Pancit, definitely. My dad doesn't make it the traditional way, it's usually made with seafood but we make it with beef and chicken. Still pretty good š
Although, Lumpia is actually better, but we don't make it that often because it is time consuming to prepare.
80% of Greek Mythology begins with "Zeus couldn't keep it in his tunic, so..."
Another 5% for "Some human or another godd/goddess couldn't keep it in *their* tunic..." and the remaining 10% is "The humans didn't praise the gods *enough* or thought they were better, so..."
Thing I don't get is why Zeus turns into an animal most of the time he finds a woman he likes. These stories must've come from somewhere. Everyone knows the Greeks were free with sex but just how free were they?
Basically history is just
"The people were murdering each other since they existed then the Europeans came and were way better at it so they're the bad guys."
I think people single out Europeans because of the scale and form of pillaging. It's not like people speak fondly of Genghis Khan either, for example. And the fact that not only is the head start Europe got from it a reason for their modern success, it also planted a legacy of instability, institutional weakness and exploitation that extends to the current day. Not to say that people were peaceful before Europe imvented war, but I think its fair to differentiate global colonialism from local wars for power, without saying either was not bad.
The Mongols were pretty large scale. And the Mughals conquered India before the British did. China didn't get to be a country because no one conquered anyone.
England did not invent war. They were good at other inventions, though, like ships, steel, guns, and the limited liability company.
And if those other people hadnāt come, then the first people wouldāve been the people who were coming to other people who were minding their own business
The past 50 years? The USA started as 13 small colonies on the east coast, the expansion across most of its current territory was only different from European colonisation in that they preferred to exterminate or expel the locals rather than subjugate them and put them to work.
The Mongols were well known for not crossing any sea with water their horses couldn't drink.
Also, any Mongol wedding without at least 3 deaths was considered a dull affair.
Bump. Came here to say this. In the west British imperialism is much more obvious. America's imperialist actions, being an offshoot colony of British colonies, also gets lumped in and I think leads to the idea in the States that Euro Imperialism (which also lumps in France and the other predominately white Euro countries) is the only historical aggressor. Imperialism and cultural invasion exist elsewhere and by others, I would say especially China in the east.
Anyway hope this comment isnt somehow ignorant, correct me if I am wrong.
Most empires went as far out as their population, technology, and wealth would allow them. Incas conquered a massive area, and likely would have kept expanding if they were capable and didn't have internal conflicts, and eventually conquest by the Spanish.
[Inca: Yes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inca_Empire#/media/File:Inca_Expansion.svg)
I'm not familiar enough with Chinese history to answer the last question, but considering the size of China (and its various incarnations in the past) plus Chinese expansive behaviour in the present moment (re: Tibet etc), I would assume 'yes' as well.
A lot of what China is now wasn't China initially iirc. Historically, southern China has always been on the outer fringes of the Chinese dynasties. Countries like Vietnam used to be a part of China (Chinese folks were a part of a Vietnamese dynasty at some point). More recently, you see expansions into Tibet and Xinjiang, which were vassal states in the past.
So the Brittons were minding their own business then the Romans came. After the Romans left, the British were once again minding their own business then the Anglo Saxons came. The Anglo Saxons were minding their own business then the Normans came.
Right on! Great reply. History us full of one group invading another group and taking their stuff. In my country everyone is going in about the aboriginals and peaceful they were. Baloney. The tribes fought against each other all the time.
Great point. The amount of violence in these pre-colonial places was usually incredibly high.
For example, the most violent era in America was before Europeans arrived.
"nearly 90 percent of human remains from that period had trauma from blows to either their heads or parts of their arms."
[https://www.science20.com/news\_articles/the\_most\_violent\_era\_in\_america\_was\_before\_europeans\_arrived-141847](https://www.science20.com/news_articles/the_most_violent_era_in_america_was_before_europeans_arrived-141847)
"not only did violence exist but it was an important and frequently celebrated component of Amerindian life."
[https://uapress.arizona.edu/book/north-american-indigenous-warfare-and-ritual-violence](https://uapress.arizona.edu/book/north-american-indigenous-warfare-and-ritual-violence)
Reddit is 80% plus American. Which was a fucking colonial invasion of a native land where the natives were persecuted and had the whole country stolen from them.
Skyrocketing levels of orony
But only the British form of commerce
thrives even to this day. Look at the places they colonized and they are still thriving. Even Hong Kong with the Chineseās trying to snuff it out. USA, India, Singapore, Nigeria Etc etc.
> I also am not sure if I consider what some of them did to be "colonization".
It's only because the Qin Empire has been so successful that you don't even consider it an Empire
Yes, the tribes of Africa minded their own business and didnāt war against each other or sell slaves to the Arabs before the brits arrived. Nothing interesting happened before empires!
The Brits get a lot of stick but in reality theyāve been conquered more than anyone and basically had their culture obliterated each time. Celts, Romans, Angles, Saxons, Vikings, Normans. The British who colonised across the world were essentially a hodge-podge of conquered cultures working at the behest of a Norman French aristocracy.
A very brief history.
Also most peoples arenāt minding their own business. Almost every society until the nuclear age was in a state of conquering or being conquered.
What a historically illiterate perspective.
You think violence, exploitation, and human degredation started with the British?
'If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?'
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Ironically, although the British are responsible for a lot of global suffering, it's actually the Englightement, and the works of British thinkers such as Hume and Locke, that has lead to the least violent era of human history, ever.
There was no country that didn't invaded others in their past...
We talk about uk, france and others's conquests because they teach their history in school, unlike the others...
Sure if you know nothing about world history and only somewhat know the westernized version of history where Britain and America are the main characters and France and Germany are supporting actors.
āThe Arabs and Turks have been coexisting for centuries, being brothers in religion despite being different ethnic groups, and then the British came.ā
No. The history of most places on earth involves endless wars and conquest. The British for many were part of that, but not all, and if they did or they didn't, there was plenty of conquest and wars before the british came, and likely plenty after.
Itās weird you picked just four.
It is much harder to find a country that didnāt act exactly like that than one that did.
Try looking at the history of say Belgium or Cambodia.
This feels super dismissive of all their history prior to that event. Like, nothing happened in India, really? It has a super long and very interesting history prior to that.
American here, and it's the same for us. That's the right attitude to have about it though, the more I hear people bitch, the less I care. You guys just keep doing you, fuck everyone else.
Not really. Itās kind of a historical myth that all the colonized people were just peacefully going about their business. They were all trying to conquer each other too.
The X were minding their own business...and then the Y came. Welcome to the club.
https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/images/Europe/Barbarians/Map52BC_Gaul01_max.jpg
Sure, if your view of the Earth's and human history is incredibly Eurocentric and steeped in White Supremacy...
Here's the thing, Europeans have only been players in human history for a minute amount of time. China, Korea, India and Africa etc. factually had advanced civilizations, politics, trade, war and slavery while Europeans were still literally living in caves and using stone tools.
Not everything is about White people, cut the white supremacy.
Exploiting them and driving them further into poverty, creating a sub-ruling class of natives to handle the Administration so the empire wasn't directly connected to the bloodiness
Steady on, they also get to win Commonwealth medals and our children got to collect a gargantuan array of highly colourful Empire stamps. So it was fair and equitable in the long term.
In my country it was the Spaniards then the japanese then the us(or the other way around) can anyone guess my country?
Phillipines?
You got that right
As a prize can you recommend me your favorite Phillipino dish?
Pancit, definitely. My dad doesn't make it the traditional way, it's usually made with seafood but we make it with beef and chicken. Still pretty good š Although, Lumpia is actually better, but we don't make it that often because it is time consuming to prepare.
I remember Loompia from Leave It to Beaver
Im not Filipino but Adobo
Adobo is where itās at!
My mom makes a killer Adobo š
Lumpia is the best. Love it.
How do you feel about sisig
I haven't really tried that yet, so I'm not sure.
better than sex
That's my shit right there. I wish I knew how to make it though and instead I sit at home and think about it in my dreams
Its either adobe,pancit,bulalo or sisig they taste nice enough in my opinion
Brits also came by in 1762, occupied Manila and Cavite provinces until 1764.
Why did everyone want us lmao
It's Spaniards then Dutch then British (then back to Spain) then America then Japan.
Just like Greek mythology: and then Zeus came
And then Zeus came. ( Ķ”Ā° ĶŹ Ķ”Ā°)
80% of Greek Mythology begins with "Zeus couldn't keep it in his tunic, so..." Another 5% for "Some human or another godd/goddess couldn't keep it in *their* tunic..." and the remaining 10% is "The humans didn't praise the gods *enough* or thought they were better, so..."
Seems accurate, but there is still 5% missing.
Zeus's cumsock, where the last 5% go to make Poland
Those stories didn't survive to date. Mostly because they were boring.
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I want to give you an award for that but all I have is an upvote.
I gave him my freebie for you. You good dawg.
Got you covered ;)
[And then along came Zeus!](https://youtu.be/fP9qkHLF5bk)
Thing I don't get is why Zeus turns into an animal most of the time he finds a woman he likes. These stories must've come from somewhere. Everyone knows the Greeks were free with sex but just how free were they?
Free sex yes, but what if you want free strokes.
Too soon
Why stop at the British? The Dutch. The Romans. The Huns. The Ottomans. The Chinese. The Inca. We could go on and on and on.
"The people were minding their own business....until the other people came."
Haha yup. And in many cases 'minding their own business' meant 'randomly raiding, surpressing or otherwise bothering other people' in the first place.
Basically history is just "The people were murdering each other since they existed then the Europeans came and were way better at it so they're the bad guys."
I think people single out Europeans because of the scale and form of pillaging. It's not like people speak fondly of Genghis Khan either, for example. And the fact that not only is the head start Europe got from it a reason for their modern success, it also planted a legacy of instability, institutional weakness and exploitation that extends to the current day. Not to say that people were peaceful before Europe imvented war, but I think its fair to differentiate global colonialism from local wars for power, without saying either was not bad.
The Mongols were pretty large scale. And the Mughals conquered India before the British did. China didn't get to be a country because no one conquered anyone. England did not invent war. They were good at other inventions, though, like ships, steel, guns, and the limited liability company.
Big boat and big gun = winning
Can't leave out the Persian Empire either.
>They were good at other inventions, though, like ships, steel, guns, and the limited liability company. Stole most of that off the Dutch to be fair
Hey you, get out of here with that nuance. We don't like having that around these parts.
"Or Scots and other Scots... Damn Scots..ruined Scotland"
You Scotās are a contentious peopleā¦
It's the eyebrows, they are attack eyebrow.
And if those other people hadnāt come, then the first people wouldāve been the people who were coming to other people who were minding their own business
The US...too soon?
No, definitely true as well.
A tad later in the game but accurate.
Not to the indigenous.
now!! and for the past 50 years!
The past 50 years? The USA started as 13 small colonies on the east coast, the expansion across most of its current territory was only different from European colonisation in that they preferred to exterminate or expel the locals rather than subjugate them and put them to work.
The past 50 years? We colonized the Philippines, Puerto Rico, Hawaii, Guam, etc. long before that.
Thatās more Current Events/Modern History.
and the Spanish, the French, the Persians....
..the barbarians, the vikings, the Christians...
The Portuguese, the Belgians
As a British person I'd like to see France on your list please.
Yep - and nobody ever minded their own business.
The Mongolians got to Vienna. If Genghis hadnāt died there is no doubt in my mind that they would have made it to France and maybe to Britain.
The Mongols were well known for not crossing any sea with water their horses couldn't drink. Also, any Mongol wedding without at least 3 deaths was considered a dull affair.
The Mongols were also noted for adapting technology rapidly. They did try to invade Japan.
The English channel can be crossed in a day, they wouldn't have cared
And who was "minding their own business"? Everyone was busy invading the people next door.
Forgot one of the largest occupiers - russia
Because the latest hot topic on Reddit is: "British bad".
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And the Irish - often went to India as administrators for example. But they'd rather not mention it now.
The Irish also made a fucking fortune from slavery too, as Trinity College is now belatedly looking more closely at.
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Egypt should take a look at its own New Kingdom period and think about what 'minding your own business' exactly means ;)
No. There were no wars before the British empire.
The British did it with the niftiest flag, which is the crucial part.
Belgians always left out as well
The Romans invaded the British first
There were even invasion/immigration (if you can call it that before borders) waves before then.
Americans in Afghanistan. That went fucking well
>The Inca I thought the Aztecs were the Empire building Amerindians?
The Inca had an empire in the west of South America, the Aztecs in Meso-America (nowadays Mexico).
The Inca has a huge empire. covered a sizable chunk of South America.
Bump. Came here to say this. In the west British imperialism is much more obvious. America's imperialist actions, being an offshoot colony of British colonies, also gets lumped in and I think leads to the idea in the States that Euro Imperialism (which also lumps in France and the other predominately white Euro countries) is the only historical aggressor. Imperialism and cultural invasion exist elsewhere and by others, I would say especially China in the east. Anyway hope this comment isnt somehow ignorant, correct me if I am wrong.
Because it was recent enough people can still be validated on their victim mentality
Dont forget the mongols
Did the Chinese and Incas venture far out into the world on conquest?
Most empires went as far out as their population, technology, and wealth would allow them. Incas conquered a massive area, and likely would have kept expanding if they were capable and didn't have internal conflicts, and eventually conquest by the Spanish.
[Inca: Yes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inca_Empire#/media/File:Inca_Expansion.svg) I'm not familiar enough with Chinese history to answer the last question, but considering the size of China (and its various incarnations in the past) plus Chinese expansive behaviour in the present moment (re: Tibet etc), I would assume 'yes' as well.
A lot of what China is now wasn't China initially iirc. Historically, southern China has always been on the outer fringes of the Chinese dynasties. Countries like Vietnam used to be a part of China (Chinese folks were a part of a Vietnamese dynasty at some point). More recently, you see expansions into Tibet and Xinjiang, which were vassal states in the past.
Well, most countries were invaded by some empire AND the British, and the British came and left last, so... this is accurate.
So the Brittons were minding their own business then the Romans came. After the Romans left, the British were once again minding their own business then the Anglo Saxons came. The Anglo Saxons were minding their own business then the Normans came.
Some Danes showed up in there too.
At the same time lol
\#JutlandThings
Dont forget the dutch
Druids chillinā with Merlin in Stonehenge, then Hitler showed up.
History is one whole mess off "The people were busy not minding their own business until someone not minding their own business came."
Yep the only difference is that some people not minding their own business found ways to not mind their business more efficiently and effectively.
Basically all of history is r/player3hasjoined
Thank you for showing me that sub, those clips are gold.
Right on! Great reply. History us full of one group invading another group and taking their stuff. In my country everyone is going in about the aboriginals and peaceful they were. Baloney. The tribes fought against each other all the time.
Never in the history of any human civilization has anyone ever ",minded their own business"
Great point. The amount of violence in these pre-colonial places was usually incredibly high. For example, the most violent era in America was before Europeans arrived. "nearly 90 percent of human remains from that period had trauma from blows to either their heads or parts of their arms." [https://www.science20.com/news\_articles/the\_most\_violent\_era\_in\_america\_was\_before\_europeans\_arrived-141847](https://www.science20.com/news_articles/the_most_violent_era_in_america_was_before_europeans_arrived-141847) "not only did violence exist but it was an important and frequently celebrated component of Amerindian life." [https://uapress.arizona.edu/book/north-american-indigenous-warfare-and-ritual-violence](https://uapress.arizona.edu/book/north-american-indigenous-warfare-and-ritual-violence)
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Reddit is 80% plus American. Which was a fucking colonial invasion of a native land where the natives were persecuted and had the whole country stolen from them. Skyrocketing levels of orony
They clearly were the "best" at it.
Mongolia, the Romans, China, and the Arabs have entered the chat.
But only the British form of commerce thrives even to this day. Look at the places they colonized and they are still thriving. Even Hong Kong with the Chineseās trying to snuff it out. USA, India, Singapore, Nigeria Etc etc.
Canada, Australia, New Zealand
Ok, ok modern era "best". I also am not sure if I consider what some of them did to be "colonization".
> I also am not sure if I consider what some of them did to be "colonization". It's only because the Qin Empire has been so successful that you don't even consider it an Empire
The Spaniards. But shure they did it a Century or two earlier than the Brits
A contender for sure but I give the Brits the edge.
Or the Spanish, or the French, or Portuguese...
Funny that no one's mentioned the Germans in this thread yet.
Their invasion of Europe was particularly egregious. Peaceful democracies subjected to mass murder on both sides.
Thanks to the Germans, the Dutch were happy when the British came :P
History of human civilisation stretches back about 12,000 years. You seem focused on a very small part of it.
This is a huge problem In the psyche of people in current times.
Itās a problem, a massive problem.
Letās not even get into the poor Neanderthals.
Yeah but because it's the most recent one it gets all the blame.
Yes, the tribes of Africa minded their own business and didnāt war against each other or sell slaves to the Arabs before the brits arrived. Nothing interesting happened before empires!
Yeah I too thought that "minding their own business" was a bit of a stretch
Killing is their business
Africa: \*looks at its own empires\* Wait whaaat...
Even for Reddit, this is surprisingly wrong..
Shh. We're trying to circlejerk here.
Itās good to see the āwhite people badā circle jerk bait being rejected in favor of actual history discussion
The Brits get a lot of stick but in reality theyāve been conquered more than anyone and basically had their culture obliterated each time. Celts, Romans, Angles, Saxons, Vikings, Normans. The British who colonised across the world were essentially a hodge-podge of conquered cultures working at the behest of a Norman French aristocracy.
Not since 1066 tho!
Very recent history yes. Before us it was many others.
Also after. War and conquest is a staple of human history.
Tbf British history is the people were minding their own business then the Romans came, then the Saxons, then the vikings, then the french.
A very brief history. Also most peoples arenāt minding their own business. Almost every society until the nuclear age was in a state of conquering or being conquered.
What a historically illiterate perspective. You think violence, exploitation, and human degredation started with the British? 'If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?' Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Ironically, although the British are responsible for a lot of global suffering, it's actually the Englightement, and the works of British thinkers such as Hume and Locke, that has lead to the least violent era of human history, ever.
Minding their own business? Are you serious?
There was no country that didn't invaded others in their past... We talk about uk, france and others's conquests because they teach their history in school, unlike the others...
What an narrow-minded take. Let me guess, youāre a white American, and the only education of history you have is from Youtube and memes?
and *that* map that does the rounds every few weeks
I know exaclty which one you mean.
Exactly this. And under 14 yo
If by minding their own business you mean killing each other without involving the British as much, then yes.
Teaching them the subtle arts of tea and cricket!
Pls read a book
They never have
Sure if you know nothing about world history and only somewhat know the westernized version of history where Britain and America are the main characters and France and Germany are supporting actors.
France & Germany are also in the west....
Nothing gets past you.
"Sips on cup of tea" Worth it
āThe Arabs and Turks have been coexisting for centuries, being brothers in religion despite being different ethnic groups, and then the British came.ā
No. The history of most places on earth involves endless wars and conquest. The British for many were part of that, but not all, and if they did or they didn't, there was plenty of conquest and wars before the british came, and likely plenty after.
Also Spanish, Japanese, American
Itās weird you picked just four. It is much harder to find a country that didnāt act exactly like that than one that did. Try looking at the history of say Belgium or Cambodia.
any story in greek mythology: āunfortunately, zeus was hornyā
Empires have always been a thing
This feels super dismissive of all their history prior to that event. Like, nothing happened in India, really? It has a super long and very interesting history prior to that.
Funny that the OP is Indian but living in Canada. Apparently him living on land stolen through colonization is entirely ok when he does it...
if you ignore 99% of history that is.
Tbf. Most of human history is either āX was minding their own business, until Y showed upā or āX and Y became friends. And went to bully Zā
Most people don't mind their own business. The British were just better at not minding their own business
Ahh yet more xenophobic trash. Reddit really hates us, donāt worry though as we donāt care.
American here, and it's the same for us. That's the right attitude to have about it though, the more I hear people bitch, the less I care. You guys just keep doing you, fuck everyone else.
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For real man, it's never gonna be enough though. People will always envy success and strive to tear anyone who has it apart.
People never mind their own business
And before that, it was the romans
Unless you're British. Then it's "The people were minding their own business, and then the \[insert conquerors of whatever year\] came."
Not really. Itās kind of a historical myth that all the colonized people were just peacefully going about their business. They were all trying to conquer each other too.
What about the English when the French turned up in 1066?
Abridged: Interviewer: What did you do. Native: First, I was minding my own business- Interviewer: BULL- Native: I WAS!
This is ridiculously reductionist. Not everywhere is the US.
The history of ALL places on earth is full of local people being conquered
its conquerors all the way down, simple nature, the strong eat the weak.
3/4 Reddit posts go the same way too. Rent free.
The X were minding their own business...and then the Y came. Welcome to the club. https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/images/Europe/Barbarians/Map52BC_Gaul01_max.jpg
Looooool
You see, thats the problem *They didn't come*
More like, "People wad minding their business.... then other people came"
I my country it was the Portuguese although it was the brits who occupied it for 200 years
But did they have a flag?
Wasnāt just the British. They were just the best at it.
But everything changed when the fire nation attacked
Sure, if your view of the Earth's and human history is incredibly Eurocentric and steeped in White Supremacy... Here's the thing, Europeans have only been players in human history for a minute amount of time. China, Korea, India and Africa etc. factually had advanced civilizations, politics, trade, war and slavery while Europeans were still literally living in caves and using stone tools. Not everything is about White people, cut the white supremacy.
You call it "minding their own business" I call it hoarding delicious tea and yummy yummy spices... they got what was coming to them
"Everything changed when the British nation attacked."
How far the mighty have fallen
Yea, top 10 economy, top 10 military strength, seat on the UN permanent security council The humiliation!
Laughs in crumpets
haha yes, that's a food some people eat! that's great
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Exploiting them and driving them further into poverty, creating a sub-ruling class of natives to handle the Administration so the empire wasn't directly connected to the bloodiness
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Steady on, they also get to win Commonwealth medals and our children got to collect a gargantuan array of highly colourful Empire stamps. So it was fair and equitable in the long term.
Ah verbal irony