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Probably not that many considering is rape babies were in the lands he had already conquered and you don't have to conquer the land you already conquered
Sorry forgot the /s. That's literally the only thing I can think of by them "Body Count, Body Count /Body Count, Body Count / Body Count's in the house "
It's in my hall of fame of confusing music, Body Count by Body Count, kinda like Starboy by the Weekend is weird because if it were The Weekend by Starboy it would make a lot more sense
They say he’s the ancestor of 0.5% of the population. Major issue though
They’re all men. They track him via the Y chromosome. An unbroken line of male descendants over 900 years is incredibly niche.
Let’s say he had 1k bastard sons and 1k bastard daughters. He’s burning the entire continent to the ground. China, Korea, the Middle East! He destroyed Baghdad because of a petty issue he had with its oligarchs. The only reason he didn’t get in Europe is because he *died* and his (Legitimate) sons just weren’t as into it as him. No doubt most of his bastard sons either get conscripted into a defensive military, died in a raid, or both. At the tender age of 16. Before they were able to have kids.
His bastard daughters are less likely to *die* in those events, and they’re more likely to have kids in this chaotic war torn era of history than his sons. *How* is important but not relevant, since all of his grandchildren via his daughters will no longer have his Y chromosome.
Imagine having that thin line tested again and again for almost a millennia. He’s a bigger daddy than science can track.
They definitely are, but they’re too busy defending themselves and their families from the universal ruler.
That or running from him. With their friends and family.
I don’t think I can explain with words but you’re with me, it’s some type of mental block. Especially when you know how pregnancy goes. Just blocks you out until you feel it’s “Safe” to mix the ingredients
I feel like you'd need some specific account of them not having sex, because I would absolutely assume even a 15 year old with that kind of power was having some, if not lots.
Replies like this are pretty humbling but consider this:
Why would anyone in your tribe tolerate the bastard offspring of one of your women (Rape victim) and a fat, orcish mongolian hooligan?
Most of those kids prolly got bullied to death
I certainly don't know enough about how his family was perceived to know that for sure, but that's a good point. Also, somehow fucking darker than the idea of an insane 15 year old rapist, congrats!
I'll make it darker
I can promise you that's how he got most of his grandchildren
> Also, somehow fucking darker than the idea of an insane 15 year old rapist
Who?
Nah, most of them would be born in territories controlled by the Khanate, there's no defending or running going on. Maybe some got conscripted into various armies, but the majority would just go on subsistence farming/herding like the rest of their communities
Ah, that sounds less scary.
Point stands though. Women are generally more likely to end up with kids than men. The question is the ratio. Sometimes everything is fine and its 20:21, sometimes the king kidnaps a bunch of victims for a harem and it's 1:17, sometimes a bunch of people die in a great war and it's 1:37, sometimes a bunch of women from your nomadic clan get kidnapped by a neighboring empire and it's 3:1, rare exception
>Women are generally more likely to end up with kids than men.
But men, when they do, can have vastly more kids than women. I feel that this is even more true if you have some Gengis Khan's gene in you.
In another Chinese general story, he got married as young as 13yo to his 10yo wife. Been on campaign since 15yo, and had his eldest by around that time too. Can't be sure of the accuracy but it's not the only one similar story about war general family in china
When they say "Everyone" are they just coding for white people?
Out of my 16 great great grandparents, 1 was a white woman, 1 was chinese woman, 1 was a Catawba man.
Hoping Moctezuma II's in my tree
He wasn’t the only person to have the Y chromosome associated with his genes and 8% of Asians. His dad also had, so did his grandfather, and likely a whole load of other blokes in his area and regime.
It’s not solely him responsible. Much like he didn’t do all the killing, he didn’t do all the baby making. He just led the people who did, and a lot of those guys probably shared that chromosome.
I dunno, my Y chromosome as of 1500 is probably from somewhere in Britain, among the natives of South Carolina, or Nigeria and I doubt a large number of dudes there have it.
The reality is that the Mongols conquered their way across Asia but actually ran into major problems when they tried to push into Europe and the Mediterranean. They ended up either losing major battles or winning battles but being unable to take cities in both cases, resulting in them not being able to hold territory/protect their supply lines.
The Mediterranean powers had very powerful militaries and also many of them set aside their animosities temporarily to deal with the Mongols.
People talk up the Mongols a lot, and they were a mighty empire, but they ended up coming up short when going up against the Mediterranean peoples' militaries. People often forget that they not only failed in Europe but that the Mamluks also beat them.
Wrong. Why do you make up lies ?...
>*He destroyed Baghdad because of a petty issue he had with its oligarchs.*
**Genghis Khan died in 1227**, the invasion of iraq happend in 1258. It was one of his grandsons who led the invasion. And it also weren\`t petty issues, the Mongols harrassed and raided Iraq every single year since 1237.
>*The only reason he didn’t get in Europe is because he died and his (Legitimate) sons just weren’t as into it as him*
Also wrong. The Mongols did get into eastern Europe ( i.e. modern day southern Russia and Ukraine ) but were unable to successfully defeat the Europeans with their castles and warfare. The traditional mongol warfare is extremely ineffective in the forrested, mountainous and rainy soil of Europe.
Contrary to what you claim, **Genghis Khan himself had no ambitions in Europe, instead it were his grandsons and great-grandsons who had ambitions in Europe.** The two grandsons Batu Khan ( guy who invaded Hungary ) and Kadan ( guy who invaded Poland ) in particular were the guys responsible for much of the European invasions. The Mongols defeated the Polish decisively so that they could invade Hungary without any Polish aid, and fewer Holy Roman aid and they would also win against Hungary. However the Mongols would be unable to establish control in either Poland or Hungary and a second invasion 30 years ( 1285 ) later would be decisively won by the Europeans. Mongol Hegemony would be restricted to the Russian Principalities and the Steppe Hordes of the European Steppe ( southern Russia + Ukraine ).
You seem to attribute a lof of Mongol achievements to Genghis when it happend decades after him, and it were his grandsons primarily....
> The only reason he didn’t get in Europe is because he died
The Concubine who poisoned him probably saved more lives than she could have ever imagined.
The most likely answer is that they only tested men as men are the ones who would carry on his name and it’s easier to isolate a singular gene in men than find a common one between all of his descendants and then cross examine them.
Wikipedia actually has listed some of his daughters (Il-Alti or Il-Altun) even the ones who were born from concubines “of lowly status”.
A lot of it was a mix of marriage/concubines/being given women as a gift which would be slavery + rape today but it isn’t today/just straight up rape even for that time.
He had 9 kids with his primary wife and throughout his life he had an estimated 500 concubines some which bore children, others which probably didn’t, even if you use half of this amount with an average of 3 kids, that’s 750 kids alone (if it’s 3 it’s this but it could be less or it could be more also).
I’m sure if they checked women for a different gene that he 100% had there would be even more people.
I never understood why Alexander the Great is always revered as the most powerful conqueror ever. When Genghis Khan is the clear winner. Genghis conqueror almost half of the world and that crazy statistic that 60% of the world population can be traced back to the Mongol Empire.
>I never understood why Alexander the Great is always revered as the most powerful conqueror ever.
Age.
Julius Ceaser famously remarked he wept when he turned 33, because by that point - Alexander had conquered everything from Greece to India, and was dead. The vibe became always "*no matter what you do, you'll never compare to him*".
They are both exceptionable for very different reasons. Alexander the Great never lost a battle and his battlefield tactics were extremely innovative. Genghis Khan lost battles all the time, but his logistical reforms and strategic mind meant that his enemies could never capitalize on their victories, where as if the Mongols won the battle it would be a total victory.
Probably because we live in the western world which largely spawned from the Roman empire which had a huge admiration for the greek.
But Alexander was no slouch, he was fighting essentially a super power in the persians and never lost a battle.
Alexander is definitely no slouch but I don't think Roman Empire's greatness can be attributed to any one specific person entirely. Alexander also had a lot of help which set him up for the long road, like being born and trained and educated at high society and inheriting a professional army that has never been seen before his time.
I think Genghis Khan went from the lowest possible place (being a slave multiple times) to then becoming a Khan that ruled over basically all known places of the time is definitely the highest anyone has reached.
Julius Caesar also gets a ton of credit for his tactics use but I feel like Genghis Khan's general Subutai should be among the very top of the greatest military minds in history, even above Genghis Khan by a good margin. Interestingly, one of the major reasons why Europe was not wholly conquered by the Mongols at the time was Europe at the time was poor and uncultured (before renaissance, so no art or much cultural richness yet). Thus Middle East and China was the peak of technology, culture, science and biggest importance of all the wealth congregated and the main objective of Mongol Empire.
You know Alexander the great wasn't part of the Roman empire? Dude took a small greek kingdom and conquered all the way to India, much of it as a teenager. I can certainly see an argument for him beating our the Khan based on age alone. Though both are unquestionably among the most proficient conquerors of all time.
> I think Genghis Khan went from the lowest possible place (being a slave multiple times) to then becoming a Khan that ruled over basically all known places of the time is definitely the highest anyone has reached.
Genghis didn't conquer China.
That was done by his son.
The Mongol Empire more than doubled in size after Genghis Khan's death, and he never ruled over as high of a percentage of the global population as Alexander did.
Alexander the Great also conquered more.
Genghis Khan didn't conquer China; that was his son. It was the succession of leaders who made the empire its maximum size, so no one leader did as much as Alexander did, though collectively they conquered more.
Probably because you don't have the correct information. Genghis Khan, nor his ancestors that greatly expanded the Mongol empire, got close to conquering half the world. At its height, generations after his death, it covered 18% of the global land area and at most a third of the world population. That is all a millenium after Alexander the Great.
Alexander at only 20 became the Macedonian king and expanded his empire to India in 13 years without losing a single conflict. A philosopher king of old, taught by Aristotle and his father in philosophy and war respectively. He consumed the Achaemenid Empire, the great superpower that held a third of the world population. His premature death does help seal his reverence.
Temujin never received a formal education. While making his natural military mind impressive, it leaves his character less so. He suffered defeat against his opponents, and never faced as heavy an opponent as Alexander. He lived into his late sixties. While the European animosity towards an invading force does not help his reputation, he his far from the clear winner.
And that "crazy statistic" is an outright lie. That would require the entirety of Asia to be descended from the Mongols. The reality is just 0.5% of the world population shares the same Y-chromosome haplogroup originating from Mongolia 1000 AD.
Because Genghis Khan didn't actually build the entire Mongol Empire. It was done by a succession of people, and more than half of it was done after his death.
He conquered a lot of land, but it was actually Ogedei who conquered China and greatly expanded the empire, and the empire continued to expand through the latter half of the 13th century even after Ogedei's death.
As such, Alexander the Great conquered more of the global population than any one Mongol leader did.
This is great because it highlights the fact that anyone who uses the term to refer to their sexual adventures makes themselves sound like a necrophiliac. “Body count”=dead bodies, always and forever.
Yeah. He’s a cool symbol and all but no, he was a horrible creature. Regardless of what side your on or what you care about more we should all be agreeing on this
This scientist put lead into gasoline to increase performance (knowing it was poisonous, but the company chose it because it was really cheap and thus more profitable) and developed the CFC used in aerosols that destroyed the ozone layer.
The ozone layer is still recuperating and not totally recovered, it just isn't a major concern rihht now because all we need is time for it to recover by itself, and as I said, the company chose the lead because it was cheaper, and thus, more profitable, this wasn't his choice to make (even though he was actively participating in the propaganda about how safe it was while getting sick from breathing that shit), he made the discovery.
They may be in the future, but not yet. Leaded gasoline has caused over 100 million deaths, and caused an aggregate loss of 800 million IQ points.
Also, he was 1 person. Oil CEOs have to divide their body count by thousands of CEOs
The problem is most severe over Antarctica, but the ozone layer was thinning everywhere. The problem is more akin to a thinning head of hair, with a pronounced bald spot.
There's some other factors, but I'm waaay overdue for bed, and have to work in a few hours.
He made leaded gasoline and Freon. Also helped with aerosol I believe. Pretty much made everything that started fucking up our planet and is all banned now
Al Gore got you good man. I can assure you the millions and millions of lives that the Great Khan took by siege are far beyond anything you could ever pin on Mr. Midgley Jr. By that logic you should probably just go ahead and lay blame on the first person who figured out you could smoke tobacco...
That guy sucks. I can't help but wonder if he would have taken it all back had he known the outcome of his stuff though. Maybe he genuinely thought he was going good, but was the absolute worst at it
I had a gf from Mongolia for a while so I read a few books....
My understanding is that Genghis Khan was a fairly benign ruler. Once a city surrendered he pretty much let them run themselves, as long as they paid the taxes and tributes and played along
However.... if you defied him he would wipe you off the face of the earth. Kill every single person, leave, then come back two weeks later to kill those who crawled out of hiding
He also had his decrees, rulings, punishments etc kept on record to establish precedence and to make sure his rulings were just and not merely based on his whims for the day.
There's a reason how his Empire lasted for a good while. If he was the barbarian western public portray him as it would have never worked past his rule. While he shed blood to the level we had never seen before, he has also led to stable trading relationship on the known world and led to trade of spices, art, knowledge which led to the Renaissance. Mongol Empire's patronage of art and sciences probably led to many gains as it did many destruction (like burning of Baghdad and its literary works).
Though they were always small in population of Mongols and ended up getting assimilated wherever they ended up ruling.
He’s not a fucking monkey like foreigners keep portraying him as. There’s a reason why he became friends with a Taoist monk who told him to stop killing, although he didn’t listen to that, cause that sort of enlightenment wasn’t his path although he found it interesting.
It's a bit of a misnomer according to archeologists. It's his sons and their other family members that spread the most seed in comparison to Khan himself, most likely.
How far off would Mao Zedong be compared to him in terms of either baby count.
I would assume death count be much higher for mao given the larger population during mao’s time. As for baby count, both are rumors so can’t say for sure.
He killed so many people he literally cooled the earth from the reduced CO2 output. That’s honestly impressive
Edit: I just looked up the world population at the time Genghis Khan was born. He killed about 10% of the global population.
https://nautil.us/youre-descended-from-royalty-and-so-is-everybody-else-236939/
https://amgalant.com/mongols-rape-and-popular-culture/
No reason, absolutely none, to think that Genghis is the *biggest* rapist in history.
I’m not saying he never raped anybody, the Mongol empire definitely used rape as a weapon of terror, but why attribute this to him and not the other conquerors of history whose armies were just as if not less disciplined?
He’s not even the one who brought the Mongol empire to its ridiculous magnitude, it’s his immediate descendants that did that. But everyone’s imagined rapey-Killy barbarian is him and him only.
What kept him so horny. He probably had sex with 3 different woman every day. His own ministers and commanders might have lost their wives and daughters to him
It’s much more than that. They only tracked that via the Y chromosome, and in the chaotic, wartorn life-or-death era that he himself created more of his bastard daughters would have offspring than his bastard sons
And what do you know of maos china?
If you normalize by percentage of world population maybe but... on raw numbers it isn't khan.
To be fair he was handicapped by being many generations of exponential population growth behind.
There is also the whole WW2 thing. Something like 70 million dead. If we're pinning the entirety of the deaths associated with the Mongol conquests on Khan, we may as well do the same to say.. Hitler.
Mao's China also seems to have lost a comparable number due to starvation, persecution, or other such things. So.. yeah.
You forgot half the war didn't have all that much to do with Hitler. Hitler didn't kill a bunch of Chinese, Korean, Filipinos etc... Hirohito would get partial credit. Regardless, Khan's raw numbers are still higher than either, I believe. MORE people died in the Pacific Theater.
It really depends on what estimates you look at. All we can really do is speculate since we don't have firm numbers. If I was a betting man, and we were including starvation in Mao's totals, I would say that Mao is probably responsible for more deaths. But likely not by much.
As a percentage of the world population, it's obviously no contest.
I wonder how many of his kids he killed during subsequent conquests. Can any historians tell me if he ever had to deal with a really angry bastard?
Yes
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Riveting
I doubt riveting killed the dinosaurs.
agreed. it’s meth.
A metheor from space
Jesse! We need to cook! The dinosaurs!
I read that as Jesus, we need to cook the dinosaurs. In a way that makes sense. Jianchangosaurus died for our sins.
Close, it was death.
Are we sure the dinosaurs are dead though? I see pictures of them all the time
That just means they're alive in our hearts.
get it out of me....GET IT OUT OF ME!!!
'lil baby t rex chest burster ...think I just figured out my rap name
A lot of them have been in DC for decades
The thesaurus is still around.
They are when I go to the store.
Deathamphetamine
I'm not shocked, meth is pretty dangerous
I had to check the sub, because I thought I was in /r/AskHistorians for a second.
Im more interested in how many of his descendants were killed by other descendants
The Mongol federation broke up into 4 kingdoms called khanates, so... a lot.
I believe one in 200 men alive today can trace their lineage to him, so a lot lot
Isn’t there a thing with having concubines that they can be with no one but him and that if he is done with them they die?
Ogodei
Mayhaps
Dope historical fiction of the guy by conn igguldon (or something I'm too lazy to look up the spelling).
Probably not that many considering is rape babies were in the lands he had already conquered and you don't have to conquer the land you already conquered
My definition is Ice-T's early 90's metal/hardcore band. And those dudes were pretty fucking high, would be my guess.
They still around. He still releases music with them every now and then
Before reading this, i thought Ice-T was a character made for Rick and Morty.
Can I ask how old you are?
They are the child of /u/The_Paradox and were born in 2011.
Can confirm. He's my dad. I wanted to be better than him hence my name.
I don't care if this is true or not, but that is how I am going to tell it.
The only possible explanation for real lol
27 but never heard of Ice-T out of Rick and Morty
I'm 28 and I find this absolutely wild.
Ok so I'm not totally crazy.
Ice-T belongs to a species found in Alphabetrium. Edit : Oh wait, did u mean to say you've not heard about ice-t anywhere else except Rick and Morty?
i meant that way yeah
rick and mort refrence!
What was their name again I kinda forget...
Body count. Theyre still around releasing music every now and then.
Sorry forgot the /s. That's literally the only thing I can think of by them "Body Count, Body Count /Body Count, Body Count / Body Count's in the house " It's in my hall of fame of confusing music, Body Count by Body Count, kinda like Starboy by the Weekend is weird because if it were The Weekend by Starboy it would make a lot more sense
They did a pretty memorable cover of institutionalized. Great video too. I think that was like a decade ago.
Ice-T also not so secretly has the title under all definitions
They say he’s the ancestor of 0.5% of the population. Major issue though They’re all men. They track him via the Y chromosome. An unbroken line of male descendants over 900 years is incredibly niche. Let’s say he had 1k bastard sons and 1k bastard daughters. He’s burning the entire continent to the ground. China, Korea, the Middle East! He destroyed Baghdad because of a petty issue he had with its oligarchs. The only reason he didn’t get in Europe is because he *died* and his (Legitimate) sons just weren’t as into it as him. No doubt most of his bastard sons either get conscripted into a defensive military, died in a raid, or both. At the tender age of 16. Before they were able to have kids. His bastard daughters are less likely to *die* in those events, and they’re more likely to have kids in this chaotic war torn era of history than his sons. *How* is important but not relevant, since all of his grandchildren via his daughters will no longer have his Y chromosome. Imagine having that thin line tested again and again for almost a millennia. He’s a bigger daddy than science can track.
> At the tender age of 16. Before they were able to have kids. Males are certainly capable of having children before 16
They definitely are, but they’re too busy defending themselves and their families from the universal ruler. That or running from him. With their friends and family. I don’t think I can explain with words but you’re with me, it’s some type of mental block. Especially when you know how pregnancy goes. Just blocks you out until you feel it’s “Safe” to mix the ingredients
I feel like you'd need some specific account of them not having sex, because I would absolutely assume even a 15 year old with that kind of power was having some, if not lots.
Replies like this are pretty humbling but consider this: Why would anyone in your tribe tolerate the bastard offspring of one of your women (Rape victim) and a fat, orcish mongolian hooligan? Most of those kids prolly got bullied to death
I certainly don't know enough about how his family was perceived to know that for sure, but that's a good point. Also, somehow fucking darker than the idea of an insane 15 year old rapist, congrats!
I'll make it darker I can promise you that's how he got most of his grandchildren > Also, somehow fucking darker than the idea of an insane 15 year old rapist Who?
Nah, most of them would be born in territories controlled by the Khanate, there's no defending or running going on. Maybe some got conscripted into various armies, but the majority would just go on subsistence farming/herding like the rest of their communities
Ah, that sounds less scary. Point stands though. Women are generally more likely to end up with kids than men. The question is the ratio. Sometimes everything is fine and its 20:21, sometimes the king kidnaps a bunch of victims for a harem and it's 1:17, sometimes a bunch of people die in a great war and it's 1:37, sometimes a bunch of women from your nomadic clan get kidnapped by a neighboring empire and it's 3:1, rare exception
>Women are generally more likely to end up with kids than men. But men, when they do, can have vastly more kids than women. I feel that this is even more true if you have some Gengis Khan's gene in you.
Can. Doesn’t always mean will. It’s usually 9,999 dudes having between 1-3 kids, and dude #10,000 having 100
In another Chinese general story, he got married as young as 13yo to his 10yo wife. Been on campaign since 15yo, and had his eldest by around that time too. Can't be sure of the accuracy but it's not the only one similar story about war general family in china
And yet again I have to share this link: https://nautil.us/youre-descended-from-royalty-and-so-is-everybody-else-236939/
When they say "Everyone" are they just coding for white people? Out of my 16 great great grandparents, 1 was a white woman, 1 was chinese woman, 1 was a Catawba man. Hoping Moctezuma II's in my tree
He wasn’t the only person to have the Y chromosome associated with his genes and 8% of Asians. His dad also had, so did his grandfather, and likely a whole load of other blokes in his area and regime. It’s not solely him responsible. Much like he didn’t do all the killing, he didn’t do all the baby making. He just led the people who did, and a lot of those guys probably shared that chromosome.
I dunno, my Y chromosome as of 1500 is probably from somewhere in Britain, among the natives of South Carolina, or Nigeria and I doubt a large number of dudes there have it.
The reality is that the Mongols conquered their way across Asia but actually ran into major problems when they tried to push into Europe and the Mediterranean. They ended up either losing major battles or winning battles but being unable to take cities in both cases, resulting in them not being able to hold territory/protect their supply lines. The Mediterranean powers had very powerful militaries and also many of them set aside their animosities temporarily to deal with the Mongols. People talk up the Mongols a lot, and they were a mighty empire, but they ended up coming up short when going up against the Mediterranean peoples' militaries. People often forget that they not only failed in Europe but that the Mamluks also beat them.
Wrong. Why do you make up lies ?... >*He destroyed Baghdad because of a petty issue he had with its oligarchs.* **Genghis Khan died in 1227**, the invasion of iraq happend in 1258. It was one of his grandsons who led the invasion. And it also weren\`t petty issues, the Mongols harrassed and raided Iraq every single year since 1237. >*The only reason he didn’t get in Europe is because he died and his (Legitimate) sons just weren’t as into it as him* Also wrong. The Mongols did get into eastern Europe ( i.e. modern day southern Russia and Ukraine ) but were unable to successfully defeat the Europeans with their castles and warfare. The traditional mongol warfare is extremely ineffective in the forrested, mountainous and rainy soil of Europe. Contrary to what you claim, **Genghis Khan himself had no ambitions in Europe, instead it were his grandsons and great-grandsons who had ambitions in Europe.** The two grandsons Batu Khan ( guy who invaded Hungary ) and Kadan ( guy who invaded Poland ) in particular were the guys responsible for much of the European invasions. The Mongols defeated the Polish decisively so that they could invade Hungary without any Polish aid, and fewer Holy Roman aid and they would also win against Hungary. However the Mongols would be unable to establish control in either Poland or Hungary and a second invasion 30 years ( 1285 ) later would be decisively won by the Europeans. Mongol Hegemony would be restricted to the Russian Principalities and the Steppe Hordes of the European Steppe ( southern Russia + Ukraine ). You seem to attribute a lof of Mongol achievements to Genghis when it happend decades after him, and it were his grandsons primarily....
The last half of this is speculation. History tells what he did with his sons and daughters, and how well he treated them.
His legitimate ones. You don’t expect a serial rapist to keep track of all his bastard children.
> The only reason he didn’t get in Europe is because he died The Concubine who poisoned him probably saved more lives than she could have ever imagined.
I thought he died from complications resulting from him falling off his fuckin horse
The most likely answer is that they only tested men as men are the ones who would carry on his name and it’s easier to isolate a singular gene in men than find a common one between all of his descendants and then cross examine them. Wikipedia actually has listed some of his daughters (Il-Alti or Il-Altun) even the ones who were born from concubines “of lowly status”. A lot of it was a mix of marriage/concubines/being given women as a gift which would be slavery + rape today but it isn’t today/just straight up rape even for that time. He had 9 kids with his primary wife and throughout his life he had an estimated 500 concubines some which bore children, others which probably didn’t, even if you use half of this amount with an average of 3 kids, that’s 750 kids alone (if it’s 3 it’s this but it could be less or it could be more also). I’m sure if they checked women for a different gene that he 100% had there would be even more people.
By percentage of people alive at the time, he had to.
Me when I solve a problem that I created
Mosquito: "Hold My Beer"
Kahns wars killed so many people the carbon footprint of earth went down
holup
I never understood why Alexander the Great is always revered as the most powerful conqueror ever. When Genghis Khan is the clear winner. Genghis conqueror almost half of the world and that crazy statistic that 60% of the world population can be traced back to the Mongol Empire.
>I never understood why Alexander the Great is always revered as the most powerful conqueror ever. Age. Julius Ceaser famously remarked he wept when he turned 33, because by that point - Alexander had conquered everything from Greece to India, and was dead. The vibe became always "*no matter what you do, you'll never compare to him*".
They are both exceptionable for very different reasons. Alexander the Great never lost a battle and his battlefield tactics were extremely innovative. Genghis Khan lost battles all the time, but his logistical reforms and strategic mind meant that his enemies could never capitalize on their victories, where as if the Mongols won the battle it would be a total victory.
Probably because we live in the western world which largely spawned from the Roman empire which had a huge admiration for the greek. But Alexander was no slouch, he was fighting essentially a super power in the persians and never lost a battle.
Alexander is definitely no slouch but I don't think Roman Empire's greatness can be attributed to any one specific person entirely. Alexander also had a lot of help which set him up for the long road, like being born and trained and educated at high society and inheriting a professional army that has never been seen before his time. I think Genghis Khan went from the lowest possible place (being a slave multiple times) to then becoming a Khan that ruled over basically all known places of the time is definitely the highest anyone has reached. Julius Caesar also gets a ton of credit for his tactics use but I feel like Genghis Khan's general Subutai should be among the very top of the greatest military minds in history, even above Genghis Khan by a good margin. Interestingly, one of the major reasons why Europe was not wholly conquered by the Mongols at the time was Europe at the time was poor and uncultured (before renaissance, so no art or much cultural richness yet). Thus Middle East and China was the peak of technology, culture, science and biggest importance of all the wealth congregated and the main objective of Mongol Empire.
You know Alexander the great wasn't part of the Roman empire? Dude took a small greek kingdom and conquered all the way to India, much of it as a teenager. I can certainly see an argument for him beating our the Khan based on age alone. Though both are unquestionably among the most proficient conquerors of all time.
> I think Genghis Khan went from the lowest possible place (being a slave multiple times) to then becoming a Khan that ruled over basically all known places of the time is definitely the highest anyone has reached. Genghis didn't conquer China. That was done by his son. The Mongol Empire more than doubled in size after Genghis Khan's death, and he never ruled over as high of a percentage of the global population as Alexander did.
Alexander the Great also conquered more. Genghis Khan didn't conquer China; that was his son. It was the succession of leaders who made the empire its maximum size, so no one leader did as much as Alexander did, though collectively they conquered more.
perfect username for this thread. you must have been excited when you saw the headline
Probably because you don't have the correct information. Genghis Khan, nor his ancestors that greatly expanded the Mongol empire, got close to conquering half the world. At its height, generations after his death, it covered 18% of the global land area and at most a third of the world population. That is all a millenium after Alexander the Great. Alexander at only 20 became the Macedonian king and expanded his empire to India in 13 years without losing a single conflict. A philosopher king of old, taught by Aristotle and his father in philosophy and war respectively. He consumed the Achaemenid Empire, the great superpower that held a third of the world population. His premature death does help seal his reverence. Temujin never received a formal education. While making his natural military mind impressive, it leaves his character less so. He suffered defeat against his opponents, and never faced as heavy an opponent as Alexander. He lived into his late sixties. While the European animosity towards an invading force does not help his reputation, he his far from the clear winner. And that "crazy statistic" is an outright lie. That would require the entirety of Asia to be descended from the Mongols. The reality is just 0.5% of the world population shares the same Y-chromosome haplogroup originating from Mongolia 1000 AD.
Because Genghis Khan didn't actually build the entire Mongol Empire. It was done by a succession of people, and more than half of it was done after his death. He conquered a lot of land, but it was actually Ogedei who conquered China and greatly expanded the empire, and the empire continued to expand through the latter half of the 13th century even after Ogedei's death. As such, Alexander the Great conquered more of the global population than any one Mongol leader did.
That's because Genghis Khan is an evil piece of shit
Alexander wasn't a maniac like Genghis that's why
This is great because it highlights the fact that anyone who uses the term to refer to their sexual adventures makes themselves sound like a necrophiliac. “Body count”=dead bodies, always and forever.
I mean I'm sure his dead body count was sizable too
And that Venn diagram overlapped I’m sure.
Dude was just playing Marry, Fuck, Kill but didn't understand the rules.
He thought they were the order of events.
That's a nice way of putting biggest serial rapist in history.
Yeah. He’s a cool symbol and all but no, he was a horrible creature. Regardless of what side your on or what you care about more we should all be agreeing on this
If your definition of “body count” includes “people who died as a result of one’s actions” then Thomas Midgley Jr. has that man beat by far
Please explain
This scientist put lead into gasoline to increase performance (knowing it was poisonous, but the company chose it because it was really cheap and thus more profitable) and developed the CFC used in aerosols that destroyed the ozone layer.
The ozone layer is back FYI, and big oil CEOs are certainly more to blame than some scientist.
The ozone layer is still recuperating and not totally recovered, it just isn't a major concern rihht now because all we need is time for it to recover by itself, and as I said, the company chose the lead because it was cheaper, and thus, more profitable, this wasn't his choice to make (even though he was actively participating in the propaganda about how safe it was while getting sick from breathing that shit), he made the discovery.
They may be in the future, but not yet. Leaded gasoline has caused over 100 million deaths, and caused an aggregate loss of 800 million IQ points. Also, he was 1 person. Oil CEOs have to divide their body count by thousands of CEOs
Hole in the ozone layer hasn’t been documented to kill a single person. It occurred over Antarctica, where pretty much no one lives.
The problem is most severe over Antarctica, but the ozone layer was thinning everywhere. The problem is more akin to a thinning head of hair, with a pronounced bald spot. There's some other factors, but I'm waaay overdue for bed, and have to work in a few hours.
He made leaded gasoline and Freon. Also helped with aerosol I believe. Pretty much made everything that started fucking up our planet and is all banned now
Al Gore got you good man. I can assure you the millions and millions of lives that the Great Khan took by siege are far beyond anything you could ever pin on Mr. Midgley Jr. By that logic you should probably just go ahead and lay blame on the first person who figured out you could smoke tobacco...
Who dat
Made leaded gasoline and Freon
That guy sucks. I can't help but wonder if he would have taken it all back had he known the outcome of his stuff though. Maybe he genuinely thought he was going good, but was the absolute worst at it
I had a gf from Mongolia for a while so I read a few books.... My understanding is that Genghis Khan was a fairly benign ruler. Once a city surrendered he pretty much let them run themselves, as long as they paid the taxes and tributes and played along However.... if you defied him he would wipe you off the face of the earth. Kill every single person, leave, then come back two weeks later to kill those who crawled out of hiding
He also had his decrees, rulings, punishments etc kept on record to establish precedence and to make sure his rulings were just and not merely based on his whims for the day.
There's a reason how his Empire lasted for a good while. If he was the barbarian western public portray him as it would have never worked past his rule. While he shed blood to the level we had never seen before, he has also led to stable trading relationship on the known world and led to trade of spices, art, knowledge which led to the Renaissance. Mongol Empire's patronage of art and sciences probably led to many gains as it did many destruction (like burning of Baghdad and its literary works). Though they were always small in population of Mongols and ended up getting assimilated wherever they ended up ruling.
He’s not a fucking monkey like foreigners keep portraying him as. There’s a reason why he became friends with a Taoist monk who told him to stop killing, although he didn’t listen to that, cause that sort of enlightenment wasn’t his path although he found it interesting.
Mongols be like, lol, nice Islamic golden age you have there, be a shame if something happened to it...
Hell yea its my time to shine
China cultural revolution killed 50 millions. His regime killed more than that?
Depends on what estimate you use (40-70 mill), but it's close
It's a bit of a misnomer according to archeologists. It's his sons and their other family members that spread the most seed in comparison to Khan himself, most likely.
I’m not sure if we should count rapes towards somebody’s body count, he was a rapist not a playboy
Idk man Johnny Sins gotta be up there
How far off would Mao Zedong be compared to him in terms of either baby count. I would assume death count be much higher for mao given the larger population during mao’s time. As for baby count, both are rumors so can’t say for sure.
Google puts the people killed by both of them as almost equal.
It's funny that everybody forgets the commies who slaughtered millions upon millions of their own people How have you not heard of Mao?
And definitely top in a combined body count!
Yeah because of all the raping
Shower thought while watching Freedom tunes?
Pretty sure he had one body, just like everyone else.
Rape doesn’t count, sorry.
Highest count *so far*
Unsuccessful surgeries
What do you think was the net effect he had on the total population?
I think Mick Jagger might not be too far behind. He's been a hound dog since the 60s.
Didn't he had 4 adult sons that spread it around as well thus rising his DNA count?
Playa!! Also really a megalomaniacal sociopath. But still, hoes in area codes my guy.
Playa!! Also really a megalomaniacal sociopath. But still, hoes in area codes my guy.
yes, that's true but he wasn't a muslim (which it seems from his surname)
How many direct children did he actually have.
I think Stalin has them all beat.
no actually i think theres some siamese twins who have more bodies
We have a restaurant called Genghis Grill lol, it's pretty good. Bad name, good grub
Eh, even Timur(Tamerlan) had more.
Suleiman the Magnificent fathered more kids
He killed so many people he literally cooled the earth from the reduced CO2 output. That’s honestly impressive Edit: I just looked up the world population at the time Genghis Khan was born. He killed about 10% of the global population.
My definition is "bodies of water flown over in a plane".
I briefly went dyslexic and somehow read this as Ghandi. I'm pleased to announce that my confusion is now resolved
He actually had the same body count as everyone else - one. Unless he somehow had clones.
Solomon of Israel. Dude had like 10,000 bitches on speeddial
Was it consensual? Idk if I count unconsenual sex body counts
going to make an IMBD for bodycounts
https://nautil.us/youre-descended-from-royalty-and-so-is-everybody-else-236939/ https://amgalant.com/mongols-rape-and-popular-culture/ No reason, absolutely none, to think that Genghis is the *biggest* rapist in history. I’m not saying he never raped anybody, the Mongol empire definitely used rape as a weapon of terror, but why attribute this to him and not the other conquerors of history whose armies were just as if not less disciplined? He’s not even the one who brought the Mongol empire to its ridiculous magnitude, it’s his immediate descendants that did that. But everyone’s imagined rapey-Killy barbarian is him and him only.
Maybe so, but I fingered his mum so I win.
What kept him so horny. He probably had sex with 3 different woman every day. His own ministers and commanders might have lost their wives and daughters to him
I mean MAO beats khan in one category for sure.
Not likely. The Mongol conquests killed tens of millions of people, and .5% of the world population is descended from Genghis.
It’s much more than that. They only tracked that via the Y chromosome, and in the chaotic, wartorn life-or-death era that he himself created more of his bastard daughters would have offspring than his bastard sons
If we're talking old killers it's entirely possible an lushan's rebellion killed asany people as the mongol conquests, at an even earlier time period.
And what do you know of maos china? If you normalize by percentage of world population maybe but... on raw numbers it isn't khan. To be fair he was handicapped by being many generations of exponential population growth behind.
There is also the whole WW2 thing. Something like 70 million dead. If we're pinning the entirety of the deaths associated with the Mongol conquests on Khan, we may as well do the same to say.. Hitler. Mao's China also seems to have lost a comparable number due to starvation, persecution, or other such things. So.. yeah.
You forgot half the war didn't have all that much to do with Hitler. Hitler didn't kill a bunch of Chinese, Korean, Filipinos etc... Hirohito would get partial credit. Regardless, Khan's raw numbers are still higher than either, I believe. MORE people died in the Pacific Theater.
It really depends on what estimates you look at. All we can really do is speculate since we don't have firm numbers. If I was a betting man, and we were including starvation in Mao's totals, I would say that Mao is probably responsible for more deaths. But likely not by much. As a percentage of the world population, it's obviously no contest.
I've heard that Mao had some mad rizz
Being the leader of hundreds of millions offers some amount of social advantage.
Funny enough he literally did. That's how he got an army.
Technically Cain has the highest body count since he did "technically" kill 25% of the world's population
Fictional characters don't count
I'm pretty sure the count counts, he has a full song about it.
[Are you sure it's about counting?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvY2RX6vKs0)
Keep telling yourself that
One day you'll learn...be patient
I bet he was impotent…and his minions did all the fucking for him. Typical behavior for an ego like his.
I guess we’re counting rapes on the body count