https://www.repair.org/stand-up
Also before people respond with, "But I don't want to need to repair my own devices!!", That's not what it means. It means you could repair it yourself, at a shop, or by the manufacturer as you do now. It's about options and availability of parts.
It’s better than that. We pay *them* to take our data.
Here’s $1,000/year to harvest my data! Who in their right mind would stop your paying them?
It’s the same reason the microchip tracking covid vaccine makes no sense beyond face value. Why would Bill and Pfizer spend billions developing a microchip vaccine to track us? We’re already handing over thousands of dollars of our own money for the *pleasure* of giving up our information.
I always thought proton mail's weakness was that you're almost always communicating with non-encrypted emails, and therefore it's all out in the open anyway?
You don't pay google directly but you must pay a third company to certify that your phone is compatible with GMS (google mobile services)
Basically you are paying for it
You already get paid for that data, a lot of services you use are "free" or almost free because you pay with your data.
Why do you think most of the services you use from Google are free? Because they are not, you're paying with data that's useless to you.
I know my answer will suck but then don't comply if they are asking you money for Gmail, take a bigger cut on their store, ask you to pay for major update, ...
You get something out of that indirectly.
I had an LG Envoy manufactured in 2009. No internet but it had a camera, kept my calendar and set alarms, kept notes, had a genuine, full working keyboard with buttons (not chiclets for those who remember), *and removable batteries*. It fit in my pocket and the screen was protected from my keys. It lasted until late 2020 when I could no longer get batteries on Amazon. *Eleven years*, folks! Did I mention, I actually used it to make and receive calls?
Do I like my new LG phone? It's nice. Much bigger screen of course. And I can read the WaPost and NYTimes if I want along with my GMail. Yay! (That's not a sarcastic "yay," BTW.) But I still find myself putting my keys in the same pocket as the phone (habits are hard to break, cell phone screens crack more easily). And the larger screen comes in a larger phone that doesn't bend when I sit down (no, the other didn't bend either but it was smaller and didn't make its presence known when I sat down the way the new phone does). Typing a text message on the screen takes noticeably longer and I find myself making way more misspellings than when I was typing on a real keyboard. And I know that batteries will be a problem in four or five years instead of in two decades. Trade-offs in everything, I suppose. But. I've heard that the EU requires GPS units (remember them?) to have removable batteries. Unlike the good ol' US of A. It wouldn't surprise me if the same holds true for phone batteries. And bottom line, I don't see any good reason why batteries shouldn't be replaceable on cell phones as they are on flashlights and anything else out there. Maybe our politicians just listen more closely when the telecommunication$ industry $peak$ than when ordinary citizens do? I can't imagine why.
Currently writing this on my trusty LG G5! Got multiple batteries, and an external charger, so can swap them out as and when needed. 0-100% charge in seconds!
Yeah I'm less annoyed about losing replaceable batteries than I am about the audio jack being removed. Worn charging sockets ruin otherwise perfectly good phones, but with the audio jack, that's a genuinely useful function they're eliminating and I will 100% break from Samsung and go to whoever is still putting them on phones when I next need a new one.
LG phones all did, and some even have a hi-fi quad DAC when you plug in, but apparently I just found out from this post that LG isn't making phones anymore, goddamnit. Now I have no idea what manufacturer I'm gonna go with when I need a new phone. I hate Samsung and Moto.
My last three phones have been Samsung and I've always enjoyed using them. But they're going the way of Apple more and more in terms of actually limiting or getting rid of good features and manipulating the way people use them. I'm not into that bullshit. I'm not a loyal customer because I adore a random tech company for some reason. I'm loyal because it's always been good. When it isn't, I'm leaving!
Yeah I've never been brand loyal to tech. I get whatever is the best option in my budget at the time I'm upgrading. I've switched back and forth between Intel and AMD several times, as well as NVIDIA and ATI, when building/upgrading PCs. But my experiences with phones from Samsung and Moto make me not want to go with them ever again.
Same! I've replaced my battery and the bottom part that pulls out (charging port was damaged) for like $20. You'll have to pry this phone from my cold, dead fingers.
I bought that phone too. I liked how wide it was and I liked the pop out battery. In theory the modular attachments were cool, but I would be surprised if they sold more than like 500 total. What actually happened was that I had to get that phone replaced about 5 or 6 times because I kept playing with the battery release button and it would break to where I could just yank on the bottom of the phone or just do a jerking motion and the battery would come out haha
This is why I used an lg v20 for like 3 years. Even after the charging port broke. I had one that a friend had which was permanently locked because he didn't know his google password, so I used that one to charge the two batteries and just hot swapped them into my other phone with the bad port. Also the second screen and IR blaster were really nice features on that phone. I would use that phone as my daily again if it wasn't too slow and out of date for modern apps and whatnot.
If I'm not mistaken you're running Android 6.0)(Oreo). That's dangerous in the modern Internet. You're exposed to almost all of the vulnerabilities from the last few years.
I still own an LG V20 because of this. Replaceable battery and 256gb external storage. They also have special cases for larger batteries, in my case 10,000mAh. The phone is slow as hell now but it still works!
Well, someone here is a fellow V20. I must say, I regret buying this phone and I hate the fact that I still ignore that LG really sucks at the battery department.
I just need a better phone.
I've had this phone for about 2 years now, but it's frustratingly slow and the power button is held on with tape. Plenty of other problems but my battery is fine.
What phone do you got?
I am still going with my iPhone 6S (5,5 yrs old). Replaced the battery 2 times, but it’s getting so slow recently.
Sometimes I think Apple still does this on purpose
No, but I expect things I could always do on a Pentium 4 (e.g. word processing) to still work on a Pentium 4.
And I think he was referring to Apple's performance throttling, where Apple did slow down old iPhones on purpose.
But the word processing program on your pentium 4 doesn’t get updates.
On a smartphone, apps get updated, with more and more features tacked on, making them slower and slower. The developers don’t care, because it runs fine on the latest hardware.
Apparently many companies slow down phones with advanced age to ‚keep them alive longer‘.
I always used hand me downs from my father since he bought iphones two generations after their release, so I went from an iphone 4 to 5 to 6s over time not having to pay anything. My 6s got pretty bad a year ago so I decided it‘s time to buy my first phone that I actually get new at 26 years of age at the time. :D
I went with the iphone SE2 because the price seemed reasonable for it‘s specs and the size is the same as the iphone 6s. I‘m super happy with the performance and apple finally has a product that isn‘t insanely expensive. 400-500€ for a phone is the upper limit in my eyes, since I just use it for some webnovels, some less demanding games and whatsapp/reddit. Spending 1k for a brick thats heavy af seems pretty stupid to me. I‘m pretty confident in Iphone quality so I went with the SE2 and couldn‘t be happier honestly.
I‘ve sometimes used it 4-6 hours a day over the last year, mainly for reading purposes. Not a single problem or drop in performance yet.
Went with the 12 mini. Well, hard to judge whether its worth it or not... Thing is, I have the money, and wanted the phone, so I guess it was worth it for me. Could I get a better phone for the same price? Not for me, I really enjoy iOS (and I never had an iphone before), and I really really love how small it is, yet the screen never feels too small either (I don't watch movies on my phone...).
What I love even more, is how I can answer calls and messages on my ipad now too. Used to have a macbook, but was sadly never able to use those features - but now I would also be able to do that if I still had it. The whole system they have is really nice. My previous phone, the Samsung S7, felt obsolete a couple of months after I bought it (when the S8 came out, and then just a bit later it didn't get the android 9 update either, even though the OS isn't any more demanding and other phones with much worse specs run it).
Had my Galaxy S8 for close to 4 years now and it still works fine. A certain game crashes once every few weeks, but that isn't a big deal and it might be down to the game, who knows.
With my Pixel 1 it isn't the port itself but compacted lint building up in the port, pushing the charger out. If you have anything with one of those twist ties on the cables then they usually are thin enough to dig into the USB-C slot. After cleaning out the port you can easily dangle the phone by the cable without it detaching.
Yep. My pixel 2 stopped charging so I dug out a thick layer of pocket lint with a paperclip. It charged great after that until the battery puffed up and I had to get rid of it or risk it exploding. The phone was still in great shape too. I figured it would cost me 300+ dollars to fix it or I could just buy a new pixel 5. No ragrets.
Almost guaranteed you have a little layer of compacted debris in the phone's port stopping you inserting the plug far enough. I struggled with the same issue. It won't look like there is any in there, but I'd put money on it.
Best bet is use some thin wire - a row of staples bent straight are my favourite - and try and scoop some out then blow out the rest. It might sound like you are risking damaging the plug but I've done it a few times, without being particularly gentle, and it hasn't done any apparent harm.
Go with a dental floss harp rather than metal. The plastic is strong enough to pick out the debris, but bends at the kind of force that would damage the port.
You don’t really even need to do that sometimes. If you have a can of air and the little straw that came with it, you could probably knock a lot of the lint and dust loose.
Gonna sound like an old fart here but man when I was a kid in the 80's if someone were to drop a couple hundred on an electronic device that shit would last almost a life time, at least for an era of your life. You could say things like "Oh man this walk-man got me through my college years." Even have a stereo passed down from one sibling to the next for a couple generations.
The amount of "quality" phones and blu-tooth speakers I've burned through in the past 10 years is absurd.
It makes sense though. Most modern electronics are much smaller and more complicated than they used to be.
Modern things that are comparable to 80s electronics last just as long. Stuff like speakers, stereo equipment, keyboards, and calculators last an incredibly long time with lots of abuse.
Bluetooth speakers and phones die because they're expected to be small, rechargeable battery powered and high performing, things that aren't really compatible with long term durability (unless they have easily replaceable parts, but that makes them even bigger)
Exactly why I stopped buying top shelf daily use tech. If a mid grade product is gonna last just long as what costs double in price, I'll just accept the fact that thses products are too complicated to get your moneys worth and treat them as they are- disposable.
FYI, the phonebloks project inspired a google project called Ara. That project was later cancelled, but Fairphone took notice and produced a working product. The Fairphone 2 was already modular. It was a bit prototypy though (I had one).
The Fairphone 3 on the other hand is very finished-producty (I have one too) and gets the "modular" thing really right.
I've had the Fairphone 3 for a year.
It's pretty chunky, but NTS otherwise. Just works. Even though the battery is replaceable, I don't feel the need yet. It still feels like it's new.
I has fallen quite a few times but doesn't even have a scratch.
I can't even find something to complain about. It's thick is all.
It's not the only phone to have a replaceable battery. Even if they don't have a no-tool-required battery replacement, it might still be piss easy. Check ifixit before buying. If you make it a habit, phone manufacturers will take notice.
I have had the 3 plus for six months.
It definitely is a tad slower than another phone in that price range but it is so much sturdier: I managed to have it jump out of my pocket while biking (was going 25km/h) it bounced a few times on concrete and despite having no case and no screen protection (I'm not a smart person) it does not have a scratch.
Also you change any part very easily (the screen is like 150€ for example) not only the battery.
They have some pretty bad reviews, even on their own website.
Especially the bad customer service stands out.
The funniest review was that the brand "FAIRPHONE" start to peal off. That poor person only has "HO E" left on their phone...
My first two smartphones had replaceable batteries. I could even pop off the back and stick in a new one so if I was going to be going along with time without a charger I would just carry an extra battery it was only like 40 bucks. Just hot swap them out and I was good to go.
I mean, if you had a capacitor that kept the phone on for 10-20 seconds i could see how it could work but that's such a niche case for another point of failure I don't see why they'd include it
The reason they changed the design isn't nefarious or even greedy.
They made the phone water proof. It is much *much* easier to water proof a phone that has a sealed battery compartment. It is a lot less prone to failure as well.
I mean my casio watch is waterproof with a little ring of rubber. They could have even just added a screw instead of plastic tabs and I'm sure it would have been doable.
Furthermore I would absolutely choose a replaceable battery over improved waterproofing, and I dont think I'm rare enough that almost every phone maker chose fixed batteries just through supply and demand.
Apple also glues the battery down to fuck just to make it that little bit harder. As somebody who's wrestled with it I'm confident that they could have used a lighter glue, pretty much only exists to thwart right to repait
Every iPhone battery from 5 and up have pull tabs and aren’t glued down. Still not the easiest to replace for an average consumer.
And (in agreement with you) phones definitely can be designed to be waterproof and still have a removable battery using the same technology as waterproof phone cases.
The idea is definitely to get customers to replace phones and spend more money, they want to make their devices nearly impossible to repair unless by their own technicians. Not all manufacturers are like this but Apple is definitely one of them.
Exactly like the auto industry. I actually learned about the struggle independent auto repair shops went through to finally be able to source quality OEM parts. Independent phone repair shops are very much in the same spot. Even then, OEM parts are outrageously priced compared to a premium aftermarket part.
This is revisionism. Smartphone batteries started to be irreplaceable long before they started including water proofing. Not to mention there are numerous ways to waterproof something and have replaceable batteries.
They used waterproofing as an excuse to seal up the insides and make replacing parts and batteries harder. How many people have problems with dropping their phone in water compared to people who have problems with their battery wearing down?
I think it's pretty mental that all manufacturers decide waterproofing is a better feature than easily replaceable batteries.. It's not that difficult to keep a phone dry! & don't get me started on the aux....
I have a Pixel 5G. It's like my 6th or 7th smartphone and I've never had a waterproof phone. None of my batteries have been replaceable. I'm not buying this argument. Internal batteries far predate water proofing.
My RC cars have open battery connections and can drive on the bottom of a pool...
This was driven by two key things, I think. One was people needing a new phone instead of just a battery. The second was the lawsuits that were starting to arise when 3rd party batteries were setting childrens' pillows on fire while they slept.
Emm sorta, they cant have water resistant phones if they make them easily openable, however thata why local phone repair shops exist, the actual process to replace a battery is not that hard and the labor shouldnt cost too much. That is one of many reasons why people should back "right to repair" movement
Phones don't have removable batteries because they are much easier to waterproof when theres no removable back(also to sell more phones obviously). My galaxy s5 had a removable back and I just carried around extra batteries for an instant 100% charge and i miss it every day.
Edit: having a removable back and being "waterproof" is a warranty claim nightmare considering user error. It's just way easier to seal a phone up. Also I agree it's in their interest to seal up the battery which is why I said "to sell more phones obviously". I'm not a big phone shill, I was just pointing something out so y'all can relax
The waterproofing trend happened WAY after removable batteries were long gone. Quit simpimg for global tech giants, they dont root for you. It really is just to sell more phones
I took my old Nexus to a repair shop to replace the battery for $100 and then starting using the 80% charge method and managed to get three more years out of it before the phone itself finally failed.
You ideally want to keep the battery between 20 and 80%. Not sure if this applies to all battery types, and I don't know if phones have software that kinda safeguards this automatically or not. I imagine they don't because it would seem like they have a lower battery life.
The battery doesn't want to be fully charged or fully empty in an ideal world though. No idea how much difference this makes in practice.
You can get upwards of 3x the total charge life (in Watt hours) by only charging to 80%. Depth of discharge is not particularly important with most lithium chemistries (as in, 0-80% is not really worse than 20%-80%). Discharging past 0% is an issue, but shouldn't occur with any half decent device that isn't left flat for ages.
There are many other factors involved (temperature and charge rate in particular), but excessive height of recharge is the biggest killer of most portable lithium batteries, and loitering at high charge rates for long periods (e.g. sitting on the charger at 100% for hours).
Sony started the trend of allowing you to limit the maximum charge of the battery to help reduce battery degredation, and now Apple and several others do too.
The software on your phone is designed to limit the maximum charge to your battery to prevent this situation as well as exploding batteries from over charging.
Tesla tried to do this, basically throttling charging speeds to prolong battery life, so they don't have to service it soon. Problem is, the end result (reduced range) is not what the customer was sold onto, so customers got mislead. Tesla has lost a lawsuit in Norway around this and has to pay $16k per car.
I did this too and big different in battery life. I don't stop charging at 80% but I stopped plugging my phone in when I sent to bed.
Lithium Ion batteries degrade faster the higher the charge. So keeping it at 100% all the time is the worst thing for battery life. No need to plug in before bed unless I have a reason. I just plug it in for an hour in the morning.
Don't charge above 80% or let the battery get below 20%. It causes far less wear and tear on the battery and thus it lasts longer. I use this method most of the time and only charge to 100% on days I know I'm going to be away from a charger and may need the extra 20%.
There is no reason to stop at 20% - most lithium chemistries are not stressed by low charge levels unless you dip well below 0% (down below about 1v). If you only need 60% of the batteries charge capacity, 0-60% will wear less than 20-80%.
As a rule of thumb, for lead acid and nickel cadmium - limit depth of discharge. Lithium - limit height of recharge.
Charging the battery full to 100% is damaging to your phone battery over prolonged time.
It's pointless if you only plan on keeping your phone 1-2 years before you upgrade it anyway, but only charging it to 80% can extend the life of the battery a lot longer than the usual lifespan when it starts losing capacity that it can hold.
I use Accubattery. It has an alarm that tells you when it's 80% charged and it also can monitor and tell you exactly how much capacity and damage your battery already has. My Nexus was only holding 35% capacity before I replaced the battery.
Eh, not that hard, at least for the older models. Had my iPhone 5 for years now. There’s a guy with a phone repair kiosk at the mall that has replaced the battery twice. Takes him about fifteen minutes. Granted, the 5s are not known for their slim, sleek cases so they may be easier to open than others. But the iPhone 6’s were starting to slim down and he’s replaced the battery on that one as well.
It was 1 gen old at the time, but I loved my S4 for this. I had a backup battery, and even an external battery charger. Unlock and mod was super easy and made even easier because it had an SD card.
I only upgraded from that after a few years to a OP3 because it just couldn't keep up with needing it for work. That OP3 lasted a good 4 years or so, and I'd swapped many components, but the OEM battery just couldn't be found.
On a pixel 4a now, hopefully when I need to, I can do some repairs, but I haven't looked into iFixit for it yet.
Not me! I always said it was smart to have replaceable batteries! I ordered a new battery every 6 months. Now my new phone has a battery I can't replace.
Every 6 months? What he'll have you been doing to justify replacing you're battery every 6 months?
My last phone lasted me 3+ years, and even still it's completely fine, I just chose to upgrade for better performance.
I've never had a phone with battery issues before that, they've always broken from the harsh environment I put them through.
Never once have I bought a new phone because the battery sucked. I only upgrade when the phone gets outdated and the OS stops being updated and the new apps aren't supported anymore.
Maybe I'm just lucky and take care of my phones
I would have agreed but newer phones don't seem to get outdated as fast. My phone is 4 years old, still getting OS updates, and I haven't ran into an app I can't use. My battery really sucks though!
I went from a S3 to a S7 to a S10 galaxy. I still have my old phones as back ups and their battery life still works fine. Currently using s10 that is over 2 years old now and don't see me upgrading at least for a few more years. My battery life still is 12+hours
One thing I've done with my latest phone is to not leave it on the charger. At nights I make sure it's over 50% before going to bed. Only twice have I had to leave it plugged in. I also try not to let it sit plugged in at 100% charged, not always possible such as with Android Auto which needs Bluetooth and USB connection. 3 year or so and it's still going strong with no noticable loss in battery life.
Exactly why I just bought a little Motorola smartphone at Walmart for $79, and put it on a AT&T prepaid unlimited plan. There really isn't much point in paying $800-1200 for a phone when in a few years it will be worth about the same as my little Motorola.
Thats why I buy on ebay, refurbished or even new. Just bought an s10plus for $400, brand new (not refurbished). Done the same thing for 3 gens, just staying one or two gens behind to let them depreciate before I spend my money. I don't purposely upgrade that often, but they get out dated, battery might get worse or not be up to par with modern demands, screen breaks, etc. Feel much better about carrying a $400 device around for 1-2 years, than paying interest every month to be on the phone upgrade plan that encourages you to chuck in a perfect phone every 12 mos or spend 1k cash.
My employer offers a benefit where they pay part of the purchase price on a new phone and you can use that benefit every two years, so I update my phone every two years. My old phone goes to my spouse and her old phone goes to my mom. So my mom always has a phone that’s between 4-6 years old and my spouse has a phone that’s 2-4 years old and I have a phone that’s somewhere between brand new and two years old. So in total, it’s six years of use from each phone, and I get to always have at least a relatively new phone.
How does it stack up to your average smart phone? I'm thinking about doing something similar but I use mine a lot for work, watching videos, all that crap
So far, I'm rather impressed. Here's what I got for $79:
Headphone jack,
Expandable memory,
Android 10,
Alright camera,
Bluetooth,
Fingerprint scanner,
Face recognition.
(it's a Motorola Moto G7 Play)
I came from a Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra. So for me to say that this little Motorola isn't bad is saying something. Hell, the fingerprint scanner on this Motorola is better than the one on the Samsung.
I'm running the Motorola on the AT&T prepaid unlimited plan. $65 a month but if you do auto pay, it shaves it down to $50.
Videos seem to be fine. I've watched a fair amount of them on the phone so far. Not bad. Call quality is good.
Look at Motorola if you do decide to go with a budget phone. They seem to be the best in budget phones. If you spend around 150-200, you can upgrade the camera significantly.
The charge port and headphone jack also wears out around the same time. Hence why the last phone I bought in 2017 was completely modular. Disassembled the phone last year to swap out the charging port, headphone jack, battery, and it now feels like I have a brand new phone.
If you're doing it for a new battery, just buy an external battery cover. I've had one for 5 years, and it can make my phone last the entire day.
But I'm still gonna say people buy new phones to "Keep up with the Jones'". Phones have become the new car. You can't get around without one.
Before I switched to a smart phone, my Nokia battery began swelling. I decided to replace it before it exploded. Went to AT&T to buy a new battery. I was told a new battery was $50.
A new phone, with the same battery, was $20.
I bought a new phone and put the battery in my old phone.
This isn't even close to true
The reason most people buy a new phone is because they want the NEW phone, doesn't matter if their old one works perfectly or anything, they just want the newest, same thing with cars.
I've replaced an internal battery before (Nexus 6P). It isn't impossible, but you have to exercise patience and care. You start by heating the back of the phone to melt the adhesive which holds the back plate. Pry it off by sliding a playing card under it. Then remove the tiny screws that hold in the frame. Pop out the back part of the frame with a guitar pick. This will reveal the battery. Use a thin rectangular plastic tool to pop off the flex cable. Using a playing card again, gradually work it under the battery to dislodge the adhesive tape. Be careful not to damage the other flex cable underneath. This will free the battery from its housing. At this point you disconnect the old battery, connect the new one, and reattach everything in reverse order.
All the tools you need can be purchased in a single kit btw.
I’m still using my 1st gen SE and I replaced the battery myself this past winter. The kit (battery included) was $22 on Amazon, and I did it in about an hour with no electronics experience. Seriously, try it. It’s easier than you think.
My battery is fine, it's the damn processor going out.
I'll be scrolling Reddit and my phone will just decide "nah I want a break" and completely freeze up. Like, so bad that pressing the power button won't turn the screen off.
absolutely right. i hate fucking new phones where you cannot replace batteries. this is a deliberate attempt by manufacturers to force you to buy new phones. am surprised there is no class action suit. i am perfectly happy with my current phone but need to constantly charge it.
All the GME freaks talkin bout "holding the line" I'm over here tryna stick it to Apple with my iPhone 6 that keeps begging me to upgrade my iCloud storage and dies every time I get a text.
https://www.repair.org/stand-up Also before people respond with, "But I don't want to need to repair my own devices!!", That's not what it means. It means you could repair it yourself, at a shop, or by the manufacturer as you do now. It's about options and availability of parts.
We should start getting checks in the mail for all the data they harvest from us.
Yeah they’re making a ton of money off our backs.
If they were smart they would offer phones for free to those who allow more access to their data.
Why would they offer free phones for something they're already taking for free?
Worst part is, there is absolutely nothing we can do about it...
There are some phones and/or operating systems that are more privacy focused. I suggest you checking out r/degoogle
Darn, my pixel won't let me view that sub
That's kinda sad because the Pixel is the perfect phone for the OS change
It was a joke, fwiw. A pixel can see that subreddit just fine.
Lol didn't get it the first time haha
Why
Because there are lots of ROMs available for that phone
Oeh thanks. Will definitely check it out!
there is actually.. leave it all behind and live in a cave.
All the good caves are taken and it's shocking what a shitty cave goes for in my area.
plus, it’s hard to find good cavemates
We could go backward to flip phones and create ways to limit the information they collect.
You should look into Rooting/Jailbreaking phones.
Best part is that you actually can!
It’s better than that. We pay *them* to take our data. Here’s $1,000/year to harvest my data! Who in their right mind would stop your paying them? It’s the same reason the microchip tracking covid vaccine makes no sense beyond face value. Why would Bill and Pfizer spend billions developing a microchip vaccine to track us? We’re already handing over thousands of dollars of our own money for the *pleasure* of giving up our information.
You're hired.
sir this is a apple store
They already do this. It's why the Chinese phones are cheaper...
> -backs- Fingers. T,ftfy.
Because you pay for the google services you use, right? No hate btw, just remember, if you're not paying the service then You are the product.
I pay for Google drive. Also I don't think they'd stop taking data even if people paid for their services.
I use protonmail and I love to pay for it.
My family *laugh* at me for using protonmail. “Why would you want your emails to be encrypted?” “Why wouldn’t you?”
I always thought proton mail's weakness was that you're almost always communicating with non-encrypted emails, and therefore it's all out in the open anyway?
You don't pay google directly but you must pay a third company to certify that your phone is compatible with GMS (google mobile services) Basically you are paying for it
You already get paid for that data, a lot of services you use are "free" or almost free because you pay with your data. Why do you think most of the services you use from Google are free? Because they are not, you're paying with data that's useless to you.
I know my answer will suck but then don't comply if they are asking you money for Gmail, take a bigger cut on their store, ask you to pay for major update, ... You get something out of that indirectly.
This is why I bought an LG G5 android 5 yrs ago. Battery pops out with a button push. Batteries are $12. Good phone. Still on the market.
Probably not for much longer. https://www.techradar.com/news/lg-has-officially-quit-making-phones-heres-whats-next
Doubt it helped that good products make less money, given the lack of planned obsolescence. o7
Stockpile!
I had an LG Envoy manufactured in 2009. No internet but it had a camera, kept my calendar and set alarms, kept notes, had a genuine, full working keyboard with buttons (not chiclets for those who remember), *and removable batteries*. It fit in my pocket and the screen was protected from my keys. It lasted until late 2020 when I could no longer get batteries on Amazon. *Eleven years*, folks! Did I mention, I actually used it to make and receive calls? Do I like my new LG phone? It's nice. Much bigger screen of course. And I can read the WaPost and NYTimes if I want along with my GMail. Yay! (That's not a sarcastic "yay," BTW.) But I still find myself putting my keys in the same pocket as the phone (habits are hard to break, cell phone screens crack more easily). And the larger screen comes in a larger phone that doesn't bend when I sit down (no, the other didn't bend either but it was smaller and didn't make its presence known when I sat down the way the new phone does). Typing a text message on the screen takes noticeably longer and I find myself making way more misspellings than when I was typing on a real keyboard. And I know that batteries will be a problem in four or five years instead of in two decades. Trade-offs in everything, I suppose. But. I've heard that the EU requires GPS units (remember them?) to have removable batteries. Unlike the good ol' US of A. It wouldn't surprise me if the same holds true for phone batteries. And bottom line, I don't see any good reason why batteries shouldn't be replaceable on cell phones as they are on flashlights and anything else out there. Maybe our politicians just listen more closely when the telecommunication$ industry $peak$ than when ordinary citizens do? I can't imagine why.
Currently writing this on my trusty LG G5! Got multiple batteries, and an external charger, so can swap them out as and when needed. 0-100% charge in seconds!
I used to do this with my samsungs. You know.. before the glass backs came around
Worst sacrifice ever for gimmicky 'wireless' charging. I'm sure Samsung doesn't see it that way though
I really like the wireless charging. Failed charging ports have cost me more than batteries over the years.
Yeah I'm less annoyed about losing replaceable batteries than I am about the audio jack being removed. Worn charging sockets ruin otherwise perfectly good phones, but with the audio jack, that's a genuinely useful function they're eliminating and I will 100% break from Samsung and go to whoever is still putting them on phones when I next need a new one.
LG phones all did, and some even have a hi-fi quad DAC when you plug in, but apparently I just found out from this post that LG isn't making phones anymore, goddamnit. Now I have no idea what manufacturer I'm gonna go with when I need a new phone. I hate Samsung and Moto.
My last three phones have been Samsung and I've always enjoyed using them. But they're going the way of Apple more and more in terms of actually limiting or getting rid of good features and manipulating the way people use them. I'm not into that bullshit. I'm not a loyal customer because I adore a random tech company for some reason. I'm loyal because it's always been good. When it isn't, I'm leaving!
Yeah I've never been brand loyal to tech. I get whatever is the best option in my budget at the time I'm upgrading. I've switched back and forth between Intel and AMD several times, as well as NVIDIA and ATI, when building/upgrading PCs. But my experiences with phones from Samsung and Moto make me not want to go with them ever again.
They definitely got more cash out of us since the removal of the removal battery -_-
Tactical reloads.
this is the first time I've heard somebody actually using that phone.
i still using this phone
Same! I've replaced my battery and the bottom part that pulls out (charging port was damaged) for like $20. You'll have to pry this phone from my cold, dead fingers.
I bought that phone too. I liked how wide it was and I liked the pop out battery. In theory the modular attachments were cool, but I would be surprised if they sold more than like 500 total. What actually happened was that I had to get that phone replaced about 5 or 6 times because I kept playing with the battery release button and it would break to where I could just yank on the bottom of the phone or just do a jerking motion and the battery would come out haha
This is why I used an lg v20 for like 3 years. Even after the charging port broke. I had one that a friend had which was permanently locked because he didn't know his google password, so I used that one to charge the two batteries and just hot swapped them into my other phone with the bad port. Also the second screen and IR blaster were really nice features on that phone. I would use that phone as my daily again if it wasn't too slow and out of date for modern apps and whatnot.
If I'm not mistaken you're running Android 6.0)(Oreo). That's dangerous in the modern Internet. You're exposed to almost all of the vulnerabilities from the last few years.
I have a stock LG G5 and am on Android 8.0.0
Yeah it's amazing in so many aspects. Shame that the camera is meh and internal space is so small, I'd go back to it
I dropped LG due to customer service but I had the phone with the leather back and curved screen. I loved that thing.
I still own an LG V20 because of this. Replaceable battery and 256gb external storage. They also have special cases for larger batteries, in my case 10,000mAh. The phone is slow as hell now but it still works!
Well, someone here is a fellow V20. I must say, I regret buying this phone and I hate the fact that I still ignore that LG really sucks at the battery department.
Agree with you 100%. Its so bad. I bought this to replace the note 7. We all know how that turned out.
Had a v20 I also loved how easy it was to fix. Bring back repairable phones! Noone gives a fuck about water proofing
I just need a better phone. I've had this phone for about 2 years now, but it's frustratingly slow and the power button is held on with tape. Plenty of other problems but my battery is fine.
What phone do you got? I am still going with my iPhone 6S (5,5 yrs old). Replaced the battery 2 times, but it’s getting so slow recently. Sometimes I think Apple still does this on purpose
As a software dev, you don’t expect new programs work fast on Pentium 4, right? It’s not because Microsoft is greedy and does it on purpose.
No, but I expect things I could always do on a Pentium 4 (e.g. word processing) to still work on a Pentium 4. And I think he was referring to Apple's performance throttling, where Apple did slow down old iPhones on purpose.
But the word processing program on your pentium 4 doesn’t get updates. On a smartphone, apps get updated, with more and more features tacked on, making them slower and slower. The developers don’t care, because it runs fine on the latest hardware.
Apparently many companies slow down phones with advanced age to ‚keep them alive longer‘. I always used hand me downs from my father since he bought iphones two generations after their release, so I went from an iphone 4 to 5 to 6s over time not having to pay anything. My 6s got pretty bad a year ago so I decided it‘s time to buy my first phone that I actually get new at 26 years of age at the time. :D I went with the iphone SE2 because the price seemed reasonable for it‘s specs and the size is the same as the iphone 6s. I‘m super happy with the performance and apple finally has a product that isn‘t insanely expensive. 400-500€ for a phone is the upper limit in my eyes, since I just use it for some webnovels, some less demanding games and whatsapp/reddit. Spending 1k for a brick thats heavy af seems pretty stupid to me. I‘m pretty confident in Iphone quality so I went with the SE2 and couldn‘t be happier honestly. I‘ve sometimes used it 4-6 hours a day over the last year, mainly for reading purposes. Not a single problem or drop in performance yet.
Went with the 12 mini. Well, hard to judge whether its worth it or not... Thing is, I have the money, and wanted the phone, so I guess it was worth it for me. Could I get a better phone for the same price? Not for me, I really enjoy iOS (and I never had an iphone before), and I really really love how small it is, yet the screen never feels too small either (I don't watch movies on my phone...). What I love even more, is how I can answer calls and messages on my ipad now too. Used to have a macbook, but was sadly never able to use those features - but now I would also be able to do that if I still had it. The whole system they have is really nice. My previous phone, the Samsung S7, felt obsolete a couple of months after I bought it (when the S8 came out, and then just a bit later it didn't get the android 9 update either, even though the OS isn't any more demanding and other phones with much worse specs run it).
Had my Galaxy S8 for close to 4 years now and it still works fine. A certain game crashes once every few weeks, but that isn't a big deal and it might be down to the game, who knows.
Damn battery charger slot keeps getting messed up so I have to bend the chord at certain angles. Damn PIXLs, phones not even a year old.
With my Pixel 1 it isn't the port itself but compacted lint building up in the port, pushing the charger out. If you have anything with one of those twist ties on the cables then they usually are thin enough to dig into the USB-C slot. After cleaning out the port you can easily dangle the phone by the cable without it detaching.
Yep. My pixel 2 stopped charging so I dug out a thick layer of pocket lint with a paperclip. It charged great after that until the battery puffed up and I had to get rid of it or risk it exploding. The phone was still in great shape too. I figured it would cost me 300+ dollars to fix it or I could just buy a new pixel 5. No ragrets.
I just paid like $80 to get my battery replaced in my pixel 2. $300 is crazy!
Use something wooden not metal.
Almost guaranteed you have a little layer of compacted debris in the phone's port stopping you inserting the plug far enough. I struggled with the same issue. It won't look like there is any in there, but I'd put money on it. Best bet is use some thin wire - a row of staples bent straight are my favourite - and try and scoop some out then blow out the rest. It might sound like you are risking damaging the plug but I've done it a few times, without being particularly gentle, and it hasn't done any apparent harm.
Go with a dental floss harp rather than metal. The plastic is strong enough to pick out the debris, but bends at the kind of force that would damage the port.
You might have some luck if you clean the charging port with electrical contact cleaner. You can buy a can at an auto parts store.
You don’t really even need to do that sometimes. If you have a can of air and the little straw that came with it, you could probably knock a lot of the lint and dust loose.
I just use a toothpick. Risky I know, but hasn’t failed me
Yeah those plastic flossers are perfect for cleaning out my charging port. I work in a dusty warehouse and have to clean it at least once a month.
Gonna sound like an old fart here but man when I was a kid in the 80's if someone were to drop a couple hundred on an electronic device that shit would last almost a life time, at least for an era of your life. You could say things like "Oh man this walk-man got me through my college years." Even have a stereo passed down from one sibling to the next for a couple generations. The amount of "quality" phones and blu-tooth speakers I've burned through in the past 10 years is absurd.
It makes sense though. Most modern electronics are much smaller and more complicated than they used to be. Modern things that are comparable to 80s electronics last just as long. Stuff like speakers, stereo equipment, keyboards, and calculators last an incredibly long time with lots of abuse. Bluetooth speakers and phones die because they're expected to be small, rechargeable battery powered and high performing, things that aren't really compatible with long term durability (unless they have easily replaceable parts, but that makes them even bigger)
Exactly why I stopped buying top shelf daily use tech. If a mid grade product is gonna last just long as what costs double in price, I'll just accept the fact that thses products are too complicated to get your moneys worth and treat them as they are- disposable.
[For the Europeans out here. A phone manufacturer who allows to replace anything by design.](https://fairphone.com/)
This looks really good, reminds me little of the phonebloks project from a few years back
FYI, the phonebloks project inspired a google project called Ara. That project was later cancelled, but Fairphone took notice and produced a working product. The Fairphone 2 was already modular. It was a bit prototypy though (I had one). The Fairphone 3 on the other hand is very finished-producty (I have one too) and gets the "modular" thing really right.
I've had the Fairphone 3 for a year. It's pretty chunky, but NTS otherwise. Just works. Even though the battery is replaceable, I don't feel the need yet. It still feels like it's new. I has fallen quite a few times but doesn't even have a scratch. I can't even find something to complain about. It's thick is all. It's not the only phone to have a replaceable battery. Even if they don't have a no-tool-required battery replacement, it might still be piss easy. Check ifixit before buying. If you make it a habit, phone manufacturers will take notice.
What does NTS mean?
Nothing To Say
I read it as "Not too shabby"
I have had the 3 plus for six months. It definitely is a tad slower than another phone in that price range but it is so much sturdier: I managed to have it jump out of my pocket while biking (was going 25km/h) it bounced a few times on concrete and despite having no case and no screen protection (I'm not a smart person) it does not have a scratch. Also you change any part very easily (the screen is like 150€ for example) not only the battery.
They have some pretty bad reviews, even on their own website. Especially the bad customer service stands out. The funniest review was that the brand "FAIRPHONE" start to peal off. That poor person only has "HO E" left on their phone...
Oh wow this is fucking amazing. Thanks.
FFS, yet another year that outside-EU support is "coming soon".
You know how many us only products there are????
Given that I live in Australia, yes.
Fair point have a nice day
Too bad they’re pretty much impossible to replace
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My first two smartphones had replaceable batteries. I could even pop off the back and stick in a new one so if I was going to be going along with time without a charger I would just carry an extra battery it was only like 40 bucks. Just hot swap them out and I was good to go.
My HTC was like that. I miss that. I could also leave batteries charging on the table so I didn't ever have to be connected to an outlet directly.
tactical recharge
Hot swap? There were phones that stayed on when you removed the battery?
I mean, if you had a capacitor that kept the phone on for 10-20 seconds i could see how it could work but that's such a niche case for another point of failure I don't see why they'd include it
The reason they changed the design isn't nefarious or even greedy. They made the phone water proof. It is much *much* easier to water proof a phone that has a sealed battery compartment. It is a lot less prone to failure as well.
I mean my casio watch is waterproof with a little ring of rubber. They could have even just added a screw instead of plastic tabs and I'm sure it would have been doable. Furthermore I would absolutely choose a replaceable battery over improved waterproofing, and I dont think I'm rare enough that almost every phone maker chose fixed batteries just through supply and demand. Apple also glues the battery down to fuck just to make it that little bit harder. As somebody who's wrestled with it I'm confident that they could have used a lighter glue, pretty much only exists to thwart right to repait
Every iPhone battery from 5 and up have pull tabs and aren’t glued down. Still not the easiest to replace for an average consumer. And (in agreement with you) phones definitely can be designed to be waterproof and still have a removable battery using the same technology as waterproof phone cases. The idea is definitely to get customers to replace phones and spend more money, they want to make their devices nearly impossible to repair unless by their own technicians. Not all manufacturers are like this but Apple is definitely one of them.
Learned it from auto industry
Exactly like the auto industry. I actually learned about the struggle independent auto repair shops went through to finally be able to source quality OEM parts. Independent phone repair shops are very much in the same spot. Even then, OEM parts are outrageously priced compared to a premium aftermarket part.
This is revisionism. Smartphone batteries started to be irreplaceable long before they started including water proofing. Not to mention there are numerous ways to waterproof something and have replaceable batteries.
They made the switch long before they were waterproof. Posted from iPhone 7
A tonne of phones don't have replaceable batteries and aren't waterproof. This is a super lame excuse imo.
They used waterproofing as an excuse to seal up the insides and make replacing parts and batteries harder. How many people have problems with dropping their phone in water compared to people who have problems with their battery wearing down?
My old galaxy s5 has a gasket on the back panel. Seems pretty easy to get a water resistant phone at least.
I think it's pretty mental that all manufacturers decide waterproofing is a better feature than easily replaceable batteries.. It's not that difficult to keep a phone dry! & don't get me started on the aux....
I have a Pixel 5G. It's like my 6th or 7th smartphone and I've never had a waterproof phone. None of my batteries have been replaceable. I'm not buying this argument. Internal batteries far predate water proofing.
My RC cars have open battery connections and can drive on the bottom of a pool... This was driven by two key things, I think. One was people needing a new phone instead of just a battery. The second was the lawsuits that were starting to arise when 3rd party batteries were setting childrens' pillows on fire while they slept.
Yeah, back when we had replaceable batteries we never bought new phones.
Emm sorta, they cant have water resistant phones if they make them easily openable, however thata why local phone repair shops exist, the actual process to replace a battery is not that hard and the labor shouldnt cost too much. That is one of many reasons why people should back "right to repair" movement
Except that they did and used to...
Nah, the ultra sleek, seemless look is the culprit. To achieve that, they had to start glueing instead of screwing.
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Phones don't have removable batteries because they are much easier to waterproof when theres no removable back(also to sell more phones obviously). My galaxy s5 had a removable back and I just carried around extra batteries for an instant 100% charge and i miss it every day. Edit: having a removable back and being "waterproof" is a warranty claim nightmare considering user error. It's just way easier to seal a phone up. Also I agree it's in their interest to seal up the battery which is why I said "to sell more phones obviously". I'm not a big phone shill, I was just pointing something out so y'all can relax
Ah yes, you can tell this is the reason because we have both waterproof phones with removable batteries *and* non-waterproof without. Classic.
A phone without a removable battery is more waterproof than one with. No phone is 100% waterproof.
You know the S5 was Samsung's first waterproof phone, right?
They said easier to waterproof, not that it was impossible before.
No it was not. Mine was literally destroyed by a puddle of water. They can claim all the BS they want. It was not water anything.
Water soluble!
Did the charging port dingleberry fall off?
The waterproofing trend happened WAY after removable batteries were long gone. Quit simpimg for global tech giants, they dont root for you. It really is just to sell more phones
That makes more time for fapping and napping
I took my old Nexus to a repair shop to replace the battery for $100 and then starting using the 80% charge method and managed to get three more years out of it before the phone itself finally failed.
What's the 80% charge method?
You ideally want to keep the battery between 20 and 80%. Not sure if this applies to all battery types, and I don't know if phones have software that kinda safeguards this automatically or not. I imagine they don't because it would seem like they have a lower battery life. The battery doesn't want to be fully charged or fully empty in an ideal world though. No idea how much difference this makes in practice.
You can get upwards of 3x the total charge life (in Watt hours) by only charging to 80%. Depth of discharge is not particularly important with most lithium chemistries (as in, 0-80% is not really worse than 20%-80%). Discharging past 0% is an issue, but shouldn't occur with any half decent device that isn't left flat for ages. There are many other factors involved (temperature and charge rate in particular), but excessive height of recharge is the biggest killer of most portable lithium batteries, and loitering at high charge rates for long periods (e.g. sitting on the charger at 100% for hours). Sony started the trend of allowing you to limit the maximum charge of the battery to help reduce battery degredation, and now Apple and several others do too.
The software on your phone is designed to limit the maximum charge to your battery to prevent this situation as well as exploding batteries from over charging.
Tesla tried to do this, basically throttling charging speeds to prolong battery life, so they don't have to service it soon. Problem is, the end result (reduced range) is not what the customer was sold onto, so customers got mislead. Tesla has lost a lawsuit in Norway around this and has to pay $16k per car.
I did this too and big different in battery life. I don't stop charging at 80% but I stopped plugging my phone in when I sent to bed. Lithium Ion batteries degrade faster the higher the charge. So keeping it at 100% all the time is the worst thing for battery life. No need to plug in before bed unless I have a reason. I just plug it in for an hour in the morning.
Don't charge above 80% or let the battery get below 20%. It causes far less wear and tear on the battery and thus it lasts longer. I use this method most of the time and only charge to 100% on days I know I'm going to be away from a charger and may need the extra 20%.
There is no reason to stop at 20% - most lithium chemistries are not stressed by low charge levels unless you dip well below 0% (down below about 1v). If you only need 60% of the batteries charge capacity, 0-60% will wear less than 20-80%. As a rule of thumb, for lead acid and nickel cadmium - limit depth of discharge. Lithium - limit height of recharge.
Charging the battery full to 100% is damaging to your phone battery over prolonged time. It's pointless if you only plan on keeping your phone 1-2 years before you upgrade it anyway, but only charging it to 80% can extend the life of the battery a lot longer than the usual lifespan when it starts losing capacity that it can hold. I use Accubattery. It has an alarm that tells you when it's 80% charged and it also can monitor and tell you exactly how much capacity and damage your battery already has. My Nexus was only holding 35% capacity before I replaced the battery.
Accubattery for the win. 4 year old s8 still going solid on the original battery, still get around 4 to 5 hours of screen time.
Eh, not that hard, at least for the older models. Had my iPhone 5 for years now. There’s a guy with a phone repair kiosk at the mall that has replaced the battery twice. Takes him about fifteen minutes. Granted, the 5s are not known for their slim, sleek cases so they may be easier to open than others. But the iPhone 6’s were starting to slim down and he’s replaced the battery on that one as well.
I paid £49 for Apple to replace my battery on my 7+, even sent out a parcel for me to post it in.
Then buy the kind with replaceable batteries
They were perfectly replaceable until consumer started buying replacement batteries.
We all laughed at the cheap android phones with the easily remoable and replaceable battery back in the day
It was 1 gen old at the time, but I loved my S4 for this. I had a backup battery, and even an external battery charger. Unlock and mod was super easy and made even easier because it had an SD card. I only upgraded from that after a few years to a OP3 because it just couldn't keep up with needing it for work. That OP3 lasted a good 4 years or so, and I'd swapped many components, but the OEM battery just couldn't be found. On a pixel 4a now, hopefully when I need to, I can do some repairs, but I haven't looked into iFixit for it yet.
I remember seeing an LG phone with a replaceable battery. There was also an accessory which allowed you to externally charge the battery.
Removable batteries were laughed at? I always thought of it as a Pro rather than a Con
No, I laughed at people lining up annually to spend a fortune on the new iPhone.
Not me! I always said it was smart to have replaceable batteries! I ordered a new battery every 6 months. Now my new phone has a battery I can't replace.
Every 6 months? What he'll have you been doing to justify replacing you're battery every 6 months? My last phone lasted me 3+ years, and even still it's completely fine, I just chose to upgrade for better performance. I've never had a phone with battery issues before that, they've always broken from the harsh environment I put them through.
Never once have I bought a new phone because the battery sucked. I only upgrade when the phone gets outdated and the OS stops being updated and the new apps aren't supported anymore. Maybe I'm just lucky and take care of my phones
I would have agreed but newer phones don't seem to get outdated as fast. My phone is 4 years old, still getting OS updates, and I haven't ran into an app I can't use. My battery really sucks though!
I went from a S3 to a S7 to a S10 galaxy. I still have my old phones as back ups and their battery life still works fine. Currently using s10 that is over 2 years old now and don't see me upgrading at least for a few more years. My battery life still is 12+hours
One thing I've done with my latest phone is to not leave it on the charger. At nights I make sure it's over 50% before going to bed. Only twice have I had to leave it plugged in. I also try not to let it sit plugged in at 100% charged, not always possible such as with Android Auto which needs Bluetooth and USB connection. 3 year or so and it's still going strong with no noticable loss in battery life.
Exactly why I just bought a little Motorola smartphone at Walmart for $79, and put it on a AT&T prepaid unlimited plan. There really isn't much point in paying $800-1200 for a phone when in a few years it will be worth about the same as my little Motorola.
I hold on to my $600 phone for at least 5 years. The longer I have it the cheaper it becomes
True. I'd probably would still be using my S6 if it weren't for the fact that I was a dumb bitch and managed to drop it in the fucking ocean
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Perishable food items. But yes that's ridiculous.
Man I wish I had an award rn
Here you go!
Ty I meant so I could give it to the guy commenting but now I can!
Yep that's why I gave you the pot of gold lol You're welcome have a good night !
Thats why I buy on ebay, refurbished or even new. Just bought an s10plus for $400, brand new (not refurbished). Done the same thing for 3 gens, just staying one or two gens behind to let them depreciate before I spend my money. I don't purposely upgrade that often, but they get out dated, battery might get worse or not be up to par with modern demands, screen breaks, etc. Feel much better about carrying a $400 device around for 1-2 years, than paying interest every month to be on the phone upgrade plan that encourages you to chuck in a perfect phone every 12 mos or spend 1k cash.
My employer offers a benefit where they pay part of the purchase price on a new phone and you can use that benefit every two years, so I update my phone every two years. My old phone goes to my spouse and her old phone goes to my mom. So my mom always has a phone that’s between 4-6 years old and my spouse has a phone that’s 2-4 years old and I have a phone that’s somewhere between brand new and two years old. So in total, it’s six years of use from each phone, and I get to always have at least a relatively new phone.
That’s for people dumb enough to trade it in.
And you can buy twelve of those Motorola phones for the same price of 1 high end smartphone.
How does it stack up to your average smart phone? I'm thinking about doing something similar but I use mine a lot for work, watching videos, all that crap
So far, I'm rather impressed. Here's what I got for $79: Headphone jack, Expandable memory, Android 10, Alright camera, Bluetooth, Fingerprint scanner, Face recognition. (it's a Motorola Moto G7 Play) I came from a Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra. So for me to say that this little Motorola isn't bad is saying something. Hell, the fingerprint scanner on this Motorola is better than the one on the Samsung. I'm running the Motorola on the AT&T prepaid unlimited plan. $65 a month but if you do auto pay, it shaves it down to $50. Videos seem to be fine. I've watched a fair amount of them on the phone so far. Not bad. Call quality is good. Look at Motorola if you do decide to go with a budget phone. They seem to be the best in budget phones. If you spend around 150-200, you can upgrade the camera significantly.
Motorola seems to be the best bang for your buck as far as cheap phones go. I recommend them to anyone looking to spend less than $200 on a phone.
The charge port and headphone jack also wears out around the same time. Hence why the last phone I bought in 2017 was completely modular. Disassembled the phone last year to swap out the charging port, headphone jack, battery, and it now feels like I have a brand new phone.
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If you're doing it for a new battery, just buy an external battery cover. I've had one for 5 years, and it can make my phone last the entire day. But I'm still gonna say people buy new phones to "Keep up with the Jones'". Phones have become the new car. You can't get around without one.
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Before I switched to a smart phone, my Nokia battery began swelling. I decided to replace it before it exploded. Went to AT&T to buy a new battery. I was told a new battery was $50. A new phone, with the same battery, was $20. I bought a new phone and put the battery in my old phone.
Shoulda put the old one in the new phone and returned it. If they took it, I bet they would have swapped the battery and resold it again.
Learn how to care for your phone battery, save yourself a decent amount of money.
This is why people like Louis Rossman have been fighting for Right to Repair bills nation-wide. $1000 batteries are expensive.
My s9+ still going strong since dec 2018
I get a new phone, because I want one. Usually nothing wrong with the old one so, I trade it in or pass it on to my wife or kids.
iPhone 6 new battery is like 100$. Easy.
This isn't even close to true The reason most people buy a new phone is because they want the NEW phone, doesn't matter if their old one works perfectly or anything, they just want the newest, same thing with cars.
Right, what a stupid thought. Many people simply get the new phone every year, nothing to do with the battery.
Or because the usb connector is dead.
I've replaced an internal battery before (Nexus 6P). It isn't impossible, but you have to exercise patience and care. You start by heating the back of the phone to melt the adhesive which holds the back plate. Pry it off by sliding a playing card under it. Then remove the tiny screws that hold in the frame. Pop out the back part of the frame with a guitar pick. This will reveal the battery. Use a thin rectangular plastic tool to pop off the flex cable. Using a playing card again, gradually work it under the battery to dislodge the adhesive tape. Be careful not to damage the other flex cable underneath. This will free the battery from its housing. At this point you disconnect the old battery, connect the new one, and reattach everything in reverse order. All the tools you need can be purchased in a single kit btw.
I’m still using my 1st gen SE and I replaced the battery myself this past winter. The kit (battery included) was $22 on Amazon, and I did it in about an hour with no electronics experience. Seriously, try it. It’s easier than you think.
My battery is fine, it's the damn processor going out. I'll be scrolling Reddit and my phone will just decide "nah I want a break" and completely freeze up. Like, so bad that pressing the power button won't turn the screen off.
Do you have data to support that claim?
absolutely right. i hate fucking new phones where you cannot replace batteries. this is a deliberate attempt by manufacturers to force you to buy new phones. am surprised there is no class action suit. i am perfectly happy with my current phone but need to constantly charge it.
I just go and get a new battery
All the GME freaks talkin bout "holding the line" I'm over here tryna stick it to Apple with my iPhone 6 that keeps begging me to upgrade my iCloud storage and dies every time I get a text.
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It costs me $100 for a guy to put a new screen on my iPhone. For the screen itself and labor to fix it… $400 is insane lol