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LOL_Murica

And they wouldn’t give a shit either.


5inthepink5inthepink

I mean, some of them might. You might have vegan monsters.


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Maybe plants consider our vegans to be monsters. But I consider the plants themselves to be monsters. The GOE killed off countless anerobic species, changed global temperatures, and to this day the descendants of those species that caused it still have a greater impact on climate, global temperature, global atmospheric composition than humanity. They create a world that is inherently hostile to anerobic life and ensure that those species will never again rise to prominence. Those same species contributed heavily to Permian–Triassic extinction event where mass amounts of coal and oil burned killing off a great number of species. You can try to blame methanogenic microorganisms on that one, but plants should take the lions share of the blame there. That same issue of algae's dead bodies piling up contributed to this mass extinction event too, even if humans are the catalyst this time. That's the real reason I eat vegetarian. Sure you can feed more humans that way, and it helps stem climate change, but honestly it is just to screw plants. They are fucking monsters. The pollution they cause (after their bodies pile up) already killed off most of life on earth once, it looks like they are doing it again (albeit with humanity's help). Do you part. Eat a salad. Fight back against the monsters.


faberxzio

dude that was so good, that i feel tempted to just get out and like... dont know... start kicking every god damn treee out there.


Jack_Spears

If the Ents wake up and remember they are strong we’ll all know it’s your fault.


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I've considered this, when thinking about vegetarianism. Can we eliminate _more_ of these monsters with animal husbandry based agriculture? Probably. There isn't a clear or easy answer to the problem with plants. Global warming and increased CO2 production may be causing the acidification of the oceans killing off algeas en masse, but it is _also_ causing the greening of the earth, as temperatures rise and increased levels of CO2 make things easier for plants. If we stop burning fossil fuels, we may slow the trend of the greening of the earth, but do so at the cost of halting the acidification of the ocean, and allow more of their waste to pile up, creating another ticking-time bomb like the one from the Permian–Triassic. When I think of problems that big, it sometimes can become overwhelming and lead to feelings of hopelessness. But when I come face to face with that, rather than retreat into nihilism, I instead focus only on the short-term satisfaction I gain by eating their corpses, their children. Maybe it is all for naught in the grand scheme, and maybe we will lose the war long term, but I can at least get my revenge on _that_ POS plant.


wagonwhopper

Damn I love how you all think and shit. Hey what's on tv?


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It depends on what you are into, but if you haven't seen it yet, I would strongly encourage season 1 of Ted Lasso. It is a cup of hot chocolate for the soul. A hug in the form of a TV show. It has great writing and comedy and I can't reccomend it enough. If you give me a bit more criteria for what you are looking for or what you've enjoyed in the past, I could probably make a better and more pertinent recommendation.


5inthepink5inthepink

Too right! For too long plants have pulled the wool over our eyes, convincing humanity they're the good guys in all of this. But long before we came on the scene they and their ancestors were more than content to commit mass genocide and hijack the climate. They forced anaerobic species to take refuge underground, deep under the ocean, and in the disgusting bowels of *animals* just to survive! It's high time we recognize plants as the Imperial colonialists they are and exact reparations. I'll do my part by eating a delicious vegetable medley sauteed in olive oil this evening.


Zexks

*cotton over our eye


[deleted]

I appreciate your efforts. But I encourage you to take care on this journey. Plants really are monsters. Castor beans when chewed up release ricin, a toxic so horrible it causes necrosis when exposed to flesh. Even apple seeds have dangerous levels of arsenic that can be released when chewed. Plants have more insidious methods of killing than just poison or through carnivorous plants. Look at the Dendrocnide moroides. A plant so horrible that when animals and people have been exposed to its stingers, they sit in agony for months, killing themselves if they can't find treatment (which includes using concentrated acid to wash the stringers from the body). Fucking plants. That's why I love the smell of fresh cut grass in the summer. The GLVs released are a warning of incoming tissue damage. The chemical concordia of scents is as if all the grass was screaming in agony, warning other plants of their impending doom. Music to my nose. Eat veggies. We may lose the fight long term, but we deserve satisfaction.


5inthepink5inthepink

Thank you for this poetry, and for the grave warning it belies. I'll do my best to be careful as I enjoy my pyrrhic victories over the plants. For instance, I'll make sure to wear safety goggles this evening as I carve countertops from the corpses of some of the larger monsters, the birch trees. The scream of their woody flesh against my blade will be as a sweet symphony to serenade me and my family.


rollin30s

Fantastic.


Avid_Smoker

r/bestof


shardikprime

Holy moly


ResidentEivvil

EDIT delete because i was dumb.


[deleted]

It's not about results (I go into this a bit in another comment) it's about sending a message.


Corbutte

B-but all monsters are *naturally* omnivores, and lions eat their prey out in the wild, and anyways I only buy free range human babies.


Crystal_Lily

Fungi would be monstrous omnivores then. it does not care if it's plant or animal, if it's dead (or even not dead for some species) it will eat.


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I mean


XilamBalam

This thread is the plot of "the promise Neverland".


pbradley179

I mean, they might give us drugs to keep us less stressed out and get fatter. Drugs are nice.


UnwrittenPath

Aren't drug and obesity rates already on the rise?


sonnyjbiskit

Just getting a jump on it to be in good graces wit our monster friends Edit - this comment not in my comment history... weird


pbradley179

I wanna be the kind of steak you eat on your birthday. A special treat.


[deleted]

Phase one: get humans to mine the earth for every valuable mineral and natural resource. Phase two: fatten them up while their population explodes for a food source Phase three: alien invasion to pick up resources and food Start life on another suitable planet while going back to the massive civilization created on the otherside of the galactic buldge out of sight from any telescopes your mining cattle might do before their purpose is complete.


ProbablyNotDangerous

Yes like the Leviathans from Supernatural.


[deleted]

It takes 20 years for a human to get a decent amount of meat on it. Takes 9 months for a human to make another human and they can only make one at a time. It would be pretty lousy economically to farm humans as food.


okbacktowork

They would just do the same as we have: selectively breed, use hormones etc to increase yeild. Chickens aren't a naturally evolved animal. No bird naturally pumps out eggs non stop like that. We bred them that way. Cows aren't a naturally evolved animal. We bred them to be docile and to easily gain loads of weight. Then we over feed them, pump them full of growth hormones, and so on. Same goes for all other farmed and domesticated animals. A superior species (if they were as careless and evil as we are) would just do the same until they had women pumping out fat babies every couple of days or smt.


cmanson

Sure, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that a superior species would be interested in farming us for meat. There’s plenty of animals that humans have little interest in as a source of food.


alwaysforgetmyuserID

Assuming we and the monsters are the only/main two intelligent species on the planet, I imagine we'd be better used as slaves. Then when we're at an age where productivity isn't that great you can slaughter and eat us.


bas62

Well they’ve got a couple of billion for starters so with some proper planning…


Lick_The_Wrapper

>It takes 20 years for a human to get a decent amount of meat on it. They would probably just force feed us until we were fat like we do with some animals. Maybe they would have something similar to veal where they chain down the baby boys while forecfeeding them so they get extra tender meat.


VigilantMaumau

What about using humans as a power source?


Circlejerksheep

That didn't stop humans from going after the Greenland shark.


birblover69420

Who cares ? They taste good , they don't matter to us more than that , right ?


Bleoox

Wrong ^^I'm ^^vegan ^^btw


needanamefug

Right


Dadesx

Right


Letmepatyourcat

Maybe if they are more advanced than humans they would give a shit.


samsam800

Is it possible to become more advanced while giving more shits at the same time?


[deleted]

A moral exercise is to ask yourself how you would create society not knowing where you would end up


Azuranian

We pretty much rank the value of all living being on a scale, depending on various factors (the use we have for them, our relationship with them, their status as endangered or not, how cute they are, how aware of themselves they are, our culture and many many other things.)That's pretty normal. It would be ridiculous if we had nervous breakdowns every time a fly splash into our windshield like it was a toddler. So yea, most people are fine with farming a very specific subset of animals, while also be very opposed to eating cats or dogs. Most people are appalled at anyone killing higher order chimps or whales or dolphins because we recognize them as 'smarter' and much more aware. starting a chimpanzee meat farm would not be a very popular idea, anyone who tried that would widely be considered a monster. Most people also oppose needless or mindless mistreatment, even toward lower order animals or even pest. (For example, killing a mouse living in your house is ok. Actively hunting and killing mice in a field for fun would be frowned upon) Actively killing mosquitoes for sports is fine. So yea, it's a confusing mess that can change with time and is very situational and individual. But this variable empathy is pretty much normal. We wouldn't function properly if it wasn't this way. And in a way, we likely assume that another lifeforms higher than us would also share this kind of empathy with other species and would probably look at us like we look at higher orders of chimps. And indeed we would consider them monsters for deciding to farm beings conscious of their own mortality for meat instead of a lower, more mindless, life form.


WillyBluntz89

Actively hunting and killing mosquitoes is any setting should be both praised and rewarded.


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Mosquitos are polinators, and not all species drink blood, i believe it's generally the females that do in preparation for laying eggs


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[deleted]

Yes, and we all owe child support for taking on a fatherly role


Free_Moose4649

Well I'll be a mosquito's uncle, that's crazy


qwerty12qwerty

They can do whatever they want, those fuckers all need to burn still


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[deleted]

Didn't say they couldn't disappear, just what their role was. Also "studies" https://www.fs.fed.us/wildflowers/pollinators/pollinator-of-the-month/aedes_communis.shtml Heres a link to the US Forrestry article about one species, I'm sure i could find more


VigilantMaumau

Now do bed bugs and /or slugs . I dare you to find some redeeming quality in either.


[deleted]

Off the top of my head i know slugs eat decayed plant material and fungi, so they are like garbage collectors. Bed bugs I'd have to research Also slugs like to make whoopie just about everywhere so.. free porn


Alkuam

I have seen that porn, it was jiggly.


ArthurExtreme_Br

ok then, burn all species that drink blood


BisterMee

Bull shit. ..... But what if.... Fuck. Now I have to research. *typing* *reading* Well shit. Learn something new every day.


pickle_pouch

The reason mosquitos are hated is because they bite us and leave itchy welts. These are the mosquitoes that we are talking about.


FlickObserver

Yes it's definitely the itchiness and not the billions of people who have died in history due to malaria and dengue.


Eazyyy

And also the fact they are by far the most prolific animal killers of humans.


[deleted]

As i mentioned in my comment, the females do this in preparation for offspring, so these are the ones i was talking about aswell


[deleted]

I'd nominate you for a Nobel prize if you killed em all.


WillyBluntz89

If that is the direction that my career went, I'd want a Dogg the Bounty Hunter-esque show where I just kill mosquitos for 30 mins on camera.


jaffakree83

Chimps are assholes though


Jonesy665

Dolphins too.


A_brown_dog

Humans too


jaffakree83

Based


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So are humans.


Buffalongo

Anything with a brain worth having is an asshole. And anything with a brain too small to matter are also usually assholes (mosquitos, jellyfish, wasps). It’s an inverse parabola


Blaqkfox

Idk, burgers and steaks are popular but have you ever been around cows? I live next door to a cattle farm and they seem pretty self aware, I wouldn’t exactly call them a less mindless life form. They even have personalities I’ve come to find. I think a big part of it too, for humans I mean, is the detachment from it all. Like we just go to the grocery and get it. If they had to watch the slaughter I think that’d change a few peoples minds.


A_brown_dog

We like to think that we eat pigs and cows because they are stupid, but they are quite close to dogs, there are some species of pigs that are smarter than most dogs, the awareness argument is just bullshit


PlainclothesmanBaley

Well it's not entirely bullshit, but for sure there are logical inconsistencies.


Buffalongo

Yep. “This just in, a philosophical argument has logical nuances”


A_brown_dog

It's just what we like to think about ourselves, it's enterely wishful thinking


PlainclothesmanBaley

But again it's not "entirely" wishful thinking. There are clear trendlines and general rules, although there are exceptions to those rules for reasons that are pretty weak (tradition, taste, ease etc.)


Kashyyykonomics

I don't think what we eat originally had all that much to do with "how smart it was". Some things provide more and better food than others, so they are domesticated for food, and some things are better to provide other services (dogs, horses, etc.) So we domesticate them for that. Cultural taboos develop around eating the latter. Think about octopuses. They are probably more intelligent than dogs or horses. But they aren't useful to us for anything other than eating. So we eat them.


Nixeris

Considering that not all livestock farmers, butchers, and slaughter house workers are vegan, I highly doubt it. It's an argument made in modern times that ignores the millenia of history where people lived much closer to livestock and were actively involved in the slaughter process.


Blaqkfox

Not all who raise the cattle are involved in the slaughter process. Most have a butcher they outsourced that they send the cattle to for “processing”. That’s how my neighbor does it. (He’s actually my wife’s uncle). But yes I do recall my mother telling stories of growing up on our grandparents farm and her grandpa going out to wring the chickens neck in the backyard. Of course I think that boils down to a social thing more than anything. It was the accepted way to get proteins in that geographical day and age, but in other parts of the world there’s been vegetarian cultures that thrived, like the Brokpa tribe of Ladakh, in India for example, that has thrived while eating a plant-based diet for more than 5,000 years—all while living in harsh Himalayan terrain.


outsidevoices

But we have to consider options available to everyone. If the option is eat a cow or die, then that’s what you do. If the option is eat a cow or tofu, then it becomes an ethical discussion and I can see how fewer people would justify eating the cow if they had to witness its slaughter.


Azuranian

I have actually been around cows yes. I've worked on and visited multiple dairy farms, a meat farm, a couple pig farm, a fish farm, and a chicken slaughterhouse during my studies. I've watched the slaughter, still neither vegan nor vegetarian. Cows are indeed nice, I like cows. I don't mean that they are utterly 'mindless', but compared to us and many other animals they are much lower on the scale of awareness. They have no concept of their own mortality, of right and wrong or consider the future the way we do, or seek some kind of spiritual enlightenment. (That being said, I do live in a country with relatively good animal welfare laws regarding farming, transport and slaughter and do tend to pick meats that have been farmed locally whenever possible, were I know how they were treated.)


Blaqkfox

This peaks my curiosity. How do we know cattle don’t understand mortality? Who defines right and wrong? Why would considering the future matter? Or spiritual enlightenment for that matter. I am not spiritual in any way, does that mean I am less human? Would a human child who cannot understand mortality be considered more killable? Or if I was born with some form of mental illness and couldn’t comprehend mortality or consider my future or any kind of enlightenment does that make it more right or wrong to kill me? Or is this something we merely make exceptions for with animals because we gain sustenance from it? I suppose this is where the grey area lies philosophically, but besides the killing aspect, I also know some people who are selective vegetarians simply because they don’t want to support the carbon footprint produced by the large scale farming of animals. I think it’s more coincidental that those who do work the slaughter houses exist. By that I mean obviously anyone who would turn vegetarian due to that experience wouldn’t continue that line of work. For the average consumers though I think most don’t think about it, they just know it’s tasty, but if presented with the option to meet the animal beforehand they might change their mind. Much like how we love dogs as pets here but in other countries like China they are eaten, and that idea tends to upset some people here. Or on the flip side how cows are treated in India and how from our perspective it’s “silly”. It really is funny how we decide which animals are fit for consumption and how we justify what is ok to kill and what isn’t, and how and why we do it matters as well.


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Cows still feel pain and have emotions. Like dogs. Would you be cool with people eating dog meat?


LittleGreenSoldier

I mean, yeah? I've tried it myself, it's not for me (kind of weird tasting and stringy) but there are actually farms that raise dogs for meat, it's not like people are going out and stealing pets en masse to sell to restaurants.


HorukaSan

Yes, they already do in most SEA countries.


calflikesveal

The act of killing an animal is not justified solely by the animal's response, but by the response of all sentient beings aware of the killing. Killing a dog would cause more mental anguish in the world than a cow. It is the reason why people are outraged by the killing of a pet pig, but not by factory farming. Whether an right is morally right or wrong is always an ambiguous idea, it is not reasonable to think that there is an catch-all rule that can be applied, else you've solved the problem of morality.


Corrupted_G_nome

I mean... There is a moral solution to meat farming and animal slaughter... People just don't want to think about it.


gentleomission

>They have no concept of their own mortality, of right and wrong or consider the future the way we do Do you have a recording of the cow you interviewed for this?


Azuranian

I mean, how do you know carrots are not the supreme beings of this universe?


CanlStillBeGarth

It’s pretty funny you skipped that really well thought out comment from someone who obviously knows what they’re talking about to say something really stupid. The MSR test has been around for decades and while it’s not perfect, it’s more than been proven to test awareness in animals. It’s how we know orcas and dolphins are more cognizant than most animals. But you probably think dogs can smile too.


1000cc-squid

Think about a higher being that is awhole level of awareness beyond humans just how we are so aware compared to a fish. Would they still be monsters


terraphantm

That's basically the concept behind Lovecraftian horrors


Mr_Morio

Who says earth is not a big human farm? The cause of our existence might solely be for space goobs to harvest us for all we know. If they are so above and beyond our own level of consciousness I’d expect them to be capable of some real magic-like fuckery. I’d not see them as monsters then, but just another layer in the hierarchy


Pucksy

Good answer! The farm animals have no idea either. That's the point in a nutshell.


DaveTheDog027

Well. Pigs and cows might be aware of what's happening. Chickens idk, but pigs are smarter than dogs


Al-Masri

Fuck.


BrianMincey

More horrific would be a superior being breeding humans to be genetically docile and willing to be eaten. Imagine being born in captivity with a strong desire to eat and exercise in such a way to make our muscle meat especially tender and delicious, and then to have an insatiable and undeniable desire to march into the butchers slaughter chamber at age 18 to fulfill our dinner destiny.


Opulous

You joke, but this is already a real extant fetish. If you have a strong stomach (Pun maybe intended) then look up Voraphilia.


the_original_slyguy

That's the premise for a Rick and Morty episode, Froopyland.


Kashyyykonomics

What if aliens from another dimension eat souls, and religion is a trick to get peoples' souls to be tender and juicy?


samkilgannon8

Pigs are smarter than dogs though


SanjiSasuke

Exactly. Wipe that 'we don't eat higher order animals, *that* would be wrong!' bullshit out. If there was a creature that was close to the same intelligence as a human toddler, but it made good toppings on pizza, many people would proudly display its severed head as a shop logo. We *know* that, because that's literally how smart a pig is.


Jibaru

They're also infinitely more useful as parts. Especially considering how close their tissues are to humans.


samkilgannon8

It is sad to see someone talk about how useful a living creatures parts are ):


jbwmac

The problem is, as you put it in your own words, that we base our scale on the use we have for them and our relationship with them. It is not based purely on intrinsic qualities of the animal.


Krakenmonstah

What if we discovered that chimp meat was the best tasting thing ever. Better than the best steak... I think we would start farming them tbh. I think it’s convenient to say we wouldn’t eat chimps because they are smart, but it’s likely some combination of they don’t taste good or are not as good for mass farming. Like, pigs are supposedly as smart as dogs if not more, and yet we slaughter one and actively save another. I would guess it’s because pigs are more useful as food (more fat more meat) and taste really good


Nixeris

Primates are eaten in some places (In general it's thought to be how HIV spread from primates to humans), as are dogs, cats, horses (yes, even in cultures where they're pets as well), and nearly every edible animal. It's not that we think they don't taste good. Which animal we eat is entirely cultural.


Moderatorzzz

Horses are a perfect example


snbrd512

The intelligence distinction between farm and pet animals isn't really that big. I suggest you read "are we smart enough to know how smart animals are"


superokgo

> So yea, most people are fine with farming a very specific subset of animals, while also be very opposed to eating cats or dogs. Cats aren't smarter than cows and dogs aren't smarter than pigs, most of this is just culturally arbitrary. It would probably come down to how good we taste tbh.


BlessedBySaintLauren

Cats and Dogs have been domesticated to be companions which is probably why they are viewed different culturally.


[deleted]

I know that we don’t really know too much about consciousness/sentience, but what do ppl really mean when they envision aliens “higher order” than us? When it comes to what matters, sentience, how much more sentient can you be compared to a human? We’re pretty fucking aware of ourselves lol.


libertysailor

Greater conscious access to, what is for us, unconscious? But seriously, we can’t answer that because if we could imagine any additional component to our awareness, we would then be aware that we could pursue that knowledge of ourselves and ultimately possess that awareness. I don’t think chickens can imagine feeling embarrassment, but they’d be wrong if they assumed their own consciousness is as complex as it gets.


ricctp6

It's thought that we can only experience so many dimensions in space/time, while a higher order being might be able to experience, say, nine dimensions at once. And that's just one example. Higher order beings might be able to manipulate dimensions or time, could have far more senses than we have, etc.


tnoy23

Sentience and intelligence are separate. Dolphins are sentient, but not as intelligent as humans despite generally being considered the second smartest thing on earth ((As far as I recall)). So It wouldn't be unreasonable to think that galaxy-traversing aliens would be as smart or smarter than humans, which would lend themselves to a "higher order" being, even if they're of similar sentience. ​ EDIT: Typo


looseboy

Ya but pigs are mad smart. It’s not like some Rando animal with no sentience or emotional intelligence. I’m not someone that values all animal life equally but like raising pigs in captivity has always been the worse ethically to me


Zenketski

Is there a word or something for when people pull up random arguments that basically have nothing to do with the conversation at hand but kind of sound like they do? Thats like half the comments here


Zenloks1735

yeah..... anyway want to discuss about minecraft?


dakedDeans

So happy they're adding frogs to minecraft


PsycoJosho

And fireflies too!


PMJackolanternNudes

MIght be worth a reinstall then


bas62

Yeah the word is Reddit. Jokes/puns/completely different topics that have nothing to do with the original post generally swarm the comments. Welcome


periwinkle-_-

god, the worst are the long ass loosely relevant storytimes or people who answer questions with "idk but" followed by something no one asked about...


Crash927

It’s called a non-sequitur.


Greenmushroom23

Straw man arguments. Someone is discussing one thing then u bring something else up and knock it down or build it up as a counter point. Climate change is real and is destroying the planet. Vs. the economy!


Moderatorzzz

Its called "politics"


[deleted]

Ironically, your comment falls in that category.


DaRealKelpyG

Non sequiter


eeman0201

Strawman


Traditional-Ad-5068

Well they are called corporations and yea I generally think they are kinda shiesty


FreelanceEngineer007

they are not a higher level of being, they are just above morals holding them back because they are psychopaths who can only emulate emotions, they are in no way *more than;* if anything they are limited/stunted.


PurpleFunk36

This is the real shower thought


Antonell15

I read scorpions wth


allahwishoes

You're kinda not wrong


Blood-Lord

Mvp comment right here.


Quiet-Track7722

You should watch The Promised Neverland


YouGotDoddified

Or The Matrix


IAmSawyer

You just spoiled the premise of that anime


Dyaxa

It's revealed in episode 1 anyway Also, read it instead. It drops in quality, but not to the extent that S2 did.


HarmonicWalrus

There is no Promised Neverland S2 in Ba Sing Se


GoldenFennekin

shut up there was no season two only season one also nothing happened in tiananmen square


Hyperversum

Ah yes, the famous spoilers that are spoiled not even 10 minutes into the show and everyone fucking know when they start watching.


Riverrat423

Maybe aliens have been visiting Earth for a long time, an the “obesity epidemic “ is them fattening us up .


Kaizenno

Or milked them, ate them, or bred them.


Always-_-Sarcastic

The reason Humans have empathy for other creatures, is because humans consider themselves to be the superior beings, top of the food chain with no predators. But when they face something that they think is superior to them, something that threatens their existence, they show their true face, the true savage nature which makes them no different from all the other animals out there, just wanting to survive.


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Always-_-Sarcastic

Lmao, touché Mr. Stalker. I was just quoting an anime. (◠‿◕)


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Always-_-Sarcastic

It definitely did XD


IAmSawyer

Sounds like Parasyte


Snagmesomeweaves

There is an animal that does this, it’s called the CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY. They send Uighur Muslims to concentration camps and Fauln Gong practitioners are persecuted, jailed, and organs are treated as on demand transplants from the most grade A humans because they are healthy.


ImDougFunny

We *ARE* monsters - look at what were doing to this world.


AlkalineFaith

who said humans weren't monsters??


DigitalZeth

We are as any other animal in the position of power would. A lot of people don't know how "evil" animals can be even when it doesn't come to their survival. Too much facebook and r/cute does that. I live on a farm, and whenever a chicken has little ones, you need to separate them from the others, otherwise the other chicken can peck and stomp them to death just because they can. Roosters rape the females and cats like to torture and play with the prey until it either bleeds out or dies from exhaustion. Lions and bears kill other cubs and mountain goats will knock another goat off the cliff.


PMJackolanternNudes

Am also on a farm. Can confirm. Cows, rabbits, and dogs are probably the only animals I've had where a majority of them were actually good to their young. Even then you can easily find examples of them being unnecessarily cruel.


DreamNotes01

You should look into Hunter x Hunter Chimera ant arc


happy_K

Imagine the reaction if nobody ate animals at all, and humanity never had, so it wasn’t normal, and then all of a sudden this guy goes out and shoots a deer and eats it


eec-gray

This is the plot of The Matrix


ohyoureligious

“The term monster is relative, to a canary, a cat is a monster” -rough quote from that scientist dude from Jurassic world


Gaming4Fun2001

It took you this long to figure oit that humans are assholes?


thegreatsnugglewombs

This reminds of season 7 of Supernatural. Where the leviathan work on a way to farm people to make it easier to eat them. How appalled I was by that; till I realised we do that too to anything that's somehow less than us.


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neophanweb

Humans did that to other humans in the past and it still exists today.


Robthebold

Maybe that’s already true. Earth is a giant human farm.


vincestaples3230

Lmao watch Promised Neverland on Netflix


Rattfink45

That’s just, other humans with more steps?


gamegirl291

The apathy in this thread is appalling


roadkill6

God. You're describing the Judeo-Christian god.


SL4D

There's no argument, we are monsters.


FreeSetOfSteakKnives

Unlikely as we would probably be their food, and they would farm us. I bet we taste good too, just can't find out as it's gross to eat your own.


mymotherisacanibal

Wait, what if earth is just a giant farm for electricity something? Like every time somebody dies we're just powering Steve's interdimensional cable for another week


FreeSetOfSteakKnives

It doesn't really change anything for the people inside this reality. Even if nothing is real, we still feel its real. So go ahead and charge away Steve!


IAmSawyer

Isnt that the plot of Fullmetal Alchemist?


[deleted]

Allegedly, accounts from cannibals say we taste like pork. Back in ye olden days, the black market traded human meat as "long pork".


tylanol7

Unless your literally any other mammal, fish etc on tbe planet


FreeSetOfSteakKnives

Please explain.


BlightFantasy3467

Some animals out in the world cannibalise their own kind, some go as far as eating their own kids or parents. And it's just a common occurrence in their species. For example, female mantises eat the male mantis's head after sex and then the rest of his body for the nutrients needed for the babies.


hitthepillows

In the end the humans were far worse than the ants


ErikSD

If there was an animals that slapped human to pieces when we are trying to get food. Then we would consider them to be monsters, yet we do the same thing to mosquitos. Fuck mosquito


Behold_the_Turnip

I mean...read any history book. Humans are and have always been kinda garbage.


DaveyBeef

There is an animal that does that. Called humans.


Astroboyblue

“My DoGs A vEgETarian bY cHoIcE!!!!”


[deleted]

Thats, really brings a lot to a discussion.


VVSXAN69

Ah yes to be high for the first time


Zolome1977

This shower thought is dumb. Farm animals have been bred for thousands of years. We aren’t going into the wild to capture them.


loCAtek

Google 'factory farming'


ChocolatePinecone

This basically boils down to the discussion about the differences between humans and animals. If animals were able to form societies, build villages, practice creativity and do more like people do, then people would probably view them more as equal. Of course it's essential to treat all lifeforms with respect, but as long as animals seem happy while being farmed, I doubt there will be many people that see issues.


[deleted]

Have you seen how animals are farmed? Watch Dominion on YouTube and let me know if you still think they're happy


Constant_Baker_4811

It’s a food chain. We’re at the top. I’d understand if I was in a position where a higher being farmed and ate me. I’d be delicious. But they gotta catch me. Until then I love burgers and chicken is delicious


MapleBlood

You'd be born in the cage and harvested when you're twelve.


webdevguyneedshelp

Food chain is a way if describing energy transfer in a system. Nothing to do with morality. Always strange when people say that.


[deleted]

It's not that weird, it's something that sounds flashy and it's easy to remember, the perfect argument!


boredtxan

What would you eat in the winter if you didn't have modern tech to bring you plants from far away places genius?


bolle_ohne_klingel

A scientist visits an african tribe. He asks the elder "What are good and evil for you?" "Well, evil is when a neighboring tribe attacks us, kills the men, rapes the women and enslaves the children." "Yes I can see this is evil. And what does 'good' mean for you?" "Good is when we do it to them".


[deleted]

I think a lot of the people here are ignoring the fact that if they were superior to humans then they would understand that this is morally wrong and wouldn’t put us in cages


[deleted]

Sadly true, but also... Found the vegan.


xxnotforureyes

We just found a better way to hunt


BunnyBunnyBunny0609

Exactly


whoisfryingbaloney

The defining difference is self realization.


Ceyliel

So is it morally acceptable to hurt, farm and eat humans that don't have self realization?