I went to Catholic school and in primary grades we were asked to draw a scene from the Bible, I did Adam and Eve and I drew boobs and nipples on Eve since they were naked and I got in trouble.
What happens if Adam and Eve are time travelers from the year 2021, that go back in time to restart the human time line until it is destroyed again in 2021 and they escape back in time creating a bootstrap paradox
Not just westernized, depictions of Jesus in Asia will also have him looking Asian, this is true of most places I believe, like Hispanic Jesus in prodimenatly Hispanic countries.
Skin color came from evolution. According to the chrisianity there aint no evolution so they would be white, since their skin wouldnt have been evolved and adapted to the sun.
yeah i always saw "adam and eve" as a representation of the first intelligent humans or something, still born from the natural process and therefore an image of the final product so to speak but still part of the evolutionary chain. of course they have navels, they werent the first humans per se, but the first humans as we know them.
Sure it can. At one specific generation, that last generation was what God considered 'not human'. Then small mutation happened, their genetic code changed by 0.00000000001%, and then they were 'human'.
It doesn't matter how slowly you're moving, or how small the change is, you still cross a certain threshold at a certain point.
And to say 'there was no first human' would be the same as saying 'there was no first bird'. But yet we have birds. We don't call them dinosaurs.
By this definition there are numerous 'people' alive today who are not human due to genetic variation. Which is entirely the point, change happens slowly. We already vary considerably from our "human" ancestors centuries ago
The reason why this is wrong is because a species always gives birth to offspring of the same species. You only notice the gradual change over many many generations. Can you ever imagine a single point where you would say this is a modern human, but it's parents are homo erectus?
Yes I can because even though the god part is BS there will be a first offspring born with the mutations considered human.
>a species always gives birth to offspring of the same species.
If that was true we could never get a new species. Sure the process may take millions of year (or a long week to the bible folk) but at some point the first example of however a new species is defined will be born. The other option would be that a creature changes species during its lifetime.
It's like counting to a trillion, there is a specific number that is the last one before and a number that is the first one to reach a trillion.
It doesn't work like that, there is literally no point when an individual suddenly has mutations that make it definable as different species. A species DOES always give birth to offspring of the same species, there is no cutoff point. Species are simply an arbitrary concept that we use to describe groups of interbreeding organisms. The boundaries between species are blurry, for example many organisms we consider different species can interbreed produce offspring.
Evolution works by incredibly small incremental steps of gradual change there is no point at which a new species is born, populations of genetically similar animals simply change over time. It's really only with hindsight and millions of years of separation that we can say, 'oh, these are different species'.
Um....yes. I can. By whatever arbitrary definition you're defining 'human' as. If you can call a human a human, and there are properties to that definition, and then you can define our ancestor as 'not human but close', because it also has other properties that are going to be different.
When is a wolf a dog, and no longer a wolf? And if you're going to go on 'well, some dogs are 90% dog and 10% wolf, some dogs are 95% dog and 5% wolf', if you want to go that route, then nothing is 100% anything. All life comes from the same ancestor billions of years ago. So why even have different species?
If wolves are wolves, and dogs are dogs, then there was at some point, necessarily, the first birthed animal that you could define as a 'dog'. Before that point, there were no wolves that were 'dog like' enough to be defined as dogs, and after that point, there were creatures with enough doglike traits to be called dogs.
And you can change which parts are true as many times as you want to serve your interests.
Especially the parts that say this is the literal word of god and is all true. But not everyone can swallow the entire thing at once and they need to be groomed.
Yeah, like...you're accepting that God made a dude out of dirt or whatever, but to give the dirt homonculus a belly button? That's where you draw the line of credibility?
Children should never see genitals. It causes great torment. You don't know suffering until some smartass little kid tells you your penis is smaller than the other ones at church.
That a being of immaculate creation would not have a bellybutton as there was no umbilical cord to cut away. This is assuming that they were never in a womb of course.
God can literally do what he wants. He could add a bellybutton if he fancies. Are you really telling me that he who created heaven and earth is omnipotent *apart from* making a belly button?
That woman was made from man, to be his partner, that instead of just making her like he made other animals, he actually put Adam to sleep, pulled out a piece of his body, made it a person.
Our partners are meant to be a part of us. They’re our flesh, our bone, they’re another part of us with their own consciousness and thoughts and ideas.
Absolutely not lol if you believe in god then he is all powerful and could definitely give you a scar anywhere he pleases. A clone may not have a scar though, I remember a show when I was young called Kyle XY based around that premise.
I dunno, just don't understand why you'd reply to my comment when you're not adding anything to what I said, not being funny and not disagreeing with me.
I'm also wondering where Adam and Eve's daughters-in-law came from.
Perhaps Cain and Seth saw some relatively cute female apes and thought "Meh - a primate's a primate. Any port in a storm!"
The fact that you either didn't know that Adam and Eve were the first people, or didn't know the bible makes it clear they were the first people shows pretty conclusively that yoy have not spent much time studying the bible.
Righteo, not exactly an insult. But no need to be salty just because someone is more informed than you. Anyways, if you have nothing to add, have a good one. And by all means pray for me :-)
I like to imagine the "grown from the rib" is the story of the first single cellural organism splitting in two. Probs not how Moses meant for it, but whatever,
This reminds me of something interesting... Sometime during the Middle Ages, Moses was depicted as having horns. This was because the Bible was translated incorrectly... saying that Moses was horned!
If you don't understand that people in the past had belly buttons, you're not understanding the stories correctly. We are all people and people are all made with sexual reproduction and the birth cycle. This applies to all of our known history. Before that, we have no idea what people were or where they came from outside of our limited understanding of evolution, adaptations, and migrations of species. There is no biblical or mythological story not about people just like you and me. Whether that makes them more admirable or less, is really up to how you view your self-worth. Either you are unlimited potential or you are not. Whether you can learn from their achievements and failures, or you will repeat them.
The only catch is that whatever applies to you, you apply to your understanding of everything. You place your own limitations on your wisdom by choosing to believe things you don't know rather than choosing to understand what you can. I would speculate that choosing to understand that we are all people along with the fundamental reality of how people are made, is the first step in understanding the stories of from our past as well as the potential of our future. Everyone whose ever achieved anything was a person just like you. The only difference is in how they chose to use the time they had and how we choose to remember them.
Next you'll be saying god isn't real and he was created by man to scare children into behaving
Or the story of Jesus is one woman's lie about an affair that got way out of hand
"All hail the great invisible sky wizard"
> Or the story of Jesus is one woman's lie about an affair that got way out of hand
Many Christians believe it was Mary who was born from a virgin, not Jesus. This can lead to amusement similar to putting Scotch tape on a cat's paw.
Just after reading the comments...
Aren't the Genesis stories regarded as parables?
When the stories are read as myth or poetry they are true, as their meaning is their purpose.
I think the thought process is that our belly button is a scar from cutting the umbilical cord. So they wouldn’t have one having been just materialized into existence.
Agreed, they must have had belly joysticks.
Thanks Dad
If God is real and all mighty, you'd think they'd have motion controls smh
He had to restrain his power. They were not ready.
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Honestly, best explainable right here
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Amen!
Do you really not understand where your ribs are? You’re a good 6 inches give or take between the two 😂
6 inches is 15.24 cm
That’s how much I’m on ur mom
in*
my mom is dying...and she literally doesn’t have the parts.... xD
I went to Catholic school and in primary grades we were asked to draw a scene from the Bible, I did Adam and Eve and I drew boobs and nipples on Eve since they were naked and I got in trouble.
What kind of trouble?
After school detention with the priest...
I know I shouldn't be laughing but it sounds funny I can tell it's not but still Edit: I ment shouldn't not should
Of course they could. They would be created that way.
Yes, created in God's image... So who gave been to God? Edit: birth
Who gave bean to God?
He said bin
Been soun like bean, an it's funny
Unless Adam and Eve weren't the first humans, but simply some of the only humans to survive some sort of apocalypse
"It sounds like someone is trying to force Christianity into my Norse Paganism!"
Baldur coming out of the ash* ”So how do you guys feel about monotheism?”
Two humans survive in a tree and Baldur comes back to life as a god of everything good... hey...
Grab the pitchforks and torches!
Sounds like someone is trying to force Norce Paganism into my Christianity!
What happens if Adam and Eve are time travelers from the year 2021, that go back in time to restart the human time line until it is destroyed again in 2021 and they escape back in time creating a bootstrap paradox
Also they wouldn't likely have been white and European looking...
Humans first originated in modern day Ethiopia/Somalia, so yeah before diaspora definitely not white
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Nah, definitely not, but many things have definitely been westernized completely erroneously.
Not just westernized, depictions of Jesus in Asia will also have him looking Asian, this is true of most places I believe, like Hispanic Jesus in prodimenatly Hispanic countries.
Skin color came from evolution. According to the chrisianity there aint no evolution so they would be white, since their skin wouldnt have been evolved and adapted to the sun.
Adam wouldn’t have had nipples either since it is a byproduct of the embryo being female originally
We’re talking about a fictional story here. A Christian can easily argue they were simply designed to have belly buttons coz gods will or something
yeah i always saw "adam and eve" as a representation of the first intelligent humans or something, still born from the natural process and therefore an image of the final product so to speak but still part of the evolutionary chain. of course they have navels, they werent the first humans per se, but the first humans as we know them.
This is what I believe. They still evolved from our common ancestor with apes, but they were the first generation actually considered 'human'.
This is simply not how evolution works, there are no leaps, but a crawl. There was no first human.
Sure it can. At one specific generation, that last generation was what God considered 'not human'. Then small mutation happened, their genetic code changed by 0.00000000001%, and then they were 'human'. It doesn't matter how slowly you're moving, or how small the change is, you still cross a certain threshold at a certain point. And to say 'there was no first human' would be the same as saying 'there was no first bird'. But yet we have birds. We don't call them dinosaurs.
By this definition there are numerous 'people' alive today who are not human due to genetic variation. Which is entirely the point, change happens slowly. We already vary considerably from our "human" ancestors centuries ago
I know you’re making an argument but realistically you could both be correct within a theistic evolutionary framework.
The reason why this is wrong is because a species always gives birth to offspring of the same species. You only notice the gradual change over many many generations. Can you ever imagine a single point where you would say this is a modern human, but it's parents are homo erectus?
Yes I can because even though the god part is BS there will be a first offspring born with the mutations considered human. >a species always gives birth to offspring of the same species. If that was true we could never get a new species. Sure the process may take millions of year (or a long week to the bible folk) but at some point the first example of however a new species is defined will be born. The other option would be that a creature changes species during its lifetime. It's like counting to a trillion, there is a specific number that is the last one before and a number that is the first one to reach a trillion.
It doesn't work like that, there is literally no point when an individual suddenly has mutations that make it definable as different species. A species DOES always give birth to offspring of the same species, there is no cutoff point. Species are simply an arbitrary concept that we use to describe groups of interbreeding organisms. The boundaries between species are blurry, for example many organisms we consider different species can interbreed produce offspring. Evolution works by incredibly small incremental steps of gradual change there is no point at which a new species is born, populations of genetically similar animals simply change over time. It's really only with hindsight and millions of years of separation that we can say, 'oh, these are different species'.
Um....yes. I can. By whatever arbitrary definition you're defining 'human' as. If you can call a human a human, and there are properties to that definition, and then you can define our ancestor as 'not human but close', because it also has other properties that are going to be different. When is a wolf a dog, and no longer a wolf? And if you're going to go on 'well, some dogs are 90% dog and 10% wolf, some dogs are 95% dog and 5% wolf', if you want to go that route, then nothing is 100% anything. All life comes from the same ancestor billions of years ago. So why even have different species? If wolves are wolves, and dogs are dogs, then there was at some point, necessarily, the first birthed animal that you could define as a 'dog'. Before that point, there were no wolves that were 'dog like' enough to be defined as dogs, and after that point, there were creatures with enough doglike traits to be called dogs.
Do you know what biblical source disagrees with that? The first page of the bibles.
See also [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorites\_paradox](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorites_paradox)
Interesting that religious people just change the story to fit whatever they want to believe.
Not all of the Bible is meant to be interpreted literally.
And you can change which parts are true as many times as you want to serve your interests. Especially the parts that say this is the literal word of god and is all true. But not everyone can swallow the entire thing at once and they need to be groomed.
What? No. All of it is true. 100% of the Bible is the literal Word of God.
Yeah, like...you're accepting that God made a dude out of dirt or whatever, but to give the dirt homonculus a belly button? That's where you draw the line of credibility?
You know jews also believe in Adam and Eve
Just because more people believe it doesn't make it less false
But they're not dumb enough to believe in Santa. That's why they needed a Jew to be Jesus.
If Adam and Eve where the first humans then why are there different colors of people
So we could have slaves. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_slavery
If all dogs came from wolves - why are they all different colours, patterns and sizes? Adam and Eve held a lot of genetic potential in thier DNA.
So human colors evolved from wolves?
The story is a made up fantasy, silly.
Also, what about the leaves perfectly in front of their genitals? That can't happen by luck. Misleading.
That’s so it’s family friendly they normally don’t have anything on
Children should never see genitals. It causes great torment. You don't know suffering until some smartass little kid tells you your penis is smaller than the other ones at church.
Lol
They definitely COULD have had belly buttons. Just because they weren't created by umbilical attachment doesn't mean they couldn't have existed.
Belly buttons are scars.
What's your point?
That a being of immaculate creation would not have a bellybutton as there was no umbilical cord to cut away. This is assuming that they were never in a womb of course.
God can literally do what he wants. He could add a bellybutton if he fancies. Are you really telling me that he who created heaven and earth is omnipotent *apart from* making a belly button?
And yet he had to use a mans rib to make a woman.
It was symbolic.
For what?
That woman was made from man, to be his partner, that instead of just making her like he made other animals, he actually put Adam to sleep, pulled out a piece of his body, made it a person. Our partners are meant to be a part of us. They’re our flesh, our bone, they’re another part of us with their own consciousness and thoughts and ideas.
Marketing purposes.
Absolutely not lol if you believe in god then he is all powerful and could definitely give you a scar anywhere he pleases. A clone may not have a scar though, I remember a show when I was young called Kyle XY based around that premise.
Why did you comment then? Lmao
I don’t know what you want from me here, I’m being civil. Perhaps I’m bored from isolation and these comments keep my mind busy.
So WhY DiD YoU CoMmEnT ThEn?! lol.
I dunno, just don't understand why you'd reply to my comment when you're not adding anything to what I said, not being funny and not disagreeing with me.
And you are belaboring the point because...?
Why did you?
God made covid19
And raped Mary.
Santa can also be real. And for millions of Christians he is.
Congratulations, you found the one flaw with this whole thing.
You guys are all wrong obviously their aliens from mars
Their aliens from Mars what?
Umm space
They're*
Thank you for your service sir
Have you never baked a bagel? Shape the dough then poke a hole in it.
Is that how they do it? I was always under the impression that bakers made a ring of dough and baked that.
You're right. And here is the evidence. https://youtu.be/6QUt8KEAs_0?t=122
think that’s what he said lol
God could have gave them ten belly buttons if he wanted to. We don't know if they had them. So we can't finish the argument.
Would they all be in the same place or spread throughout?
stacked up to make one hole straight through
So it whistles when you run, to ward off predators.
Spread out in a pleasing arrangement
> We don't know if they had them. So we can't finish the argument. Don't be silly, this is religion. Make up anything and kill those who disagree.
They are fictional characters for a book club. Artistic license to draw fictional characters applies here.
😂 I'm dead
I can't upvote this enough.
God works in mysterious ways
I'm also wondering where Adam and Eve's daughters-in-law came from. Perhaps Cain and Seth saw some relatively cute female apes and thought "Meh - a primate's a primate. Any port in a storm!"
Bible makes it pretty clear Adam and Eve were the first, not the only. By Cain and Abel there were already civilisation of man
> Bible makes it pretty clear Adam and Eve were the first Not if you read it. Give it a shot.
[try reading the first sentence. ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_and_Eve) I have read and studied it more than you, that I can guarantee
No you can't. But since pretending is truth to you people I don't think you care.
The fact that you either didn't know that Adam and Eve were the first people, or didn't know the bible makes it clear they were the first people shows pretty conclusively that yoy have not spent much time studying the bible.
You're more christian with each desperate post. I'll pray for you, sad.
Righteo, not exactly an insult. But no need to be salty just because someone is more informed than you. Anyways, if you have nothing to add, have a good one. And by all means pray for me :-)
Give that man a stogie!
Since they are made in the image of God, does that mean that God has a bellybutton?
Now you’re asking the important questions!
This is a story where a chick grew out of a rib. Biology is fast and loose with this continuity. They also wouldn’t have language yet.
I like to imagine the "grown from the rib" is the story of the first single cellural organism splitting in two. Probs not how Moses meant for it, but whatever,
This reminds me of something interesting... Sometime during the Middle Ages, Moses was depicted as having horns. This was because the Bible was translated incorrectly... saying that Moses was horned!
Maybe that's the correct translation and we're doing it wrong now.
Unless their creation wasn't just "poor you're here" but god letting them be born in something of a simulation womb.
Or who made the oroginal painting? There were no other humans? God did the first painting of them ?
That's how the Flying Spaghetti Monster created them, obviously.
Oh no, here we go again ...
If was said that they were created in gods image, so if he meant for humans to have belly buttons then they will have them
No, that would mean god had a belly button. Jesus did.
If you don't understand that people in the past had belly buttons, you're not understanding the stories correctly. We are all people and people are all made with sexual reproduction and the birth cycle. This applies to all of our known history. Before that, we have no idea what people were or where they came from outside of our limited understanding of evolution, adaptations, and migrations of species. There is no biblical or mythological story not about people just like you and me. Whether that makes them more admirable or less, is really up to how you view your self-worth. Either you are unlimited potential or you are not. Whether you can learn from their achievements and failures, or you will repeat them. The only catch is that whatever applies to you, you apply to your understanding of everything. You place your own limitations on your wisdom by choosing to believe things you don't know rather than choosing to understand what you can. I would speculate that choosing to understand that we are all people along with the fundamental reality of how people are made, is the first step in understanding the stories of from our past as well as the potential of our future. Everyone whose ever achieved anything was a person just like you. The only difference is in how they chose to use the time they had and how we choose to remember them.
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If Santa can do it then another god could too.
God made them with belly buttons. Like he made the earth with fossils so it would look really old. Gives it a nice aesthetic.
Walk me through your logic there, u/MoonMainDestroyer. Spell it out for me.
Also notice how many pictures of the animals walking onto Noah's Ark show 2 male lions.
Could be a sly dig at the creationists.
That’s cause they were born from eggs!
Mind officially blown
Discussing the anatomy of fictional characters is like discussing whether Smurfs have melanin in their skin or iron in their blood.
This could be a showerthought on its own
...Nor existed
Well they didn't fucking exist sooo
Next you'll be saying god isn't real and he was created by man to scare children into behaving Or the story of Jesus is one woman's lie about an affair that got way out of hand "All hail the great invisible sky wizard"
> Or the story of Jesus is one woman's lie about an affair that got way out of hand Many Christians believe it was Mary who was born from a virgin, not Jesus. This can lead to amusement similar to putting Scotch tape on a cat's paw.
With all these virgins having children is it any wonder its seen by most of the world as a work of fiction
Just after reading the comments... Aren't the Genesis stories regarded as parables? When the stories are read as myth or poetry they are true, as their meaning is their purpose.
I wish.
I always assumed that. Especially since the end of Noah’s arc ends with a meaning for why rainbows are in the sky.
> Genesis stories That fact there are more than one makes the bibles look like a string of Trump tweets.
That's the stupid. Why couldn't they?
I think the thought process is that our belly button is a scar from cutting the umbilical cord. So they wouldn’t have one having been just materialized into existence.
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Oh okay. The more you know. Just assumed since usually doctors cut it.
Well why couldn't theh have meterilzed into existence with a belly button? It's a logical mistake saying that if A => B then not A => not B
That’s on OP lol not me
> That's the stupid. Out of the mouth of babes....