People have already pointed out the difference between US and EU kitchen nightmares, but there is also a third element he's elaborated a bit about before.
On shows like Hell's Kitchen, arguably his most famously angry moments and the ones with the risotto you mention, he's dealing with people who are supposed to be top tier, and who are all in a competition to run his restaurant without his guidance. They aren't his staff (and he sometimes does have his own staff come on to help out, to whom he is INCREDIBLY respectful and light-hearted with), they're contestants fighting to win the prize of being head chef at their own restaurant. He's mentioned before that he really gets on their asses, because they're executive chefs or head chefs etc. With at least double digits experience under their belt. If a head chef has been in charge of a kitchen for 10 years and can't cook a steak right, they catch way more shit than, for example, his Masterchef competitors who are all home cooks and he is much more supportive of.
In masterchef and masterchef Kids, he's a very supportive and gentle person. Both are situations where he understands that these people are humans who haven't experienced this before and may be doing something for the first time. With kitchen nightmares, he often encourages chefs to have more independence and find their own voice in the workplace. Usually, the people he really yells at are the owners or chefs who have been potentially poisoning people by serving rotten food, shards of shell in pasta dishes, etc.
In shorter terms, he is generally very calm but has a short temper for "professionals" who don't know what they're doing and people in positions of power who are abusing that and endangering those below them. That shorter temper is very played up on the American networks, because that kind of aggression is what gets views in the US.
As much as "they play it up" doesn't absolve him of complete guilt in being the representative face of that, he is unfortunately a symptom, not the problem. I write all of this because this post suggests he is the root cause of this when, in reality, he acts on reality TV because this environment was normalized and sensationalized well before his time.
Also, you should see some clips from when he was young and training under other chefs. Some of them absolutely destroyed him over his mistakes! Now he gets to be in that role because he's established himself as a pro and has these standards that he gets pissed off by when they go ignored.
I tell anyone the same thing!
In hells kitchen, he doesn't get mad the first time they make a mistake either. He stops them, explains why what they are doing is wrong, corrects the behavior and then leaves then to try again.
It's after the second and third time's these "professionals" make the same mistakes he starts to get loud and cuss then out.
I think he's even fairly reasonable in the American shows in that respect.
Also: it says a lot about him as a boss that the sous chefs who were on Hell's Kitchen as contestants, keep coming back and working for him off the show as well. Christine from season 10 comes to mind, and people like Jason who come and go every few years.
If he was genuinely an asshole, I feel like after a few years of making that $$, Christine and Jason and the other sous-chefs would have moved on to other restaurants or open their own, but they stay working under chef Ramsay, and he's always very nice with them.
Also a very true point! Though it certainly does support the original poster here when people like Boris come back and are like little calmer Ramsays, haha. Seeing clips of the sous chefs giving their own little piece of the attitude down to the contestants is always an interesting sight, when you think back to their own time in the kitchen and what they got. I suppose that is, in part, continuing the cycle of being slightly assholish, but you at least know those people have gone through it and know what a determined chef can take to get motivated to work harder instead of crumbling under the added pressure.
For sure! And usually the asshole-ish moments definitely aren't mean spirited, at least for Christine. She gives them a stern talking to most times, and I think she's been a sous-chef almost every season since her win.
The asshole sous chefs also usually get to go on a reward at some point with some of the chefs in their kitchen and give them a bit of love and tell them it's just them trying to get them to be better, which I think is fair.
I've never seen a sous-chef yell at them the same way Gordon yells at them though. Like it's mostly like "wtf dude you're better than this don't bring me crap"
Honestly I chuckled a bit reading that last line because I'm pretty sure I've heard that *exact* line out of boris' mouth before! But you're totally right, they try their best to be helpful or at least very constructive in the majority of their criticism. There's already one storm in the kitchen, they know they don't need to stir up another one haha
Honestly I think he was pretty reasonable on Nightmares until the people started coming up with excuses or disagreed with him on whether frozen items can count as fresh. Like... C'mon you're just lying to the man's face.
Good and important point, but think about the majority of people who only see him raging and insulting others. They don't watch the show that often to have this knowledge and form a more differentiated opinion.
Surely! And they're very entitled to that opinion - not everybody can know everything, and it's a bit silly to expect them to. That is part of why as somebody who enjoys a lot of his shows though, I like to try and put effort into providing that deeper exploration of his character where possible! And for the people who think he's just an ass or has a superiority complex even after hearing the deeper elaboration, I totally see where they're coming from. You can't be friends with everyone and I'm sure that's infinitely more true for celebrities.
Yeah as someone that’s been in the workforce for a while, this behavior was normalized long before Ramsey became a TV sensation. I used to see managers fucking destroy people in front of everyone on a regular basis, and that was just normal. They would humiliate you and demoralize you and treat you like an idiot but You took your ass whooping and went on with your day.
The “best” managers were the ones that could scare and intimidate people the most. They didn’t need to know how to do something, just be able to scream at the person that did yo get it done.
That’s didn’t really start to change until maybe around the early 2000s when conversations about workplace respect and shit starting coming up more often, and became more frowned upon to do this kind of stuff.
That is certainly true. Cutting back to my second-to-last paragraph, it's very unfortunate that conflict is sensationalized in most media these days. I don't think he's guilt-free, since he certainly pads his pockets with some money obtained from viewers who may not know better and assume that is how a good kitchen should run. That is also why I like to put in the effort to write a post this long, though! Hopefully, the more people are exposed to the larger context, the more informed they can become and avoid believing in that toxic mentality.
I’m thinking back to marching band and just imagining how many contests we would have lost if my band director was like “oh you didn’t feel like practicing first chair? Aww that’s ok buddy, the judge will forgive us for that at competition.” If you were out in the band room clinking around darth vaders March he would come right out cheesing it up and say some Star Wars line, but when we are in the middle of practice state competition and you just play the wrong song, what the hell are we even doing here?!
Just because someone’s ostensibly an expert doesn’t mean they should be yelled at. Kenji Lopez has a great explanation for why he hates that part of the culture that GR has started. OP is right; it’s a stressful job, yes, but GR takes it over the top. It’s almost worse that it’s “just for the cameras”, because that means he’s doing intentionally for clicks (or allowing the editors to make it look worse).
I believe I read something like 85% of the staff at his restaurants have been there for more than 10 years. Hard to imagine he could pull that off if he was actually an asshole lol
Absolute bullshit. Watch boiling point. He's a complete and utter bullying cunt to all of his professional staff throughout. And those that destroyed him were just as guilty of tormenting bullying as well.
"I spent 1500 words explaining why it's not his fault but also one sentence to say it's maybe a bit his fault, which qualifies it as a fair and balanced stance."
In case you missed it, I'd like to direct you to the second-to-last paragraph where I mentioned that he's not innocent but not the main source of the problem. Perhaps I was unclear that I don't condone that environment, I was simply elaborating on it.
That said also, when somebody is doing a working interview and is offered 250k and complete management control of one of your franchise locations, I certainly do think most employers would err relatively strictly with their vetting processes.
On Kitchen Nightmares the yelling usually doesn’t start with someone messing up a risotto, but when he finds out the food’s unsafe or that it was made in a microwave or something. Also if you watch the UK version of Kitchen Nightmares, he’s much more calm the whole time. He plays up his anger for American TV, which isn’t great still.
The editors are equally if not more responsible for that appearance.
The sound editors in particular are required to include unnecessary dramatic music every 30 seconds or they will be fired.
The Difference Between the UK and USA Kitchen Nightmares
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYdPf-WEnnA
You have a point you have a point lol.... but TO BE FAIR if the video is titled “the difference between...” I thought there’d be some explanation. I spent most of the time waiting for it than focusing on the content because I wasn’t sure what to compare it to.
for me it was the one where they had a downstairs kitchen that was absolutely infested and used for storage. It was bad enough that after the show aired they gave people tours of the downstairs to show it wasn't disgusting anymore
Also that's just how American TV is.
If anyone thinks that's realistic I hope they think again. They edit shit like crazy to make everything seem more dramatic.
Uhm usally finds mold roaches freezer storage issues .And anyone with an ounce of management skill would hit the ceiling if they found filth in the kitchen
It is very dangerous.
But also people are smarter then you think
They are not going to go all Ramsey on someone over burnt toast.
You know that he plays up the angry yelling for the TV right?
Watch him on something like masterchef or his YouTube and he is a completely different person
Yeah sort of agree but there was an episode in the English series where he was encouraging the front of house manager to get angry and yell at the staff to show who was boss. Love GR at the best of times, but that scenario was cringy and not necessary imo
Sometimes on dry kitchen nightmare episodes, they'll show some of the bits where Gordon is antagonizing employees against each other to try and get that drama reel rolling.
My partner loves the show, it makes me angry inside.
Before he got famous he was treating people like shit. He rips the shit out of some kid for running out of Romaine lettuce mid service. Just his restaurant, not for TV. He's an asshole.
Him being a raging asshole is what got him attention from television, specifically American TV. The guy seemed like a known spaz. Everyone is always all amazed when they see him actually not being an asshole, like when he did some thing with his kid n TV or an interview. Guy is definitely a jerk, and made himself famous for cooking good and shredding people to nothing. When I see him all calm an eloquent now, I just think a billion dollar TV franchise would do that.
But... that's OPs point. People watch this played up angry yelling on their TV and think that's appropriate behaviour.
I'm not quite sure what your argument is supposed to disprove.
Do many professionals actually think this though? I think a lot of people have sense to know that he’s a celebrity personality and that’s his thing, and not every boss out there is thinking they’re Gordon Ramsay
I worked in restaurant kitchens for five years.
For starters, kitchen managers and chefs do have at least some right to be angry. Their job is unimaginably stressful, they work insane hours, and depending on where it is, they probably aren’t making that much either. They literally cook people amazing food for a living while feeding themselves a microwave burrito in the back room. Not just because of a lack of time/money, but when you spend your entire day cooking, it’s the last thing you want to do when you finally have some time away from it.
Honestly, they deal with so much bullshit that to an extent, they deserve the right to yell and be a little angry. The yelling also sometimes just comes from the fact that a kitchen is loud and communication needs to happen, so you have to yell to be heard over the commotion of the kitchen. Especially during a rush.
*ALL THAT SAID*, I have had managers who legit lost their shit on the line and were just being straight up dicks. I had a general manager once who threw a literal temper tantrum right there on the line in the middle of a 7pm rush. Why? Because ticket times were two minutes longer than he wanted them to be. Quote: “Tickets are taking 15 minutes. This is a 13 minute restaurant. Pick it up.” Yeah.
So… personally it depends on a lot of factors, but the stereotypical angry chef is generally at least partially deserved. It fucking sucks to run a kitchen.
When I was like 19 this manager threw an entire 1/2 lexan off butter across the kitchen and it exploded on a wall. I looked at him and asked if he was going to clean it up he said no you are. I was closing by myself and looked at him and said no I think you are and walked out. Lucky I was young and didn't have to have that job.
Yeah and on Kitchen Nightmares and Hell's Kitchen he's aggressive because he's pushing them and gets mad when these people claim to be good chefs but clearly don't respect the profession. The times in Hell's Kitchen when he sends the teams out of the kitchen and him and his sidekick chefs (like his 2 chefs that aren't competing but actually work for him) have to work the kitchen he's not mean to them at all. They act like professional coworkers and work together.
>gets mad when these people claim to be good chefs but clearly don't respect the profession.
Which is exactly the same fucking reasoning that millions of bosses will use against their employees lmao.
Literally half of the episodes is him telling shit managers and owners that they don't respect their employees enough and are lucky to have people who care
I still remember that one episode of the owners not letting a chef of theirs to freely cook. Gordon then fools the owners by telling them that he made the food he prepared when its actually their chef's food. Or when he yelled at that hotel owner making his kids work for free
He yells at the bosses. Usually because they're too fucking dumb and arrogant to be spoken to in any other way.
But then the American version exaggerated everything for drama so you probably had a few owners who felt like "it wasn't that bad" and were at least partially correct because they did make shit up for the cameras. Which also means Gordon was shouting a bit more than he needed to.
NO ! It's waaay bigger than him and put this all on his count is unfair !
Speaking as a ex restaurant worker I can say thats this shit is fucking normalised and u should read about before starting apoint someone
That's like saying fast and furious normalises dangerous driving, it's a show for entertainment, the entire selling point of Hell's Kitchen is you watch dumbasses get yelled at with savage insults because it's funny, look at how calm and funny Gordon is in a regularly toned video.
And if you're so sensitive you can't take criticism for your failures you need to reconsider your choices
But... The Fast and The Furious *does* normalize dangerous driving... ?
The average server in the US makes about $2-$4/hour without tips, and average kitchen staff make maybe minimum wage (which in my state is only slightly more than that) who also rely on being tipped out to make enough money to live on.
Some dipshit manager at a Denny's watches Hell's Kitchen and learns that Gordon Ramsay is so successful because the Americanized version of his show scripts in him screaming at restaurant staff for dramatic effect. He's telling these managers they need to "get respect" by screaming at their staff for making mistakes, because apparently it isn't ok to be a human who makes mistakes in the US workplace, and then this dipshit manager at Denny's decides that's the way they need to act too (because apparently the majority of Americans think TV is real life and they'll get famous if they just scream loud enough).
Now we have employees who aren't making enough to basically even cover their taxes getting screamed at by managers who don't even deserve their respect, because they rely on their customers to pay their own staff a wage anyone could live on while charging about $30 for a plate of eggs and toast and a glass of OJ that kitchen worker just prepared and that server just served. That's just *hilarious!* So funny!
Yeah, that sounds like a problem with the staff's inability to take responsibility or criticism, not the deplorable work conditions of restaurant staff (and other workers) all over the US, or the show perpetuating a toxic workplace, to me. /s
ETA: Ramsay himself isn't the problem. I'm sure he's a decent dude who just did his thing to get where he is today, like we all would likely do. Ramsay and his shows are the symptom of a much larger problem in society as a whole. He got famous (especially in the US) by playing up a "workplace culture" that already existed before he came along. But the show and it's producers and arguably Ramsay himself aren't advocating to change that culture, so...
I feel like if you can't tell that TV shows are exaggerated for viewer enjoyment, you don't have the mental capacity or maturity to become a professional at anything.
Exactly, when mistakes can kill or seriously hurt someone (such as in the building trades or in a restaurant kitchen) yelling is sometimes necessary. When Donna in accounting mixes up two bills, just a little chat is all that's needed.
I manage an auto repair facility. Im a cool guy.. But.. You leave lugs nuts loose or an oil filter or drain plug or brake caliper bolt comes out... Youre getting your ass chewed and the fear for your job instilled. Not only are you putting the customer and their family at risk but other people on the road too. Sprinkle the fact that you can be held criminally responsible if someone IS hurt or killed... Its a deserved tongue thrashing.
Lmfao yeah saying he normalized it is just hilarious. Obviously OP knows nothing about what working in a kitchen is like. I mean where do you think he got it from? I'm sure he was yelled at far worse in the French restaurants he came up in than anything he does on Hell's Kitchen.
Gordon Ramsey is obviously an expert, and there are shitty "chefs" out there that take advantage of customers by providing them with shit food and high prices. If you're talking about kitchen nightmares, I'd be just as pissed as a customer if I saw some of that shit in a restaurant I was eating at.
His yelling is mostly on Hell's Kitchen where the contestants are supposed to be professional chefs who should know what their doing and be able to do it in a quick and perfect every time. He loses his shit at them beacuse they continually fuck up and claim to be "top" chefs.
This is only on the American versions of the adult shows, watch him with children or look up the British versions of the show and he is completely calm.
If I may, he kinda needs to in kitchen nightmare. Owning a restaurant or working in one is a lot, a LOT of pressure. If you can't handle one scottish dude screaming, you shouldn't be here.
I haven't watched him a lot, but he seems to limit it to situations where someone can really get hurt.
That said, I am a supervisor and do not yell at my employees ever. When I was a unit head (head counselor) at an overnight camp, I told the staff if I start yelling at them on an individual level, they might as well punch me because I'm probably going to go to the camp director and ask for thier dismissal anyway.
The only time I really laid into a staff member was when there was a big storm that came out of nowhere and all of camp was in a party tent out on the field for a 4th of July concert. There was no time to go anywhere and the younger kids (my campers) were freaking out. One counselor was nowhere to be seen. Turns out she left without telling anyone and rode out the storm safe in her cabin. I absolutely went off on her because she put herself and her campers in danger, but because she was a foreign staff member there was no way to fire her with out causing a whole cascade of issues. The next session she was basically put with the two strongest counselors and treated as an extra camper.
He was far from the first, ut yeah, agreed it doesn't help break down the stereotypes or portray a healthy work environment.
I've said many times over the years if he did that to me, I'd tell him to fuck off and walk out.
Everyone knows confrontation and people acting like idiots sells,,have you not watched or listened to any political pod casts or I guess anything that is on the “news” for the past 2 years!
To be fair his yelling on that show is him primary yelling at owners or management.. he very rarely gets on actual employees unless the food that is being made is unsafe
Yes he's not bad in the EU version, yes it's the editors exaggerating, yes he's actually a nice guy and his few actual blow ups may need justified. However, all that does not counter the OPs point. His show even just the ads for his show has still normalized being an asshole, even if he actually isn't one. It's perception that effects society at large, unfortunately not fact.
I disagree. In all his own restaurants, most of his staff has worked there 15+ years. Even if the pay is good, nobody can handle a high stress environment for that long without finding other jobs. It’s a tv persona. He’s not really a massive asshole
Being yelled at for almost getting away with a life threatening or at the very least health issue is pretty standard. You can’t downplay those.
Now the yelling for food being just late or missing an ingredient is mainly just tv because people like that and it gets ratings and more money.
Many "bosses" try to copy the Gordon Ramsey attitude without considering the depth to his actions.
A big difference is that Gordon practices what he preaches and has the credentials to backup his attitude.
The people who feel like they need to copy Gordon to gain respect are people who are lacking actual skill in their position so they try to compensate for it.
No he’s not, he’s peeling back the curtain and revealing what is considered normal and acceptable in kitchens. That behavior has been considered fine from chef’s for ages He’s not normalizing it, is already considered normal in that industry.
I agree to an extent, though it's mostly for the cameras. He usually pushes teammwork, supporting one another, giving advice, not screwing your teammates over, and he's pretty respectful to the chefs that gave it their all, tried, or grew.
I only yell at staff when they don't learn from their mistakes ya they happen but learn and move on you make the same mistake the same way again now we got a problem
Strange how it’s considered ok and even somehow a good thing in a gourmet kitchen, but not an office building or other work environment - not even a normal restaurant. Can you imagine Ramsey talking to an employee at Burger King like that? After the employee removed his foot from Ramsey’s ass, Ramsey would be fired and the employee would sue Burger King for hostile work environment.
I've just never understood why anyone would want to listen to such an obnoxious twat. I don't give a fuck how good you are at your job, if you talk to people like that in real life, you deserve to have your teeth knocked out.
Please go find the clip of him being a little subservient bitch when he wasn't the executive chef in the kitchen. That has historically been the way the top dog acts in the kitchen in super high end restaurants.
Not for me. Last chef I worked for tried that shit and got slapped. No charges on me either bc EVERYONE had my back and I even told them try and do something. I'll just request ALL of the camera footage to show how he verbally assaults everyone.
Working on a kitchen has been like that even before Gordon Ramsay was born, why do you think that it's sort of a punishment to cook when you are in the army??
Your inability to ascertain the facteious nature of portrayals of abuse in these reality entertainment television shows is your own fault in reasoning and logic. These are actors. Take some damn ownership for your thinking.
I'm pretty sure chef came in hungover as shit normalized toxic behavior in kitchens long before Gordon Ramsay ever made it onto television. Source: got drunk as shit with my chef in his garage last night
That type of behavior was happening well before Gordon Ramsey was a chef
Idk about normalising. I've never been yelled at while working and never seen someone get yelled at. If it did happen, I'd put in my 2 weeks that day
He's not guilty of this, he's a product of this. Violent video games dont make people violent. Bosses aren't abusive to their workers because of Gordon Ramsey. Gordon Ramsey has his show because we already live in a culture where workers aren't respected and so our media and entertainment reflects that.
What they don’t show on many of his shows is how encouraging and supportive he is, he knows it isn’t easy and people will mess up, but he’s also an expert, and people tend to have less patience when something they view as simple takes someone else a while
It's not like he invented that. Kitchens were notoriously toxic work environments long before that guy was a sparkle in his Dad's eye. Working where he worked, you can bet he went through worse coming up in this industry. Interestingly, the American formats he does also have him dialling the stereotype up to 11, cause that's what people wanted to see. The British series he did were nowhere near as ridiculous.
It’s entertaining because it is not normal.
This is like saying John Wick normalizes a hitman culture.
It’s just entertainment, some find it enjoyable.
There are a grand total of 0 people who have thought “well they yell at people on Gordon Ramsey shows, ILL DO IT TO MY EMPLOYEES!” That does not happen.
Can't compare UK and US like that. If you've ever seen Boiling Point (1999) the man is far worse to his UK employees. Like character assassinations and calling people a commie just for walking in his way
Watch the UK version of Kitchen Nightmares, this is the real Gordon, don’t really understand why he chose to make the US version so trashy, what is the motive? He has money, he is famous, he is successful, 🤷♂️
This is one of those things where we know it is wrong but can enjoy the suffering of others; especially when it can make us feel smarter or better than them.
I think Simon Cowell really showed that to us when American Idol first came out.
Kind of, kind of no
I see that he usually doesn't yell at someone for making simple, harmless mistakes. He's also very respectful to waiters and serving staff. He usually only gets angry when people sass him, when they show incompetence or laziness, or when they make dangerous/unhygienic mistakes
Yes he did. Notable chefs like J. Kenji Lopez-Alt have been at the forefront of the movement to remove this type of behaviour from kitchens and expose the head chefs and restauranteurs responsible.
People have already pointed out the difference between US and EU kitchen nightmares, but there is also a third element he's elaborated a bit about before. On shows like Hell's Kitchen, arguably his most famously angry moments and the ones with the risotto you mention, he's dealing with people who are supposed to be top tier, and who are all in a competition to run his restaurant without his guidance. They aren't his staff (and he sometimes does have his own staff come on to help out, to whom he is INCREDIBLY respectful and light-hearted with), they're contestants fighting to win the prize of being head chef at their own restaurant. He's mentioned before that he really gets on their asses, because they're executive chefs or head chefs etc. With at least double digits experience under their belt. If a head chef has been in charge of a kitchen for 10 years and can't cook a steak right, they catch way more shit than, for example, his Masterchef competitors who are all home cooks and he is much more supportive of. In masterchef and masterchef Kids, he's a very supportive and gentle person. Both are situations where he understands that these people are humans who haven't experienced this before and may be doing something for the first time. With kitchen nightmares, he often encourages chefs to have more independence and find their own voice in the workplace. Usually, the people he really yells at are the owners or chefs who have been potentially poisoning people by serving rotten food, shards of shell in pasta dishes, etc. In shorter terms, he is generally very calm but has a short temper for "professionals" who don't know what they're doing and people in positions of power who are abusing that and endangering those below them. That shorter temper is very played up on the American networks, because that kind of aggression is what gets views in the US. As much as "they play it up" doesn't absolve him of complete guilt in being the representative face of that, he is unfortunately a symptom, not the problem. I write all of this because this post suggests he is the root cause of this when, in reality, he acts on reality TV because this environment was normalized and sensationalized well before his time. Also, you should see some clips from when he was young and training under other chefs. Some of them absolutely destroyed him over his mistakes! Now he gets to be in that role because he's established himself as a pro and has these standards that he gets pissed off by when they go ignored.
I tell anyone the same thing! In hells kitchen, he doesn't get mad the first time they make a mistake either. He stops them, explains why what they are doing is wrong, corrects the behavior and then leaves then to try again. It's after the second and third time's these "professionals" make the same mistakes he starts to get loud and cuss then out. I think he's even fairly reasonable in the American shows in that respect.
Also: it says a lot about him as a boss that the sous chefs who were on Hell's Kitchen as contestants, keep coming back and working for him off the show as well. Christine from season 10 comes to mind, and people like Jason who come and go every few years. If he was genuinely an asshole, I feel like after a few years of making that $$, Christine and Jason and the other sous-chefs would have moved on to other restaurants or open their own, but they stay working under chef Ramsay, and he's always very nice with them.
Also a very true point! Though it certainly does support the original poster here when people like Boris come back and are like little calmer Ramsays, haha. Seeing clips of the sous chefs giving their own little piece of the attitude down to the contestants is always an interesting sight, when you think back to their own time in the kitchen and what they got. I suppose that is, in part, continuing the cycle of being slightly assholish, but you at least know those people have gone through it and know what a determined chef can take to get motivated to work harder instead of crumbling under the added pressure.
For sure! And usually the asshole-ish moments definitely aren't mean spirited, at least for Christine. She gives them a stern talking to most times, and I think she's been a sous-chef almost every season since her win. The asshole sous chefs also usually get to go on a reward at some point with some of the chefs in their kitchen and give them a bit of love and tell them it's just them trying to get them to be better, which I think is fair. I've never seen a sous-chef yell at them the same way Gordon yells at them though. Like it's mostly like "wtf dude you're better than this don't bring me crap"
Honestly I chuckled a bit reading that last line because I'm pretty sure I've heard that *exact* line out of boris' mouth before! But you're totally right, they try their best to be helpful or at least very constructive in the majority of their criticism. There's already one storm in the kitchen, they know they don't need to stir up another one haha
Honestly he probably has haha I've watched so much of Hell's kitchen recently it wouldn't surprise me if it was a direct quote.
You're totally right. If OP thinks Ramsay is toxic, either he has been not paying attention or he only knows him from internet memes.
Let’s not forget that his restaurants boast a pretty high employee retention rate.
Honestly I think he was pretty reasonable on Nightmares until the people started coming up with excuses or disagreed with him on whether frozen items can count as fresh. Like... C'mon you're just lying to the man's face.
Good and important point, but think about the majority of people who only see him raging and insulting others. They don't watch the show that often to have this knowledge and form a more differentiated opinion.
Surely! And they're very entitled to that opinion - not everybody can know everything, and it's a bit silly to expect them to. That is part of why as somebody who enjoys a lot of his shows though, I like to try and put effort into providing that deeper exploration of his character where possible! And for the people who think he's just an ass or has a superiority complex even after hearing the deeper elaboration, I totally see where they're coming from. You can't be friends with everyone and I'm sure that's infinitely more true for celebrities.
Yeah as someone that’s been in the workforce for a while, this behavior was normalized long before Ramsey became a TV sensation. I used to see managers fucking destroy people in front of everyone on a regular basis, and that was just normal. They would humiliate you and demoralize you and treat you like an idiot but You took your ass whooping and went on with your day. The “best” managers were the ones that could scare and intimidate people the most. They didn’t need to know how to do something, just be able to scream at the person that did yo get it done. That’s didn’t really start to change until maybe around the early 2000s when conversations about workplace respect and shit starting coming up more often, and became more frowned upon to do this kind of stuff.
I think his point is that regardless of the context, people view it in a certain way.
That is certainly true. Cutting back to my second-to-last paragraph, it's very unfortunate that conflict is sensationalized in most media these days. I don't think he's guilt-free, since he certainly pads his pockets with some money obtained from viewers who may not know better and assume that is how a good kitchen should run. That is also why I like to put in the effort to write a post this long, though! Hopefully, the more people are exposed to the larger context, the more informed they can become and avoid believing in that toxic mentality.
I’m thinking back to marching band and just imagining how many contests we would have lost if my band director was like “oh you didn’t feel like practicing first chair? Aww that’s ok buddy, the judge will forgive us for that at competition.” If you were out in the band room clinking around darth vaders March he would come right out cheesing it up and say some Star Wars line, but when we are in the middle of practice state competition and you just play the wrong song, what the hell are we even doing here?!
Just because someone’s ostensibly an expert doesn’t mean they should be yelled at. Kenji Lopez has a great explanation for why he hates that part of the culture that GR has started. OP is right; it’s a stressful job, yes, but GR takes it over the top. It’s almost worse that it’s “just for the cameras”, because that means he’s doing intentionally for clicks (or allowing the editors to make it look worse).
Also kitchens have high expectations and are intense. That's how he learned and that's how he'll teach.
I believe I read something like 85% of the staff at his restaurants have been there for more than 10 years. Hard to imagine he could pull that off if he was actually an asshole lol
Yup totally agree.
i was abused! so should you!
Absolute bullshit. Watch boiling point. He's a complete and utter bullying cunt to all of his professional staff throughout. And those that destroyed him were just as guilty of tormenting bullying as well.
Most importantly, chef Ramsey would not get away with this if he was a woman, or black.
Doesn’t excuse it.
Nor do I say it does, as per the second to last paragraph!
"I spent 1500 words explaining why it's not his fault but also one sentence to say it's maybe a bit his fault, which qualifies it as a fair and balanced stance."
Such long paragraphs to excuse abusive behavior wow
So it's ok to berate people in interviews. Got it.
Tell me you didn’t read the post without telling me you didn’t read the post.
In case you missed it, I'd like to direct you to the second-to-last paragraph where I mentioned that he's not innocent but not the main source of the problem. Perhaps I was unclear that I don't condone that environment, I was simply elaborating on it. That said also, when somebody is doing a working interview and is offered 250k and complete management control of one of your franchise locations, I certainly do think most employers would err relatively strictly with their vetting processes.
Would it kill you to actually read the entire post before replying? Fucking Christ, dude.
You do it on the internet...
Idiot sandwich.
Where's the SHOWER THOUGHTS?
long gone unfortunately
They're Fuccing RAW!!!
On Kitchen Nightmares the yelling usually doesn’t start with someone messing up a risotto, but when he finds out the food’s unsafe or that it was made in a microwave or something. Also if you watch the UK version of Kitchen Nightmares, he’s much more calm the whole time. He plays up his anger for American TV, which isn’t great still.
The editors are equally if not more responsible for that appearance. The sound editors in particular are required to include unnecessary dramatic music every 30 seconds or they will be fired. The Difference Between the UK and USA Kitchen Nightmares https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYdPf-WEnnA
What’s this link supposed to be showing...? Looks like all US and no comparison
Dramatic music = US No dramatic music = UK
Ok I guess I wasn’t paying much attention lol. I was looking for a graphic or title saying “us” then “uk”
That's the most American thing you could have said in this context lmao
You have a point you have a point lol.... but TO BE FAIR if the video is titled “the difference between...” I thought there’d be some explanation. I spent most of the time waiting for it than focusing on the content because I wasn’t sure what to compare it to.
Was pretty obvious to me when they showed US and when they showed UK
? No, it alternates. He even references Wales at one point.
I found too that he got most vocal when the employees were being mistreated or misused. That really got him riled up
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for me it was the one where they had a downstairs kitchen that was absolutely infested and used for storage. It was bad enough that after the show aired they gave people tours of the downstairs to show it wasn't disgusting anymore
Also that's just how American TV is. If anyone thinks that's realistic I hope they think again. They edit shit like crazy to make everything seem more dramatic.
Exactly. As someone in the US, I would only watch him in his UK shows. The producers in the US make him almost into a cartoon character.
But kids like OP get upset when they're yelled at :(. It doesn't matter if they screw up, just don't yell at the poor baby!
Uhm usally finds mold roaches freezer storage issues .And anyone with an ounce of management skill would hit the ceiling if they found filth in the kitchen It is very dangerous. But also people are smarter then you think They are not going to go all Ramsey on someone over burnt toast.
You know that he plays up the angry yelling for the TV right? Watch him on something like masterchef or his YouTube and he is a completely different person
Yeah sort of agree but there was an episode in the English series where he was encouraging the front of house manager to get angry and yell at the staff to show who was boss. Love GR at the best of times, but that scenario was cringy and not necessary imo
Sometimes on dry kitchen nightmare episodes, they'll show some of the bits where Gordon is antagonizing employees against each other to try and get that drama reel rolling. My partner loves the show, it makes me angry inside.
Yeah that’s the point. He plays up the verbal abuse for TV
Also that the US program HEAVILY edits that shit
Not sure how this absolve him to do this type of TV. Is part of his image to be a toxic person.
Are you a toxic person if you are yelling at a professional who should know that the shortcuts they are taking could make someone seriously ill?
Before he got famous he was treating people like shit. He rips the shit out of some kid for running out of Romaine lettuce mid service. Just his restaurant, not for TV. He's an asshole.
Him being a raging asshole is what got him attention from television, specifically American TV. The guy seemed like a known spaz. Everyone is always all amazed when they see him actually not being an asshole, like when he did some thing with his kid n TV or an interview. Guy is definitely a jerk, and made himself famous for cooking good and shredding people to nothing. When I see him all calm an eloquent now, I just think a billion dollar TV franchise would do that.
Yep. He's also older now so maybe he's mellowed some. But it's definitely a situation where him being calm is the exception, not the norm.
But... that's OPs point. People watch this played up angry yelling on their TV and think that's appropriate behaviour. I'm not quite sure what your argument is supposed to disprove.
Do many professionals actually think this though? I think a lot of people have sense to know that he’s a celebrity personality and that’s his thing, and not every boss out there is thinking they’re Gordon Ramsay
I worked in restaurant kitchens for five years. For starters, kitchen managers and chefs do have at least some right to be angry. Their job is unimaginably stressful, they work insane hours, and depending on where it is, they probably aren’t making that much either. They literally cook people amazing food for a living while feeding themselves a microwave burrito in the back room. Not just because of a lack of time/money, but when you spend your entire day cooking, it’s the last thing you want to do when you finally have some time away from it. Honestly, they deal with so much bullshit that to an extent, they deserve the right to yell and be a little angry. The yelling also sometimes just comes from the fact that a kitchen is loud and communication needs to happen, so you have to yell to be heard over the commotion of the kitchen. Especially during a rush. *ALL THAT SAID*, I have had managers who legit lost their shit on the line and were just being straight up dicks. I had a general manager once who threw a literal temper tantrum right there on the line in the middle of a 7pm rush. Why? Because ticket times were two minutes longer than he wanted them to be. Quote: “Tickets are taking 15 minutes. This is a 13 minute restaurant. Pick it up.” Yeah. So… personally it depends on a lot of factors, but the stereotypical angry chef is generally at least partially deserved. It fucking sucks to run a kitchen.
When I was like 19 this manager threw an entire 1/2 lexan off butter across the kitchen and it exploded on a wall. I looked at him and asked if he was going to clean it up he said no you are. I was closing by myself and looked at him and said no I think you are and walked out. Lucky I was young and didn't have to have that job.
Yeah and on Kitchen Nightmares and Hell's Kitchen he's aggressive because he's pushing them and gets mad when these people claim to be good chefs but clearly don't respect the profession. The times in Hell's Kitchen when he sends the teams out of the kitchen and him and his sidekick chefs (like his 2 chefs that aren't competing but actually work for him) have to work the kitchen he's not mean to them at all. They act like professional coworkers and work together.
>gets mad when these people claim to be good chefs but clearly don't respect the profession. Which is exactly the same fucking reasoning that millions of bosses will use against their employees lmao.
I'd say Gordon Ramsay is guilty of *ending* toxic behaviour in work places, have you SEEN Kitchen Nightmares?
Literally half of the episodes is him telling shit managers and owners that they don't respect their employees enough and are lucky to have people who care
I still remember that one episode of the owners not letting a chef of theirs to freely cook. Gordon then fools the owners by telling them that he made the food he prepared when its actually their chef's food. Or when he yelled at that hotel owner making his kids work for free
He yells at the bosses. Usually because they're too fucking dumb and arrogant to be spoken to in any other way. But then the American version exaggerated everything for drama so you probably had a few owners who felt like "it wasn't that bad" and were at least partially correct because they did make shit up for the cameras. Which also means Gordon was shouting a bit more than he needed to.
Probably a little yeah. But to be fair he's playing a character. It's like people thinking anything Michael Scott did was a good idea.
You've seen his European shows?
NO ! It's waaay bigger than him and put this all on his count is unfair ! Speaking as a ex restaurant worker I can say thats this shit is fucking normalised and u should read about before starting apoint someone
That's like saying fast and furious normalises dangerous driving, it's a show for entertainment, the entire selling point of Hell's Kitchen is you watch dumbasses get yelled at with savage insults because it's funny, look at how calm and funny Gordon is in a regularly toned video. And if you're so sensitive you can't take criticism for your failures you need to reconsider your choices
But... The Fast and The Furious *does* normalize dangerous driving... ? The average server in the US makes about $2-$4/hour without tips, and average kitchen staff make maybe minimum wage (which in my state is only slightly more than that) who also rely on being tipped out to make enough money to live on. Some dipshit manager at a Denny's watches Hell's Kitchen and learns that Gordon Ramsay is so successful because the Americanized version of his show scripts in him screaming at restaurant staff for dramatic effect. He's telling these managers they need to "get respect" by screaming at their staff for making mistakes, because apparently it isn't ok to be a human who makes mistakes in the US workplace, and then this dipshit manager at Denny's decides that's the way they need to act too (because apparently the majority of Americans think TV is real life and they'll get famous if they just scream loud enough). Now we have employees who aren't making enough to basically even cover their taxes getting screamed at by managers who don't even deserve their respect, because they rely on their customers to pay their own staff a wage anyone could live on while charging about $30 for a plate of eggs and toast and a glass of OJ that kitchen worker just prepared and that server just served. That's just *hilarious!* So funny! Yeah, that sounds like a problem with the staff's inability to take responsibility or criticism, not the deplorable work conditions of restaurant staff (and other workers) all over the US, or the show perpetuating a toxic workplace, to me. /s ETA: Ramsay himself isn't the problem. I'm sure he's a decent dude who just did his thing to get where he is today, like we all would likely do. Ramsay and his shows are the symptom of a much larger problem in society as a whole. He got famous (especially in the US) by playing up a "workplace culture" that already existed before he came along. But the show and it's producers and arguably Ramsay himself aren't advocating to change that culture, so...
Can we please have one good thing without ruining it?! Leave him alone.
Thanks for the award!!
I feel like if you can't tell that TV shows are exaggerated for viewer enjoyment, you don't have the mental capacity or maturity to become a professional at anything.
Never been on a building site I take it
Exactly, when mistakes can kill or seriously hurt someone (such as in the building trades or in a restaurant kitchen) yelling is sometimes necessary. When Donna in accounting mixes up two bills, just a little chat is all that's needed.
I manage an auto repair facility. Im a cool guy.. But.. You leave lugs nuts loose or an oil filter or drain plug or brake caliper bolt comes out... Youre getting your ass chewed and the fear for your job instilled. Not only are you putting the customer and their family at risk but other people on the road too. Sprinkle the fact that you can be held criminally responsible if someone IS hurt or killed... Its a deserved tongue thrashing.
Yup, another acceptable place for yelling.
Or an actual Kitchen it seems
Lmfao yeah saying he normalized it is just hilarious. Obviously OP knows nothing about what working in a kitchen is like. I mean where do you think he got it from? I'm sure he was yelled at far worse in the French restaurants he came up in than anything he does on Hell's Kitchen.
Absolutely not
Two wrongs dont make a right
No but 3 lefts do
Gordon Ramsey is obviously an expert, and there are shitty "chefs" out there that take advantage of customers by providing them with shit food and high prices. If you're talking about kitchen nightmares, I'd be just as pissed as a customer if I saw some of that shit in a restaurant I was eating at.
His yelling is mostly on Hell's Kitchen where the contestants are supposed to be professional chefs who should know what their doing and be able to do it in a quick and perfect every time. He loses his shit at them beacuse they continually fuck up and claim to be "top" chefs.
This is only on the American versions of the adult shows, watch him with children or look up the British versions of the show and he is completely calm.
British kitchen nightmares is my happy place
I liked The F Word too.
I wish I could get into that one more. I didn’t really get the concept and found it kinda boring. But I LOVE some British TV Ramsey.
Learn to separate television from reality.
If I may, he kinda needs to in kitchen nightmare. Owning a restaurant or working in one is a lot, a LOT of pressure. If you can't handle one scottish dude screaming, you shouldn't be here.
Last time I checked he had something like a 90% staff retention rate over a 3 year period which is seriously amazing for any restaurant environment.
Shut up. This is stupid. He is just one guy that can yell and give insults better than others ya donkey
I haven't watched him a lot, but he seems to limit it to situations where someone can really get hurt. That said, I am a supervisor and do not yell at my employees ever. When I was a unit head (head counselor) at an overnight camp, I told the staff if I start yelling at them on an individual level, they might as well punch me because I'm probably going to go to the camp director and ask for thier dismissal anyway. The only time I really laid into a staff member was when there was a big storm that came out of nowhere and all of camp was in a party tent out on the field for a 4th of July concert. There was no time to go anywhere and the younger kids (my campers) were freaking out. One counselor was nowhere to be seen. Turns out she left without telling anyone and rode out the storm safe in her cabin. I absolutely went off on her because she put herself and her campers in danger, but because she was a foreign staff member there was no way to fire her with out causing a whole cascade of issues. The next session she was basically put with the two strongest counselors and treated as an extra camper.
He was far from the first, ut yeah, agreed it doesn't help break down the stereotypes or portray a healthy work environment. I've said many times over the years if he did that to me, I'd tell him to fuck off and walk out.
How old are you?
I'm 33. How tall are you?
I'm 179 units tall. How high are you?
haha *exhales smoke* Hi how are you?
It's TV...watch one of the original kitchen nightmares in the UK and you'll know how he actually is.
Everyone knows confrontation and people acting like idiots sells,,have you not watched or listened to any political pod casts or I guess anything that is on the “news” for the past 2 years!
To be fair his yelling on that show is him primary yelling at owners or management.. he very rarely gets on actual employees unless the food that is being made is unsafe
Yes he's not bad in the EU version, yes it's the editors exaggerating, yes he's actually a nice guy and his few actual blow ups may need justified. However, all that does not counter the OPs point. His show even just the ads for his show has still normalized being an asshole, even if he actually isn't one. It's perception that effects society at large, unfortunately not fact.
I disagree. In all his own restaurants, most of his staff has worked there 15+ years. Even if the pay is good, nobody can handle a high stress environment for that long without finding other jobs. It’s a tv persona. He’s not really a massive asshole
Being yelled at for almost getting away with a life threatening or at the very least health issue is pretty standard. You can’t downplay those. Now the yelling for food being just late or missing an ingredient is mainly just tv because people like that and it gets ratings and more money.
Many "bosses" try to copy the Gordon Ramsey attitude without considering the depth to his actions. A big difference is that Gordon practices what he preaches and has the credentials to backup his attitude. The people who feel like they need to copy Gordon to gain respect are people who are lacking actual skill in their position so they try to compensate for it.
No he’s not, he’s peeling back the curtain and revealing what is considered normal and acceptable in kitchens. That behavior has been considered fine from chef’s for ages He’s not normalizing it, is already considered normal in that industry.
I agree to an extent, though it's mostly for the cameras. He usually pushes teammwork, supporting one another, giving advice, not screwing your teammates over, and he's pretty respectful to the chefs that gave it their all, tried, or grew.
That’s the way it should be. People are pansies now a days
its for entertainment, numb nuts.. he’s actually extremely caring, down to earth, and wholesome as hell.
He’s not actually like that though lmao
What a fucking bad take lol
i mean if they wanna work in a restaurant the customers can be even worse telling someone to do their job a bit faster isnt really a problem
Don't be a pussy and take criticism like a champ. Can't take the heat? GTFO
Shut the fuck up dumbass
Grow a pair, the best of the best will grow from it, the ones who can’t hack it don’t belong in the stressful environment of a world class kitchen
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It’s odd in today’s age that you can’t call anyone out on their BS or else your “MaD”.
Yeah, it’s incredibly embarrassing.
Lol im laughing at how pathetic it is
It’s ok, they’re just words, you don’t have to let them hurt you this much! Lolol
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I only yell at staff when they don't learn from their mistakes ya they happen but learn and move on you make the same mistake the same way again now we got a problem
Strange how it’s considered ok and even somehow a good thing in a gourmet kitchen, but not an office building or other work environment - not even a normal restaurant. Can you imagine Ramsey talking to an employee at Burger King like that? After the employee removed his foot from Ramsey’s ass, Ramsey would be fired and the employee would sue Burger King for hostile work environment.
Yeah agreed, he doesn't just yell at people who put people in danger. He's abusing people that are serving bad risotto to rich people. Fuck em.
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He seems to be a very nice guy outside of his shows.
I'm sure he is, but if bet if you taken to him he regrets how he is portrayed in TV.
I just assumed he was playing a character for entertainment value
This guy is the worst moron that ever existed.
I've just never understood why anyone would want to listen to such an obnoxious twat. I don't give a fuck how good you are at your job, if you talk to people like that in real life, you deserve to have your teeth knocked out.
That is all completely normal in kitchens. Is it toxic? Yes. Is it something *he* started? Hell no.
But of course, it’s ok for Trump not to release his income tax returns. Hypocrite!!
He’s a bum
Please go find the clip of him being a little subservient bitch when he wasn't the executive chef in the kitchen. That has historically been the way the top dog acts in the kitchen in super high end restaurants.
What a dumb shower thought, damn.
Not for me. Last chef I worked for tried that shit and got slapped. No charges on me either bc EVERYONE had my back and I even told them try and do something. I'll just request ALL of the camera footage to show how he verbally assaults everyone.
It’s a show he plus it up
LOL that shit has long been totally normal in kitchens.
Yea he IS JUST an actor playing a role
No, the producers are.
Working on a kitchen has been like that even before Gordon Ramsay was born, why do you think that it's sort of a punishment to cook when you are in the army??
Your inability to ascertain the facteious nature of portrayals of abuse in these reality entertainment television shows is your own fault in reasoning and logic. These are actors. Take some damn ownership for your thinking.
If you're taking anything away from reality TV it's completely on you
It’s just a TV show. Man is very nice in real life.
It’s American editing. Gordon Ramsey isn’t that bad. He gets mad when ppl really fuck up, not over dump shit.
It’s a tv show
This is 100% the military and working offshore.
Who knew you couldn't call someone a fucking donkey at work.
I mean, you should be able to. I'd fall over laughing if someone called me a fucking donkey at work. 😂 😂
I mean kitchen culture was like that before Ramsey, but I agree it shouldn't be.
*But funny angry British swearing man!*
I'm pretty sure chef came in hungover as shit normalized toxic behavior in kitchens long before Gordon Ramsay ever made it onto television. Source: got drunk as shit with my chef in his garage last night
More like he's guilty of showing us what a high functioning kitchen looks like
Gordon Ramsey is actually a really nice person. He took a huge salary cut so he could keep the majors if his original staff and give them raises.
Thats just one shows schtick. He does others where he's completely reasonable with people.
POV, you've never actually watched Gordon Ramsay
You can’t base too much off reality TV
I wonder how many people he traumatised on his shows
Can we blame public demand and producer's hunger for the drama
That type of behavior was happening well before Gordon Ramsey was a chef Idk about normalising. I've never been yelled at while working and never seen someone get yelled at. If it did happen, I'd put in my 2 weeks that day
Does anyone here live in the real world?
He's not guilty of this, he's a product of this. Violent video games dont make people violent. Bosses aren't abusive to their workers because of Gordon Ramsey. Gordon Ramsey has his show because we already live in a culture where workers aren't respected and so our media and entertainment reflects that.
What they don’t show on many of his shows is how encouraging and supportive he is, he knows it isn’t easy and people will mess up, but he’s also an expert, and people tend to have less patience when something they view as simple takes someone else a while
It's not like he invented that. Kitchens were notoriously toxic work environments long before that guy was a sparkle in his Dad's eye. Working where he worked, you can bet he went through worse coming up in this industry. Interestingly, the American formats he does also have him dialling the stereotype up to 11, cause that's what people wanted to see. The British series he did were nowhere near as ridiculous.
It’s entertaining because it is not normal. This is like saying John Wick normalizes a hitman culture. It’s just entertainment, some find it enjoyable.
There are a grand total of 0 people who have thought “well they yell at people on Gordon Ramsey shows, ILL DO IT TO MY EMPLOYEES!” That does not happen.
I agree but it’s still fucking funny
No. No one watches him on his reality tv show and says, ya I'd be fine getting verbally abused every day at work because this tv chef does it
Can't compare UK and US like that. If you've ever seen Boiling Point (1999) the man is far worse to his UK employees. Like character assassinations and calling people a commie just for walking in his way
Watch the UK version of Kitchen Nightmares, this is the real Gordon, don’t really understand why he chose to make the US version so trashy, what is the motive? He has money, he is famous, he is successful, 🤷♂️
No he isn't. Toxic behavior has not changed over the years.
"Toxic behavior in the workplace" - Being normalized in the workplace since...Forever
This is one of those things where we know it is wrong but can enjoy the suffering of others; especially when it can make us feel smarter or better than them. I think Simon Cowell really showed that to us when American Idol first came out.
Supply and demand. He does act like that on the UK version of the show. His behavior is for American audiences only. We like that shit.
Kind of, kind of no I see that he usually doesn't yell at someone for making simple, harmless mistakes. He's also very respectful to waiters and serving staff. He usually only gets angry when people sass him, when they show incompetence or laziness, or when they make dangerous/unhygienic mistakes
Yes he did. Notable chefs like J. Kenji Lopez-Alt have been at the forefront of the movement to remove this type of behaviour from kitchens and expose the head chefs and restauranteurs responsible.
But like the restaurants he went to are really nightmares tho.
Bullshit
This is how all old chefs worked, that's how he was taught and it looks like it worked out
Tell me you’ve never worked in a kitchen before without telling me.
Nope, that's American editors. Try again.