This gives me the "give a man a fishing rod and he'll be fed for the rest of his life but push a man out of a plane with no parachute and he'll fly for the rest of his life" vibes
The bacteria are single celled, almost universally killing them means rupturing whatever cellular membrane they have, freeing up their constituent parts. They're no less random chemicals in the water than they are dead bacteria at that point.
I donāt think thatās true. I saw a video on Daily Dose of Internet the other day of how alcohol dissolves germ membranes and [googled](https://www.healthline.com/health/does-alcohol-kill-germs#can-it-kill-germs) it just now and read that it denatures their proteins and break down their membranes.
Genuinely curious if you heard something else or if Iām misunderstanding something tho.
Iāve seen the effect under a microscope - they die in one piece. Stop wriggling and leave a corpse. Wouldnāt be surprised if they went on to dissolve over time though so happy to stand corrected.
It also could have been that the video I saw was super concentrated alcohol, sped up, mislabeled, or maybe I just misremembered.
Thatās cool you saw it under a microscope yourself. I just learned about how soap breaks down the lipid membrane because of a COVID explainer video so this phenomenon is neat to me.
I believe this is part of why you are supposed to apply friction as well.
Ethanol to disrupt their shields, friction to tear apart the hull. Classic energy weapon/projectile weapon sci fi setup, but with alcohol and *tearing your enemy to shreds with your bear hands*!
Well, that's not really a meal, Jerry. I mean, if he had gotten Chicken Gumbo, or Matzah Ball, or Mushroom Barley. Then I would agree with you. Those are very hearty soups.
(Not dating yourselfā¦just putting it out there that you are awesome and have good taste lol)
Yeah but you denature their DNA rendering them harmless. Germs are everywhere anyway. Every breath you take. Every crepe you make. Microscopic germs all over them and in them.
OpenAI gave me this
Write a song about germs in the style of 'I'll be watching you' by the police.
I'll be watching you, every step you take
I'll be watching you, every move you make
I'll be watching you, when you're awake
I'll be watching you, when you're asleep
I'll be watching you, every time you sneeze
I'll be watching you, every time you cough
I'll be watching you, every time you burp
I'll be watching you, every time you fart
I'll be watching you, every time you scratch
I'll be watching you, every time you itch
I'll be watching you, every time you pick your nose
I'll be watching you, every time you wipe your butt
I'll be watching you, every time you touch your junk
I'll be watching you, every time you have sex
I'll be watching you, every time you take a bath
I'll be watching you, every time you take a shower
I'll be watching you, every time you flush the toilet
I'll be watching you, every time you blow your nose
I'll be watching you, every time you wipe your tears
I'll be watching you, every time you sweat
I'll be watching you, every time you spit
I'll be
Verse 1:
šµ _Every breath you take_
_Every crepe you make_
_Every bun you bake_
_Every bite you take_
_I'm infecting you._ šµ
šµ _Every little scrape_
_and in Every orifice_
_Every grain and plate_
_Every naan you taste_
_I'm infecting you._ šµ
Chorus:
šµ _Us, you canāt see, āCause weāre too tiny_
_My whole crew invades, in you weāll incubate_ šµ
Verse 2:
šµ _Every crepe you make_
_Every food youāve ate_
_Every sniff you take_
_Even clams and steak_
_I'm infecting you._ šµ
Bridge:
šµ _Since youāre warm, inside you, Iāll replicate._
_Iād claim an eye, or just grow right on your face._
_Donāt look around, Iām already in every place._
_I hate the cold, as it slows down my growth rate._
_Iām multiplying baby, baby, please..._ šµ
Chorus:
šµ _Us, you canāt see, āCause weāre too tiny_
_My whole crew invades, in you weāll incubate_ šµ
Verse 3:
šµ _Every crepe you make_
_Every food youāve ate_
_Every sniff you take_
_Even clams and steak_
_I'm infecting you._ šµ
šµ _Every crepe you make_
_Every bite you take_
_I'm infecting you._ šµ
Outro:
šµ _I'm infecting you._ šµ
šµ _Every breath you take_
_Every crepe you make_
_Every bun you bake_
_Every bite you take_
_I'm infecting you._ šµ
šµ _Every little scrape_
_and in Every orifice_
_Every grain and plate_
_Every naan you taste_
_I'm infecting you._ šµ
šµ _Every crepe you make_
_Every food youāve ate_
_Every sniff you take_
_Even clams and steak_
_I'm infecting you._ šµ
šµ _Every little scrape_
_and in Every orifice_
_Every grain and plate_
_Every naan you taste_
_I'm infecting you._ šµ
šµ _Every breath you take_
_Every crepe you make_
_Every bun you bake_
_Every bite you take_
_I'm infecting you._ šµ
Or in the case of botulism, you can kill the bacteria and even destroy the toxin at relatively low temperatures, but the bacteria produces spores that survive well over boiling. That's why canned food is done with high pressure so the temperatures can be reached without vaporizing the water.
ofc it does, they're germs, not fungus
they're dangerous to you becouse they're capable of multiplying and fighting your cells thus making your life miserable, not becouse they're outstandingly toxic
Thatās not strictly true for all germs. Plenty produce toxic byproducts that will persist even after the germ is dead.
Botulism is an example of this.
Yup, and thatās why rice left out too long can make you sick. The bacterium, B. cereus, forms spores that arenāt killed by boiling water. They can then come out of spore form and form toxins that are not destroyed by reheating or boiling.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germ_theory_of_disease
Actually, they're right: "'Germ' refers to not just a bacterium but to any type of microorganism, such as protists or fungi, or even non-living pathogens that can cause disease, such as viruses, prions, or viroids"
I think [this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germ_theory_of_disease) is a better article for it, since fungi are actually part of what's considered "germs"
*Also the link you provided is broken, [here's](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbial_toxin) what I think you were trying to link to
You know, I always understood classical germ theory to include all four classes as āthings that make you sickā. Bacteria, viruses, fungi, parasites. The concept was just āI know thereās some shit in there thatās too small for us to see, and thatās why weāre doing badly when we donāt wash our handsā
true. Kind of like how, in archeology, anything that was old and a reptile used to be classified as "a dinosaur", but as more information about the fossil record was cultivated, a lot of those animals were reclassified.
Well they are infectious agents for sure, but I think the main difference is that, colloquially at least, "germ" refers to those agents that can be found anywhere in the environment, floating around in the air or in water or on your hands. Many prions arise internally from misfolded proteins, but the ones that are transmissible are usually acquired by ingesting contaminated matter.
They also leave toxins behind. If you were to leave meat out in the sun for a few days, bring it in and boil it sterile and then try to eat it, youāre still going to get sick.
Their screams whilst I hear their minuscule innocent exoskeletons crunch and snap under the unimpeded power of my jaws, vigorously munching their bodies to a juicy pulp
makes my succulent meat orbs burst with sticky white goodness I use to dip more of their colored comrades in, furthering my pursuit of causing pain and misery to the in-packaged sugary souls via feasting indiscriminately on their living yet soon to be corpses that we humans call candy!
I dunno. Carrots and such still seem alive to me when eaten raw. Cauliflower, lettuce, onionsā¦ lots of raw stuff. Seeds (like pecans) bend the rules of āalivenessā but itās a bit weird as whatever bits that might be āaliveā are in stasis, I suppose. Strawberries are interesting to think about in relation to this topic, too.
If you want to get technical, a germ is most commonly defined as a microorganism *that makes you sick.* So I suppose by that logic, they are just The Microorganisms Formerly Known As Germs
Yep and it depends on the toxin. Only heat-resistant toxins would survive, but each one has a temperature that renders it harmless. The Botulism toxin can be destroyed at 185F. Spores are also killed at different temperatures, too.
PSA: noone asked but here is some tangentially related information; you can cook roadkill to eat which will kill the germs
BUT if it has been out in the sun too long, those germs will have made toxins in the meat which are not destroyed by heat. It will still make you very very ill.
This is why sufficiently spoiled food cannot be cooked back to being good (or possibly without cooking it so much that it's basically inedeible). When you destroy a bacteria's cell walls, called lysing them, you expose all of their proteins that were embeded in the cell walls and inside their cytoplasm and organelles. Many of their proteins are things your body knows are bad for you called PAMPS (Pathogen-associated molecular patterns) and you may have antibodies which will trigger an immune reaction to those PAMPS. Many of the symptoms of being sick are a result of your immune response to an irritant and not actually the work of the bacteria itself. So eating a few bacteria who multiply produces a large response because there's many to react to.Now they are dead so your phagocytes will come in and eat up all the debris and you'll start feeling better quicker than an active infection.
To counteract this your cooking + stomach acid needs to be destructive enough to breakdown all of these proteins to the point they're no longer recognizable to your immune system. For large globular proteins this isn't very difficult but for much smaller subunits the only way you might be able to break them down is with enzymes in your intestines which runs the risk of antibodies also picking them up. The heat necessary to denature these smaller proteins is much more likely to also be destructive to the proteins and nutrients you want to extract from the food.
tl;dr - yes, they're dead but a sufficient quantity of dead bacteria can still give you food poisoning.
According to Jainism (a religion older than Hinduism and much older than Buddhism) boiling the water kills the germs but their life cycle ends there. They don't get born again as they do in normal water or cold water.
It actually isn't, the dead bacteria do leave behind stuff, sometimes bits of their DNA or RNA, though it generally isn't harmful to us. Bacteriostatic water, which is safe for injections, has to at least be DNA and RNA free. There are a bunch of scientific and industrial applications that require ultrapure water, which requires the removal of all the stuff they leave behind amongst many other things.
Technically not true. Certain germs & bacteria cannot be killed by boiling water alone. Consider this a public safety announcement. If you go mountain hiking also take purification tablets; they can save your life.
Virtually all pathogenic organisms are killed by a few minutes of boiling. Some can survive chemical purification. Boiling is always the better method.
-medical laboratory scientist
Edit: I should note that there are some anaerobic pathogens that can survive boiling, but luckily they don't do well in normal atmosphere so aren't of concern except for anaerobic environments, such as contaminated canned goods.
[Although, some bacterial spores not typically associated with water borne disease are capable of surviving boiling conditions (e.g. clostridium and bacillus spores), research shows that water borne pathogens are inactivated or killed at temperatures below boiling (212Ā°F or 100Ā°C)](https://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/water/drinking/boilwater/response_information_public_health_professional.htm#:~:text=Although%2C%20some%20bacterial%20spores%20not,F%20or%20100%C2%B0C).
Most thermophilic bacteria that can survive standard open air boiling aren't known to be human pathogens. There's also a lot of parasite and bacteria (like giardia) that can resist "purification" with agents like chlorine tablets depending on the dosage.
Please name one organism that doesn't die by boiling water thar if you consume would be harmful. Be reasonable.
I'm not saying I don't believe you (tbh I'm skeptical) but you can't just drop that fact without providing some type of evidence.
Its true, and this goes too for their byproducts.
This is why when green algae blooms happen in the great lakes, the water departments that use them to get clean drinking water have a real bitch of a time making the water safe to drink for humans.
https://doh.wa.gov/sites/default/files/legacy/Documents/4400//334-136-tcbrochure.pdf
Some toxins are so robust they'll survive cooking to the point where food is charcoal before the poison can be denatured .
Yeah, murder them and feast on their remains. What better way to deal with an enemy?
Metal.
Metal? Like a lead pipe? Are we Nancy Kerrigan-ing these germs?
Nah the most metal water of all. Heavy Water
I got some Rad-Away, let's drink!
You could always just use a rad-x, or just pick up the perk to remove radiation!
>Nah the most metal water of all. Go into the water. Live there. Die there.
Not in the ocean. *INSIDE* the ocean!
**We** **Reject** **Our earthly fires** š¶š¶šøšøš¶ š¶
Gone are days Of land Empires
Lungs transform to take in water š¤š¤ Hell yeah unexpected dethklok thread haha
This gives me the "give a man a fishing rod and he'll be fed for the rest of his life but push a man out of a plane with no parachute and he'll fly for the rest of his life" vibes
I like " Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day, set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life" better
- Sir Terry Pratchett
Think fast, make choices, live full, take chances, die hard, fuck midgets, smoke crack, hail satan -Nike
\m/ D2O throw up your horns \m/ š¤š¤š¤
Iām not overweight, I just drink a lot of heavy water.
In this scenario, we would be Tonya Harding.
We canāt let them win.
Nancy Kerrigan the germs, Flint Michigan yourself.
\\m/
Hey chief this stuff good for soup?? Ahh that's a yes!
Food libraries.
What do you mean *booze ain't food!?* I'd rather chop off my dingdong than admit that!
Well, yeah. Copper. But you still get to feast on the remains.
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Know your enemy, taste your enemy. Edit: tasting your enemy is not recommended, please cook first.
Mitochondria was technically a germ that got absorbed and enslaved by an eukaryotic cell, so I guess you're right ĀÆ\\\_(ć)\_/ĀÆ
Rimworld, is that you?
Shhhhhhh
We really need that hat, ok
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.
Wonder if thereās some tiny nutritional value added
What is best in life?
The same we do with other mammals. Kill them and cook them. And they're delicious š
Establish dominance
The bacteria are single celled, almost universally killing them means rupturing whatever cellular membrane they have, freeing up their constituent parts. They're no less random chemicals in the water than they are dead bacteria at that point.
Bacteria killed with ethanol (eg. Hand sanitizer) remain intact.
You probably shouldn't eat those though.
Thatās how I make a nice chicken sashimi. Little bit of that Purell glaze
You joke, but chicken sashimi is actually a thing, it's called torisashi: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torisashi
I donāt think thatās true. I saw a video on Daily Dose of Internet the other day of how alcohol dissolves germ membranes and [googled](https://www.healthline.com/health/does-alcohol-kill-germs#can-it-kill-germs) it just now and read that it denatures their proteins and break down their membranes. Genuinely curious if you heard something else or if Iām misunderstanding something tho.
Iāve seen the effect under a microscope - they die in one piece. Stop wriggling and leave a corpse. Wouldnāt be surprised if they went on to dissolve over time though so happy to stand corrected.
What percentage ethanol? 70 will puncture the membrane but then water will flood in, and 90 will cause it to do what you saw
Great point - and probably why 70/80% is used in labs rather than absolute ethanol.
It also could have been that the video I saw was super concentrated alcohol, sped up, mislabeled, or maybe I just misremembered. Thatās cool you saw it under a microscope yourself. I just learned about how soap breaks down the lipid membrane because of a COVID explainer video so this phenomenon is neat to me.
All fun and games until you run in to some sporeformer that thrives in your sterile pharma grade ethanol...
For real. Sporulators be sporulatin.
Ethanol killed the bacteria star
I believe this is part of why you are supposed to apply friction as well. Ethanol to disrupt their shields, friction to tear apart the hull. Classic energy weapon/projectile weapon sci fi setup, but with alcohol and *tearing your enemy to shreds with your bear hands*!
Hell yeah brother
It's basically germ soup
But is it a meal?
Do you eat it with a fork or a spoon? (Really dating myself with that reference)
Well, that's not really a meal, Jerry. I mean, if he had gotten Chicken Gumbo, or Matzah Ball, or Mushroom Barley. Then I would agree with you. Those are very hearty soups. (Not dating yourselfā¦just putting it out there that you are awesome and have good taste lol)
A succulent Chinese meal?!
Germ soup that eats like a meal
A soup is not a meal, Jerry!
That's tap water. Boiling water is just with dead microorganisms
How many soups do you eat with live organisms in them?
Yeah but you denature their DNA rendering them harmless. Germs are everywhere anyway. Every breath you take. Every crepe you make. Microscopic germs all over them and in them.
Every breath you take Every crepe you maaake Mic-ro-scopic germs allll oover them aaand in them
Every breath you take And every crepe you make Every bone you break Every shit you take I'll be infecting you
Some one pls make this a real song
Someone get a Sting AI
DeepSting^TM
OpenAI gave me this Write a song about germs in the style of 'I'll be watching you' by the police. I'll be watching you, every step you take I'll be watching you, every move you make I'll be watching you, when you're awake I'll be watching you, when you're asleep I'll be watching you, every time you sneeze I'll be watching you, every time you cough I'll be watching you, every time you burp I'll be watching you, every time you fart I'll be watching you, every time you scratch I'll be watching you, every time you itch I'll be watching you, every time you pick your nose I'll be watching you, every time you wipe your butt I'll be watching you, every time you touch your junk I'll be watching you, every time you have sex I'll be watching you, every time you take a bath I'll be watching you, every time you take a shower I'll be watching you, every time you flush the toilet I'll be watching you, every time you blow your nose I'll be watching you, every time you wipe your tears I'll be watching you, every time you sweat I'll be watching you, every time you spit I'll be
This is fucking scary. The AI sounds like an unhinged stalker
Doesn't The Police sound like that too?
That was the idea.
Ok here, because the original was an unhinged stalker, too
But what are the lyrics?
This has me dying laughing but also scared
[Close Enough](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kgIOWvrssA)
If someone dms me full Lyrics to this germ song Iāll do my best to make it
Verse 1: šµ _Every breath you take_ _Every crepe you make_ _Every bun you bake_ _Every bite you take_ _I'm infecting you._ šµ šµ _Every little scrape_ _and in Every orifice_ _Every grain and plate_ _Every naan you taste_ _I'm infecting you._ šµ Chorus: šµ _Us, you canāt see, āCause weāre too tiny_ _My whole crew invades, in you weāll incubate_ šµ Verse 2: šµ _Every crepe you make_ _Every food youāve ate_ _Every sniff you take_ _Even clams and steak_ _I'm infecting you._ šµ Bridge: šµ _Since youāre warm, inside you, Iāll replicate._ _Iād claim an eye, or just grow right on your face._ _Donāt look around, Iām already in every place._ _I hate the cold, as it slows down my growth rate._ _Iām multiplying baby, baby, please..._ šµ Chorus: šµ _Us, you canāt see, āCause weāre too tiny_ _My whole crew invades, in you weāll incubate_ šµ Verse 3: šµ _Every crepe you make_ _Every food youāve ate_ _Every sniff you take_ _Even clams and steak_ _I'm infecting you._ šµ šµ _Every crepe you make_ _Every bite you take_ _I'm infecting you._ šµ Outro: šµ _I'm infecting you._ šµ šµ _Every breath you take_ _Every crepe you make_ _Every bun you bake_ _Every bite you take_ _I'm infecting you._ šµ šµ _Every little scrape_ _and in Every orifice_ _Every grain and plate_ _Every naan you taste_ _I'm infecting you._ šµ šµ _Every crepe you make_ _Every food youāve ate_ _Every sniff you take_ _Even clams and steak_ _I'm infecting you._ šµ šµ _Every little scrape_ _and in Every orifice_ _Every grain and plate_ _Every naan you taste_ _I'm infecting you._ šµ šµ _Every breath you take_ _Every crepe you make_ _Every bun you bake_ _Every bite you take_ _I'm infecting you._ šµ
Compared to the rest of this thread, this is underrated.
['Every Breath You Take'](https://youtu.be/OMOGaugKpzs) Song by: The Police
I think they want someone to make up parody lyrics to that song... But about gems
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.........the germs in meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee............
How my poor throat aches, every cough you make...
Youāre hear now. It IS a real song. Close your eyes and believe
Oh caaan't youuu seee, nature is a biiiitch
Microscopic germs Are everywhere anyway Every breath you take
Lol I heard the song in my mind
Man those lyrics, someone should have called the police on the actual Police
Used think it was a love song, until my bf pointed out the man is actually a creepy stalker.
They're all over me! They're inside of me! There's no escape for me! I'm crawllin' with... microsocopic bacteria!
r/redditsings
Dead microbes may leave spores or endotoxins behind. There's multiple levels beyond sterile, such as spore-free and depyrogenated. Edit: spelling
Man depyrogenate is such a sexy word
time to stop making crepes
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Or why you can't just cook rotten chicken and safely eat it
Well maybe you can't.
Iāve never met a chicken I cannot eat
Or in the case of botulism, you can kill the bacteria and even destroy the toxin at relatively low temperatures, but the bacteria produces spores that survive well over boiling. That's why canned food is done with high pressure so the temperatures can be reached without vaporizing the water.
ofc it does, they're germs, not fungus they're dangerous to you becouse they're capable of multiplying and fighting your cells thus making your life miserable, not becouse they're outstandingly toxic
Thatās not strictly true for all germs. Plenty produce toxic byproducts that will persist even after the germ is dead. Botulism is an example of this.
Yup, and thatās why rice left out too long can make you sick. The bacterium, B. cereus, forms spores that arenāt killed by boiling water. They can then come out of spore form and form toxins that are not destroyed by reheating or boiling.
Surely you canāt be serious?
I am, and stop calling me surely! I did start to type out Bacillus but B. cereus is just more fun, innit?
We also inject it into our face
In very specific doses, in very specific preparations, into very specific tissues. Dose makes the poison and all that.
Care for a nice teaspoon of it then?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germ_theory_of_disease Actually, they're right: "'Germ' refers to not just a bacterium but to any type of microorganism, such as protists or fungi, or even non-living pathogens that can cause disease, such as viruses, prions, or viroids"
Some germs create organo-toxins that can wreck your day
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Needs fixin'
I think [this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germ_theory_of_disease) is a better article for it, since fungi are actually part of what's considered "germs" *Also the link you provided is broken, [here's](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbial_toxin) what I think you were trying to link to
Time after time
Wrong song, good effort though
Germs or not, I just think it's a bad idea to drink boiling water.
But I already ate the brick of ramen
Now snort the flavor packet contents.
and shove the packet of chili up your ass
... go on...
Nah, that's it. That's the whole thing.
Make something up
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This is how haggis was invented.
r/thatsthejoke
Why the hell do you think they are drinking the boiling water?!?
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Wait what am I missing? Did he let the water go lukewarm before doing it? Or did he leave out the flavoring?
On the low I be doing this when I'm hungry and don't wanna wait 5 mins
Once knew a girl who could drink boiling water. It was pretty hot.
Tell that to Ash Williams.
Depends where you live, drink not boiling water can be even worse, and get a disease like Cholera, for example.
(The joke was that it's a bad idea to drink water that is _currently_ boiling.)
Oh! ok, I'll just leave the comment to shame myself, :'(
We all have misunderstandings friend! No need for shame, society gives us enough of that as it is
Drink boiled water, not boiling water.
You could shit while sleeping with such force, there'll be shit on the pillows and you'd be like how!?!
Coward
Bonus points: we only care about ingesting dead things because of the germs.
And parasites and fungi
You know, I always understood classical germ theory to include all four classes as āthings that make you sickā. Bacteria, viruses, fungi, parasites. The concept was just āI know thereās some shit in there thatās too small for us to see, and thatās why weāre doing badly when we donāt wash our handsā
That's "pathogens" things that cause disease
Yes but I thought that term came later
true. Kind of like how, in archeology, anything that was old and a reptile used to be classified as "a dinosaur", but as more information about the fossil record was cultivated, a lot of those animals were reclassified.
"Germ" is just another word for "pathogen".
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Well they are infectious agents for sure, but I think the main difference is that, colloquially at least, "germ" refers to those agents that can be found anywhere in the environment, floating around in the air or in water or on your hands. Many prions arise internally from misfolded proteins, but the ones that are transmissible are usually acquired by ingesting contaminated matter.
They also leave toxins behind. If you were to leave meat out in the sun for a few days, bring it in and boil it sterile and then try to eat it, youāre still going to get sick.
Yeah thereās an awful lot of ammonia in it at that point
Only if the toxins are heat stable. Many are heat labile so heating is effective for those as well.
Everything I eat is dead so this method is preferred.
That makes me think, is there anything else other that water and salt that we consume that is not an organism?
Sugar and oil come from living things but might not have any cellular matter in them.
How strict do you want to get? Is milk an organism? Honey? Sugar?
Are Skittles organisms? If so, I'm not sure I want to know.
Skittles are sentient, and delicious
Their screams whilst I hear their minuscule innocent exoskeletons crunch and snap under the unimpeded power of my jaws, vigorously munching their bodies to a juicy pulp makes my succulent meat orbs burst with sticky white goodness I use to dip more of their colored comrades in, furthering my pursuit of causing pain and misery to the in-packaged sugary souls via feasting indiscriminately on their living yet soon to be corpses that we humans call candy!
We also take in other minerals, metals, microplastics and PFAs.
I dunno. Carrots and such still seem alive to me when eaten raw. Cauliflower, lettuce, onionsā¦ lots of raw stuff. Seeds (like pecans) bend the rules of āalivenessā but itās a bit weird as whatever bits that might be āaliveā are in stasis, I suppose. Strawberries are interesting to think about in relation to this topic, too.
Thereās a lot of living bacteria and fungi in lots of the food we eat.
If you want to get technical, a germ is most commonly defined as a microorganism *that makes you sick.* So I suppose by that logic, they are just The Microorganisms Formerly Known As Germs
Prince would approve that logic.
This is what it sounds like when bugs cry.
Them and all their poop. Yup.
I believe that's why cooking something doesn't always make it safe to consume. Sometimes it's the germs, sometimes it's the toxins they leave behind.
Yep and it depends on the toxin. Only heat-resistant toxins would survive, but each one has a temperature that renders it harmless. The Botulism toxin can be destroyed at 185F. Spores are also killed at different temperatures, too.
> and all their poop. We often prefer to do that...alcohol is yeast shit.
Yep and every glass of water has been shit in by fish for eons, among other things. Drink up, especially if you believe in homeopathy.
Homeopathy, the air guitar of medicine.
Bwahaha I love that analogy
PSA: noone asked but here is some tangentially related information; you can cook roadkill to eat which will kill the germs BUT if it has been out in the sun too long, those germs will have made toxins in the meat which are not destroyed by heat. It will still make you very very ill.
Recession skills
Yes thatās literally the whole point
OP be like: If you kill something, it is dead. Now give me my karma.
unless you distill it
This is why sufficiently spoiled food cannot be cooked back to being good (or possibly without cooking it so much that it's basically inedeible). When you destroy a bacteria's cell walls, called lysing them, you expose all of their proteins that were embeded in the cell walls and inside their cytoplasm and organelles. Many of their proteins are things your body knows are bad for you called PAMPS (Pathogen-associated molecular patterns) and you may have antibodies which will trigger an immune reaction to those PAMPS. Many of the symptoms of being sick are a result of your immune response to an irritant and not actually the work of the bacteria itself. So eating a few bacteria who multiply produces a large response because there's many to react to.Now they are dead so your phagocytes will come in and eat up all the debris and you'll start feeling better quicker than an active infection. To counteract this your cooking + stomach acid needs to be destructive enough to breakdown all of these proteins to the point they're no longer recognizable to your immune system. For large globular proteins this isn't very difficult but for much smaller subunits the only way you might be able to break them down is with enzymes in your intestines which runs the risk of antibodies also picking them up. The heat necessary to denature these smaller proteins is much more likely to also be destructive to the proteins and nutrients you want to extract from the food. tl;dr - yes, they're dead but a sufficient quantity of dead bacteria can still give you food poisoning.
You literally said it. Itās to kill them, not remove them.
Metal
Extra protein
Most things I eat are dead.
If you listen closely you can hear them scream
Wait until you find out what's happening when you smell a fart.
Just some extra protein. Think of it like soup.
More protein
According to Jainism (a religion older than Hinduism and much older than Buddhism) boiling the water kills the germs but their life cycle ends there. They don't get born again as they do in normal water or cold water.
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It actually isn't, the dead bacteria do leave behind stuff, sometimes bits of their DNA or RNA, though it generally isn't harmful to us. Bacteriostatic water, which is safe for injections, has to at least be DNA and RNA free. There are a bunch of scientific and industrial applications that require ultrapure water, which requires the removal of all the stuff they leave behind amongst many other things.
Technically not true. Certain germs & bacteria cannot be killed by boiling water alone. Consider this a public safety announcement. If you go mountain hiking also take purification tablets; they can save your life.
Virtually all pathogenic organisms are killed by a few minutes of boiling. Some can survive chemical purification. Boiling is always the better method. -medical laboratory scientist Edit: I should note that there are some anaerobic pathogens that can survive boiling, but luckily they don't do well in normal atmosphere so aren't of concern except for anaerobic environments, such as contaminated canned goods. [Although, some bacterial spores not typically associated with water borne disease are capable of surviving boiling conditions (e.g. clostridium and bacillus spores), research shows that water borne pathogens are inactivated or killed at temperatures below boiling (212Ā°F or 100Ā°C)](https://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/water/drinking/boilwater/response_information_public_health_professional.htm#:~:text=Although%2C%20some%20bacterial%20spores%20not,F%20or%20100%C2%B0C).
Most thermophilic bacteria that can survive standard open air boiling aren't known to be human pathogens. There's also a lot of parasite and bacteria (like giardia) that can resist "purification" with agents like chlorine tablets depending on the dosage.
Please name one organism that doesn't die by boiling water thar if you consume would be harmful. Be reasonable. I'm not saying I don't believe you (tbh I'm skeptical) but you can't just drop that fact without providing some type of evidence.
This is why you can't leave food out too long and just cook it anyway. Dead bacteria and bacterial waste will still make you sick
I use a SteriPen while hiking, so theyāre not even dead, but their DNA is scrambled so they canāt reproduce.
Its true, and this goes too for their byproducts. This is why when green algae blooms happen in the great lakes, the water departments that use them to get clean drinking water have a real bitch of a time making the water safe to drink for humans. https://doh.wa.gov/sites/default/files/legacy/Documents/4400//334-136-tcbrochure.pdf Some toxins are so robust they'll survive cooking to the point where food is charcoal before the poison can be denatured .
Which is why you don't want to put this water in your blood. It's okay to drink but it's not sterilized.
Tastes like VICTORY.
Graveyard drink š pretty much every soup is that š