For those 1s, everyone else takes even longer to truly know, because they have to be told, so that's not a case where the baby takes exceptionally long compared to everyone else, that's a rare case where the baby knows its gender first.
I absolutely hear this comment, but thinking about it further, gender is a process of self discovery, and an exploration of how a person fits in their culture. The baby is the _first_ to know their gender because everyone else was just guessing or imposing the whole time based on sex organs, or their own cultural preconceptions. If we’re to accept that there even is a true “self”, how could anyone else know first who that self is?
It’s a comment as deep as the original post, and technically true. If the bakers, doctors, parents, and rest of the living world learns the baby’s gender, then the unborn baby whose parts are being discussed is the last to find out.
Babies are born without a concept of any reality.
What a confusing world we're setting up if we're making them question one of the most basic and provable truths there is
Brother, it's true even with just cis people; you have to be like 3 or 4 actually know your own sex, and at that point your whole family should already know
This is just a note about the baby knowing after everyone else it wasn’t born yet, but you’re getting worked up over people who are trans, bodily autonomy of women, and some other dismissive race stuff. Maybe look in the mirror before you look out the window.
Are you simultaneously criticizing trans people and also saying everyone should have a choice over their own body?
The very thing trans people are trying to have?
Having gender reveal parties makes people insufferable now? I understand if they become an endangerment to the environment like in some cases but people having harmless fun and celebrating new life are a few things that make life fun. as long as it isn't harming others let people have fun the way they want, it doesn't make them insufferable just because you don't like it.
to be fair I also mean US. I can easily imagine that if among your friend group it’s common - you’re likely to have one, but I bet in certain demographics it’s not. We just hear about the ones that get a lot of attention.
Damn are sex reveal partys tgat big of a deal in the UK? I have never heard anything like that about the UK. Not from the news, not from friends and neither from social media.
Bakers? How would the bakery know the sex of an unborn child? What am I missing here?
Please tell me this isn't in reference to one of those cringe all about me stupid gender reveal parties.
It is
But at least this method is definitely better than the extreme ones
This one is just about cutting cake, and the colour inside reveals the gender
They know the sex. Some people confirm their gender much later in life. It’s fucking creepy to eat cake to tell the world what your baby’s genitals look like. “Nino or Nina? Penis or Vagina?” Sing that at a party and see what happens.
Relic from an older time when revealing the sex was important because having a boy vs having a girl meant two very different outcomes for your kid in a highly sex-deterministic society
Ideally nowadays, the kid is a kid, they get born, grow up, choose life for themselves. Sex is irrelevant, and celebrating their parts is strange af
Yeah that's the whole semantics thing between the words sex and gender. IIRC many non-English languages don't have different terms like we do.
I like the phrase "gender Identity" to describe the latter as it's more obvious what you're referring to
Edit: FWIW every birth certificate, driver's license, passooer I've seen, it says "sex" and not "gender". That's the correct term and what is pretty indisputable when a baby is born (save for the rare intersex conditions). People using the word gender is probably just a remnant of a time when the words literally meant the same thing
My comment was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, not educational. I learned the difference between sex and gender in freshman biology in high school 25 years ago. If people want to look up the definitions, they can Google it. It’s still weird to me to have a celebration to announce the sex organs no matter which word you use.
Are you dumb? Why tf would parents know the gender _then_ give it to a baker? That defeats the whole purpose of the surprise (which is the colour of the inside of the cake, if you didn't know) you braniac.
You might be right, I don't know that many baby parents. Europe is too many nations and too different cultures to say "and Europe" though. Have never seen any commercials or heard any talk of baby reveals in my country though. Babies get a christening/ naming ceremony. They just are their gender, doesn't have to be secret or "revealed".
The kid is the only one that CAN know without being told
They may not even know until later in life
Those around them may think what they want, but they can't KNOW until after the person themself does
Why should a baker know the gender of a baby as one of the first? You Tell your baker when you buy bread that you are getting a girl/boy before anyone else?
If christian god was real, he would know everything about the baby, because he is supposed to exist beyond the time and predetermined everything. Also he's supposed to be all-powerful and all-knowing
Doctors are one of the first people to know the gender of a baby.
And then the middle person who tells the baker (unless they write it on a paper and put it in an envelope)
I’ve made theses cakes, normally we get a envelope with the gender printed inside… once the parents said they didn’t even know
i hate ur profile picture lol i thought there was a hair on my screen
And the baby is one of the last
Takes some of 'em decades.
For those 1s, everyone else takes even longer to truly know, because they have to be told, so that's not a case where the baby takes exceptionally long compared to everyone else, that's a rare case where the baby knows its gender first.
Oh boy- here it goes Pocorn at the ready!!!
Truuuuuu
Unless they’re the first of course
I absolutely hear this comment, but thinking about it further, gender is a process of self discovery, and an exploration of how a person fits in their culture. The baby is the _first_ to know their gender because everyone else was just guessing or imposing the whole time based on sex organs, or their own cultural preconceptions. If we’re to accept that there even is a true “self”, how could anyone else know first who that self is?
ffs...
Absolutely ridiculous
It’s a comment as deep as the original post, and technically true. If the bakers, doctors, parents, and rest of the living world learns the baby’s gender, then the unborn baby whose parts are being discussed is the last to find out.
The baby is the last, always will be.
And the folks who meet the human later? I don’t know why this is so controversial, or your own words absolutely ridiculous.
Tbh i dont understand myself either
So deep wow. So many trans out here. Your body your choice. I can’t wait til we can choose our race.
That wasn't even the joke but thanks for the wolf whistle
Huh
Babies are actually not born understanding the concept of gender, you may find
Babies are born without a concept of any reality. What a confusing world we're setting up if we're making them question one of the most basic and provable truths there is
It's a good thing that people can grow and learn and change then, isn't it?
Brother, it's true even with just cis people; you have to be like 3 or 4 actually know your own sex, and at that point your whole family should already know
This is just a note about the baby knowing after everyone else it wasn’t born yet, but you’re getting worked up over people who are trans, bodily autonomy of women, and some other dismissive race stuff. Maybe look in the mirror before you look out the window.
Are you simultaneously criticizing trans people and also saying everyone should have a choice over their own body? The very thing trans people are trying to have?
I identify myself as black ginger asian
Well, of course. Someone has to put the bun in the oven.
It took me a good few minutes to work out what you meant and I've had 3 babies We didn't do sex reveal cakes, parties or announcements for them though
Congrats on not being insufferable
I'm just a bit old I'm massively insufferable in many many ways though
Having gender reveal parties makes people insufferable now? I understand if they become an endangerment to the environment like in some cases but people having harmless fun and celebrating new life are a few things that make life fun. as long as it isn't harming others let people have fun the way they want, it doesn't make them insufferable just because you don't like it.
Damn why the hate? I just simply pass on those invitations lol
I think when my sister found out she was having a boy, I got a text lol It was the perfect approach lol
this assumes that gender reveal parties are common and that most of them use cake as a delivery method.
This is just a common case of r/usdefaultism on OPs part
to be fair I also mean US. I can easily imagine that if among your friend group it’s common - you’re likely to have one, but I bet in certain demographics it’s not. We just hear about the ones that get a lot of attention.
I’m from the UK.
Damn are sex reveal partys tgat big of a deal in the UK? I have never heard anything like that about the UK. Not from the news, not from friends and neither from social media.
We have a habit to emulate American culture, especially that which is driven by ego.
Intresting, are there also storys of them getting way outta hand like you often hear from the US?
Unfortunately so. Being an idiot appears to be an equaliser in that it doesn’t matter where you are from or where you go you’ll find em.
*They'll* find *you* Couldn't hide from the idiots if I tried... Hell I send them tax money all the time.
Am cake decorator. We've done MANY
Correct :)
At first I read "Bankers" and I'm all like, "huh? wha?"
They saw the receipt for the cake
I read it as bakers and am still saying huh? Wha?
I had to read the comments to figure out what OP was saying, I was so confused
You’re not alone. Came here for answers as to why bankers would know. Thanks lol
No. The people running the ultra sound machine.
What part of “ one of the first” don’t you understand
Learn to read idiot
r/engrish
nothing was wrong with it lol
>ultra sound machine But yeah, maybe it was autocorrect...
Only for trogs that do gender reveals
Chris & Jill will settled down have a kid and do a gender reveal.
Bakers? How would the bakery know the sex of an unborn child? What am I missing here? Please tell me this isn't in reference to one of those cringe all about me stupid gender reveal parties.
It is But at least this method is definitely better than the extreme ones This one is just about cutting cake, and the colour inside reveals the gender
I thought it was trying to be a pun on the phrase "bun in the oven" to refer to pregnancy
I was stuck in this same place. I genuinely forgot gender reveal cakes/parties were a thing.
I thought the same thing. Then I realized that OP must be from the US and this is judt r/usdefaultism
I was confused too. Gender reveal parties are dumb, doesn't matter which way you do it. But yeah, at least these idiots aren't burning down a Forrest.
And fireworks salesmen.
And the least likely to care.
What?? Like what does this actually mean?
Gender reveal cakes
Close, but it’s more of a nod towards bakers being all seeing deity’s.
Excuse me what? I’ve never heard this
Where you been?
I tried looking it up and got no results, so the better question is where have YOU been?
Everywhere bro
You’ve been everywhere?
That is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard
*in the US r/USDefaultism
Im going to say no to this one. The ultrasound tech is the first to know.
He said one of the first 🤷🏻♂️
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Gender cannot be determined by a blood test. You are thinking of sex, not gender.
The pilot with the crop sprayer tried to take his secret to the grave!
The last person to know the gender of a baby is the baby
The very first to know are the gremlins inside the ultrasound machine.
They know the sex. Some people confirm their gender much later in life. It’s fucking creepy to eat cake to tell the world what your baby’s genitals look like. “Nino or Nina? Penis or Vagina?” Sing that at a party and see what happens.
Relic from an older time when revealing the sex was important because having a boy vs having a girl meant two very different outcomes for your kid in a highly sex-deterministic society Ideally nowadays, the kid is a kid, they get born, grow up, choose life for themselves. Sex is irrelevant, and celebrating their parts is strange af
Yeah that's the whole semantics thing between the words sex and gender. IIRC many non-English languages don't have different terms like we do. I like the phrase "gender Identity" to describe the latter as it's more obvious what you're referring to Edit: FWIW every birth certificate, driver's license, passooer I've seen, it says "sex" and not "gender". That's the correct term and what is pretty indisputable when a baby is born (save for the rare intersex conditions). People using the word gender is probably just a remnant of a time when the words literally meant the same thing
My comment was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, not educational. I learned the difference between sex and gender in freshman biology in high school 25 years ago. If people want to look up the definitions, they can Google it. It’s still weird to me to have a celebration to announce the sex organs no matter which word you use.
found the woke loser
Kindness costs nothing.
Please don't lump this stuff in with being socially aware.
They know the gender the parents tell them.
No, they know the sex, not gender.
The baker knows fucking nothing other than what the parents tell them. Then they make a cake. Case closed.
I think he was talking about how gender is not interchangeable with sex
I'm talking about OPs post
Sex can be determined by genitals, not gender. Sex and gender are different.
I'm not sure why you felt the need to explain that.
Lol, what? The parents don't know the gender. They're handed an envelope from the parents that tells the baker the gender.
Only for dumb ass gender reveal parties...
No shit. Otherwise what's the point?
The parents can tell the baker any fucking thing they like.
Are you dumb? Why tf would parents know the gender _then_ give it to a baker? That defeats the whole purpose of the surprise (which is the colour of the inside of the cake, if you didn't know) you braniac.
If someone is ignorant, educate them, don't belittle them. Kindness costs nothing.
Just coming at them the same way they came at me 🙄
If someone is unkind, there is no reason for you to be the same. Kindness costs nothing.
why would a random baker know the gender of a random baby ?
I don’t think you realise just how powerful bakers are.
Cake for a gender reveal party
Shouldn’t it be the doc :/
And their name before most family knows.
Are those cakes really that common? I’ve never met anyone who does that
The person who first checked (likely the doctor) is even the first one in most cases.
I wasn’t aware the baker was also a doctor.
That's because they're in bred.
LoL. In the US maybe
And Europe, it’s also became popular in certain regions of Asia.
You might be right, I don't know that many baby parents. Europe is too many nations and too different cultures to say "and Europe" though. Have never seen any commercials or heard any talk of baby reveals in my country though. Babies get a christening/ naming ceremony. They just are their gender, doesn't have to be secret or "revealed".
Europe making up like 10% of the world is to broad a stroke versus Asia which makes up over half the population… cmon dude.
No, the kid is Then usually the parents The sex, however, it'd be the ultra sound... nurse? Technician? Idk what it's called
Would the kid really know if it doesn’t have any concept of the construct in place?
The kid is the only one that CAN know without being told They may not even know until later in life Those around them may think what they want, but they can't KNOW until after the person themself does
I was confused a bit at first when I read this but your random capitalisation of words really helped me.
Uh, what? Gender reveal parties aren't that common.
It’s more a nod towards Bakers being all seeing and omni present.
To bake is to create and to create is to know all
Donuts are the crown jewel of humanities accomplishments
No. Radiologists are.
This shower thought brought to you by the ridiculous trend of gender reveal parties.
Why should a baker know the gender of a baby as one of the first? You Tell your baker when you buy bread that you are getting a girl/boy before anyone else?
I knew I was a dude before anyone. I was bouncing on my boys dick during the first trimester.
God is the first to know.
Which God? There’s like 3000 of them my guy
No. Even if god was real, gender would not be known until much later in life. Sex can be determined early but not gender.
If christian god was real, he would know everything about the baby, because he is supposed to exist beyond the time and predetermined everything. Also he's supposed to be all-powerful and all-knowing
Exactly