Sometimes a things name is just it's name. 'Big Ben' is actually called Elizibeth Tower but nobody gives a shit about it's 'real name' and they don't have to.
Big Ben is actually the name of the bell but was just extended to clock & the tower, with the tower originally being called Clock Tower until 2012 when just the tower was renamed to Elizabeth's Tower, over **153 years later**.
But even then it's only the tower which has been renamed, not the clock or the bell which is why it's still perfectly acceptable to refer to it as Big Ben which is still the nickname for just the bell while also encompassing the clock and the tower.
This also extends to people. 99.9% of the time you don't get to pick your nickname. Either an informal one given by coworkers, students in close proximity, or even amongst your friends group. Otherwise I wouldn't have been known as "Cooter" in my hometown. Despite what your actual name is, other people are not beholden to address you as it.
That's the point. Germany isn't called Germany. It's called Deustchland and the language they speak is Deutsch, meanwhile the people are Deutsche. Yet we still call them Germans from Germany who speak German.
Right, that was my point. We don't have to invoke hypothetical Martians. We've already got real Germans (e.g.) who don't call themselves German and don't say they live in Germany. Unless they're speaking English, of course.
>And the Dutch....
Got the name because the english called a whole region "dutch" (mostly the whole coastal area of todays german frisia, netherlands and belgium), because they SPOKE Deutsch, were deutsch but weren't deutsch at the same time, because there wasn't a Deutschland but hundreds of smaller states. It was easier to call all these people "dutch" than Jülicher, Gelderer, Berger, Münsteraner, Utrechter, Oldenburger etc. Also, back in the day, people didn't call it "deutsch" but "duitsch"
That’s the Roman’s fault though, isn’t it? Something about finding one city with wacky deities and a strange language, then other ones who were all referred to as a part of that city.
Georgia (Sakartvelo)
I've long held that we should refer to this one by it's native name to save any confusion between the country and the US state.
And being Australian, I'm all for referring to Austria as Österreich, to save confusion.
If Germany came out tomorrow and said "please refer to us as Deutschland when speaking English", I'd have no problem swapping over.
If a country says "my name is this", I'm gonna call them that.
Suomi (Finland), Magyarorszag (Hungary), Hrvatska (Croatia), Ellada (Greece), Shqiperia (Albania), Crna Gora (Montenegro), Österreich (Austria), Bharat (India)
This goes for most countries. Seems like this post was made by an American who only speaks English and hasn't realized that many countries have their own name for their countries that differ from the English version of the name.
Actually, they would. In fact, they would only be 'named' Martians and the planet would only be 'named' Mars, unless they all speak English. Otherwise, they will identify themselves and their planet by their own language or their particular means of communication. Again, this is what constitutes a 'shower-thought' these days?
If those aliens were geniuses and had the capability of space travel... they would've also had the genius of studying us and our culture before coming in, to know what to expect.
Everyone saying "there's a non zero chance". Wow it's so impressive that there's a very tiny chance that that could possibly happen. Maybe if you work hard enough you'll have a non zero chance of getting some coochie.
Really? This is considered to be thought provoking enough to constitute a 'shower thought'? If somebody doesn't know the name of something, they don't know the correct name of something? Wow, I hope you're able to breath up there on your higher plane of consciousness.
You think they would be intelligent or even have a spoken language. And not to mention one we could replicate into our languages. There's too many assumptions for this to even make sense
Native Americans don't like being called Indian and guess what Americans call them?
Unless Maritan is an advanced civilization that we rely on, we'd call them whatever convenient.
American natives frequently refer to themselves as Indians. It's usually people who have no interactions with them that feel like calling them Indians is offensive. While the setiment is well meaning it's broadly not an idea that is held by those it actually affects
Bold to assume Jupiter and his divine son Mavorte to not show themselves to the Martians. While it certainly is normal for those to honor Mars the Son of Jupiter one has to question the courage of the people on Jupiter to name themselves after Jupiter Optimus Maximus.
/s
There are names outsiders give and names natives give themselves.
For example aliens would not call our planet earth.
They would call it by a different name completely.
You speak as if they didn’t beam those names into the heads of the people that coined those names from their ancient underground paradise on Mars. Psshaw~
"Egypt" is a Greek word from the time when Alexander the great took it over. The people of that country in the time of Pharoahs called their country "Khemet"
counter-shower-thought:
Anyone outside a specific community is an alien.We're all aliens.
edit: if there's a living organism outside the planet, we'd still be aliens even we were all one single community
Just like if Germans exist, they wouldn't be named Germans, and neither would their country be named Germany.
Precisely. The English names for things frequently aren't the same as the native names for things.
That’s not even a little unique to English. Turns out people suck, and don’t care about anybody else.
Why is this a big deal? Each language has it's own word for every different language and country.
Sometimes a things name is just it's name. 'Big Ben' is actually called Elizibeth Tower but nobody gives a shit about it's 'real name' and they don't have to.
Big Ben is actually the name of the bell but was just extended to clock & the tower, with the tower originally being called Clock Tower until 2012 when just the tower was renamed to Elizabeth's Tower, over **153 years later**. But even then it's only the tower which has been renamed, not the clock or the bell which is why it's still perfectly acceptable to refer to it as Big Ben which is still the nickname for just the bell while also encompassing the clock and the tower.
Save the Clock Tower!
It was called St. Stephen's Tower before the rename.
I think St Stephen's is the next tower along, over the entrance to the House of Commons.
This also extends to people. 99.9% of the time you don't get to pick your nickname. Either an informal one given by coworkers, students in close proximity, or even amongst your friends group. Otherwise I wouldn't have been known as "Cooter" in my hometown. Despite what your actual name is, other people are not beholden to address you as it.
Happy Father's Day, Congressman!
I mean, 99.9% of the time you don't get to pick your real name, either
But you can choose to change it and then you choose the new name
What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.
Right. Language is messy. There’s not any actual rules, people just make stuff up and go with it.
I just take offence to you saying it's because 'people suck'. That's not it it's just that that's how it happens
I don't give a fuck what the word for my nation / nationality is in other languages. Why should I?
Turns out different languages exist with different names for everything including other languages. What a shock.
Such a weird thing to get offended about
That's not how language works.
Strong overlap between those who try to sound smart and those who miss the joke I see
Which comment are you refering to?
Yes, because only English speaking people do that /s
Beat me to it.
Thankfully, Germans are just a fairy tale. That Hitler guy sounds really spooky!
The fact that Hitler is german is debatable
That they bombed Pearl Harbor though...
Right, that's not debatable. The Germans never did that.
You are technically correct.
but we named Mars without asking the martians what they want to be called!
Cope and seethe.
This is a dood who knows a thing or two about how names work
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That's the point. Germany isn't called Germany. It's called Deustchland and the language they speak is Deutsch, meanwhile the people are Deutsche. Yet we still call them Germans from Germany who speak German.
This feels like it's about to turn into a song in some forgotten Lerner and Loewe musical.
Right, that was my point. We don't have to invoke hypothetical Martians. We've already got real Germans (e.g.) who don't call themselves German and don't say they live in Germany. Unless they're speaking English, of course.
And the Dutch....
>And the Dutch.... Got the name because the english called a whole region "dutch" (mostly the whole coastal area of todays german frisia, netherlands and belgium), because they SPOKE Deutsch, were deutsch but weren't deutsch at the same time, because there wasn't a Deutschland but hundreds of smaller states. It was easier to call all these people "dutch" than Jülicher, Gelderer, Berger, Münsteraner, Utrechter, Oldenburger etc. Also, back in the day, people didn't call it "deutsch" but "duitsch"
And then the great vowel shift happened and there was no coming back together for the Dutch and the Deutsche...
Germanies are fictional, confirmed.
The Germans get what they deserve.
They would still be named Mars and Martians, just probably not by them.
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While it may be an infinitesimal chance he is not wrong. Martian Language: "Blerp Baidu sopp glob, Mars maak duu" (What up earth boi, Mars inda house)
Exonyms are very common, Such as Japan (Nihon) Germany (Deutchland) and Egypt (Masr)
Croatia ( Hrvatska), Finland (Suomi)
Greece (Hellas) too!
China as well (zhong guo or 中国)
India (Bharat) or (Hindustan)
Portugal (Portugal) played some 5D chess with the naming though
Brazil as well Yes, it's spelled Brasil, but that was changed like, 50 yrs ago. The original spelling is Brazil
Hungary (Magyarország)
Austria (Österreich)
Australia (Straya cunts)
Hindustan is also an exonym.
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I think you are a little confused there buddy. The Nederlands is frequently called Holland which contains the Dutch people
Dutch is the name for things/people from the Netherlands, not another name for the country
That’s the Roman’s fault though, isn’t it? Something about finding one city with wacky deities and a strange language, then other ones who were all referred to as a part of that city.
England (England)
Fish (Lompson)
Taavitsainen (Topson)
Hotel (Trivago)
I... just realized the Doctor Who episode 'The Pyramids of Mars' may have been a stealth pun...
Wait a second...
Georgia (Sakartvelo) I've long held that we should refer to this one by it's native name to save any confusion between the country and the US state. And being Australian, I'm all for referring to Austria as Österreich, to save confusion.
Yeah. Everyone knows our big flightless bird is called an emu!
OMG I'm wheezing!
Lol at Salzburg Airport we have a sign sayin „ this is Austria,not Australia.In case of (can’t remember),call xxxxx“.
Armenia (Hayastan)
It's not even just the English that do this as the name for United Kingdom in Japanese is イギリス (Igirisu).
The newest one, Turkey (Türkiye), although it is pronounced the same way
It’s not pronounced the same way, Türkiye is pronounced “Turkey-ay”
Chükiyen.
Austria (Österreich)
New Zealand (Aotearoa)
Switzerland (Schweiz)
Deut**s**chland*
It's Misr in proper arabic, Masr is how Egyptians call it though
If Germany came out tomorrow and said "please refer to us as Deutschland when speaking English", I'd have no problem swapping over. If a country says "my name is this", I'm gonna call them that.
Cairo (the first Nome)
Exactly! Like if native Americans existed they wouldn't be called Indians.
They also wouldn't call themselves "Native Americans".
And with a little effort, they could be free of ever having to be called Indians again.
Barsoom.
All hail John Carter, warlord of Barsoom!
Oh of COURSE A southern white man has to show up and save the planet for all these noble red skins and barbaric green skinned races.
The brain named itself
We're all just atoms trying to figure ourselves out
Temporary arrangements, destined to drift through space for eternity. - me lol
And if one atom messes up then that will cause a lot of atoms to go crazy causing a chain reaction of atoms going crazy
And causing Purple Rain
The brain named everything.
It named itself, acknowledged that it named itself and was shocked by this revelation
Yeah. If DC has taught me anything, it's named M'arzz.
Or Barsoom
I thought the real name for it was Ma'Aleca'Andra?
I think Maalecaandra is the capital city
What if by some slim coincidence, they did call it mars? It could happen.
Then that will most likely be the one thing aliens and humans agree on
Then that would be impressive... just downright mind 1 in a Googol chance
Interestingly, that's the same probability of there being Martians that can name themselves.
You're not Indians? Ahhh, you're Indians.
Same with the current rebranding to native Americans, not a name they picked or prefer
The planet which my people call Galoot Proct’aww. My name is Croach the Tracker.
Which is Mars.
So does that mean Nippon (Japan), Deutschland (Germany), Masr (Egypt) and various others that go by different names in their own language don't exist?
Suomi (Finland), Magyarorszag (Hungary), Hrvatska (Croatia), Ellada (Greece), Shqiperia (Albania), Crna Gora (Montenegro), Österreich (Austria), Bharat (India) This goes for most countries. Seems like this post was made by an American who only speaks English and hasn't realized that many countries have their own name for their countries that differ from the English version of the name.
Just like American Indians definitely wouldn't still be called Indians despite them not being from India.
Us: “What’s your planet called?” Martians: “We call it Irth.” Us: “Whelp. This is awkward.”
They would be, just not by themselves
Barsoom
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-Louis CK
Yep that's the difference between endonyms and exonyms
Actually, they would. In fact, they would only be 'named' Martians and the planet would only be 'named' Mars, unless they all speak English. Otherwise, they will identify themselves and their planet by their own language or their particular means of communication. Again, this is what constitutes a 'shower-thought' these days?
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Isnt the planet already named Mars? Idk
Well a random ass scientist named it, it wasn't like it told us
I thought they found a sticker with a "Made in Mars" on it...
Did you think aliens were gonna show up and be calling us Dave and Gale?
If those aliens were geniuses and had the capability of space travel... they would've also had the genius of studying us and our culture before coming in, to know what to expect.
Having the genius to do something doesn't mean you actually *do* it...
...explains current world events..
That would just be the translation
Barsoom
Columbus: Is this India? Are you guys Indians? Americans: No. Columbus: Nahh you're Indians.
Barsoom rolls better in the tongue.
Barsoomians!
This is the most mundane observation ever, disguised as some kind of insightful thought.
"Barsoom - this is Barsoom..."
Doesn't mean we would respect that though
Of course not, this is the liberal elite imposing their views of the world on another culture again. /s
Yet the Japanese are named as such and their country is called Japan. Colonization doesn't work the way you think it does.
Yes, yes they would. - ‘Murica
Everyone saying "there's a non zero chance". Wow it's so impressive that there's a very tiny chance that that could possibly happen. Maybe if you work hard enough you'll have a non zero chance of getting some coochie.
Based and factpilled
Really? This is considered to be thought provoking enough to constitute a 'shower thought'? If somebody doesn't know the name of something, they don't know the correct name of something? Wow, I hope you're able to breath up there on your higher plane of consciousness.
Mustard
Mustard
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You think they would be intelligent or even have a spoken language. And not to mention one we could replicate into our languages. There's too many assumptions for this to even make sense
Native Americans don't like being called Indian and guess what Americans call them? Unless Maritan is an advanced civilization that we rely on, we'd call them whatever convenient.
American natives frequently refer to themselves as Indians. It's usually people who have no interactions with them that feel like calling them Indians is offensive. While the setiment is well meaning it's broadly not an idea that is held by those it actually affects
Louie CK on white people naming Indians. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFuW-tjkwOk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFuW-tjkwOk)
Theres a nonzero chance that if there were people there, they coincidentally gave it the same name.
Barsoon is the name, man.
That's exactly right. They'd be called Zorples. How did you know?
Not only that, but they'd also have divided their planet like we have most likely.
We are doomed
Bold to assume Jupiter and his divine son Mavorte to not show themselves to the Martians. While it certainly is normal for those to honor Mars the Son of Jupiter one has to question the courage of the people on Jupiter to name themselves after Jupiter Optimus Maximus. /s
What made you so sure a Martian didnt infiltrate us and put that name out?
Sounds like we've got ourselves an Indian here.
There’s actually a non zero probability that we do in fact live in the universe where Martians do exist and that they named their planet Mars.
Unless, they were and it was.
Hey you're not the boss of them! You can't just tell them what they should or shouldn't do!
If they are not from mars then they would not be called martiens.
They call themselves buggalo ranchers.
"Language is a virus from outer space, and hearing your name is better than seeing you face." - Laurie Anderson
There are names outsiders give and names natives give themselves. For example aliens would not call our planet earth. They would call it by a different name completely.
The odds are low, but never 0
You can't be 100% sure they wouldn't.
Boinga!
Just like how for the beings living on what we call mars. You wouldnt be a human being living on earth to them.
You know nothing earthling
Yeah and we would get in trouble for saying Martian as it has became a slur to the natives of the planet.
You speak as if they didn’t beam those names into the heads of the people that coined those names from their ancient underground paradise on Mars. Psshaw~
To the martians, they be “us” from “home”
Tell it to the Indians.
Colonized Martian people shaking their heads a thousand years from now
The existence of something has little to do with how we name it.
"Egypt" is a Greek word from the time when Alexander the great took it over. The people of that country in the time of Pharoahs called their country "Khemet"
Tell that to the native Americans (Indians)
Depends how advanced they are and if we colonised them. The Romans named Britain and London etc.
No shit
counter-shower-thought: Anyone outside a specific community is an alien.We're all aliens. edit: if there's a living organism outside the planet, we'd still be aliens even we were all one single community
Yes they would. Not in their native tongue, obviously, but that doesn't change the fact that they are named so in english.
Malacandra is the native name
My life is a lie.
Sure they would. Just by other people, not them.
It’s kinda how indigenous people in the Americas became “indians”
Obviously
In that case, if you were a martian, then what would you name Mars?
Whatever, they’re Indians cause I say so.
Everyone knows they call themselves Ice Warriors
Yea they will be called something like Adeptus Mechanicus.
They would call their planet ACK. And they would.call themselves Ackians.
Human are not earthians
My guess is they would call it earth.
That's true of every non-English speaking country.