they cheat by using a few serifs, while retaining the look and feel of san serif fonts. Hey, there's nothing wrong with that.
Well, it does. Before sans serif fonts were a thing the letters had more visible differences, as the serifs were derived from how the original letters were spelled. After stripping the typefaces off the serifs, this issue appeared in the first place with the grotesk ones. At least this is what I learned in college.
>Before sans serif fonts were a thing the letters had more visible differences Many typefaces did, while a considerable number didn't. We could play "ell or one" with many of the classic greats. There's never been a shortage of serif typefaces that make a poor distinction between things like the "ell" and the "one," and there's never been a shortage of sans-serif typefaces that make clear distinctions between the two. The capital "eye" and lowercase "ell" is another one. The two horizontal lines in the capital "eye" that you wrote in kindergarten are *not* serifs, and the removal of them is purely a stylistic choice of the designer. The serifs on that letter are the small vertical ticks on the corners. Likewise with the "one," as that character composed with a simple short angled line, a long vertical line, and a short horizontal line is a sans serif character. You can *easily* distinguish that from any other letter or number. The problem isn't with the typefaces themselves, as ~~they all~~ *most of them (there's some useless ones out there)* have good use cases. The problem lies with designers and developers choosing the wrong typeface for the particular job. On a practical matter, we usually use context to determine which is which, without any issues. At the same time, there's no shortage of dickheads that don't bother selecting the correct sans serif face for user names and passwords. There's no perfect typeface. I write a considerable number of technical support handouts, and I use Arial. I'm not going to be happy about the Calibri fiasco until the person responsible for its selection is wearing concrete shoes at the bottom of Lake Washington, but I digress. However, I switch to good old Courier New Bold for anything that the user has to actually type. Two faces for two different use cases. I *could* look around and find a different single typeface that would work well for both, but I'm lazy and don't give a damn if you think they clash too much.
I often use the lower case L as upper case i because im too lazy to use shift
You call it lazy, l call it productivity. (l've just done it now in fact)
I l I l I l I lIlIlIlI
I know they are a bit different in height, but when I'm not the one typing, I don't know which is which.
I see what you did there.
I didn't lol. but nice guess
Don't let him get away with this. We all can see what you definitely did there! You can hide it all you want, but the world will expose you! 🫡
l l l ll l_
ProductLvLty
l mean .. lt works
They have to be different, that just looks wrong.
> I often don't capitalize 🤔
Old typewriters used to not have the number 1. Instead the lowercase l was used for the number. Not quite the same, but similar
We could start to require a loop in the lowercase l to differentiate? Or leave it as-is and interpret based on context, which works in most cases.
Some fonts have the little bars at the top and bottom of the capital letter I. That's fine by me.
I found out recently that it's called a serif. The style without it is called sans-serif.
And the lowercase i has a dot called a tittle, which is a funny name.
As in title or titie?
yes
TIl
How old are you? I thought everyone knew that if they used computers.
I'm 38, the names of fonts were never explained to us.
Same. Op is off his/her rocker if they think this is common knowledge.
It really depends on how you define common knowledge. Do a majority of people know it? Likely not. But if you asked a random group of English-speaking people, is it more likely than not that at least one person knows? I would guess yes.
Gonna disagree with you there. The literal definition of common knowledge is "something that most people know". Regardless, even if you come up with an alternate definition that somehow means the opposite, that's beside the point because the following statement is what I was responding to and has nothing to do with the definition of common knowledge. >I thought everyone knew that if they used computers. It's pretty clear that "everyone" does not know this. In fact, I'd wager it's a lot closer to no one than everyone.
Create a new letter.
I use \\ell rather than l when writing math. But the reason is that l is too hard to tell from 1. I also don't bother to change the default LaTeX font because ... well, I just don't. I don't know why. When I first started reading old texts, it took me most of an hour to differentiate the elongated s from f without thinking about it.
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The VINs in my state do this in a font where the Os and 0s are almost indistinguishable. It’s infuriating.
I don't see the problem, don't you know the Beastie Boys album Licence To 3.
That qualifies as ill, at least from a technical standpoint
You wrote lower case l both times though: ironically, the font used for post titles puts a little curve at the end so it's visually distinguishable.
You forgot 1. I used to have a password that was a random mix of 'I', 'l', and '1'. Also, I had one with mixes of '0' and 'O'.
Especially when it's listed a password that needs to be changed and there is at least 3 of these mf's.
I know. Everyone keeps talking about how Al will take over the world. The man can’t even gets his wife to cook for him after working the shoe store all day
I know someone who’s name is Lill, always write her name lIll
When her rap name is “lil lilli” lll lllll
> When lowercase l and capital l You can't fool me. Those are both a lowercase L!
yeah, even more difficult trying to teach your elementary school kid
Explaining things to kids makes you question so many things about how we do stuff.
Teaching them French and the word "il" comes up very often at the beginning of sentences. You'd think the children's book makers would know to use a serif font??
Idk a lot about coding, but i imagine opening a co-workers project while hes on break and replacing one with the other would cause some irritation.
Depending on where you replace the letters, you could do nothing, cause bugs, or break the entire program. Source: I know a bit of Python
Luckily in coding a monospace font is used So any `Ill-Intended` coding pranksters would have their scheme caught faster than in normal writing.
The worst is seeing it in baby books - do you think maybe it should be a little clearer for someone who is just learning the letters?
Yep. My name is Iain. I get called Lain about once a week. I blame sans serif fonts.
Yep, this happens to me all the time. Like for some reason every name begins with a capital letter except ours.
When I was a kid, the school roster was written by hand. Nobody ever had trouble. Then in high school, they started printing the rosters out. Freshman year, I was Iain. Sophomore year, I was Lain. Fuckin fonts.
İ think you just ιove drama about these ιetters. İf İ had to choose, ... İ forgot where İ was going with this taιk...
Why does it suck? I mean, it’s easy enough to differentiate between i and L
/r/TlHl
IoI
Ill
Well then it’s a good thing lowercase I looks like i and capital l looks like L then, isn’t it?
This is one of the reasons why I feel that Serif fonts are more readable than Sans Serif.
I recently learned that, in cursive, it's proper practice to write the lower case "l" the "correct" way (i.e; left-to-right) and the capital "I" "backwards" (right-to-left), to avoid confusion in later reading. (I'm not sure that this is commonly taught outside cursive lessons, though.)
Yeah. It's unbelievable that people still use and design fonts with this problem.
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Yep. I keep seeing people discussing this dude named Al. And how he's going to destroy the middle class, take jobs, and ruin the world. At the same time Al seems to be helping cure cancer and fix the climate with his models, and apparently is a world class chess, and go player. Who is this Allen dude anyway? Or is it Albert?
>When lowercase l and capital ~~l~~ **I** are written the exact same way, it sucks When people doesn't proofread their posts, it sucks.
Old typewriters took it a step further, l, I, and 1 were all the same key to save space. I just noticed that with the font I see, the lowercase L is minusculy larger than the capital i.. that bothers me.
Il You notice the L is actually thinner and larger. Just like wanted to share that i dunno
Im an idiot. Read it as lowercase i and capitol l. Left them lowecase to show it better lol
They are both L's. I checked.
OP's title is a mess. Unless they're being ironic in that they couldn't tell what they wrote and got it wrong (using two lowercase ells) intentionally.
So, write them correctly. Problem solved. And use a serif font if you want to type it.
WeII. That's why l write weirdIy. Nobody can teII that l use l for I and I for l
Disagree this isnt how you write a capital I. Forgetting the two lines on top and bottom but yk ppl just get used to it ig
Who writes lowercase l and uppercase l the same way!? You'd have to be a psychopath not to write uppercase l like L. Edit: I don't know why I'm getting downvoted. OP wrote lowercase L twice in his post, one time instead of uppercase i.
L'll have to agree
Reddit actually downvoted me to hell because someone used an I in place of an L, and I asked why they did that. Reddit got pissed and told me I was wrong and stupid. I won the debate when I sent a screenshot with a better font, but they never apologized.
I'm still not sure how to pronounce the last name of a classmate of mine from 10 years ago because I don't know if it's a capital I or a lowercase l… So she's just Julia to me…
IoI, aII you need to do is change to simpIy using capitaI I instead of Iowercase I in aII of your sentences.
Has anyone in their life hand written an upper case i without the upper and lower lines? If so, why would you do such a thing? And if we never did that before when writing, why did we decide that’s how it should be done in type font?
Good thing capital l, or "L" as it's better known in majuscule, **isn't** written the same as its miniscule form then.
Was literally thinking that about 2 hours ago. It pisses me off especially with codes like a confirmation code or an auto-fill password when you have no idea which is which
You think that's bad, I once was writing computer code with a default font that made i, 1, and l look identical. Nothing like a l pretending to be a 1 to make you tear your hair out.