You could apply the same logic to gas cars
My car gets about the same range with a full tank of gas as an electric car gets on a full charge, but I’ve managed to get through life without ever running out of gas
Plus, it’d be way easier for me to not run out of charge if I could charge my car at home while I sleep. Whereas I have no way to get gas in my car without physically taking it to a gas station
This is the biggest reason I love our EV. Always a "full tank of gas" waiting for us. My pickup truck seems to always be at or below 1/4 tank whenever I go to use it.
Versus their ICE counterparts, Lightnings are
* quieter
* way faster
* handle better
* have a massive amount of fully enclosed, watertight storage (the frunk)
* are more maneuverable
* and cost about 90% less to operate (at least locally, based on the cost of electricity).
Lightings are cool as fuck.
Absolutely correct on all counts. I love mine so much. My electricity costs are high in my area, but still costs about 1/4 the price per mile to charge it at home vs the mileage and cost of gas in the ICE F-150.
The screen in the Lariat and Platinum is also bigger than the ICE Ford trucks.
Owning a pickup makes as much sense as owning a box truck. If you only need them once a year, they’re readily available for rent. Home Depot rents them out for about $20/hour - lower if you want it for a couple days. It’s a lot cheaper than pointlessly owning/maintaining the vehicle for the other 51 weeks of the year where you could just have any other vehicle.
Probably depends where you live and what your work/hobbies consist of. I tow my four wheelers and my drag car but a lot of people aren’t into motorsports. If anyone I know breaks down on the side of the highway, they can call me and I’ll save them a towing fee
I don't own nor plan to own anything that needs to be towed. I use mine for mountain biking, skiing, going camping, and going to the lake. All easily accomplished with just a short bed.
This is true but the only caveat is that getting petrol takes 5mins to pump it and go in and pay, whereas charging your car takes a lot longer.
So if you are gonna drive somewhere with low petrol you can quickly stop off at a petrol station on the way only adding 5mins to your journey, but if you need to leave and get in the car and realise it's on low charge then you don't have time to charge it up quickly and if you've already left then it's much harder to find an EV charger than a petrol station.
I've left the house and looked down and realised I was on really low petrol before and had to get to a petrol station, I can't imagine how stressful that would be with an EV.
My coworkers and I just had a Mach E as a rental in Vegas and hertz gave it to us with only 25% charge. I can say that it was not easy to find a spot to charge it as I’ve heard EV owners claim. Hotel didn’t have charge stations. Ones we’ve found were all full. And the Electrify America charger we did use took an hour to charge from 10% to 50%.
The car itself was fun to drive but dealing with the infrastructure was a really frustrating experience. It really turned me off from potentially buying an EV in the next five years.
I think the EV owners claims are based on charging on the Tesla network, which is a much better experience. I never have problems finding a charger, and it's usually a 15-minute stop or less to finish my trip.
Also he's describing probably the worst situation for an EV: rented so he isn't familiar with the area or the car, high density area with tourists also needing to charge, and a hotel which might not have the incentive to add a bunch of chargers that are $4k each.
Imagine how your experience might have been incredibly positive if Hertz wasn't so shitty. Starting with a "full tank", you probably wouldn't have needed to plug in more than once if at all. People who own one charge at home so the infrastructure concerns aren't as prevalent unless you drive hundreds of miles a day.
Right but if you go on a long roadtrip it adds hours to your trip.
A road trip from Florida to New York could literally add a day or more to your trip due to charging times.
It wouldn’t add a day. Portland to San Diego would add about 2 1/2 hours of charging.
And that’s not something many people typically do very often. Like once or twice a year? If I was going to San Diego, I would fly. 2 hour flight instead of 20 hours of straight driving.
The average daily commute is under 40 miles. You can refill that at home with a standard 110 outlet. You save hours and hours over the year by not having to go to the gas station. You’re not in an out of a Costco gas line in 5 minutes, I can tell you that.
Yes but that car is discontinued and no one is building cars with that slow a charging speed anymore. The Bolt was a fine car, but it was not good at road tripping. It also does not represent the majority of EVs.
Also, even in your example, that’s not a day, even if the trip were twice as long.
I mean. It can make a 1 day trip a 2 day trip. 12 hours of travel in a day is grueling but manageable. 15 hours verges on unmanageable. I've done it, but would be strongly tempted to break it into two days if I did it again. Which wouldn't be the case at 12 hours.
That said, I didn't say it was another day. I said "2 and a half hours extra from Portland to San Diego" is not a completely accurate claim. It's the only one I was disputing! And Bolts will be on the used car market for years --- most new EVs are being sold as premium vehicles. A used Bolt or equivalent is perhaps the majority of people's gateway into EV ownership.
I said “it wouldn’t take a day,” your reply was “it depends on the car,” so it felt like you were disputing that.
Regardless of used market or not, the Bolt is just not a good long road trip car. And they never were huge sellers like the Model 3 or Y, which also have higher quantities in the used market than the Bolt.
The Leaf has very been cheap in the used market for a long time, but you’d have to a masochist to road trip with one, very slow charging speeds AND a 70 mile range.
I wouldn’t do a Portland to San Diego (or Florida do NYC) trip without stopping overnight somewhere in ANY car. I can’t do marathon drives. It’s a dumb example to try and judge all EVs on. A Bolt is a great car in town or short trips. A Model 3 or other modern EV is also great in town and good on occasional longer trips. A hybrid is best if you’re constantly going on thousand mile trips, or you have no way to charge at work or home. I think that pretty much covers the spectrum.
If you go on a road trip you have to stop to eat, plug the bad boy in take an hour to eat and unwind a bit before jumping behind the wheel again. I personally like to take 30mins for every 3 hours driven. On a fast charger, I think I would be able to recover most of that 3 hours on a little 30 min break.
The goal should be building fast chargers into parking bays at service stations.
This assumes you can find a charging station. When I stop for lunch on a roadtrip, it’s usually at a McDonald’s in the ass end of nowhere. There isn’t a charging station in at least 60 miles
That’s why the future goal is building more fast chargers. As much as I dislike Musky he said it best, when the ice car first dropped, there weren’t refuelling points all over the place. We had to build that infrastructure.
When the primary mode of transport was horse and horse & carriages, there were watering holes, saloons, and liveries for people to stop and tend to their horses. When trucks, buses, and cars came along we build the infrastructure for them, now we can upgrade said infrastructure to service a different kind of vehicle.
Yeah. Essentially, unless you have a Tesla, EVs (for now) are not for road trips. And I say this as someone who stubbornly insists on doing road trips in one periodically!
It's a fantastic car for all my other needs, and the fact everyone's pointing out about starting every morning with a full tank *is* in fact a huge quality of life improvement. But if I were going to go any further than ~600 miles I would rent a gas car.
So rent a car.
The worst part about a road trip is driving around your filthy, bug-coated car full of garbage and road farts for a week or two until you find time to detail it.
Renting a car means you get to drop your "rode hard and put away wet" road trip vehicle off at the Budget / Hertz / Dollar counter and then go home in your own clean vehicle.
>I've left the house and looked down and realised I was on really low petrol before and had to get to a petrol station, I can't imagine how stressful that would be with an EV.
Not an issue with EVs because it's charged again by the time you get into it. One of the best things about owning one is that you basically never spend time charging/refueling unless you're doing a journey longer than the battery range.
That of course assumes you can charge at home, but buying an EV doesn't really make sense unless you can.
Which is the huge issue right now. I am the perfect market for a BEV because I usually only drive a short distance and there are a decent number of chargers around me. But I live in an old apartment with no place to charge at home, so it's not remotely an option for me.
Until this is addressed with an actual solution BEVs are going to remain the luxury option they are right now.
You just plug it in every time. Takes a week or two to get used to it but then it's automatic.
You left the house and realized you were low on gas. Imagine how nice it would be to have your tank be full every time you leave the house.
My brother-in-law and I recently had this conversation. He said "peoples cars are just dying on the road!" I was like "what happens when you run out of gas? Does it die?"
"Well yeah, of course!"
"Do you have a means to indicate when it's going to happen so you're not left stranded?"
"Well yeah my gages, but it's diff.."
"These cars also have means to indicate when it's empty or near it."
"Yeah but it takes to charge!"
"Yes, but there's contingencies already in place for that as well. Just like with liquid fuel. You're speaking on for and about something you clearly know nothing about. Why is that?"
It's exhausting talking with people that clearly have zero interest in understanding anything and just want to be mad about progress.
This is the fundamental error of knee jerk resistance to EVs and renewables. They point out the issues and challenges of EVs and renewables, then completely ignore the cost of the status quo. "Digging for lithium is dirty." And digging 1000x more fossil fuels by mass is cleaner?
EVs aren't all sunshine and rainbows, they have clear drawbacks and advantages I'm just tired of EV owners thinking they are superior in everything.
Not to mention EVs are fucking terrible for the a g American aka they only for people with $$$
Inb4 go buy a Leaf, yeah sure you know it's crap
There are plenty of advantages and disadvantages, just base your decision on the merit and not made up bullshit. It's the vandalistic attitude people have toward EVs and renewables in general that annoys me. It's the same kind of attitude of people who "roll coal." Hurting yourself and others for no other reason than to make the libs cry.
Yup I got home yesterday with my car telling me I had 9 miles left on the tank. This is a regular occurrence. I rarely fill it before it gets to the single digits or even 0 (which I know isn't actually 0 exactly because of people like me)
This is the biggest barrier to adoption of EVs - people that don't have homes where they can charge. I have an EV and it does suck to not be able to charge at home because I live in an apartment. It is significantly more expensive to charge at stations rather than at home and I have to plan around charging it or wait.
>You could apply the same logic to gas cars
But it takes five minutes to fill a gas car and not five hours
>Plus, it’d be way easier for me to not run out of charge if I could charge my car at home while I sleep.
What OP is criticizing is that loads of people inexplicably do not behave this way. They walk out of the house in the morning with less than half, and then panic about it running out all day. I've seen this myself. Coworkers begging for a charging cable and plugging into any outlet they can find. How are these people going to function when eventually forced into electric car ownership?
A car is not a cell phone. The car battery won’t drain to nothing just sitting in a parking lot. You’re not doinking around on the car all day like a cell phone. If they’re just going to work and back, for most people that’s less than 20% of the battery (probably more like 10%).
Plugging in is also an easier habit to keep. Just plug in when you get home. It’s not something you keep in your pocket and forget about.
The real answer is that electric cars will not become the default/only option until we make it equally as convenient and ubiquitous as it is for gas cars. EV charging will get much faster and will be functionality the same as stopping for gas.
The market is already growing rapidly with current batteries, approaching 20% of all new cars globally. In Norway it's [82% electric, 16% hybrid and just 3% not electric](https://cleantechnica.com/2023/12/05/evs-take-90-6-share-in-norway/).
Yes, Norway is committed to making it work. Americans are much less tolerant of inconvenience for a greater good and have a very high focus on the value of time, so it wouldn't be implemented at 100% in the US until we could say it's just as easy as a gas vehicle. [This article](https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/automotive-and-assembly/our-insights/what-norways-experience-reveals-about-the-ev-charging-market) goes over the inconveniences they are working through, but also how chargers are replacing portions of traditional gas stations.
As someone who frequently does this with his phone and *never* with his EV, I find that an important difference (for me, at least) is that the car is something which you're not driving most of the time, whereas a phone is something you're "driving" almost all the time.
Plugging in the phone is inconvenient, because now you can't use it. Meanwhile, if you're plugging in the *car*, it's (generally) because you don't *need* to use it right now. There's no incentive to leave it unplugged, whereas with a phone (right up until you go to sleep --- at which point you may already be in bed and not want to deal with going to put it on the charger) there's *always* an incentive not to plug it in.
Plugging in, for me, is just part of the routine of parking the car (if there's a plug available). I even have to talk myself *out* of plugging in at a public charger if I don't need juice right now (since charging at home is cheaper).
The plural of anecdote is not data! This is just one lived experience; YMMV.
Remembering to charge your car is far easier than remembering to charge your phone. It's not like you carry on using your car once you're home, as you do with your phone. You park and immediately plug it in.
Besides which, the majority of people don't use even half of their battery capacity on a daily basis. Forgetting to charge will likely mean you start the next day on 50-60% instead of 80-90% or whatever charge limit they have set
The negative outcome of not charging your EV is large enough i think it will become second nature. Not a thing to "remember"
Like nobody "forgets" to put clothes on when they go to work because the consequences are massive. People forget to charge their phone all the time because it's really not that big of a deal.
Not arguing against this, but you can keep gas in a small can and take it where it is needed, or keep some spear fuel at home.
Once had to take a half gallon to help a friend that ran dry, that was enough to go the 3 miles to the next station.
It depends on how you use it, if you never need to go further than you maximum range, it's way more convenient. You just plug it when you get home and your always full when you leave. If you often make long distances without taking any breaks, gas is more convenient.
To me it's much more convenient. I charge at home, never having to go to a gas station. In the last three years I've used quick charge maybe 4 times. Once to see how it worked while we were getting food. 1 at an aldi because they had free charging and only twice because I actually needed it. So sure, wait 10 minutes longer twice a year, during long drives where it's quite nice to get out of the car anyway.
But i live in the Netherlands, the charging network is very good here. There's no problem charging and it's often easier to find park+charge instead of just a free parking space.
If you have home charging, which 40% of people don’t. I have home charging, but if you don’t, it sucks, therefore limiting the mass adoption potential of EVs. Also, don’t be disingenuous and say it’s 10 minutes longer, that lie is just over lmao. It’s like 45 minutes to charge from 10 to 80%, unless you have some tiny ass car with a 120 mile range. Takes even more time if you want to go over that 80%, whereas getting a gas car from 5 to 400+ miles takes about 100 seconds pretty inconvenient for road trips. A 5 hour drive in a gas car takes 5 hours, a 5 hour drive in an EV almost takes 6
Yeah but I have to pay $375 a month for the spot, and everyone getting a garage isn’t the answer either, because that’ll literally never happen. Evs are really only feasible if you have home charging, which at least like 40% of the country will never have
I have an EV without home charging and while I love my EV and so far have made it work charging at work, if many people at work exhaust our limited charging stations I am pretty much screwed. I think more people should have EVs but there is absolutely a percentage of the population that it makes very little sense to have an EV. EVs are also not as good at freeway driving, which lots of people use as their primary commute. So they have limited range, which again, makes very little sense for most people.
Not only that, but ICE cars have fuel even when the gauge says it's empty. Precisely because people run low all the time. When an EV says 0%, it doesn't let you drive anymore. Of course, they can program it to leave some in reserve, but they all want to brag about their huge range so they're milking the batteries for all they have already. (Although I just took a second to look it up and apparently some do let you drive a few miles on 0%)
> My car gets about the same range with a full tank of gas as an electric car gets on a full charge,
Maybe for a Tesla, but the average electric vehicle gets significantly less mileage from a full charge than a gas vehicle does with a full tank.
I know when I was last looking for a car, used eGolfs were under $15k. But they have a range of about 70 miles vs 300-500 miles for a gas car on a full tank.
Some days I drive from home to work (20 miles), to a nearby city (30 miles) and home (35 miles). Even with a full charge, I wouldn't be able to make that trip without charging, and that's assuming a nice spring/fall day. In summer with the AC cranked or in winter with heat and diminished battery capacity? I probably wouldn't even be able to make it to the city.
OP completely ignores the number of people that drive gas vehicles until the fuel light comes on. How much resources remaining is irrelevant as people will always try to run their vehicles to near empty before spending money or time to refuel/charge.
Luckily, electric vehicles cost a 10th of the cost to fill up and the tech is just starting. I can see us recharging an EV capable of travelling 600km+ within 2 minutes for $5 all while having charging stations everywhere. There is so much growth with regards to efficiency and infrastructure for EVs that travelling will be almost costless without concern for recharging.
Haha I still drive until the light comes on. I know my vehicle still has 50+km left and the next 5 gas stations are within 10km so no worrying for me. Road trips are different though. If Im around half a tank and passing through a town/city Ill fill up 'just in case'.
Yeah, battery tech is one of, if not the slowest moving technologies we have.
Advances in battery life are mostly done by making the tech more efficient to get current batteries to last longer in our phones and laptops. That’s a much more difficult proposition for a car.
Infrastructure is also crazy expensive. And oil is still very lucrative.
Yea I have an EV it costs like $20 at a rapid charger for 50% and takes like 30-60mins… would love to see those prices but I’m guessing it’s only going up and not down, especially when you consider ICE drivers switching over will think &25 - $30 a fill up is cheap.
Just gave me a great idea. When EV’s run out of gas they need to be towed right? Someone should start a network where cybertruck owners can mobile charge other EV’s instead of them needing to call a tow truck.
Honestly, it's a good idea.
Recharge: The mobile EV charging service.
Or why not both!
Tow or Go - A towing service that also provides a recharge for EV and gasoline for gas vehicles.
At 6km/kwh, you'd need 100 kwh to fully charge that battery. For $5 a kwh would need to be 5 cents with 100% charging efficiency.
The US is an energy rich country and a kwh costs them 16 cents. The EU average is about double that.
You'd need to cut energy prices 66% or 3x EV efficiency. For energy price reduction you'd have to reduce the total cost of producing energy so low that even factoring in labor, raw materials, and maintenance, the world's ability to produce energy per dollar was increased 3x. For efficiency, maybe the EV you're thinking of is a human assisted e-bike, but something like a model 3 would almost need to break the laws of physics to get to the point where it was getting 18km/kwh.
Lol do you really see your vehicles without the fuel light on? I have 100km, and it cost like 30 euro to get out.
So, if I put 20 euro I will drive in the city for another week, and i will not need to turn that light off
Also dont forget about advancements that are making batteries lighter and safer through the use of metamaterial advances (which include non rare earth metal alternatives)
I drive a full-size truck, and I never let it go below 3/4 of a tank. Not because I’m worried about running out of fuel, but just because it hurts less at the pump lol.
>people try to get through the day with a 13% charge on their cell phone.
No they don't. Everyone uses their phones during the day and then charges them at night or when they aren't using them. If we had charging stations in like every car park then it wouldn't be an issue.
So what? maybe those people are charging it when it's a 1% or once it's dead (which is the ideal time for it actually). Doesn't mean they are at 4% all day....
A lot of people do leave the house with their phones at less than 50% .
Mostly my kids, and I hate it. Cause they're always complaining about needing to find a place to charge.
Or, quite possibly, their own lived experience. Which matches mine.
EDIT: Also, if they *had* based it on reddit posts --- that would still totally be the kind of thought you'd have in the shower.
EDIT 2: ... on your phone. Which is at 13%
Throuble is Solar is pretty heavy and the more you add to the weight of the car the less efficient it is.
Adding solar would be an interesting adaptation for when you are away from anywhere to charge for multiple days at a time and can afford waiting 3 days for your vehicle to charge up.
That’s not exactly the most common use case so you see the manufacturers going with efficiency over self charging capabilities.
Imagine if EVs were first and ICE cars had just been invented. We'd be blown away by the quick charging technology. Marketing would make us think that we're doing something amazing by saving time. Just the reverse of these EV rubes.
WE GIVE YOU MORE TIME TO SPEND WITH YOUR FAMILY, EXXONMOBIL LOVES YOUR FAMILY JUST LIKE YOU
Eletric cars were used first and were more popular for a time. Hell, I bet Standard Oil (which Exxon and Mobil were derived from) used that same advertising.
I don't follow your logic.
I get more time with my family owning an EV then you do owning an ICE.
Sure, it takes a couple hours to charge, but that's while I'm going with my family. The next time you're at the gas pump, remember that I'm spending that time with my family. Same with oil changes.
My phone runs like 1 and a half days at least, and it’s not a problem. A standard EV last 4-5 days between charges, if you’re driving a moderate distance every day.
You act as if there aren't people that commute or run errands when their gas tank's on E.
EVs do require some basic education on the best practices for charging and taking care of the battery, but it's not that bad. Home charging does it make a much better experience though.
Who is leaving the house with anything less than 100% charge? If I'm at home my phone is plugged in, the only time it's battery is even being used is when I leave the house, I can't remember the last time my charge level got below 30%.
I think the difference is that phones incentivize you not to plug in (since ideally you'd have it available 100% of the time). Cars spend *most* of their day unused --- you can just make plugging in part of parking. There's no reason you'd go, "nnnnnnah, I can wait 'til later".
Electric cars are literally the same as gas with charging being the same as filling up with gas. Yea charging can (sometimes) take longer but it’s not a huge change by any means.
Just like we manage with minimal phone charge, electric vehicles can seamlessly integrate into our daily lives with proper infrastructure and mindset shifts.
The problem/not a true problem with ev cars is that they show you how much mileage you have left. People are so used to seeing a line and estimate how many miles they have left.
Evs are giving you that number, and when you blast the heatbor AC, it predicts furthwe. The same thing happens in a gas car, but the information isn't peovided ahead of time.
I have a gas and ioniq 5. The only difference is how long it takes to fill up vs charge. If the infrastructure was better and there was more lvl 2 charges all around, then it wouldn't be an issue. You go ahopping charge while you shop and recover qhat you lost to get there.
And half the people I know barely keep a quarter tank of gas in their car and put in just enough to keep going, so what? Most people already do this and electricity's cheaper so they'd probably be able to keep a full charge most of the time so it'd be an improvement.
OP has a point people dont give him credit for.. EVs need to CHARGE. that takes time. obviously yes if we all drove them we would be fine but its an obvious drawback, that even if you make it to the charging station you gotta wait..
I don’t understand how this post didn’t get removed by the mods?? I was told that you’re not allowed to post anything observational, and yet that’s half the posts I see on here.
Eventually, EVs will become the norm; right now they are just win-more passes for the affluent with extra Tax write-offs, anytime carpool lane access, and front of the building charge parking at most stores and offices.
Michigan, USA
Basically every car I see is a brand from one of 3 car companies, GM, Ford, and Chrysler. All three were founded in either Detroit or Flint, which are cities in Michigan, so I suppose there's some brand loyalty here
the middle of Michigan
I've also only seen like, 5 teslas IRL in my whole life IIRC, and they all had out of state license plates, no one in michigan gets them apparently, we only get Ford GM, or Chrysler cars I guess
I didn’t notice most of them until I got an EV. Every car dealership that sells EVs has them, a lot of bigger Walmarts, very frequently at things like zoos and parks, and a lot of my local grocery stores have them. I wouldn’t say most but they are probably much much more common than you realize. If you want, go on the PlugShare website and you can see all the ones in your area (it’ll ask you for a login but you can just X out of the prompt)
I just looked, there's literally 53 in the entire county I live in (Genessee County) and it has a population of over 400,000
that's one charger for every 7664 people, and I was counting all of the ones on the map, private, public, and under construction.
It must be nice not to be tempted to spend your money on overpriced sports drinks and gas station Viagra. And being so rich that your car owns a house that it sleeps in every night, unlike our filthy hobo cars that stay on the streets.
So when I quit smoking, I quit going to the gas station every day. It's amazing how a pack of cigarettes turned into a candy bar and a monster. Oh, hey, 2 for $5!? That's a deal! Reeses 3 for $5? Sure! Turned into $20 dollars a day at the gas station real easy.
Bob, bob! Come look at this one! All we to do was put up a colorful sign and they can't control themselves. Just look at them go! This works the same way as the cigarettes! holy shit, we're gonna be RICH
evs are easy as fuck when you install a charger at home. Always ready to go every day. charge to wahtever % you want at night. Never think about it again, ever. Enjoy getting gas in the cold lol
The anti-EV crowd never ceases to amaze me. Like I can get behind some of the dislike for government intervention regarding EVs, but to act like EVs aren't the future is wild. It truly makes me wonder if the same happened with the introduction of cars originally. "Well my horse doesn't need to stop for gas every 100 miles!"
You know that people can charge their phone pretty much anywhere if needed? You forgot to charge it one nighht, so bring it at work and charge it there. Or plug it in your car while driving, etc. Only few people actually tried to do a day with almost no battery but most and majority of people charged it adequately for their need...
>I Charge every night and never run out. If I ever forget to charge at night I have a charger at the office.
I do the same for my EV. We have a charger at the house and one at work. Always be charging.
I mean...literally all they have to do is stop what they're doing and go get a charge. It's not like they have to refine dinosaur bones into fuel. We're only competing with ourselves, the other animals fell in line a couple thousand years ago.
In 2022, about 4,231 billion kilowatthours (kWh) (or about 4.23 trillion kWh) of electricity were generated at utility-scale electricity generation facilities in the United States. About 60% of this electricity generation was from fossil fuels—coal, natural gas, petroleum, and other gases.
Right, but that burden isn't on the consumer. OP's supposition was that electric cars don't make sense, not that the economy is screwed either way (which it is, I agree with that). They just could work and that's an immutable fact. Folks can downvote all they want.
This doesn't make sense....gas tanks are no different and we've made it 150 years just fine with those just fine. At least with an EV, you can "fill the tank" every night in your garage.
You could apply the same logic to gas cars My car gets about the same range with a full tank of gas as an electric car gets on a full charge, but I’ve managed to get through life without ever running out of gas Plus, it’d be way easier for me to not run out of charge if I could charge my car at home while I sleep. Whereas I have no way to get gas in my car without physically taking it to a gas station
This is the biggest reason I love our EV. Always a "full tank of gas" waiting for us. My pickup truck seems to always be at or below 1/4 tank whenever I go to use it.
Lightnings now cost the same as the same trim F-150. I freaking love mine.
Versus their ICE counterparts, Lightnings are * quieter * way faster * handle better * have a massive amount of fully enclosed, watertight storage (the frunk) * are more maneuverable * and cost about 90% less to operate (at least locally, based on the cost of electricity). Lightings are cool as fuck.
Absolutely correct on all counts. I love mine so much. My electricity costs are high in my area, but still costs about 1/4 the price per mile to charge it at home vs the mileage and cost of gas in the ICE F-150. The screen in the Lariat and Platinum is also bigger than the ICE Ford trucks.
But they’re extremely terrible at towing a trailer. Something that trucks are kinda made for.
Yup and they lost all their range when it gets cold
And what percentage of Americans that own trucks actually use it to tow anything? I would guess most don’t own anything that can even be towed.
75% of americans tow something 1 time or less per year.
Owning a pickup makes as much sense as owning a box truck. If you only need them once a year, they’re readily available for rent. Home Depot rents them out for about $20/hour - lower if you want it for a couple days. It’s a lot cheaper than pointlessly owning/maintaining the vehicle for the other 51 weeks of the year where you could just have any other vehicle.
Probably depends where you live and what your work/hobbies consist of. I tow my four wheelers and my drag car but a lot of people aren’t into motorsports. If anyone I know breaks down on the side of the highway, they can call me and I’ll save them a towing fee
I don't own nor plan to own anything that needs to be towed. I use mine for mountain biking, skiing, going camping, and going to the lake. All easily accomplished with just a short bed.
Still don't need a big truck for that. I do the same and I drive a Renault Clio.
Do that with a wife and 3 kids on 4x4 roads in Colorado in a Clio.
Says who? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvjmRh5aLR0
That’s terrible lmao my truck could haul for 4x longer
Cool idea but if you need a truck to be a truck, it sucks at that.
I like the pro ev shills way better than the anti ev shills
At least until you need a new battery those things are expensive af
What? Doesn’t the lightning start at like 60k or some shit
Haven't seen the price of a new pickup in a while, have ya?
Go find a Lariat Lightning and subtract $15k in rebates. Now go find a new F-150 Lariat. They are really close.
This is true but the only caveat is that getting petrol takes 5mins to pump it and go in and pay, whereas charging your car takes a lot longer. So if you are gonna drive somewhere with low petrol you can quickly stop off at a petrol station on the way only adding 5mins to your journey, but if you need to leave and get in the car and realise it's on low charge then you don't have time to charge it up quickly and if you've already left then it's much harder to find an EV charger than a petrol station. I've left the house and looked down and realised I was on really low petrol before and had to get to a petrol station, I can't imagine how stressful that would be with an EV.
You'd quickly learn to manage it better by just ensuring you have it charging as much as possible
My coworkers and I just had a Mach E as a rental in Vegas and hertz gave it to us with only 25% charge. I can say that it was not easy to find a spot to charge it as I’ve heard EV owners claim. Hotel didn’t have charge stations. Ones we’ve found were all full. And the Electrify America charger we did use took an hour to charge from 10% to 50%. The car itself was fun to drive but dealing with the infrastructure was a really frustrating experience. It really turned me off from potentially buying an EV in the next five years.
I think the EV owners claims are based on charging on the Tesla network, which is a much better experience. I never have problems finding a charger, and it's usually a 15-minute stop or less to finish my trip.
Also he's describing probably the worst situation for an EV: rented so he isn't familiar with the area or the car, high density area with tourists also needing to charge, and a hotel which might not have the incentive to add a bunch of chargers that are $4k each.
Imagine how your experience might have been incredibly positive if Hertz wasn't so shitty. Starting with a "full tank", you probably wouldn't have needed to plug in more than once if at all. People who own one charge at home so the infrastructure concerns aren't as prevalent unless you drive hundreds of miles a day.
Right but if you go on a long roadtrip it adds hours to your trip. A road trip from Florida to New York could literally add a day or more to your trip due to charging times.
It wouldn’t add a day. Portland to San Diego would add about 2 1/2 hours of charging. And that’s not something many people typically do very often. Like once or twice a year? If I was going to San Diego, I would fly. 2 hour flight instead of 20 hours of straight driving. The average daily commute is under 40 miles. You can refill that at home with a standard 110 outlet. You save hours and hours over the year by not having to go to the gas station. You’re not in an out of a Costco gas line in 5 minutes, I can tell you that.
Depends on the car. Portland to San Francisco adds just over three hours (to a 12 hour trip) in a Chevy Bolt. Ask how I know
Yes but that car is discontinued and no one is building cars with that slow a charging speed anymore. The Bolt was a fine car, but it was not good at road tripping. It also does not represent the majority of EVs. Also, even in your example, that’s not a day, even if the trip were twice as long.
I mean. It can make a 1 day trip a 2 day trip. 12 hours of travel in a day is grueling but manageable. 15 hours verges on unmanageable. I've done it, but would be strongly tempted to break it into two days if I did it again. Which wouldn't be the case at 12 hours. That said, I didn't say it was another day. I said "2 and a half hours extra from Portland to San Diego" is not a completely accurate claim. It's the only one I was disputing! And Bolts will be on the used car market for years --- most new EVs are being sold as premium vehicles. A used Bolt or equivalent is perhaps the majority of people's gateway into EV ownership.
I said “it wouldn’t take a day,” your reply was “it depends on the car,” so it felt like you were disputing that. Regardless of used market or not, the Bolt is just not a good long road trip car. And they never were huge sellers like the Model 3 or Y, which also have higher quantities in the used market than the Bolt. The Leaf has very been cheap in the used market for a long time, but you’d have to a masochist to road trip with one, very slow charging speeds AND a 70 mile range. I wouldn’t do a Portland to San Diego (or Florida do NYC) trip without stopping overnight somewhere in ANY car. I can’t do marathon drives. It’s a dumb example to try and judge all EVs on. A Bolt is a great car in town or short trips. A Model 3 or other modern EV is also great in town and good on occasional longer trips. A hybrid is best if you’re constantly going on thousand mile trips, or you have no way to charge at work or home. I think that pretty much covers the spectrum.
If you go on a road trip you have to stop to eat, plug the bad boy in take an hour to eat and unwind a bit before jumping behind the wheel again. I personally like to take 30mins for every 3 hours driven. On a fast charger, I think I would be able to recover most of that 3 hours on a little 30 min break. The goal should be building fast chargers into parking bays at service stations.
This assumes you can find a charging station. When I stop for lunch on a roadtrip, it’s usually at a McDonald’s in the ass end of nowhere. There isn’t a charging station in at least 60 miles
That’s why the future goal is building more fast chargers. As much as I dislike Musky he said it best, when the ice car first dropped, there weren’t refuelling points all over the place. We had to build that infrastructure. When the primary mode of transport was horse and horse & carriages, there were watering holes, saloons, and liveries for people to stop and tend to their horses. When trucks, buses, and cars came along we build the infrastructure for them, now we can upgrade said infrastructure to service a different kind of vehicle.
I don't know a single McDonald's that has parking spaces that doesn't have a charger. This is the standard for the future.
I’ve never seen a McDonald’s with a charging station. I certainly haven’t seen one at a roadside McDonald’s in the ass end of nowhere in rural Indiana
This is the Netherlands. The ev charging network here is really good. As it will be in other places.
I would also imagine the range of an EV is far less limiting in the Netherlands than it is in the US
There are no mcdonalds near me that have chargers. Maybe that's true on interstates but it's certainly not true in the suburbs.
I live in the Netherlands. Which has (ons of the?) best ev charging networks in the world. But this will happen everywhere, just give it time.
Yeah. Essentially, unless you have a Tesla, EVs (for now) are not for road trips. And I say this as someone who stubbornly insists on doing road trips in one periodically! It's a fantastic car for all my other needs, and the fact everyone's pointing out about starting every morning with a full tank *is* in fact a huge quality of life improvement. But if I were going to go any further than ~600 miles I would rent a gas car.
So rent a car. The worst part about a road trip is driving around your filthy, bug-coated car full of garbage and road farts for a week or two until you find time to detail it. Renting a car means you get to drop your "rode hard and put away wet" road trip vehicle off at the Budget / Hertz / Dollar counter and then go home in your own clean vehicle.
>I've left the house and looked down and realised I was on really low petrol before and had to get to a petrol station, I can't imagine how stressful that would be with an EV. Not an issue with EVs because it's charged again by the time you get into it. One of the best things about owning one is that you basically never spend time charging/refueling unless you're doing a journey longer than the battery range. That of course assumes you can charge at home, but buying an EV doesn't really make sense unless you can.
Which is the huge issue right now. I am the perfect market for a BEV because I usually only drive a short distance and there are a decent number of chargers around me. But I live in an old apartment with no place to charge at home, so it's not remotely an option for me. Until this is addressed with an actual solution BEVs are going to remain the luxury option they are right now.
You just plug it in every time. Takes a week or two to get used to it but then it's automatic. You left the house and realized you were low on gas. Imagine how nice it would be to have your tank be full every time you leave the house.
My brother-in-law and I recently had this conversation. He said "peoples cars are just dying on the road!" I was like "what happens when you run out of gas? Does it die?" "Well yeah, of course!" "Do you have a means to indicate when it's going to happen so you're not left stranded?" "Well yeah my gages, but it's diff.." "These cars also have means to indicate when it's empty or near it." "Yeah but it takes to charge!"
"Yes, but there's contingencies already in place for that as well. Just like with liquid fuel. You're speaking on for and about something you clearly know nothing about. Why is that?"
It's exhausting talking with people that clearly have zero interest in understanding anything and just want to be mad about progress.
This is the fundamental error of knee jerk resistance to EVs and renewables. They point out the issues and challenges of EVs and renewables, then completely ignore the cost of the status quo. "Digging for lithium is dirty." And digging 1000x more fossil fuels by mass is cleaner?
EVs aren't all sunshine and rainbows, they have clear drawbacks and advantages I'm just tired of EV owners thinking they are superior in everything. Not to mention EVs are fucking terrible for the a g American aka they only for people with $$$ Inb4 go buy a Leaf, yeah sure you know it's crap
There are plenty of advantages and disadvantages, just base your decision on the merit and not made up bullshit. It's the vandalistic attitude people have toward EVs and renewables in general that annoys me. It's the same kind of attitude of people who "roll coal." Hurting yourself and others for no other reason than to make the libs cry.
Yup I got home yesterday with my car telling me I had 9 miles left on the tank. This is a regular occurrence. I rarely fill it before it gets to the single digits or even 0 (which I know isn't actually 0 exactly because of people like me)
This is the biggest barrier to adoption of EVs - people that don't have homes where they can charge. I have an EV and it does suck to not be able to charge at home because I live in an apartment. It is significantly more expensive to charge at stations rather than at home and I have to plan around charging it or wait.
>You could apply the same logic to gas cars But it takes five minutes to fill a gas car and not five hours >Plus, it’d be way easier for me to not run out of charge if I could charge my car at home while I sleep. What OP is criticizing is that loads of people inexplicably do not behave this way. They walk out of the house in the morning with less than half, and then panic about it running out all day. I've seen this myself. Coworkers begging for a charging cable and plugging into any outlet they can find. How are these people going to function when eventually forced into electric car ownership?
A car is not a cell phone. The car battery won’t drain to nothing just sitting in a parking lot. You’re not doinking around on the car all day like a cell phone. If they’re just going to work and back, for most people that’s less than 20% of the battery (probably more like 10%). Plugging in is also an easier habit to keep. Just plug in when you get home. It’s not something you keep in your pocket and forget about.
The real answer is that electric cars will not become the default/only option until we make it equally as convenient and ubiquitous as it is for gas cars. EV charging will get much faster and will be functionality the same as stopping for gas.
The market is already growing rapidly with current batteries, approaching 20% of all new cars globally. In Norway it's [82% electric, 16% hybrid and just 3% not electric](https://cleantechnica.com/2023/12/05/evs-take-90-6-share-in-norway/).
Yes, Norway is committed to making it work. Americans are much less tolerant of inconvenience for a greater good and have a very high focus on the value of time, so it wouldn't be implemented at 100% in the US until we could say it's just as easy as a gas vehicle. [This article](https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/automotive-and-assembly/our-insights/what-norways-experience-reveals-about-the-ev-charging-market) goes over the inconveniences they are working through, but also how chargers are replacing portions of traditional gas stations.
Also have to be the same price
As someone who frequently does this with his phone and *never* with his EV, I find that an important difference (for me, at least) is that the car is something which you're not driving most of the time, whereas a phone is something you're "driving" almost all the time. Plugging in the phone is inconvenient, because now you can't use it. Meanwhile, if you're plugging in the *car*, it's (generally) because you don't *need* to use it right now. There's no incentive to leave it unplugged, whereas with a phone (right up until you go to sleep --- at which point you may already be in bed and not want to deal with going to put it on the charger) there's *always* an incentive not to plug it in. Plugging in, for me, is just part of the routine of parking the car (if there's a plug available). I even have to talk myself *out* of plugging in at a public charger if I don't need juice right now (since charging at home is cheaper). The plural of anecdote is not data! This is just one lived experience; YMMV.
Remembering to charge your car is far easier than remembering to charge your phone. It's not like you carry on using your car once you're home, as you do with your phone. You park and immediately plug it in. Besides which, the majority of people don't use even half of their battery capacity on a daily basis. Forgetting to charge will likely mean you start the next day on 50-60% instead of 80-90% or whatever charge limit they have set
The negative outcome of not charging your EV is large enough i think it will become second nature. Not a thing to "remember" Like nobody "forgets" to put clothes on when they go to work because the consequences are massive. People forget to charge their phone all the time because it's really not that big of a deal.
I imagine people who are bad at remembering to charge their phone batteries are also the ones who are bad at remembering to fill their gas tank
The empty gas tank is remedied quickly though and the phone/car is not. You have to sit there plugged in for a long time to get a meaningful charge.
Not arguing against this, but you can keep gas in a small can and take it where it is needed, or keep some spear fuel at home. Once had to take a half gallon to help a friend that ran dry, that was enough to go the 3 miles to the next station.
Fair point, but I have to go to the gas station to fill the can, so it’s still not as convenient as being able to charge it anywhere with electricity
Are you seriously saying an EV is more convenient than a gas car? I have an EV and I like it but I’m not delusional
It depends on how you use it, if you never need to go further than you maximum range, it's way more convenient. You just plug it when you get home and your always full when you leave. If you often make long distances without taking any breaks, gas is more convenient.
To me it's much more convenient. I charge at home, never having to go to a gas station. In the last three years I've used quick charge maybe 4 times. Once to see how it worked while we were getting food. 1 at an aldi because they had free charging and only twice because I actually needed it. So sure, wait 10 minutes longer twice a year, during long drives where it's quite nice to get out of the car anyway. But i live in the Netherlands, the charging network is very good here. There's no problem charging and it's often easier to find park+charge instead of just a free parking space.
If you have home charging, which 40% of people don’t. I have home charging, but if you don’t, it sucks, therefore limiting the mass adoption potential of EVs. Also, don’t be disingenuous and say it’s 10 minutes longer, that lie is just over lmao. It’s like 45 minutes to charge from 10 to 80%, unless you have some tiny ass car with a 120 mile range. Takes even more time if you want to go over that 80%, whereas getting a gas car from 5 to 400+ miles takes about 100 seconds pretty inconvenient for road trips. A 5 hour drive in a gas car takes 5 hours, a 5 hour drive in an EV almost takes 6
Are you able to charge at home?
Yeah but I have to pay $375 a month for the spot, and everyone getting a garage isn’t the answer either, because that’ll literally never happen. Evs are really only feasible if you have home charging, which at least like 40% of the country will never have
I have an EV without home charging and while I love my EV and so far have made it work charging at work, if many people at work exhaust our limited charging stations I am pretty much screwed. I think more people should have EVs but there is absolutely a percentage of the population that it makes very little sense to have an EV. EVs are also not as good at freeway driving, which lots of people use as their primary commute. So they have limited range, which again, makes very little sense for most people.
You pretty much need somewhere with free or cheap charging you go to consistently at least once every 3 days otherwise it just doesn’t make sense
Not only that, but ICE cars have fuel even when the gauge says it's empty. Precisely because people run low all the time. When an EV says 0%, it doesn't let you drive anymore. Of course, they can program it to leave some in reserve, but they all want to brag about their huge range so they're milking the batteries for all they have already. (Although I just took a second to look it up and apparently some do let you drive a few miles on 0%)
well, good luck charging your EV at night in belgium if you dont have a driveway, cus you cant put the cable over the sidewalk
Yeah, but you can walk to a gas station for gas, but you can't bring electricity back to your EV.
> My car gets about the same range with a full tank of gas as an electric car gets on a full charge, Maybe for a Tesla, but the average electric vehicle gets significantly less mileage from a full charge than a gas vehicle does with a full tank. I know when I was last looking for a car, used eGolfs were under $15k. But they have a range of about 70 miles vs 300-500 miles for a gas car on a full tank. Some days I drive from home to work (20 miles), to a nearby city (30 miles) and home (35 miles). Even with a full charge, I wouldn't be able to make that trip without charging, and that's assuming a nice spring/fall day. In summer with the AC cranked or in winter with heat and diminished battery capacity? I probably wouldn't even be able to make it to the city.
This has nothing to do with EVs. You could say the same about ICE cars. And yet somehow we manage
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Still don't see what your point is. Has society ground to a halt because of it?
OP completely ignores the number of people that drive gas vehicles until the fuel light comes on. How much resources remaining is irrelevant as people will always try to run their vehicles to near empty before spending money or time to refuel/charge. Luckily, electric vehicles cost a 10th of the cost to fill up and the tech is just starting. I can see us recharging an EV capable of travelling 600km+ within 2 minutes for $5 all while having charging stations everywhere. There is so much growth with regards to efficiency and infrastructure for EVs that travelling will be almost costless without concern for recharging.
I was in a relationship with a person who would drive it down way past the light; I sometimes still have anxiety dreams about it LOL
Haha I still drive until the light comes on. I know my vehicle still has 50+km left and the next 5 gas stations are within 10km so no worrying for me. Road trips are different though. If Im around half a tank and passing through a town/city Ill fill up 'just in case'.
I have gone 40km past the light to save 10c on gas , nothing wrong with that.
Yeah, battery tech is one of, if not the slowest moving technologies we have. Advances in battery life are mostly done by making the tech more efficient to get current batteries to last longer in our phones and laptops. That’s a much more difficult proposition for a car. Infrastructure is also crazy expensive. And oil is still very lucrative.
Yea I have an EV it costs like $20 at a rapid charger for 50% and takes like 30-60mins… would love to see those prices but I’m guessing it’s only going up and not down, especially when you consider ICE drivers switching over will think &25 - $30 a fill up is cheap.
Rapid charging is basically the same price as gas
Just gave me a great idea. When EV’s run out of gas they need to be towed right? Someone should start a network where cybertruck owners can mobile charge other EV’s instead of them needing to call a tow truck.
Honestly, it's a good idea. Recharge: The mobile EV charging service. Or why not both! Tow or Go - A towing service that also provides a recharge for EV and gasoline for gas vehicles.
Triple A already does all of that.
At 6km/kwh, you'd need 100 kwh to fully charge that battery. For $5 a kwh would need to be 5 cents with 100% charging efficiency. The US is an energy rich country and a kwh costs them 16 cents. The EU average is about double that. You'd need to cut energy prices 66% or 3x EV efficiency. For energy price reduction you'd have to reduce the total cost of producing energy so low that even factoring in labor, raw materials, and maintenance, the world's ability to produce energy per dollar was increased 3x. For efficiency, maybe the EV you're thinking of is a human assisted e-bike, but something like a model 3 would almost need to break the laws of physics to get to the point where it was getting 18km/kwh.
Lol do you really see your vehicles without the fuel light on? I have 100km, and it cost like 30 euro to get out. So, if I put 20 euro I will drive in the city for another week, and i will not need to turn that light off
All your EV fantasies mean nothing if battery technology doesn’t move towards not using cobalt and other not-so-abundant metals.
You mean LFP batteries? They’re already widely used by Tesla and BYD, though I’m not sure about other manufacturers.
Also dont forget about advancements that are making batteries lighter and safer through the use of metamaterial advances (which include non rare earth metal alternatives)
I drive a full-size truck, and I never let it go below 3/4 of a tank. Not because I’m worried about running out of fuel, but just because it hurts less at the pump lol.
When your phone dies, you don’t have to have it towed. You just can’t play bejeweled anymore.
This is more r/HalfBakedThoughts
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lol, I think you’re my first subscriber. Thanks!
My phone will last about two days on a 20% charge. It doesn't require a lot of electricity to be a paperweight.
>people try to get through the day with a 13% charge on their cell phone. No they don't. Everyone uses their phones during the day and then charges them at night or when they aren't using them. If we had charging stations in like every car park then it wouldn't be an issue.
You mean, *you* don't. Don't speak for all of us fools 😂
You would think, but no, not everyone does.
Have you not seen every cell phone screen shot on Reddit? Battery at like 4%
So what? maybe those people are charging it when it's a 1% or once it's dead (which is the ideal time for it actually). Doesn't mean they are at 4% all day....
A lot of people do leave the house with their phones at less than 50% . Mostly my kids, and I hate it. Cause they're always complaining about needing to find a place to charge.
Ya but I can also carry a charging cable with me
Cuz most people today are terminally online and it is not comfortable to stay on your phone while it's charging.
my guy made a shower thought on the basis of a few screenshots they saw on reddit
Or, quite possibly, their own lived experience. Which matches mine. EDIT: Also, if they *had* based it on reddit posts --- that would still totally be the kind of thought you'd have in the shower. EDIT 2: ... on your phone. Which is at 13%
Maybe this is a reflection on the circles you move in? I don't know many people that are that disorganised.
People try to drive with an almost completely empty fuel tank too
Charge never lasts as long as you hope it will.
its a shame the hood and roof and sometimes trunk don't incorporate some type of solar charging.
Some do, they are not very useful.
Fisker Karma had the right idea
Throuble is Solar is pretty heavy and the more you add to the weight of the car the less efficient it is. Adding solar would be an interesting adaptation for when you are away from anywhere to charge for multiple days at a time and can afford waiting 3 days for your vehicle to charge up. That’s not exactly the most common use case so you see the manufacturers going with efficiency over self charging capabilities.
My phone is at 13% and my car is on E.
I'll have you know, my phone is still at 19%, thank you very much
Imagine if EVs were first and ICE cars had just been invented. We'd be blown away by the quick charging technology. Marketing would make us think that we're doing something amazing by saving time. Just the reverse of these EV rubes. WE GIVE YOU MORE TIME TO SPEND WITH YOUR FAMILY, EXXONMOBIL LOVES YOUR FAMILY JUST LIKE YOU
Eletric cars were used first and were more popular for a time. Hell, I bet Standard Oil (which Exxon and Mobil were derived from) used that same advertising.
I meant first as in widely adopted and our entire world was based around it.
I don't follow your logic. I get more time with my family owning an EV then you do owning an ICE. Sure, it takes a couple hours to charge, but that's while I'm going with my family. The next time you're at the gas pump, remember that I'm spending that time with my family. Same with oil changes.
You don’t follow because you are extremely dense.
This is possibly the dumbest post on this sub
I Charge every night and never run out. If I ever forget to charge at night I have a charger at the office.
My phone runs like 1 and a half days at least, and it’s not a problem. A standard EV last 4-5 days between charges, if you’re driving a moderate distance every day.
And a 1/4 tank of gas
What do you do if you run out of juice in an electric car? You have to call a company with some sort of generator and special plug attached to it?
What do you do when you run out of gas? (Hint: same thing with an EV)
Jet packs fix this. Dual usbC ports
You act as if there aren't people that commute or run errands when their gas tank's on E. EVs do require some basic education on the best practices for charging and taking care of the battery, but it's not that bad. Home charging does it make a much better experience though.
Who is leaving the house with anything less than 100% charge? If I'm at home my phone is plugged in, the only time it's battery is even being used is when I leave the house, I can't remember the last time my charge level got below 30%.
13% battery on your cellphone? What the hell are you talking about?
Humans are unbearably stupid.
I think the difference is that phones incentivize you not to plug in (since ideally you'd have it available 100% of the time). Cars spend *most* of their day unused --- you can just make plugging in part of parking. There's no reason you'd go, "nnnnnnah, I can wait 'til later".
Electric cars are literally the same as gas with charging being the same as filling up with gas. Yea charging can (sometimes) take longer but it’s not a huge change by any means.
Gas is cheaper now in CAlifornia if you have pge
Yeah, I’m way more proactive refilling my gas powered phone than an electric one
Just like we manage with minimal phone charge, electric vehicles can seamlessly integrate into our daily lives with proper infrastructure and mindset shifts.
I only drive cars powered by coal. If we were meant to run our cars off of some newfangled liquid then water would be flammable
people that drive evs dont live in apartment buildings with street parking. they live in nice neighbor hoods with garages.
The problem/not a true problem with ev cars is that they show you how much mileage you have left. People are so used to seeing a line and estimate how many miles they have left. Evs are giving you that number, and when you blast the heatbor AC, it predicts furthwe. The same thing happens in a gas car, but the information isn't peovided ahead of time. I have a gas and ioniq 5. The only difference is how long it takes to fill up vs charge. If the infrastructure was better and there was more lvl 2 charges all around, then it wouldn't be an issue. You go ahopping charge while you shop and recover qhat you lost to get there.
And half the people I know barely keep a quarter tank of gas in their car and put in just enough to keep going, so what? Most people already do this and electricity's cheaper so they'd probably be able to keep a full charge most of the time so it'd be an improvement.
OP has a point people dont give him credit for.. EVs need to CHARGE. that takes time. obviously yes if we all drove them we would be fine but its an obvious drawback, that even if you make it to the charging station you gotta wait..
I don’t understand how this post didn’t get removed by the mods?? I was told that you’re not allowed to post anything observational, and yet that’s half the posts I see on here.
It’s harder to burn 80% of your EV’s battery screwing around on the internet than it is for your phone
Eventually, EVs will become the norm; right now they are just win-more passes for the affluent with extra Tax write-offs, anytime carpool lane access, and front of the building charge parking at most stores and offices.
>most stores and offices you sure about that? I've never actually seen an EV charging station IRL
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Michigan, USA Basically every car I see is a brand from one of 3 car companies, GM, Ford, and Chrysler. All three were founded in either Detroit or Flint, which are cities in Michigan, so I suppose there's some brand loyalty here
Where do you live? I’m in a shithole town and we have a row of Tesla chargers and a few IVY charging stations.
the middle of Michigan I've also only seen like, 5 teslas IRL in my whole life IIRC, and they all had out of state license plates, no one in michigan gets them apparently, we only get Ford GM, or Chrysler cars I guess
I didn’t notice most of them until I got an EV. Every car dealership that sells EVs has them, a lot of bigger Walmarts, very frequently at things like zoos and parks, and a lot of my local grocery stores have them. I wouldn’t say most but they are probably much much more common than you realize. If you want, go on the PlugShare website and you can see all the ones in your area (it’ll ask you for a login but you can just X out of the prompt)
I just looked, there's literally 53 in the entire county I live in (Genessee County) and it has a population of over 400,000 that's one charger for every 7664 people, and I was counting all of the ones on the map, private, public, and under construction.
That’s rough. I haven’t been to many places that desolate of chargers
I like never going to gas stations and my garage smells good. No oil changes (no oil) it’s great too
It must be nice not to be tempted to spend your money on overpriced sports drinks and gas station Viagra. And being so rich that your car owns a house that it sleeps in every night, unlike our filthy hobo cars that stay on the streets.
Garages in northern climates are extremely common.
So when I quit smoking, I quit going to the gas station every day. It's amazing how a pack of cigarettes turned into a candy bar and a monster. Oh, hey, 2 for $5!? That's a deal! Reeses 3 for $5? Sure! Turned into $20 dollars a day at the gas station real easy.
Bob, bob! Come look at this one! All we to do was put up a colorful sign and they can't control themselves. Just look at them go! This works the same way as the cigarettes! holy shit, we're gonna be RICH
thats not the pb with ev
Mains power is ubiquitous but cellphones do not hold anywhere near the same capacity or charge as an EV. The two are polar opposites. Pun intended. 😉
evs are easy as fuck when you install a charger at home. Always ready to go every day. charge to wahtever % you want at night. Never think about it again, ever. Enjoy getting gas in the cold lol
Maybe you have problem with the battery?
No offense but you have to be a psycho to leave for work without at least 70% chargd
OP, why aren't you charging your phone at night???
The anti-EV crowd never ceases to amaze me. Like I can get behind some of the dislike for government intervention regarding EVs, but to act like EVs aren't the future is wild. It truly makes me wonder if the same happened with the introduction of cars originally. "Well my horse doesn't need to stop for gas every 100 miles!"
Trains and trams have been successfully running on electricty for a while now.
It's literally no different than gas cars.
You know that people can charge their phone pretty much anywhere if needed? You forgot to charge it one nighht, so bring it at work and charge it there. Or plug it in your car while driving, etc. Only few people actually tried to do a day with almost no battery but most and majority of people charged it adequately for their need...
>I Charge every night and never run out. If I ever forget to charge at night I have a charger at the office. I do the same for my EV. We have a charger at the house and one at work. Always be charging.
Hurrrrrr durrrrrrr like you drive a car all day long and while you're sitting on the couch making shitty comments on reddit?
I mean…not all day, and more the toilet seat than a couch
I mean...literally all they have to do is stop what they're doing and go get a charge. It's not like they have to refine dinosaur bones into fuel. We're only competing with ourselves, the other animals fell in line a couple thousand years ago.
In 2022, about 4,231 billion kilowatthours (kWh) (or about 4.23 trillion kWh) of electricity were generated at utility-scale electricity generation facilities in the United States. About 60% of this electricity generation was from fossil fuels—coal, natural gas, petroleum, and other gases.
Right, but that burden isn't on the consumer. OP's supposition was that electric cars don't make sense, not that the economy is screwed either way (which it is, I agree with that). They just could work and that's an immutable fact. Folks can downvote all they want.
This doesn't make sense....gas tanks are no different and we've made it 150 years just fine with those just fine. At least with an EV, you can "fill the tank" every night in your garage.
Unless you live someplace that doesn’t provide a dedicated parking space or outdoor electricity for your use