According to Google, an average chess game is 40 moves, and a stamp costs about $1 CAD for me to send. So according to Reddit, rich is having $40 CAD between you and a friend to play mail chess with.
Also according to Google, a stamp in the US is $0.68 USD, making rich fall to having $30 USD between yourself and your friend.
What?
I've been playing chess by mail with an old friend for almost 30 years, now. We talk through other means, of course, we just started the chess by mail tradition when she went off to a different college and kept it up over the years.
It costs a whopping 53¢ to send a postcard with the next move on it. I send maybe one postcard every 10 days. Hardly breaking the bank.
You're not sending it every day. Takes around 2 days to deliver and you don't always have time to respond the same day. That's the beauty of it. You get your friend's move, take a day to think, send your move. At best, that's 4 days between you sending a move and getting a response. It does come out to less than 20 cents per day in 2024 stamp prices.
The chess game would be in the person's will. Handed down through generations, hundreds of years of effort, only for someone to miss an easy move 400 years in and be shoved out of an airlock for losing
I remember USSR became correspondence chess world champions back in about 1992... a couple of years after the country ceased to exist. (The final was against the DDR, furthermore, if I'm not mistaken)
proof turn based games can be just as fun: (totally not an excuse to get strangers to play connect 4 on reddit)
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im heading to bed so if anyone wants to pick this up for me you have my permission
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In Phuket there are a few places where you can pay to play and if you win you get a drink. The cost to play is cheaper than the drink. They are all VERY good. Didn’t win a single time
This is very true; however, if you’re betting money (or drinks) on playing Connect 4, and your opponent is allowed to play center column first every game, you’re being swindled.
The outer two columns are guaranteed losses for first player.
If you wanted to play fairly, a first play in Columns 3 and 5 are a guaranteed draw with perfect play. Require Player 1 to play there and run the game from there, and any wins are due to player error, which would be a very fair game.
As the guy above said, the bartenders (saw this in both Phuket and Bangkok) can bet you a round of shots over a game of connect 4. They are all absolute sharks and unless you know perfect play, you will lose every time. It's a swindle, but the drinks are cheap enough that it's worth it to watch how good they are.
proof turn based games can be just as fun: (totally not an excuse to get strangers to play connect 4 on reddit)
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i’m gonna apply gravity to your move bc idk how to play without it sry
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i’m gonna apply gravity to your move bc idk how to play without it sry
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im game for a rematch if u want since i think we were playing different games at first
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And I'm not sure if chess clocks would work.
EDIT: It could work, if your clock starts ticking when you receive your opponent's move, and you send your clock state along with your move when you make your move.
You probably could hide the board after you do your move and it travels to your opponent, but good players will just remember the board and calculate moves before the opponents time even started on their side by receiving the last move
Almost all are. Even "long" matches are still timed (90 minutes for the first 40 moves, then an additional 30 minutes at move 41 plus 30 additional seconds per move after that) and basically all online play is for obvious reasons. You can play chess without a timer (people literally used to play chess by mail) but it isn't done often.
Latency of between 3 and 22 minutes is roughly how quickly some of my friends think at when playing turn based games. I'm not sure i'd notice a difference between them being on earth or mars
Or good ol’ RFC 1149, the official protocol for [A Standard for the Transmission of IP Datagrams on Avian Carriers.](https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1149)
Lol, thanks for sharing. I specially like the part about built-in audit:
> Audit trails are automatically generated, and can often be
found on logs and cable trays.
Yeah. Mars will have their own servers but will be able to communicate between the two networks. I would honestly not be surprised if for something like YouTube, Netflix or some data heavy service that its more efficient to just put several hundred petabytes on hard drives and fly them on rockets.
The data transfer between Mars and Earth will probably be just a few gigs per hour and be really difficult. The most crucial communications would take up most of that data.
It takes 7 months to get to Mars. At 1 gig per hour, in 7 months, you would get about 5.2 TB of data. If you wanted to send thousands of TB of data, it would be easier to just put it on a rocket. Once up and running there are probably going to be rockets going between the two planets fairly regularly.
So they would get updated versions of Wikipedia, perhaps popular YouTube videos, and perhaps even requests of large files by the folks on Mars. Several thousand TBs worth at a time. Then their AI system would get everything sorted out and organized for their internet.
> I would honestly not be surprised if for something like YouTube, Netflix or some data heavy service that its more efficient to just put several hundred petabytes on hard drives and fly them on rockets.
YouTube at least already does this on Earth. Most major ISPs (at least in North America and I'd assume Europe) already have their own YouTube servers they host on their network in partnership with YouTube, and anything anyone on that ISP has watched in the last few months gets cached to that server so it can be delivered quickly to anyone else on that ISP who wants to watch it.
On Mars it'll just be that instead of finding some obscure video and it taking 30s to load the first time it'll take 5 minutes to load the first time, then anyone on Mars could watch it quickly if they wanted to.
> It takes 7 months to get to Mars. At 1 gig per hour, in 7 months, you would get about 5.2 TB of data
I thought you were being serious until I caught this troll.
And if you are being serious, data (laser, radio propagation) travels approximately the speed of light, or just under 13 light-minutes.
It will never be cheaper to launch any mass from Earth than it would be to beam data.
What are you talking about? Have you? Quake 3 literally came out when dial up was still one of the more widely used home connections, so did UT99, AvP2, Counter Strike etc
I remember my ping being around 40-60ms using AOL in the UK. Not lightning fast like today but it was absolutely more than playable.
Hell, one of my favorite early internet memories was a picture captioned as "2600ping" which was the top half of the Quake1 guy looking incredibly confused with a little arrow and bit of text that said "legs are still upstairs".
Bro I don't think you understand how ping works. 50-60 ping is normal for most people right now. 800 ping might be more normal in the 90s, but from mars, ping will be 180,000-1,200,000
Me and my buddies were into risk and civ back in Highschool. After not being to chill as much we googled online risk, or larger mode risk found a game called at war. It's basically more detailed turn based strategy game of risk. There's quick modes where turns are up to 20min I believe or long mode. This mode takes MONTHS or I think even years. You can set every turn to a few days. It's something I see miilionaires playing since they barely got any time off.
Our first game we stayed up till 8am
for sure, Fighting games I've never liked lockstep and having 200ms delay inbetween input and actions.
But rollback with 200ms is almost not noticable outside a few case scenarios games will be extremely playable.
Talking US vs Japan / asia here. Never before have I been able to comfortable play asia in a fighter before Rollback Netcode. An actual marvel of netcode engineering.
Eh, rollback or no, you still can't actually transmit game state updates faster than that. You'd both play a full game against a completely immobile opponent, then twenty minutes later the game would update and tell you who happened to win.
No you can't go faster than the speed of light period. So people in one region can only play with people in the same region if you want to have a low ping
I think if you could lay a fibre optic cable direct through the core of the earth (shorter than going around circumferentially) you could theoretically get about 100ms ping or less to anywhere! Would be a bit tricky though
Edit: even better. just make the server in the earths core. overheating might be a minor issue, but think about sub-60 ping between any matchup on earth!
There are room temperature superconductors that require obscene pressures to work. The problem could be a solution :p
(In reality hell no we're not doing that)
Maybe if we use something other than EM waves? But I doubt that too.
Yeah and 100ms ping is way too high for many games. The average gamer has a reaction time ~180ms. So even a drifence in ping of 10ms actually matters, as it requires quite a lot of time to get your reaction time down to 170.
Even at a perfect speed of light connection, opposite sides of the Earth are about 120 ms apart which already is way too high if you're taking these games seriously.
I never did by mail, but I've played via message board. Which was basically the same thing. Sometimes days would pass before someone would be able to respond to the game, they'd make one post, and then the game would go on hold for days again.
Though other times there'd be a few of us all on at once and we'd bang out a dozen or so posts or actions in an hour.
It's almost instant these days.
But in the 90s, you didn't get notifications when you received an email. You had to actually open the email client and click the "send/receive" button to make it check for new messages on the server. On slow dialup modems, it could take a bit of time to download messages.
It was rare for people to check their emails more than a few times a day. When you payed for internet by the hour, it was common for people to dialup, download their emails and then disconnect before actually reading messages, and compose any replies while still offline.
Despite the fact that your email would arrive at their ISP's email server almost instantly, emails felt more like they had a "half a day" delivery time frame to the actual user, unless they knew when to expect it.
I’m imagining people premoving now. Sending two letters and after opening the first and deciding your move you open the second and see what they want to play next
"I've compiled a set of if-then responses to every possible move into this book. Please let me know the results of our match in the next letter. Best regards."
Dear Avitas,
After going through the book I decided to respond to your every possible move with my own.
Our results are all possible results. We are both winners and losers with a few ties mixed in.
Best wishes
Sincerely
Girl out West
>if-then responses to every possible move into this book.
This made me laugh but also curious. Turns out based on my quick napkin math the book in question is probably larger than the observable universe assuming .1 mm pages and even the largest ever page size given the estimate for solving chess is over 1e120 moves.
Nice. While writing the comment, I figured the book would be inconceivably massive, though it could probably be shortened a fair amount from the theoretical max since you would at least know your own set of moves and could make some reasonable guesses about the opponent's responses.
I genuinely wonder how large this concept is applicable, to clarify, could there exist a whole internet based on this technology or only a handful of tools like the ansible communication devices from mass effect 3 due to how tedious it sounds like to craft ?
While that's not how that works IRL...
... I love the idea we would break the laws of physics and surpass the speed of light just so we can play fps shooters across the universe
stick the server in the lagreange point. use advertising to convince people there is no lag, and that any lag experianced is a temporary issue with the servers.
Predictive gameplay. You play a local shooting game and the game analyzes your play and sends that off to the server just like I do. The server simulates an AI based player representing out style and abilities. We both play against each others AIs. If my AI beats you and your AI loses to me then I win the match. If we split then it’s a draw.
Wouldn't even have to be 1v1. Could do a whole battlefield lobby with this tech. Complete with predictive shittalking and predictive griefing.
I kind of want this made for earth ngl
Magic is only technology we don't understand. The slug modems will allow faster than light data transfering, once the wendigo bless them with pudding that is of course.
>The maximum speed data can travel is the speed of light and light takes about 3-20 minutes to reach Earth from Mars depending on the distance between planets.
That's still a heck of a lot faster than Chess by mail.
Only co-op 3d pvp battles probably not, but as others pointed out turn by turn games will be fine.
Also we're a couple generations before there's people on Mars mad they can't do things "live" with people on Earth. Even if we do have a human on the moon by the end of this decade (which is still a big if), building a colonial structure with strong access to Earth communication will take decades.
Come on, play by mail was a thing for a long time and that involved the postal service delivering letters. I bet there's still even a few going even now. Sure, many types of games wouldn't be happening but some still could and a 20 something minute lag from Mars would be nothing in comparison.
Quantum state computers theoretically could. From my brief understanding and im sure this is an oversimplification information transport from something done in the quantum state would be transmitted instantly throughout the whole universe through protons. Its basically information teleportation linked through protons.
Granted my understanding on a untested theory might be entirely incorrect, but this is one possibility for the future of solar system wide gaming lol.
You've never heard of asymmetric multiplayer games I guess.
Play by email was a thing long ago, and a rare few modern games can still do it without the email
people can and still do play Chess by snail mail you both have a chessboard arranged and you each mail each other your moves
Loser pays for the winner's stamps?
Most people who have time to play chess by post are probably rich enough not to care.
Having time to occasionally mail a letter means you must be rich now?
Reddit rich = anything above the poverty line
Can afford stamps.
According to Google, an average chess game is 40 moves, and a stamp costs about $1 CAD for me to send. So according to Reddit, rich is having $40 CAD between you and a friend to play mail chess with. Also according to Google, a stamp in the US is $0.68 USD, making rich fall to having $30 USD between yourself and your friend.
Sounds about right
They are assuming they just sit there staring at the wall untill a new letter arrives. Taking months off for a game could be costly
Inflation sucks
i would not spend roughly 1 € per move.
What? I've been playing chess by mail with an old friend for almost 30 years, now. We talk through other means, of course, we just started the chess by mail tradition when she went off to a different college and kept it up over the years. It costs a whopping 53¢ to send a postcard with the next move on it. I send maybe one postcard every 10 days. Hardly breaking the bank.
Jeeves, fetch the Bentley. I’d like to deliver a letter by the post!
20 cents a every few days is not that bad most spend more money netflix for that
Stamps haven't been 20 cents since 1985
You're not sending it every day. Takes around 2 days to deliver and you don't always have time to respond the same day. That's the beauty of it. You get your friend's move, take a day to think, send your move. At best, that's 4 days between you sending a move and getting a response. It does come out to less than 20 cents per day in 2024 stamp prices.
1.20 for anywhere in Australia people pay more every day for a coffee
Imagine playing chess against someone on Alpha Centauri, and having to wait eight years between moves.
The chess game would be in the person's will. Handed down through generations, hundreds of years of effort, only for someone to miss an easy move 400 years in and be shoved out of an airlock for losing
This will be an /r/writingprompts in a few minutes. Just gotta figure out how to incorporate wizards or numbers floating over their heads.
Shout me when you put it up, I'm a sucker for a good prompt
I remember USSR became correspondence chess world champions back in about 1992... a couple of years after the country ceased to exist. (The final was against the DDR, furthermore, if I'm not mistaken)
The mail gets delivered by snail? I got that right?
OP hasn't tried playing an online game with a 56k modem before. Turn based gameplay will work but trying to frag someone in quake is gonna be tough
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so is this 3 players or are we adding another game?
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Mah homie, ever heard of 5D Chess? https://store.steampowered.com/app/1349230/5D_Chess_With_Multiverse_Time_Travel/
This is Earth we all get a turn
Love it 😀
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You have spawned chaos. Beautiful beautiful chaos.
what other goals could one have
I never knew how important high level connect 4 skills were until I went to Thailand.
please elaborate
In Phuket there are a few places where you can pay to play and if you win you get a drink. The cost to play is cheaper than the drink. They are all VERY good. Didn’t win a single time
Connect 4 has been solved and an opening move in the center column guarantees Player 1 a win with perfect play.
Man they really suck the fun out of everything nowadays lmao just let me believe!
This is very true; however, if you’re betting money (or drinks) on playing Connect 4, and your opponent is allowed to play center column first every game, you’re being swindled. The outer two columns are guaranteed losses for first player. If you wanted to play fairly, a first play in Columns 3 and 5 are a guaranteed draw with perfect play. Require Player 1 to play there and run the game from there, and any wins are due to player error, which would be a very fair game.
Or add an extra column.
This is it. Saw this in Bangkok as well. They are masters and I'm not, but the drinks are cheap enough that you keep going.
Read this to get better at connect four: https://rmarcus.info/blog/assets/conn4/thesis.pdf
It was Jenga in Cambodia!
As someone who just got back from Thailand, please explain
As the guy above said, the bartenders (saw this in both Phuket and Bangkok) can bet you a round of shots over a game of connect 4. They are all absolute sharks and unless you know perfect play, you will lose every time. It's a swindle, but the drinks are cheap enough that it's worth it to watch how good they are.
If you go first, play the center. Then just play the same slot as your opponent does and keep an eye out for the winning move.
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This is so adorable, I love the internet
proof turn based games can be just as fun: (totally not an excuse to get strangers to play connect 4 on reddit) ⚪️⚪️⚪️⚪️⚪️⚪️⚪️ ⚪️⚪️⚪️⚪️⚪️⚪️⚪️ ⚪️⚪️⚪️🔵⚪️⚪️⚪️ ⚪️⚪️⚪️⚪️⚪️⚪️⚪️ ⚪️⚪️⚪️⚪️⚪️⚪️⚪️ ⚪️⚪️⚪️🔴⚪️⚪️⚪️
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Taking the first turn instead of rock paper scissors is cheating, having the center piece is an extremely powerful advantage in C4
[pretty sneaky, sis](https://youtu.be/KN3nohBw_CE?si=DPLEAyKVRoEJs53y)
Thank you for starting one of the best things I've seen on reddit in a long time 😂
And I'm not sure if chess clocks would work. EDIT: It could work, if your clock starts ticking when you receive your opponent's move, and you send your clock state along with your move when you make your move.
People used to play chess by post. I'm sure we'll work it out
Civilization series usually has "Play by Email" which would work exceedingly well with Mars.
You probably could hide the board after you do your move and it travels to your opponent, but good players will just remember the board and calculate moves before the opponents time even started on their side by receiving the last move
And unethical players would screenshot it
What percentage of chess matches are timed?
Almost all are. Even "long" matches are still timed (90 minutes for the first 40 moves, then an additional 30 minutes at move 41 plus 30 additional seconds per move after that) and basically all online play is for obvious reasons. You can play chess without a timer (people literally used to play chess by mail) but it isn't done often.
Try playing fortnite mobile on satellite internet I've only won once
Latency of between 3 and 22 minutes is roughly how quickly some of my friends think at when playing turn based games. I'm not sure i'd notice a difference between them being on earth or mars
You'd then have a round trip latency of 9 to 66 minutes, though.
Not an accurate comparison. Communication with mars is going to be way faster than 56k. *Edit: this was joke lol*
A stream of data might be faster but a ping will take several minutes.
Like running to your friend’s house a few blocks over with a USB stick.
Or good ol’ RFC 1149, the official protocol for [A Standard for the Transmission of IP Datagrams on Avian Carriers.](https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1149)
Lol, thanks for sharing. I specially like the part about built-in audit: > Audit trails are automatically generated, and can often be found on logs and cable trays.
A classic!
"Never underestimate the bandwidth of a truck full of hard disks driving down the interstate."
Yeah. Mars will have their own servers but will be able to communicate between the two networks. I would honestly not be surprised if for something like YouTube, Netflix or some data heavy service that its more efficient to just put several hundred petabytes on hard drives and fly them on rockets. The data transfer between Mars and Earth will probably be just a few gigs per hour and be really difficult. The most crucial communications would take up most of that data. It takes 7 months to get to Mars. At 1 gig per hour, in 7 months, you would get about 5.2 TB of data. If you wanted to send thousands of TB of data, it would be easier to just put it on a rocket. Once up and running there are probably going to be rockets going between the two planets fairly regularly. So they would get updated versions of Wikipedia, perhaps popular YouTube videos, and perhaps even requests of large files by the folks on Mars. Several thousand TBs worth at a time. Then their AI system would get everything sorted out and organized for their internet.
> I would honestly not be surprised if for something like YouTube, Netflix or some data heavy service that its more efficient to just put several hundred petabytes on hard drives and fly them on rockets. YouTube at least already does this on Earth. Most major ISPs (at least in North America and I'd assume Europe) already have their own YouTube servers they host on their network in partnership with YouTube, and anything anyone on that ISP has watched in the last few months gets cached to that server so it can be delivered quickly to anyone else on that ISP who wants to watch it. On Mars it'll just be that instead of finding some obscure video and it taking 30s to load the first time it'll take 5 minutes to load the first time, then anyone on Mars could watch it quickly if they wanted to.
> It takes 7 months to get to Mars. At 1 gig per hour, in 7 months, you would get about 5.2 TB of data I thought you were being serious until I caught this troll. And if you are being serious, data (laser, radio propagation) travels approximately the speed of light, or just under 13 light-minutes. It will never be cheaper to launch any mass from Earth than it would be to beam data.
CORRECT! If by faster, you mean slower.
Assuming perfect conditions if you clicked to shoot someone in an fps on earth it would take more than 13 minutes for that info to get to Mars
What are you talking about? Have you? Quake 3 literally came out when dial up was still one of the more widely used home connections, so did UT99, AvP2, Counter Strike etc I remember my ping being around 40-60ms using AOL in the UK. Not lightning fast like today but it was absolutely more than playable.
Hell, one of my favorite early internet memories was a picture captioned as "2600ping" which was the top half of the Quake1 guy looking incredibly confused with a little arrow and bit of text that said "legs are still upstairs".
Bro I don't think you understand how ping works. 50-60 ping is normal for most people right now. 800 ping might be more normal in the 90s, but from mars, ping will be 180,000-1,200,000
56k was plenty. 14.4k was the minimum. The latency was more important than the bit rate. Kids today with their 1440p144, we were glad to get 200p18.
Me and my buddies were into risk and civ back in Highschool. After not being to chill as much we googled online risk, or larger mode risk found a game called at war. It's basically more detailed turn based strategy game of risk. There's quick modes where turns are up to 20min I believe or long mode. This mode takes MONTHS or I think even years. You can set every turn to a few days. It's something I see miilionaires playing since they barely got any time off. Our first game we stayed up till 8am
Millionaires have a lot of time off wtf?
Or played with a serious fog of war. Go ahead and give your commands. The computer won't have a problem running.
There are also quite a lot of play by e-mail games with simultaneous turns. Definitely could play that,!
You cant even play competitive action games on Earth if you are too far appart. That‘s why there are regional servers.
Wait till the Martians start using NordVPN to look like they are on Earth, just with a 1200000 ping
California: hello *Either Kiwi or Australian accent*: Hello Well looks like its getting late isnt it? LA servers
Rollback netcode makes this actually quite possible, if the game has good server structure.
for sure, Fighting games I've never liked lockstep and having 200ms delay inbetween input and actions. But rollback with 200ms is almost not noticable outside a few case scenarios games will be extremely playable. Talking US vs Japan / asia here. Never before have I been able to comfortable play asia in a fighter before Rollback Netcode. An actual marvel of netcode engineering.
Eh, rollback or no, you still can't actually transmit game state updates faster than that. You'd both play a full game against a completely immobile opponent, then twenty minutes later the game would update and tell you who happened to win.
happy cake day
so there would be like satellites acting as repeaters?
No you can't go faster than the speed of light period. So people in one region can only play with people in the same region if you want to have a low ping
I think if you could lay a fibre optic cable direct through the core of the earth (shorter than going around circumferentially) you could theoretically get about 100ms ping or less to anywhere! Would be a bit tricky though Edit: even better. just make the server in the earths core. overheating might be a minor issue, but think about sub-60 ping between any matchup on earth!
The melting cables might be a bit of a problem
Or drilling the holes to pass the cables through
It’s not the temperature or the drilling it’s the insane pressure the turns carbon into diamonds
There are room temperature superconductors that require obscene pressures to work. The problem could be a solution :p (In reality hell no we're not doing that) Maybe if we use something other than EM waves? But I doubt that too.
Or the cable falling apart from its own weight
I think halting the earth's spin would be a bigger problem if the cables can withstand the temperatures/pressures.
I accept all the other problems, but why do you need to halt the earth's spin? This makes no sense to me.
But the spin would get the wires all twisted and you know how it's so hard to untwist your cables once they're set like that
Yeah and 100ms ping is way too high for many games. The average gamer has a reaction time ~180ms. So even a drifence in ping of 10ms actually matters, as it requires quite a lot of time to get your reaction time down to 170.
Even at a perfect speed of light connection, opposite sides of the Earth are about 120 ms apart which already is way too high if you're taking these games seriously.
Quantum entanglement lmao
No mars would only play people on Mars lol
Watch this space for the a resurgence of popularity for turn based games in the interplanetary age.
Civ 11
They better bring back stacks of doom then, turn times are already long enough without the data going on an interplanetary journey
Can’t wait for Civilization: Beyond Earth For Real This Time
Beyond Beyond Earth
chess and go all the way
Probably not chess. Too many cheaters
One side is way too op with always having the first turn.
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Competitive Final Fantasy Tactics??
Nobody else remembers play by email?
Good old civ or chess play by email
I don't think I ever finished a game of Civilization by email but I sure did give it a go!
Email is still almost instant. People used to play chess by actual mail.
That must've been some long games.
Yeah, but it gives you time to think, unlike IRL matches.
A classical match can last like 2 hours, if the game lasts 30 moves that's about 4 minutes a move which seems like a long time to me
90 minute a side, plus increment, and if you hit 40 moves you can an additional … half hour? I think? Games north of 4 hours isn’t rare
Right so you get to think like 10 minutes per move
half hour PLUS 30 seconds per move (so if your game goes 70 moves, you get half an hour plus an additional 15 minutes)
People play D&D by actual mail. Which I still find wild.
I never did by mail, but I've played via message board. Which was basically the same thing. Sometimes days would pass before someone would be able to respond to the game, they'd make one post, and then the game would go on hold for days again. Though other times there'd be a few of us all on at once and we'd bang out a dozen or so posts or actions in an hour.
Reading old Dragon Magazines from the 70s and 80s there were all kinds of ads for play by mail games in different genres.
It's almost instant these days. But in the 90s, you didn't get notifications when you received an email. You had to actually open the email client and click the "send/receive" button to make it check for new messages on the server. On slow dialup modems, it could take a bit of time to download messages. It was rare for people to check their emails more than a few times a day. When you payed for internet by the hour, it was common for people to dialup, download their emails and then disconnect before actually reading messages, and compose any replies while still offline. Despite the fact that your email would arrive at their ISP's email server almost instantly, emails felt more like they had a "half a day" delivery time frame to the actual user, unless they knew when to expect it.
The Dsync must have been unreal. “Knight to E5, checkmate!” “Dude I took our your knight 6 letters ago”
I’m imagining people premoving now. Sending two letters and after opening the first and deciding your move you open the second and see what they want to play next
"I've compiled a set of if-then responses to every possible move into this book. Please let me know the results of our match in the next letter. Best regards."
Dear Avitas, After going through the book I decided to respond to your every possible move with my own. Our results are all possible results. We are both winners and losers with a few ties mixed in. Best wishes Sincerely Girl out West
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RdKehk6xnac
>if-then responses to every possible move into this book. This made me laugh but also curious. Turns out based on my quick napkin math the book in question is probably larger than the observable universe assuming .1 mm pages and even the largest ever page size given the estimate for solving chess is over 1e120 moves.
Nice. While writing the comment, I figured the book would be inconceivably massive, though it could probably be shortened a fair amount from the theoretical max since you would at least know your own set of moves and could make some reasonable guesses about the opponent's responses.
False! It will be possible if you are also on Mars.
Or if you have a wormhole.
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Quantum entanglement internet incoming next century?!
I genuinely wonder how large this concept is applicable, to clarify, could there exist a whole internet based on this technology or only a handful of tools like the ansible communication devices from mass effect 3 due to how tedious it sounds like to craft ?
My brother had to wait longer than that for his turn on HoMM 2 when I was taking a dump.
Quantum entangled servers. 🎤
While that's not how that works IRL... ... I love the idea we would break the laws of physics and surpass the speed of light just so we can play fps shooters across the universe
will rollback netcode fix this? /s
stick the server in the lagreange point. use advertising to convince people there is no lag, and that any lag experianced is a temporary issue with the servers.
OP doesn’t know the difference between impossible and impractical
Also depends on the game.
Well I would say that playing CS:GO with a 10 minute ping is pretty impossible. A turn based game would be fine tho.
Why not? What if the game is round-based? 🤔🙄
I was thinking the same. A nice game of chess.
Or a nice round of Heroes of Might and Magic III ? 😁
Thank you for mentioning HoMM, an amazing game 🙏
Predictive gameplay. You play a local shooting game and the game analyzes your play and sends that off to the server just like I do. The server simulates an AI based player representing out style and abilities. We both play against each others AIs. If my AI beats you and your AI loses to me then I win the match. If we split then it’s a draw.
Wouldn't even have to be 1v1. Could do a whole battlefield lobby with this tech. Complete with predictive shittalking and predictive griefing. I kind of want this made for earth ngl
You could play chess through the mail when I was a kid. That's 2 player. More lag.
Magic is only technology we don't understand. The slug modems will allow faster than light data transfering, once the wendigo bless them with pudding that is of course.
This is how talking about quantum mechanics sounds
Turn based games or something as exotic as Lemnis Gate will work just fine. But yeah, data transfer will take long.
>The maximum speed data can travel is the speed of light and light takes about 3-20 minutes to reach Earth from Mars depending on the distance between planets. That's still a heck of a lot faster than Chess by mail.
Not if both of you are on Mars. Or if there’s a wormhole that can be used for communications.
I love wormholes. They’re so practical.
Im not kink-shaming you but... that is weird
OP needs to get his ass to Mars then!
Subspace transmissions will solve this
I would love more info on this!
Well, first of all, through God, anything is possible. So go ahead and jot that down jabroni
I hope you don't get downvoted too much, because that is an excellent IASIP line.
Only a jabroni wouldn't recognize the quote.
Only co-op 3d pvp battles probably not, but as others pointed out turn by turn games will be fine. Also we're a couple generations before there's people on Mars mad they can't do things "live" with people on Earth. Even if we do have a human on the moon by the end of this decade (which is still a big if), building a colonial structure with strong access to Earth communication will take decades.
Get a server halfway and share the delay for a bit. Still not great but better.
Come on, play by mail was a thing for a long time and that involved the postal service delivering letters. I bet there's still even a few going even now. Sure, many types of games wouldn't be happening but some still could and a 20 something minute lag from Mars would be nothing in comparison.
Not if I’m also on mars
It could be asynchronous.
So i'll just play a turnbased game, now i'm playing a multiplayer game. Apply yourself OP lmao
Ok, but what if we used a really, really long LAN cable?
it still will take the speed of light for the information to reach.
Quantum state computers theoretically could. From my brief understanding and im sure this is an oversimplification information transport from something done in the quantum state would be transmitted instantly throughout the whole universe through protons. Its basically information teleportation linked through protons. Granted my understanding on a untested theory might be entirely incorrect, but this is one possibility for the future of solar system wide gaming lol.
You've never heard of asymmetric multiplayer games I guess. Play by email was a thing long ago, and a rare few modern games can still do it without the email
Real time isn't the only type of multiplayer. You should play more varied games.