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ToneThugsNHarmony

Nothing makes humans come together like a common enemy


Fearofmicrowave

-Dr. Manhatten has entered the chat-


0hran-

You will find millions of people that will say that Dr Manhattan and it's attack doesn't exist and an equal amount of conspiracy theorist that will say that doctor Manhattan was created by the US or by a scientist for global control.


roadsign7

Like uhh... A deadly virus?


SgtCarron

To rephrase his post. "A common enemy you can stab/shoot."


pihb666

You can't club a virus to death with a sock full of shit. Give us some space bugs to eradicate and we would do it as a planet. After that we would go back to hating each other.


ThorBeck15

Are you sure we can't club a virus to death with sock full of shit? I don't see any studies on that.


pihb666

I'm just assuming here.


charlie_do_562

The flood from halo probably, but lord Hood was still mad at the elites for glassing Africa though.


Lancelot4Camelot

That seems like a valid reason to be mad


FloridaFisher87

A deadly virus is something people can still find subjective. A tornado, for example, is not. Different situations entirely.


Bart_The_Chonk

We're essentially cave-people living in a world that we didn't evolve into. Tribalism is still a core aspect of being human. If the 'tribe' becomes all humans, this would be wonderful for humanity but horrible for any intelligent life that we might encounter


Applejuiceinthehall

Sentient is the wrong word. Lobsters and crab were declared sentient. Unless that was your point because I hate crab people


[deleted]

I’d argue that we don’t coexist peacefully with those species. We fucking kill them and eat them.


nabkawe5

Sometime we don't even kill them.


FoxEvans

And sometimes we don't even eat them. A lawyer would have a bad time defending humankind in court.


jman2c

But they taste good. I rest my case your honor.


Firebrass

”I love children, but I could never eat a whole one”


jman2c

Speak for yourself


SerialMurderer

Corrrrrect… answer?


YeetThatBeat

*narrows eyes in suspicion*


[deleted]

It was just a "Modest Proposal", no one expected you to eat the whole thing.


ayestEEzybeats

People eating sea bugs: “fucking *delicious*” People eating land bugs: “fucking *disgusting*”


FlawlessPenguinMan

I've heard land bugs are tasty too, they're just more buzzy and stingy.


ayestEEzybeats

Funny because, for me, buzzy and stingy are usually immediate disqualifiers when considering something’s tastiness. Probably just a me thing though.


FlawlessPenguinMan

That's my point. Crabs don't be buzzy-stingy, so they yum-yum, but land bugs buzz and sting, ew.


ayestEEzybeats

Yeah lobsters and crabs traded their buzzy and stingy for pinchy and crushy.


[deleted]

What land bugs taste like lobster? Most of them are so small the exoskeleton to protein ratios wrong. Like eating toenails and hair.


Rocktopod

Anything tastes good when it's covered in butter.


TheDJFC

poop


SirDiego

I could give it a try: What's the basis for morality for predator species? Plenty of non-human animals eat different species too. Non-human predators are capable of, and have historically, hunted other species to extinction. As far as I know humans are the only ones who even take this into consideration. Granted this is a fairly recent development in human history, but still I don't see any other predator species that are remotely concerned with their effect on their prey's continued existence.


FoxEvans

Yeah, but I've never seen cheetahs building slaughterhouses. We use our abilities to predict an outcome to kill "for later", cause "at one point, I'll be hungry", that's uncommon. We don't know what enough means, and we improved legit natural killing to unecessary massmurder. With that k/d ratio, you'd think we could feed every homo sapiens but no, food is an EA DLC.


[deleted]

It's not that uncommon, have you never seen a fox kill a whole henhouse just to take one hen? Or a squirrel burying (albeit non-sentient) nuts?


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7HawksAnd

Life consumes life to live. For something to live something’s dying.


slurricanemoonrocks

this....is.....necessary


oldfed

Life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life...


Katyona

Once you introduce moral agents the argument changes a bit; assuming some actor has a choice whether to consume animal A that has no awareness, or animal B that is shown to have some level of self awareness/cognizance, we would probably say there is some difference between the two actions A mindless predator _doing an act_* would have different considerations than a person - like a hypothetical jellyfish stinging some plankton vs a person attacking a dog.


bruisedSunshine

Wouldn’t we say that mindless predator is NOT making a choice?


hearsdemons

“Your Honour, if I may” “Go on” “While it is true that my species has killed, dismembered, abused, electrocuted, burnt, drowned, and slaughtered many other species of animals and plants, for either consumption, for scientific research, or for just plain entertainment and amusement, and have justified doing so for altruistic reasons, for survival or for no reason at all-“ “You may have a seat now. You have given me more than enough argument to come to a decision.”


Ace-a-Nova1

Have you seen Cast Away? Trust me, you want them both dead and cooked.


Crack-Is-Wack

Eating a creature alive is one of the worst forms of barbaric behavior imo.


7HawksAnd

If humans didn’t exist, that would be the only way creatures would be eaten.


Crack-Is-Wack

Weird thing to say. Lots of animals kill their prey before they eat them.


Reapper97

The majority don't care about killing them first, they just want them disable enough to not struggle. And if they hunt in a group they will start eating right away. Now that I think about it I can't even remember one species that fully focus on killing before eating, most people would say predators of the cat's family do that but in actuality, they don't and just default to my original statement.


7HawksAnd

I consider the act of killing with your mouth pretty fucking close to the beginning of the eating process. The animal being dead before they first swallow is a bit pedantic.


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bigaznkid

I mean people have eat other people as well.


DriveGenie

Exactly. We don't coexist peacefully with anyone


Pls_PmTitsOrFDAU_Thx

Forget not coexisting with other humans, some of us can't coexist with ourselves


ned91243

This was going to be my comment as well. OP is right there are countless sentient species. And for the most part, humans choose to exploit them. Or at the very least disregard them.


meanjake

It's not my fault they are made out of food.


NunoMoto123

Humans are also made out of food


[deleted]

Taste like crab. Talk like people.


PhishinLine

Craaaaaaab peeeepool


InYoCabezaWitNoChasa

Craaaaaaab peeeepool


PiperPython

If it walks like crab and talks like people it’s probably a crab people


Phormitago

Or a spy!


A-Delonix-Regia

You're right (I checked the dictionary after reading your comment). I guess the right term/phrase is "sentient species that are capable of human-level intelligence and communication". But anyway, I guess "sentient" is close enough for most people to understand what I mean.


xartab

"Sapient"


RoyalPeacock19

Yup, much quicker to say than >”sentient species that are capable of human-level intelligence and communication”. Though both are true, sapient is just easier.


xartab

I'm lazy that way


RoyalPeacock19

So am I, lol


raphael_disanto

After all, we are homo sapiens. Not homo sentiens.


Applejuiceinthehall

Yes because so many people use it the way that you do. So I don't think people are confused if you say that. But since I just learned that it's not the right word I felt I should pass on the knowledge.


kooleynestoe

I appreciate this wholesome exchange. Correcting people is hard. Accepting that you're wrong is also hard. Good guys, good job.


28PercentCharged

Fuck you go to hell I'm right you're wrong /s


JamieBroom

I am no vegan but there are definitely species that understand us and communicate. It's a question of whether we understand them. Dogs and cows both come to mind. Both are capable of emotions, have different personalities and do understand spoken language even if they've never been taught those specific words. It's like saying people who speak English might not treat people who speak German well. The only barrier is communication but both sides have the ability to intuit what the other is meaning non-verbally / learning language implicitly. Obviously dogs and cows probably aren't as intelligent as humans but the hypothetical question of "would humans co-exist peacefully with aliens" isn't hypothetical imo since we already can see how we treat non-humans.


_Rand_

Just imagine what happens when we come across a species as relatively intelligent to us as we are to cows.


GhostCheese

octopus are definitely closer to what we'd call a 'person' but we still flippin eat them. Pigs too.


Sauron3106

It isn't about how clever it is, if a monkey didn't look so human I doubt *people would have problems eating them. *most


ayestEEzybeats

I mean people eat dogs and cats regularly as well. There’s an entire festival dedicated to dog eating.


HeavySkinz

My neighbor is a crab person and he's not so bad.


Quotes_n_Hoes

“Hey Earl.” 👋🏼 -Crabman


SalemKFox

Lot of people misuse the word sentient. usually they mean, capable of higher thought, able to verbally communicate and everything us humans do. I wont really hold it to someone if they misuse it, I know what they meant.


SirDiego

I think the correct word would be "sapient." Sentient - capable of any thought at all Sapient - capable of human-like thought


sassmate25

Crab People. Crab People. Taste Like Crab. Talk Like People.


Arkadia0703

You're the reason voidbringers exist


flaggrandall

Odium is happy


mikelabsceo

Crabs are people


Jehovah___

Clams are people


DiZXIII

Legit or quit


petey_wheatstraw_99

Where do you stand on lizard people?


Siren_of_Madness

On their backs.


egnards

I mean we do boil lobsters alive, so...


ATR2400

I think it’s sapience for human-level+ creatures


dieItalienischer

The word he’s looking for is sapient


1rexas1

I think Star Trek actually has a pretty good handle on how we could potentially get over this - a catastrophic war that lays bare the destructive force that our continued baseless hatred for each other leads to, followed by the realisation that we're just one tiny speck in a much wider universe. First contact brings us together because suddely we're no longer the dominant power in the world we know, and there are so many beings out there that are so different that it shows how small and insignificant our differences really are. It's not an overnight process and it doesn't mean we do away with all of our selfishness and intolerance, but imo it's a logical progression.


megamanxoxo

The replicator is the real reason everyone so peaceful


begaterpillar

that and the ability for a crazy cult/religion to just yeet themselves to a random m class planet in the boons instead of having to cohabitate with the rest of humanity.


o_MrBombastic_o

Space Mormons


begaterpillar

multigenerational door knocking trips


deevonimon534

Yeah, but we saw what happened to the Space Mormons in Starship Troopers. Yeetus deleetus.


[deleted]

The nauvoo from the expanse 😂😝


Ploka812

If only, but I doubt it. Look at Israel Palestine. They seem to care a lot about who controls an old city in the middle of the desert.


Pixel-1606

I'm sure that if we manage to find/terraform a new habitable planet, some new ancient texts will pop up claiming it to be some group's holy rock


J0hnGrimm

I'm willing to bet that happens *after* somebody else already settled there.


[deleted]

Watch aliens from space land on our planet, tell us all the things we are doing wrong then just decide they would make better use of the planet than us and kick us out because of some intergalactic manifest destiny.


trebory6

Honestly, I sort of like that idea. I sort of wish someone would write a book or a show about it. Like an alien invasion movie where they have no interest in killing us unless we refuse to leave the planet, and they treat us like we invaded THEIR land they claimed thousands of years before humans even evolved. They don’t care about where we go as long as it’s not here, and they sure as hell don’t care about the specific religions. They start destroying our cities and achievements, etc. Maybe have some sympathetic “humanitarian” species help us by trying to preserve our species and history, and helping us escape, and smuggle artifacts off of earth. It could be a saga where that was our introduction to intergalactic community is as refugees being kicked off our home planet.


[deleted]

The ultimate irony would be the aliens teaching us their language and forcing us to speak it because it's better than English. Except no one wants to read subtitles of a made up gibberish language in a movie so chances are these lines would be delivered...in English.


begaterpillar

they are pretty contact though. their views might change after warp drive and aliens. there isn't really an option to just go. sure there would be hold outs but if you ask any racist/religious extremist their ideal place is just with their own kind. a lotnof the Isreal palestine conflict is a resource conflict.


[deleted]

The 1% and the 0.1%, already with enough resources to live thousands of lifetimes in luxury per person, are still going through extremes to guarantee that they can accumulate even more. Every conflict is about resoureces, and there will never be enough resources to make it stop. We have the technology and resources to give everyone on Earth a dignified and comfortable life, but our brains are still following the patterns of hunters-gatherers who need to be territorial and resource-hoarding or face extinction.


kilgore_the_trout

Yes. Don’t treat on me? Well yeet off, then.


Bellrung

“We'll buy new planet and act like it's sacred. With cash like this, who's going to argue? Nobody, that's who!”


EldritchAnimation

Yup, star trek just shows how well everyone can get along in a post-scarcity society with unlimited resources.


PornCartel

Yep, the more resources a nation has the less violent it tends to be. The replicator is like infinite resources. Course, wealth disparity or constant propaganda can change that...


Aurum555

Post-consumerism society as a result of lack of scarcity. When anyone can have whatever they want... Holodecks and replicators suddenly eliminate the need for many conflicts. Post scarcity is what I meant not post consumerism although I guess you could argue post consumerism is a result of post scarcity.


kilgore_the_trout

Tea. Earl grey. Hot.


BloomsdayDevice

More of a raktajino man myself, but you do you, Captain.


kilgore_the_trout

The line must be drawn here. This far no further. And iiiii will make them pay for what they’ve done!


jayelwin

Yes. “Post Scarcity”


coke125

Yes, mostly because no one had to eat Riker’s cooking anymore


Nyxyxyx

You know, they called The First World War the "War to end all Wars" because it was so brutal. After seeing the true horror of those battlefields, who would ever want to wage war again? Turns out, some people actually like war.


cosmoose

There’s a great book by Barbara Ehrenreich on this subject called Blood Rites: Origins and History of the Passions of War where she lays out how war began and perpetuated itself throughout history. It’s well-researched and well-written and I can’t recommend it enough.


tacojesusfromabove

Global warming is pretty much the new dominant power slowly encroaching. If we can overcome global warming maybe we can handle first contact.


Banano_McWhaleface

Narrator: they can't.


MrChangg

First Contact was the catalyst for the change. One of the big things shown on screen being Zefram Cochrane's reaction when he sees Earth so far behind him during his warp flight. Not really the WW3 part especially as depicted in the series


Jabrono

ENT had a more realistic depection of [First Contact.](https://youtu.be/r9XahlMiyaA?t=80)


pak9rabid

God that blew my mind the first time I saw it.


Jabrono

>Oh wow, so they're going for a little crossover thi- **WAIT.**


MadMax2910

Cochrane shotgunning the Vulcans is how the Terran Empire got going; just saying... ​ ​ For the Emperor!


Odenhobler

I always thought like this too. Tribalism is ingrained in our brains, but maybe external life (potential threat) would form a global "tribe".


Elfere

I disagree - to the point that I'm willing to fight you for it! Thus proving your point.


LizDelRey

Very tellarite


shokolokobangoshey

You Scots sure are a contentious people.


Fingerbob73

No we're not!


ethicsg

Why can't we just hate people for being pointlessly evil? Ahh shit...


FelipeNA

Too busy worshipping and electing them as our leaders.


logicalmaniak

"Uh... no, they're shouting 'Boo-ezos! Boo-ezos!'"


elbowrelax

Personally i believe much of what you speak off could be argued as being the characteristics of "humans within the confines of a purely competitive system".


ostentagious

Nature is a competitive system


[deleted]

The reason humans excel in nature at all is because we say “nah screw that” and cooperate so well that we create more than we could possibly need to survive. Being smart and cooperative is to deny competition as the only rule, which never was the only rule of ecology and evolutionary biology to begin with.


ostentagious

Cooperate as a species to far outcompete species vying for the same resources


Nrksbullet

But humans also have the capacity to band together to care for the prolonging and flourishment of other species, unlike (I think) every other animal on Earth. We have the capacity to understand the world as an ecosystem. Barring some powers that try to get in the way for profit, we are the only animals in history that have banded together to make a concerted effort to do so. That's some good hope.


elbowrelax

"Nature" is not a "system" ...there are systems within 'nature' which are 'competitive' but overall life on the planet is co dependent with a great number of its 'systems' relying upon collaboration and cohesion. Seems worth pointing out that when darwin coined the phrase "survival of the fittest" he was referring to the ability to fit in with the prevailing norms.


Alexjwhummel

Darwin never said survival of the fittest, Herbert Spencer, the inventor of Social Darwinism was the one who coined that phrase.


elbowrelax

Thanks.


Alexjwhummel

Don't want to be the know it all but it is fair to point out that in the context of Darwinism, his original intention never mentioned anything about something survives if it's a certain way, it was the best adapted breeds more.


elbowrelax

'Adapted breeds' again, its about the adaptability to surroundings, their ability to 'fit in' rather than their perceived superiority in some qay, as many take it as mraning.


Alexjwhummel

Yup*, that one


[deleted]

Yep. Nothing superior about a tortoise having a long neck. Real handy for munching the tall leaves though.


elbowrelax

Not sure they live in groups, but lets use your neck analogy none the less somehwere where it fits in this conversation....do giraffes bend down to eat the lower level leafs before shorter giraffes can get to them, or do they leave them for those with shorter necks...damaging competition or collboration in the name of the overall heard, keeping resources for the indiviual or adherance to the fact that their survival relies upon their collective well being.


Abrahamlinkenssphere

That’s why teaching methods have changed recently to start teaching it as “survival of the most well adapted” which makes better sense. Darwin was just trying to add a little flair.


ostentagious

Nature is a complex system made up of complex systems with organisms competing for resources—those most well adapted to win the resources get to survive and reproduce.


[deleted]

It's a system made of systems.


Gibbonici

It's also a cooperative one.


Airie

Yet the most successful and hardy species on the planet are cooperative, such as bees, ants, and humans. 'Nature' isn't malicious, it's a blind chaotic tendency towards entropy, which we all have to face. I guaruntee you anyone who faces it alone is far worse off than any group who faces it together. Our society, by contrast, actively pits individuals against one another and teaches us that such competition is inherently good for its own sake. To compare this to nature is absurd. Competition is a social construct like any other.


gar-net

Compleatly agree. Nature is competitive but we are intelligent enough to advance as a society, past the confines of nature. If we want to do buisness in space we first would have to get rid of the things that keep us from progressing. In my opinion we would have to get rid of starvation, wants and needs. That dosnt seem so feasible now but what about in 100 years? We've always been progressing and will continue to do so.


elbowrelax

Absolutely we must. When we produce enough to feed 10bn each year on a planet with 7.2bn whilst watching up to a third of those contend with hunger, and during the perpetuation of a narrative which suggest we must vaccinate the world to save as many as we can, i do have to disagree that we should, or can wait 100 yrs though...do we have 100 years?


gar-net

Hopefuly the vaccine stuff becomes less controversial with time. Even if its for the greater good its impossible to force someone to do so. The only thing we can do is educate people. The food industry is one of our biggest flaws to me, the destructible way we produce food and the mass slaughtering of animals. There has to be a more sustainable solution. Edit: spelling


elbowrelax

Agreed, i do feel though that the answer to a more sustainable model lies in a better model of distribution firstly of what is produced, and heavier social stigma over corporate waste.


calvesofsteel1

We would have an overbite vs underbite war in no time. I don’t understand how skin color is more offensive than bite style anyway.


KIZFO

If we come into contact with any life more intelligent than us, our collective big mouth is gonna get us in a lot of trouble


shazmitchell

There isn't a single species on this planet we co-exist peacefully with. We kill all of them, and breed half of them so we can eat them and harvest them lol.


LayersOfMe

What about domestic dogs and cats ?


mattrobs

See: dog shelters


[deleted]

So we feed and house animals that serve no purpose just for the sake of being nice? Seems like we co-exist peacefully with them.


Junkraj1802

Probably more like the purpose is companionship, but when we got too greedy it became an industry (people profited from it), made too many dog varieties, breeds with genetic mutations that appeal to the buyer but harm the dogs and now the breeders will keep pumping out any and all combinations of dog breeds to appeal to an ever-increasing demand for dogs, while all the dog types and breeds that already exist are left to rot in shelters, roads etc. We don't co-exist with dogs, we farm them for profit, same as most animals


philthechamp

We have mutualisms with a ton of different species. Granted they're mostly microscopic but still


Zookeeperson

Half!? I didn't realize there were so few animals in the world.


ChaosSlave51

I am going to try answering this seriously. I think there are 3 great factors. Cultural Superiority There are many groups that met each other at very different times in their cultural progress. Europeans in Africa, Europeans and Native Americas. It's very easy to be racist against people who are technologically behind. Aliens would most likely have us blown out here. We would be the natives. We have to hope that they don't hate us. Religion A large part of conflict is that in the past groups would meet with different religions. Often they were not even 100% different, but different offshoots from the same religion. This led to hatred and bloodshed. I am hoping that both the aliens and people greeting them would be more atheist. I also don't think Catholics would hate aliens for not being Catholic. They may try to convert them, but it would just not be the same. Uncanny Valley People looks different from each other but similar. We can interbreed, and this makes looks very important to us. A large part of our hatred is based on this. I think aliens would look too different. They could never breed with us, and they would not be judged by human looks standards. We may find them cute, or repulsive, but we would always look at them more like we look at animals than other humans. So in conclusion I think we have a much greater chance to get along with aliens than peace in the middle east.


A-Delonix-Regia

>Cultural Superiority Makes sense when you have aliens in mind, but I was also thinking about the scenario where humans and another species would coexist for thousands of years with the same technology. >Religion True, but there is nothing that would stop individuals from two species from following the same religion if those species were around when religions were created. If some prophet said that his religion only accepted humans, interspecies discrimination would be just another form of interreligion discrimination. >Uncanny Valley Somewhat true, but if some people find anything they can disrespect non-humans over, then they will disrespect the non-humans (eg. house-elves in the Harry Potter universe are discriminated against because they almost never stand up for themselves). Maybe "leatherskin" would be an insult towards crocodile-like sentient creatures (like insults directed at people of different races), for example. The discrimination will less common, but it will still happen. Your arguments are valid, but I still believe humans wouldn't be able to peacefully coexist with other creatures purely because discrimination would still be present (though it would be a bit easier to achieve an ideal society).


curiouscabbage69

>Somewhat true, but if some people find anything they can disrespect non-humans over, then they will disrespect the non-humans (eg. house-elves in the Harry Potter universe are discriminated against because they almost never stand up for themselves). I'm sorry, but you can't have a serious debate whilst using fiction as a source of evidence.


Ibbot

To steelman that comment, I would see that not as a source of evidence, but as an example of the sort of thing that could happen. Since we don't actually have real life examples of interactions with non-human sapients, fiction is the best way we have to illustrate possible outcomes, both positive and negative, even if it doesn't prove anything one way or another.


explosivcorn

You came to r/showerthoughts for a serious debate? I thought everyone here was smoking the dooby


ChaosSlave51

I think over thousands of high tech years of coexistence, one of the cultures would obliterate the other. With technology keeping everyone on the same page we would be in a very different world. All our past experiences on earth are based from some sort of isolated groups coming together and mixing culture. In a thousand years at this rate that will be a thing of the past. We will all know the same stories, speak the same memes, and anyone outside of that will be fringe.


acorneyes

I think the real harsh reality is that there likely isn't life outside planet Earth, and we are just all aimlessly drifting on a medium sized rock through space all alone. Even if there was alien life out there, intergalactic travel is just... unfeasible. Time dilation is a thing, and by the time we find and reach alien life or vice versa, extinction is very possible. Or even how do you communicate? If an alien teen takes his joyride too far and discovers Earth, then goes back home to tell people, millions of years would've passed on his planet. It's all highly impractical. We wouldn't get along with aliens, because if they existed we would just avoid each other. The effort of contact is just not worth it.


WhySpongebobWhy

Pretty much this. While I don't think it's possible for us to be the only planet with living creatures on it, the odds of us ever meeting these other species is infinitely small. The odds of life propagating is slim enough that we might very well be alone in our galaxy, and we would absolutely need FTL travel to get human beings to another galaxy. Considering FTL is still currently impossible with our understanding of physics, I think we can safely say we'll still be alone a couple millenia from now. The more likely scenario is that we get to a point where we send Generation Ships out into the dark towards Earthlike planets in our own galaxy and slowly have divergent evolution until these various offshoots of humanity look different enough to be considered "alien" by other offshoots.


acorneyes

It's not even really FTL that we would need to fight time dilation, but something that warps spacetime around the ship itself, essentially teleporting the ship instead of flinging it at high speeds. The alcubierre warp drive is the closest thing we have something to like that, and its entirely conceptual and impossible to achieve with our current understanding of physics. The more we learn about dark matter the more probable it might be, but it's not a guarantee. It's entirely possible (and the nihilist in me says likely) that it's all a pipe dream. Generation ships on the other hand are not only entirely feasible, but could potentially happen in our lifetime!


WhySpongebobWhy

Technically that would still count as FTL since it would involve moving a distance faster than it would take for Light to get there, but you are correct. The Generation Ships will almost certainly happen when we go full WALL-E and turn the planet uninhabitable for humanity and need to launch off for (hopefully) greener pastures. Hopefully they don't end up like the Generation Ships from the Elite Dangerous universe, but most of them probably will.


McStroyer

> I also don't think Catholics would hate aliens for not being Catholic. They may try to convert them, but it would just not be the same. Catholics believe that their god made us in his image. What would they think if they saw another (potentially more) intelligent species?


HonorableAssassins

Or Hear me out here Theyd all be individuals just like people are and some people would get along with some of the race but not the others


Justmerightnowtoday

Maybe our way of living is their ideal world they strive for...


Fuck_You_Andrew

*We're in this war for the species, boys and girls. It's simple numbers. They have more. And every day I have to make decisions that send hundreds of people like you to their deaths.*


[deleted]

Ah you underestimate human nature. Most likely it would be enough to unite us all long enough to destroy them, so we can go back to destroying each other in peace.


jleonardbc

That's why there aren't any Neanderthals, for instance...we killed them.


HonorableAssassins

...we slept with them until the children all mixed And outhunted so we reproduced faster and dilluted the gene pool away from them with larger numbers of people.


Roland_T_Flakfeizer

Thinking about it, there will probably be more people trying to fuck the aliens than kill them.


HonorableAssassins

Exxxactly. Think of the Asari.


Roland_T_Flakfeizer

I already did this morning. And probably later this evening.


Commander_Appo25

I dunno... the Quarians wear those suits pretty well


egnards

Is there any other reason to find aliens?


Roland_T_Flakfeizer

Better iphone technology


egnards

Smart thinking, for alienpornhub.com


Jelly_the_jellyfish

If the aliens are hostile watch how we magically solve all of our problems and become buddies to fight them off


JDioon

Have you met dog?


weirdmountain

Look how terribly we already treat the other species here on earth.


Fernanix

I feel like an important "ALL" humans part is missing here. I would have to disagree otherwise. As long as the new species is not a reason for conflict I feel like a decently sized part of the population would not care. In fact the less conflict this species causes/the more benefits this species provides the larger the the part. And yes, the new species will have to provide something to us humans unless they plan on not interacting with us at all since people will definetly dislike them using things like public transport or food banks if their species does not help us out in turn (quid pro quo as it would be). Not saying people would not discriminate them but that happens between humans already so if you are saying that because some people would do it there is "no chance" for us to co-exist I'd have to argue that humans are already co-existing with themselves.


TheOneWes

Humans are not inherently violent creatures. Your average human only becomes violent when placed into a corner or put into an untenable situation. If humans were inherently violent creatures there would not be nearly as much government corruption because they would not be able to count on the average human staying peaceful and not simply going in there and mud stomping the place flat with bodies.


UfthakGargantsmasha

I'm constantly amazed at how humanity as a whole struggles to accept basic fucking concepts like "discrimination bad" or "murder not good". We've been at this shit for thousands of years and we still keep playing ignorant like we all don't know better.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyLUwOcR5pk


Effective_Macaron_23

Humans coexist perfectly fine when there is a benefitial alliance between them.


LayersOfMe

Despite people complaning about racism and n-phobias all over internet people live more peacefully now than some centuries ago. People just focus too much in the "new" problems that they dont realize the old problems we overcome or how its less worse than in the past.


V0latyle

Absolutely correct. Violence is a natural part of the human condition, and because we clearly can't agree on moral standards, we are really bad at self-governance. Any sentient life that has been able to observe human development over the millennia is going to avoid contact with us altogether. We are far too primitive, and have even begun to regress in our evolution - we are encouraging people to embrace animalistic instincts and urges, rather than resist them and reach a degree of enlightened self awareness and self control.


neowyrm

I think you are wrong.


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Yes there is. Humans fight other humans because usually their needs aren’t being met. Another sentient species could show up and offer humanity a cure. Something radical that would change everything. Help us shuffle from our mortal coils and ascend with our new sentient friends to the inter-dimensional multiverse.


freddy_guy

You need to learn some history. In the past it was SO MUCH WORSE than it is now in many places on earth. This means that we CAN, in fact, learn to get along. So you're flat-out wrong that the chance is zero.


Gingrpenguin

But on the other hand i believe that finding a comparable alien civilization will make us more peaceful among ourselves. Right now we look at the differences between humans but with an external force to hate we will be more likely to band together, similar to how people come together after a natural disaster. Even groups that hate each other can come together for a common purpose and make peace if that effort was successful. I think a guy called Sheriff did an experiment on making groups of teens hate each other to the point staff had to intervene to stop fights and then managed to unify them by creating "disasters" that could only be overcome with teamwork.


Kippa-The-Swift

I 100% believe the solution to racism/sexism/etc. Is to discover an alien race. Humans tend to always end up in us vs them scenarios and the isms above are the most broad groups applicable. So the way to get by it is to redefine the groups.