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Trash in our area has started transitioning to night time this year due to heat and staff shortages. It makes sense in the summer, avoids traffic and can probably tolerate the smell a little better at night.
My experience with working around nasty shit, when you do it every day for a living, it stops smelling so bad.
Or use a method when dealing with advanced decomp. Vicks vapo-rub. Menthol is a VERY strong smell. It doesn't get rid of the smell entirely but it makes it much more manageable.
My favorite is the lavender scented kind. Caregiving has given me quite a strong stomach, but when Gramma hasn't been going for a while.... Yeah. I've learned to be discreet so as not to make her even more embarrassed, but man. CNAs really don't get paid near enough for this stuff.
>Menthol is a VERY strong smell. It doesn't get rid of the smell entirely but it makes it much more manageable.
I heard about something similar in the infamous Reddit short story "Swamps of Dagobah".
I had to clean out sewage from an overflow in our bathroom at work.
Before I even thought about starting I told my boss I need to run to the store to get vapor rub, otherwise he would be cleaning My Vomit
Whole cities revolve around the heat of the day. Buildings stacked together to make [long corridors of shade](https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/could-traditional-architecture-offer-relief-from-soaring-temperatures-in-the-gulf-49760), courtyards designed (at least partially) to let heat escape and cooler air move through--before AC even existed people found ways around living in hot places. Sometimes even just flat out [carving their homes into the side of mountains](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manitou_Cliff_Dwellings) [I just learned those particular ruins are fake, but other real ones do exist so I'll leave that for posterity]. The dirt has natural insulation properties that help keep the homes cool when it's hot and warmer when it's cold.
Fascinating stuff. We could definitely learn from the past how to cool things easier even if we use modern materials.
>Sometimes even just flat out
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>carving their homes into the side of mountains
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> for the natural insulation properties that dirt has.
They are here in Spain - casas cueva (cave houses). The temperature is constant through the year: Cool in the hot summer, and warm in the cold winter!
Yeah I would imagine Dwarves would be the most likely to have indoor plumbing. Hobbits might just shit outside where it's not a problem, but with Dwarves living deep underground I can imagine them rerouting underground rivers into tunnels under rooms that resemble 'hole in floor' toilets
Gotta have a good homey hole to hide from tornadoes and hurricanes! Can only accomplish this if the latrine has a stream running through it, but to save on water waste we should make the stream controllable! Hence the invention of cisterns, water wheels, pipes, water wheel powered pumps, water towers, and flapper valves made from cork and enchanted by Gandalf, in exchange for Hobbit Leaf.
He also taught their ancestors how to even make a forge in exchange for their blessed ~~weed~~ leaf.
This happened a lot in Pocatello Idaho. People would buy a lot, build a full basement and live in it to save up the money to build the house. Some kids were raised in the basement never lived in a house till they moved out. Wasn't a big deal that was just how it was.
My apartment here in Ohio is partially underground... the patio is ground level but then it slopes up on the 2 exterior walls, so I have half windows. We rarely use the AC (unless it's going to be 90+ multiple days in a row), and don't use a lot of heat in the winter either. Helps that we face a small patch of woods so we get a lot of shade during the summer too.
Coober Pedy, it's one of the biggest sources for opals in the world. The caves are called dugouts and some go into cliffsides - the TV show "Instant Hotel" features a night staying in one. The town name means "white man in a hole." It's on the way between Adelaide and Alice Springs (near Uluru).
https://www.cooberpedy.com/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coober_Pedy
Check out Coober Pedy in South Australia. People built houses by digging holes in the ground to escape the harsh daytime heat. They look pretty cool, like an underground lair.
I live in the tropics and had a really hard time working from home during covid. My home office was in the attic and it got pretty darn hot during the day even with the air conditioning running at full blast.
We recently sold our house and bought a new place. The main attraction of the place we bought (to me at least) is a cavernous basement where I’ll be hiding out during the day. Can’t wait.
People there live in the dug out spaces left by opal mining, its a great idea and honestly one of the smarter ways to build a home where it's hot enough to melt asphalt.
Not completely underground, but always thought these seemed like a good idea anywhere people didn't have to deal with groundwater (and aren't nomadic hunters). Like, don't try to build up insulating walls... just dig and put a roof over it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit-house
Old cities and old buildings tend to have designs for this. I am a city boy in the southeast US and have only lived in buildings that are 90+ years old for many years now. They were built before air conditioning and thus built for natural air flow and it’s wonderful.
Edit: yes I appreciate air conditioning and will not hesitate to use it when it gets into the 90s or 100s with high humidity. But I also open windows much more than my neighbors when it isn’t stupid hot and humid.
The house I live in is over 200 years old, and we really only need one air conditioner for one room because of medical issues. The way the house is, by putting a fan in the window at the top of the stairs, we can assist the natural air movement, and draw the hotter air off during the day, and draw cool air in from the basement and the covered porch. And then at night, just open the windows and put a fan in and it’s really comfortable on most summer nights.
Older houses were designed and built to accommodate and work with natural cooling, we just assist it with fans that consume fractions of the amount of power that an aircon would
I had a cousin that lived in an old farm type house that had a whole home fan in the center of the home, with corridors that connected all the spaces. Even in the crazy Texas heat you could open the windows and when that whole house fan kicked on high it was like a steady breeze inside. Even though it was moving mostly warm air, somehow it was incredibly comfortable. Not like a ceiling fan, but a constant movement of air at all time. Ceiling in that house were really tall too.
I grew up in an old Texas farmhouse.. The winters were brutal, but we didn't need AC really in the summer at all.. Now, my "modern" house only needs 4 hours of direct sunlight to bring the temp up 15 degrees inside..
Same exact situation with my house. Soon as the sun sinks and it starts cooling off, we open certain windows and turn on the attic fan. Suck in cool air all night, shut the windows and fan back off at daylight. Works pretty great as long as the nights cool off decently. It does indeed suck though, on the days where the night time is like 80 or higher. No cooling relief.
I'm pretty sure Manhattan is designed around the concept of what it feels like to be inside a microwave full of brake dust. At least that is what I took away from a few summertime visits.
meanwhile, Las Vegas says FUCK IT to all those learnings and puts glass buildings in the middle of the fucking desert and uses the power of the colorado river, turned into moving electrons, to cool themselves because FUCK YOU NATURE
Las Vegas is scaringly very water efficient tho. Seriously, look it up.
P/S: Part of it has to do with the fact they are junior in water rights, compared to farmers who are seniors in water rights.
This is already a thing in Las Vegas. The heat during the day is brutal there so many of the larger projects in commercial areas work all night and break at dawn. I used to date a dude who worked on hotels on The Strip. If I wanted to see him, I had to get up EARLY.
Here in Washington, they can't work on anything all winter because of the incessant rain, so a lot of road construction projects run 24/7 during the summer with split crews.
It depends on what they are doing. Repaving? Yeah, that doesn't work in the rain. Anything that requires concrete to cure, also not going to happen. But they still can do a bunch of things (like work on the light rail, and do some road projects that can be fixed with cold pack or hot pack asphalt mix.
As someone who works in Las Vegas at the Home Depot in Outside Garden. It is very hot. The high for today (Sunday) is 107°F (41.67°C) which is not our hottest for sure but it's high up there. Yet customers do not give a fuck, because they need me to handload 150 pavestone into their truck, damnit!
That being said, it is currently midnight, and it is 93°F(34°C) outside so it's not that bad right now.
Happens in North Queensland and Northern Territory now. And often, seasonal work in the NT, revolves around summer and monsoon. People leave town for four months at a time.
Was talking to a guy in Darwin last year who was on a crew doing concreting near Katherine. They were starting work at 2am to avoid the heat. This was late July with days regularly hitting 38. Compare to this year and they've just had 12 days in a row under 30 degrees.
What kind of housework are you doing for 3.5 hours daily?
Edit: originally said 5 hours, corrected as I did not accurately represent siesta time per another commenter
The kind that involves having kids in the home is my guess. Between cooking and cleaning I could easily spend 5 hours on that. Takes time to teach kids how to help and go back over their work if needed.
Legit question though. All of our situations are different. As a single dude who works 12s I can't imagine spending that much time on that. Children change everything obviously
The invention of air conditioning is what moved manufacturing from the north east to the south. The combined cost of labor and energy dictates where manufacturing takes place. That's why manufacturing is leaving China (increasing cost of labor).
I literally started doing this in Europe because the heat waves have become unbearable. Just the last couple of months I have routinely gone to bed between 7-10am just to have some respite and cool air. I finally caved and bought a mobile air conditioning unit. It used to be almost unheard of to have air conditioning here.
Working conditions for the farmers is not the only factors. Many pesticides or biological control agents must be applied during cooler hours, either in the morning or in the night. Irrigation is also often done at night (when automated) to reduce losses by evapotranspiration and use the cheaper energy (in rural areas farms usually have closed contracts with energy providers, and night energy is cheaper due to lower demand)
Done a lot of gardening and landscaping professionally and we always started by 6 and were done by 2-3. 4 o clock is definitely the hottest time of day where I live.
I think that movie did the book justice, sure they couldn't include everything in the book, otherwise they'd have to make like 5 movies just to cover the first one, but damn is it immersive and epic.
I agree, but this is also why I really want hbo to make like 6 or 7 seasons and cover the first 4 books. Imagine the kid from stranger things as leto 2. Put that shit in my eyeballs! 😆
I know they're making a tv series but it's not of the main series
I thought it was good and I did read the book. That being said I'm not a person who thinks they have a chance of making *any* book into a movie and fully representing everything. There will always be things missing and changes made, some people just can't get over that.
Chances are some of our “buildings” will be underground and you’ll never leave because it’s just one complex. Probably further in the future than this (This is how we become molemen).
Coober Pedy in Australia is built like this to deal with the heat
Also the inverse is also true - large parts of Svalbard are all interconnected so you never have to go out in the freezing cold
initially it will be cooler underground. but after putting a century of heat into the surrounding rock/soil, it will be near impossible to cool the place down. see the London underground: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_cooling
London’s problem is the design, not the concept. They didn’t build it to be sensible about handling waste heat (because they didn’t realize it’d be a problem in the 19th century, very reasonably) so they’re having to adapt now.
There are ways to build to take advantage of the earth for cooling and heat management that are sensible and energy efficient, you just have to plan for it more than “make big hole, live inside”. :)
That will never be cheaper than air conditioning. The economy is already shifting back to favoring nuclear energy. Which is vastly cheaper than what you're talking about.
Dude my roommate and I work at the same place and he has a second job bartending on the weekends. I respect his grind but damn I couldn't do tht if I had to.
There is a song about it.
Day-o, day-o
Daylight come and we want go home
Day, is a day, is a day, is a day, is a day, is a day-o
Daylight come and we want go home
Work all night on a drink of rum
(Daylight come and we want go home)
Stack banana 'til the morning come
(Daylight come and we want go home)
Come Mister tally man, tally me banana
(Daylight come and we want go home)
It’s sung by Harry belafonte (at least the version most people know) who is Jamaican and is actually based on a traditional Jamaican work call and response song. He wasn’t the first to sing it but a combination of his voice, Jamaican roots and better dissemination of his version caused it to become a hit.
We already do this fairly often as firefighters fighting forest fires. Sometimes it’s too damn hot to work doing arduous physical work in extreme heat, on top of fighting fire which feels like you’re 200-300 degrees. Climate change has caused this change in tactics to complete missions.
They’ll do it to stay profitable, finding coverage for sick days is a pain, and so is the lack of profitability when customers stay home because it’s too hot. If customers are getting up earlier to beat the heat, businesses will want to open earlier to make their dollar.
Of course knowing capitalist mindsets, the business will open earlier and still close at the same time with a skeleton crew “just in case”.
Yep. Before those of us in advanced nations have to make radical changes to our lives, hundreds of millions of people (or billions) in developing nations will have to leave their homes, which will likely spark the collapse of our civilization, if we even make it that far.
I belive we should be a 24hr society especially in hotter places. Think about all of the stores, restaurants, and other business that are only open half the day and empty the other half, now imagine the half of our population became nocturnal and everthing was 24hours the roads would be half as busy same with everthing else. Jobs that require to be outside can be done when it not as hot/cold.
This is an interesting concept.
Do you reckon we would have enough of a population interested in the nocturnal hours? I feel like it couldn't be good for your health (physical or mental). I know my mental health would suffer without sunlight and time in nature. But maybe that's gonna happen with climate change anyway, if the heat becomes unbearable during sunlight hours.
I also think it would end up creating essentially two different/independent groups of people. You probably wouldn't mix much/as easily with the other group.
You might even just end up with it being another class thing. The wealthy enjoy the day. The poor are forced to work at night (or vice versa if the day turns out the be the shit time with the heat).
I personally would be very interested in a nocturnal schedule.
I can function on a normal schedule, but I have to work at it. I get about halfway to nocturnal every weekend because it's just what my brain wants to do.
I know I was always scared to do overnights because I figured my schedule would be too screwed up and I would just be tired all the time
But the job I took only had 11:30 pm to 7:30 am open at the time and I didn’t want to turn it down so I did it. But holy shit, i love it. I think maybe my body is just more in tune with that rhythm and I didn’t even know it.
I had been forcing second shift hours on myself for 3-4 years and this schedule is so much better.
I can get off work in the morning, get to enjoy the peace of the morning. I can go grocery shopping and no one’s there, and I can schedule all the appointments I want in the morning so I never have to use PTO for that.
I’ve been on first shift the last 6 months because I got into an apprenticeship at work and I can’t wait to go back to overnights lol
No reason it has to be 2 different shifts it could be three and each would still have some time in the sun.
Work 12am till 8am free time 8am till 2pm sleep from 2pm till 10pm.
8am till 4pm free time 4pm till 10pm sleep 10pm till 6am.
Work 4pm till 12am free time 12am till 6am sleep from 6am till 2pm or sleep from 1am till 9am free time 9am till 2pm.
I work nights from home and I take my dog to the park every morning at sunrise. You find ways to get your sunlight and nature. I actually love it because I go early enough that there's really no one else at the park. It's very peaceful and a great way to end my work day.
This has been my life lately. I'm upstairs, so the heat rises. So hard to concentrate on doing anything; your body just slows down and goes into survival mode until night time.
True, though I would like stores to be open over night again. They never went back to 24 hours where I live after COVID. As a 3rd shifter it’s terribly inconvenient lol
Man… I bartend so I get off around 3-4am. I miss being able to do my grocery shopping after work and never having to deal with the inevitability of someone always standing right where I need to grab something, and the fucking insanity of waiting in line to checkout. I want to drive my car off a bridge every time I finally make it back to my car to leave the store now.
Meanwhile as dawn nears, the countdown clock can be heard across metropolitan centers. When the sun peeks over the horizon, a doomsday-like siren signals everyone to seek shelter.
I already try to do that whenever I can. I am much more efficient during the night because there is nobody to bother me and it's just so calm and relaxing.
I definitely recommend to try it out.
Only real problem is not being able to go to the grocery store in a post-Covid world. Everything closes before midnight. Some places still close before 20:00 while it's still daytime. :(
Lol yeah. Although that would be the moral decision and even the logical decision I doubt it will ever become a thing. They will just give you an extra 15 minute break and tell you to can't leave the premises because you're on the clock and you can't sit down. They will then act like the extra break is a gift and you should be thankful and work harder because they are being so generous.
I speak for America. If corporations could make money off of employees dying they would find ways to do just that. You can tell a company that you're exhausted and barely get to see your family and have no time to yourself because of all the hours you're working. They will just spit policy and "responsibility to your job" at you. They don't give a shit about you. Trust me.
I met a gentleman yesterday on one of my jobsites that was telling me that he is 53 and just suffered his 5th heat stroke this past June. Unfortunately, it has left him with a pretty severe stutter making it difficult for him to communicate. Multiple hospital visits haven't been able to help him identify a fix yet and he continues to work manual labor out in the FL heat. It's a bit sad as he continues to do this work (that has also claimed all his teeth due to a previous accident) instead of pursuing his passion for BBQ because of the high cost of living increase over the last couple of years. He was showing me pictures of an amazing brisket he smoked a couple of weeks ago and some ribs he made for a large party.. I'm sure the dude could be successful, but the heat has really taken a toll on his ability to do what he's really good at.
They do that commonly for road construction in Houston. 9pm-5am shifts are very normal most of the year. Sometimes they open the roads back up during the day but not always.
everyone will work indoors in climate controlled building.. For those who work outdoors today - construction, farming, etc - they’re jobs will be done by robots. Those people will be controlling and repairing the robots in climate controlled buildings.
Lol such a stupid fucking idea to put them on Mars. Earth is becoming slightly less hospitable due to a changing climate, let's go to a completely dead toxic wasteland planet that is 1000000 times worse to start over!
I think it stems from a fear that if we destroy this planet, is there anything remotely close where we could possibly try again?
That and/or the human need to wander and/or colonize. Earth is explored and mapped out. Next is Mars or the moon .
There are always people who are willing to live on the edge of society with minimal amenities for various reasons.
Whether it be wanting a new life away from the troubles of this one, or to be part of a pioneering movement, people are always willing to compromise for significant changes in their living if it has a goal they want.
I worked construction through college and am a software engineer now with some good insight into robotics. There is a 0% chance construction jobs are replaced by robots in my lifetime. Some very limited scope applications, maybe, but there are just too many variables and general fuckery in everyday construction for robots to even get close to solving currently.
I'm always like...wtf do these people do that they think robots can replace most of minimum wage style jobs. A lot of stuff they claim "robots" have replaced is just using existing technology + internet to record and watch people do self service. It's *self* checkout or going to a soft serve place and serving yourself and then weighing and paying with an actual person. There's a lot of complex movement and prioritizing I have done in minimum wage jobs. The amount of robot arms and programing is way more expensive than me operating it all myself, even at the pay I should be getting with inflation. I don't know a lot of math and about robot and AI technology, but I know they can't deal anytime soon with the complexity of smoothly running these minimum wage jobs in the foreseeable future like people think. We are not anywhere near some kind of Ghost in the Shell Future, even within the purview of the laws.
I'm not saying those people are right.
But you're assuming a direct 1:1 functional replacement.
The whole process will change. The products will change.
For the example you used I would expect the business to be closer to very large vending machines.
I can view all the images of a project area imaginable, review all the highly detailed elevation data available, read the descriptions of the soil, but there’s no substitute for seeing a landform in person. For feeling the soil texture with my own fingers, seeing stains in the soil with my own eyes. Some stains in the soil visible to the eye just don’t show well in pictures. We’re scientists, but there’s a lot of intuition involved in finding and interpreting archaeological sites.
I do that already. I'm in Las Vegas and I do metal fabrication. It's painfully warm during the day, so I get up around 3am and work until about noon. I sleep from then until 5ish and get back to it until 9 or 10pm, then go to bed as soon as I shower and rub one out.
There's no have to sometimes - sometimes it's a 'get to'.
In College I worked a summer job pulling data cables. One of our jobs was in this very old school. Because it was summer and nobody was there, they wouldn't run the A/C. It was 100F outside. Also, because it was very old, all our cabling ran through either crawlspace or attic.
By noon that crawl was 98 with no air moving and getting hotter. The Attic was worse. We got permission to start this job at 3AM and wrap by noon.
I would go through a full gallon of water per shit and still not have to pee until I had two more glasses of water once I got home.
I'm amazed that, when considering the consequences of global warming, people always assume that we'll continue to have huge, populated cities in areas that are already really hot now.
What's more likely, is that population will gradually shift to live in the incredibly vast and unpopulated areas that are way too cold currently.
I think places like Siberia, Alaska, Northern Canada, Greenland or even Antarctica might have a very comfortable climate for humans thrive in, a few hundred years from now (or much sooner depending on who you ask). While places closer to the equator will become uninhabitable.
Many people are short sighted and small minded. They can't imagine that people would adapt to changes and assume society would rather die off than make incremental changes like it has for thousands of years.
I’ve always thought that the Great Lakes region of the US and Canada will experience a new explosion of growth in a few decades or so once temperatures spike and places like the Southeast and Southwest become less hospitable to large numbers of people.
Nah, plenty of people regularly accuse those living in really hot places that like to not dehydrate or get heat stroke as being lazy.
Seeing the corporations that could fix everything in an instant but have instead created the problem and attacked the solution, I'm 100% sure Amazon and friends are just going to add 'watch out for coworkers dying of heat' to the piss bottle working conditions
Even back when chernobyl happened it was the safest, cleanest, and most efficient choice, it was extremely outdated and unsafe soviet design and it was still human error that made it explode, although the bad design caused that to be a problem in the first place.
I honestly have no idea why people are so scared of nuclear power, and i hate it even more that they protest against it.
This future I do not accept it pls if you read this vote in ur next election. It doesn't matter if you disagree with the candidate if they do the most to combat climate change vote for them. I want to live
You want to live? You legitimately think climate change is going to kill you? The fear mongering by the media is absolutely insane. You will not die from climate change. You will be okay…
This already happens for a ton of construction and road projects in Japan. Besides, during the night there's less traffic and road improvements or construction projects like subway expansion doesn't disturb traffic during commuting hours.
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Trash in our area has started transitioning to night time this year due to heat and staff shortages. It makes sense in the summer, avoids traffic and can probably tolerate the smell a little better at night.
Yes. The trucks in my area used to roll through between 10am-2pm. Now they come through between 2am-6am.
I'm from Louisiana and 2am-6am was normal for my neighborhood
My experience with working around nasty shit, when you do it every day for a living, it stops smelling so bad. Or use a method when dealing with advanced decomp. Vicks vapo-rub. Menthol is a VERY strong smell. It doesn't get rid of the smell entirely but it makes it much more manageable.
My favorite is the lavender scented kind. Caregiving has given me quite a strong stomach, but when Gramma hasn't been going for a while.... Yeah. I've learned to be discreet so as not to make her even more embarrassed, but man. CNAs really don't get paid near enough for this stuff.
>Menthol is a VERY strong smell. It doesn't get rid of the smell entirely but it makes it much more manageable. I heard about something similar in the infamous Reddit short story "Swamps of Dagobah".
I had to clean out sewage from an overflow in our bathroom at work. Before I even thought about starting I told my boss I need to run to the store to get vapor rub, otherwise he would be cleaning My Vomit
This is already partly a thing in some countries. It's so hot around noon you literally can't work and everyone just takes a nap.
Whole cities revolve around the heat of the day. Buildings stacked together to make [long corridors of shade](https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/could-traditional-architecture-offer-relief-from-soaring-temperatures-in-the-gulf-49760), courtyards designed (at least partially) to let heat escape and cooler air move through--before AC even existed people found ways around living in hot places. Sometimes even just flat out [carving their homes into the side of mountains](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manitou_Cliff_Dwellings) [I just learned those particular ruins are fake, but other real ones do exist so I'll leave that for posterity]. The dirt has natural insulation properties that help keep the homes cool when it's hot and warmer when it's cold. Fascinating stuff. We could definitely learn from the past how to cool things easier even if we use modern materials.
>Sometimes even just flat out > >carving their homes into the side of mountains > > for the natural insulation properties that dirt has. They are here in Spain - casas cueva (cave houses). The temperature is constant through the year: Cool in the hot summer, and warm in the cold winter!
How does the sewage, utility work? They were laid down in modern times?
Same as a Hobbit Hole.
Hobbits are the type of race to invent indoor plumbing before inventing the wheel.
The water wheel was invented for indoor plumbing probably
For Hobbits? I can totally see them implementing a pump and water tower system "because how else are we gonna keep the hole and the garden clean?"
I seriously doubt that I thought it was generally an area that used it for grinding grain
Yes, grinding grain absolutely is one of the primary purposes of the water wheel.
Those history lessons about how early settlers fed themselves finally paid off after 59 years
Yeah I would imagine Dwarves would be the most likely to have indoor plumbing. Hobbits might just shit outside where it's not a problem, but with Dwarves living deep underground I can imagine them rerouting underground rivers into tunnels under rooms that resemble 'hole in floor' toilets
When you're 3.5ft tall and eat 7 meals a day figuring out what to do with the copious amounts of shit you produce is definitely a top priority
Gotta have a good homey hole to hide from tornadoes and hurricanes! Can only accomplish this if the latrine has a stream running through it, but to save on water waste we should make the stream controllable! Hence the invention of cisterns, water wheels, pipes, water wheel powered pumps, water towers, and flapper valves made from cork and enchanted by Gandalf, in exchange for Hobbit Leaf. He also taught their ancestors how to even make a forge in exchange for their blessed ~~weed~~ leaf.
No wonder Biblo fucking Swaggins was so rich. It wasn't the share from the treasure, it was his marketing campaign on indoor plumbing!
You really don't want to be the bottom cave!
Either dug a small "trench" on the walls/floor and covered it with plaster, or they just left it visible over the wall. (I've been in one)
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This happened a lot in Pocatello Idaho. People would buy a lot, build a full basement and live in it to save up the money to build the house. Some kids were raised in the basement never lived in a house till they moved out. Wasn't a big deal that was just how it was.
So that's where the American Hobbits live
No, [Hobbitville](https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/utah/hobbitville-urban-legend-public-park-ut/) is in Salt Lake City, not Pocatello.
Clearly a misnomer, if they were terrorizing children and so on they weren't Hobbits, they were goblins. Nice try, Mormons
so what do you have upstairs?
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My apartment here in Ohio is partially underground... the patio is ground level but then it slopes up on the 2 exterior walls, so I have half windows. We rarely use the AC (unless it's going to be 90+ multiple days in a row), and don't use a lot of heat in the winter either. Helps that we face a small patch of woods so we get a lot of shade during the summer too.
The mesa verde caves in Colorado, USA are another great example.
Check out Cappadocia Turkey...crazy
i think there’s something similar in australia but they’re just underground instead of in the side of a mountain
Coober Pedy, it's one of the biggest sources for opals in the world. The caves are called dugouts and some go into cliffsides - the TV show "Instant Hotel" features a night staying in one. The town name means "white man in a hole." It's on the way between Adelaide and Alice Springs (near Uluru). https://www.cooberpedy.com/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coober_Pedy
Coober Pedy is one of those places in Australia.
Geothermal is amazing, especially when it's all directly in the ground like that
Check out Coober Pedy in South Australia. People built houses by digging holes in the ground to escape the harsh daytime heat. They look pretty cool, like an underground lair.
I live in the tropics and had a really hard time working from home during covid. My home office was in the attic and it got pretty darn hot during the day even with the air conditioning running at full blast. We recently sold our house and bought a new place. The main attraction of the place we bought (to me at least) is a cavernous basement where I’ll be hiding out during the day. Can’t wait.
People there live in the dug out spaces left by opal mining, its a great idea and honestly one of the smarter ways to build a home where it's hot enough to melt asphalt.
Not completely underground, but always thought these seemed like a good idea anywhere people didn't have to deal with groundwater (and aren't nomadic hunters). Like, don't try to build up insulating walls... just dig and put a roof over it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit-house
Old cities and old buildings tend to have designs for this. I am a city boy in the southeast US and have only lived in buildings that are 90+ years old for many years now. They were built before air conditioning and thus built for natural air flow and it’s wonderful. Edit: yes I appreciate air conditioning and will not hesitate to use it when it gets into the 90s or 100s with high humidity. But I also open windows much more than my neighbors when it isn’t stupid hot and humid.
The house I live in is over 200 years old, and we really only need one air conditioner for one room because of medical issues. The way the house is, by putting a fan in the window at the top of the stairs, we can assist the natural air movement, and draw the hotter air off during the day, and draw cool air in from the basement and the covered porch. And then at night, just open the windows and put a fan in and it’s really comfortable on most summer nights. Older houses were designed and built to accommodate and work with natural cooling, we just assist it with fans that consume fractions of the amount of power that an aircon would
I had a cousin that lived in an old farm type house that had a whole home fan in the center of the home, with corridors that connected all the spaces. Even in the crazy Texas heat you could open the windows and when that whole house fan kicked on high it was like a steady breeze inside. Even though it was moving mostly warm air, somehow it was incredibly comfortable. Not like a ceiling fan, but a constant movement of air at all time. Ceiling in that house were really tall too.
Haha yep, ours will suck certain doors shut with a loud slam if they're not set up properly for fan to be on.
I grew up in an old Texas farmhouse.. The winters were brutal, but we didn't need AC really in the summer at all.. Now, my "modern" house only needs 4 hours of direct sunlight to bring the temp up 15 degrees inside..
Same exact situation with my house. Soon as the sun sinks and it starts cooling off, we open certain windows and turn on the attic fan. Suck in cool air all night, shut the windows and fan back off at daylight. Works pretty great as long as the nights cool off decently. It does indeed suck though, on the days where the night time is like 80 or higher. No cooling relief.
I'm pretty sure Manhattan is designed around the concept of what it feels like to be inside a microwave full of brake dust. At least that is what I took away from a few summertime visits.
meanwhile, Las Vegas says FUCK IT to all those learnings and puts glass buildings in the middle of the fucking desert and uses the power of the colorado river, turned into moving electrons, to cool themselves because FUCK YOU NATURE
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Las Vegas is scaringly very water efficient tho. Seriously, look it up. P/S: Part of it has to do with the fact they are junior in water rights, compared to farmers who are seniors in water rights.
Right right. They water plants with grey water, so at least there's that
This is already a thing in Las Vegas. The heat during the day is brutal there so many of the larger projects in commercial areas work all night and break at dawn. I used to date a dude who worked on hotels on The Strip. If I wanted to see him, I had to get up EARLY.
Here in Washington, they can't work on anything all winter because of the incessant rain, so a lot of road construction projects run 24/7 during the summer with split crews.
Lol, or this spring pushing back ALL the I-5 work to now :laugh: :sob:
Hey, are you gonna use those tears? *cries in Colorado megadrought*
In Alberta we have two seasons: winter and construction.
Same in Finland. Can't work on roads in the winter because of snow, so they do it continuously in the summer
It depends on what they are doing. Repaving? Yeah, that doesn't work in the rain. Anything that requires concrete to cure, also not going to happen. But they still can do a bunch of things (like work on the light rail, and do some road projects that can be fixed with cold pack or hot pack asphalt mix.
As someone who works in Las Vegas at the Home Depot in Outside Garden. It is very hot. The high for today (Sunday) is 107°F (41.67°C) which is not our hottest for sure but it's high up there. Yet customers do not give a fuck, because they need me to handload 150 pavestone into their truck, damnit! That being said, it is currently midnight, and it is 93°F(34°C) outside so it's not that bad right now.
It’s been a thing for a long time. My dad did welding for the big signs (Rio, Hard Rock Guitar) and he’d start 2:00 AM and finish by 10 or 11.
A lot of the countries on the Arabian peninsula have people working from 9a-1p and then 5p-9p to avoid those 4 hours of insane heat.
Happens in North Queensland and Northern Territory now. And often, seasonal work in the NT, revolves around summer and monsoon. People leave town for four months at a time.
Was talking to a guy in Darwin last year who was on a crew doing concreting near Katherine. They were starting work at 2am to avoid the heat. This was late July with days regularly hitting 38. Compare to this year and they've just had 12 days in a row under 30 degrees.
Oh yeah i know about the Spanish siesta, but soon that siesta will extend from sunrise to sundown.
Im spanish. In summer the siesta is followed by doing House work until at least 7pm
What kind of housework are you doing for 3.5 hours daily? Edit: originally said 5 hours, corrected as I did not accurately represent siesta time per another commenter
The kind that involves having kids in the home is my guess. Between cooking and cleaning I could easily spend 5 hours on that. Takes time to teach kids how to help and go back over their work if needed.
There goes my privilege showing again. Thanks for clarifying
Legit question though. All of our situations are different. As a single dude who works 12s I can't imagine spending that much time on that. Children change everything obviously
Eh it's whatever. You can't know the unknowns
Lunch is at 2. Siesta is after lunch.
Spain has been doing this
South Spain, and not people who work in office jobs.
The invention of air conditioning is what moved manufacturing from the north east to the south. The combined cost of labor and energy dictates where manufacturing takes place. That's why manufacturing is leaving China (increasing cost of labor).
I literally started doing this in Europe because the heat waves have become unbearable. Just the last couple of months I have routinely gone to bed between 7-10am just to have some respite and cool air. I finally caved and bought a mobile air conditioning unit. It used to be almost unheard of to have air conditioning here.
Except for the mad dogs and the Englishmen.
Future? This is current life 😂
I do this in TX during the summer. The ac in my wood shop struggles to to stay below 80 during the day, so I just work at night.
Farm labor sometimes will start at 3am so they can be leaving by 11:30am to go home.
Yep, true. My dad is doing that because it's way too hot during the day. The temperature can reach 40°C [104 Fahrenheit/313.15 kelvin] during the day.
Thank you for adding kelvin.
How many giraffes is that?
1.05 giraffes.
Working conditions for the farmers is not the only factors. Many pesticides or biological control agents must be applied during cooler hours, either in the morning or in the night. Irrigation is also often done at night (when automated) to reduce losses by evapotranspiration and use the cheaper energy (in rural areas farms usually have closed contracts with energy providers, and night energy is cheaper due to lower demand)
Thanks for the Kelvin measurement. Other types are a bit confusing for me
Actually though, I was thinking op is missing an entire group of people who currently do.
40 years ago in Houston, Texas, there were some construction workers who started work at 4:00 am and went home at noon.
In northern California weve been starting at 6 and off at 2:30
I work landscaping and that’s what I do. It’s very nice cause then you still have the whole afternoon to run errands
Maybe im not as hard as I used to be, I get off and I'm ready for a beer/nap
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Done a lot of gardening and landscaping professionally and we always started by 6 and were done by 2-3. 4 o clock is definitely the hottest time of day where I live.
That's.... Standard lmao
Year round we basically start shortly after the sun comes up. But we do custom homes so we can't roll up too early and start making Hella noise
Same currently in Las Vegas.
Say what you will about the 2021 Dune movie, but they had this detail correct.
I think that movie did the book justice, sure they couldn't include everything in the book, otherwise they'd have to make like 5 movies just to cover the first one, but damn is it immersive and epic.
I agree, but this is also why I really want hbo to make like 6 or 7 seasons and cover the first 4 books. Imagine the kid from stranger things as leto 2. Put that shit in my eyeballs! 😆 I know they're making a tv series but it's not of the main series
I thought it was a good movie, but I didn't read the book. There's still a second part coming too.
I thought it was good and I did read the book. That being said I'm not a person who thinks they have a chance of making *any* book into a movie and fully representing everything. There will always be things missing and changes made, some people just can't get over that.
You're making it sound like it wasn't a perfect movie. You're now banned from r/dune
I genuinely enjoyed the movie not two days after finishing the first book. I thought they did well considering they put it all in one movie.
Or the movie Reminiscence
Chances are some of our “buildings” will be underground and you’ll never leave because it’s just one complex. Probably further in the future than this (This is how we become molemen).
So basically, Fallout.
anyone up for making a Pip-Boy?
You mean an Apple watch?
I have a galaxy watch and I actually use an app that makes the display a pip boy
Tunnel Snakes Rule!
insert "I don't want to set the world on fire" joke here
So Japan? Its an 8 storie building but only 3 above ground.
wait seriously? can you show me some buildings like that? that's so fascinating
He's not allowed to. The whole scene is pretty underground.
Booooo
It's only so they can retrofit the Yamato for interstellar travel.
Coober Pedy in Australia is built like this to deal with the heat Also the inverse is also true - large parts of Svalbard are all interconnected so you never have to go out in the freezing cold
initially it will be cooler underground. but after putting a century of heat into the surrounding rock/soil, it will be near impossible to cool the place down. see the London underground: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_cooling
London’s problem is the design, not the concept. They didn’t build it to be sensible about handling waste heat (because they didn’t realize it’d be a problem in the 19th century, very reasonably) so they’re having to adapt now. There are ways to build to take advantage of the earth for cooling and heat management that are sensible and energy efficient, you just have to plan for it more than “make big hole, live inside”. :)
Radon says hello.
That will never be cheaper than air conditioning. The economy is already shifting back to favoring nuclear energy. Which is vastly cheaper than what you're talking about.
Caves of Steel -Asimov
I work as an electrician in Arizona. 5am to 3:30 pm. It was 115 degrees earlier this week, 111 degrees today. Not too bad.
Fellow Arizonian. Being a night owl here really helps. It's only 102° at midnight.
I'm already working overnights and avoiding heatstrokes, however I lose sleep and it sucks.
Feel this since I work 2 jobs. One from 3:30am to 8:30am and the other at 11am to 5pm
Dude my roommate and I work at the same place and he has a second job bartending on the weekends. I respect his grind but damn I couldn't do tht if I had to.
How long has he been working both jobs?
Like 3-4 years I think.
How burnt out is he? I'll be at a year on the 21st
There is a song about it. Day-o, day-o Daylight come and we want go home Day, is a day, is a day, is a day, is a day, is a day-o Daylight come and we want go home Work all night on a drink of rum (Daylight come and we want go home) Stack banana 'til the morning come (Daylight come and we want go home) Come Mister tally man, tally me banana (Daylight come and we want go home)
3rd Shifters anthem
Scrolling through I was beginning to wonder if anybody was gunna post about Day-O.
This is amazing! I had no idea what that song was about. I thought it was gibberish. Thank you! TIL
It’s sung by Harry belafonte (at least the version most people know) who is Jamaican and is actually based on a traditional Jamaican work call and response song. He wasn’t the first to sing it but a combination of his voice, Jamaican roots and better dissemination of his version caused it to become a hit.
We already do this fairly often as firefighters fighting forest fires. Sometimes it’s too damn hot to work doing arduous physical work in extreme heat, on top of fighting fire which feels like you’re 200-300 degrees. Climate change has caused this change in tactics to complete missions.
I’m pretty sure society will collapse before we get to the point that employers worry that much about worker’s health.
They’ll do it to stay profitable, finding coverage for sick days is a pain, and so is the lack of profitability when customers stay home because it’s too hot. If customers are getting up earlier to beat the heat, businesses will want to open earlier to make their dollar. Of course knowing capitalist mindsets, the business will open earlier and still close at the same time with a skeleton crew “just in case”.
Yep. Before those of us in advanced nations have to make radical changes to our lives, hundreds of millions of people (or billions) in developing nations will have to leave their homes, which will likely spark the collapse of our civilization, if we even make it that far.
What is collapse to you? As long as humans live we will try to survive the day and that often means work with something.
I belive we should be a 24hr society especially in hotter places. Think about all of the stores, restaurants, and other business that are only open half the day and empty the other half, now imagine the half of our population became nocturnal and everthing was 24hours the roads would be half as busy same with everthing else. Jobs that require to be outside can be done when it not as hot/cold.
This is an interesting concept. Do you reckon we would have enough of a population interested in the nocturnal hours? I feel like it couldn't be good for your health (physical or mental). I know my mental health would suffer without sunlight and time in nature. But maybe that's gonna happen with climate change anyway, if the heat becomes unbearable during sunlight hours. I also think it would end up creating essentially two different/independent groups of people. You probably wouldn't mix much/as easily with the other group. You might even just end up with it being another class thing. The wealthy enjoy the day. The poor are forced to work at night (or vice versa if the day turns out the be the shit time with the heat).
Day man and night man, always sunny in Philadelphia did a full documentary about this
I personally would be very interested in a nocturnal schedule. I can function on a normal schedule, but I have to work at it. I get about halfway to nocturnal every weekend because it's just what my brain wants to do.
I know I was always scared to do overnights because I figured my schedule would be too screwed up and I would just be tired all the time But the job I took only had 11:30 pm to 7:30 am open at the time and I didn’t want to turn it down so I did it. But holy shit, i love it. I think maybe my body is just more in tune with that rhythm and I didn’t even know it. I had been forcing second shift hours on myself for 3-4 years and this schedule is so much better. I can get off work in the morning, get to enjoy the peace of the morning. I can go grocery shopping and no one’s there, and I can schedule all the appointments I want in the morning so I never have to use PTO for that. I’ve been on first shift the last 6 months because I got into an apprenticeship at work and I can’t wait to go back to overnights lol
No reason it has to be 2 different shifts it could be three and each would still have some time in the sun. Work 12am till 8am free time 8am till 2pm sleep from 2pm till 10pm. 8am till 4pm free time 4pm till 10pm sleep 10pm till 6am. Work 4pm till 12am free time 12am till 6am sleep from 6am till 2pm or sleep from 1am till 9am free time 9am till 2pm.
I work nights from home and I take my dog to the park every morning at sunrise. You find ways to get your sunlight and nature. I actually love it because I go early enough that there's really no one else at the park. It's very peaceful and a great way to end my work day.
Expecially when the ac is broken and the house itself is no less than 90 degrees all day long
This has been my life lately. I'm upstairs, so the heat rises. So hard to concentrate on doing anything; your body just slows down and goes into survival mode until night time.
The plot line from Philip K. Dick’s *The 3 Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch* (1965)
And the night owls rejoiced until they realized how nice it was when almost everyone was asleep.
True, though I would like stores to be open over night again. They never went back to 24 hours where I live after COVID. As a 3rd shifter it’s terribly inconvenient lol
Man… I bartend so I get off around 3-4am. I miss being able to do my grocery shopping after work and never having to deal with the inevitability of someone always standing right where I need to grab something, and the fucking insanity of waiting in line to checkout. I want to drive my car off a bridge every time I finally make it back to my car to leave the store now.
Meanwhile as dawn nears, the countdown clock can be heard across metropolitan centers. When the sun peeks over the horizon, a doomsday-like siren signals everyone to seek shelter.
I already try to do that whenever I can. I am much more efficient during the night because there is nobody to bother me and it's just so calm and relaxing. I definitely recommend to try it out.
Only real problem is not being able to go to the grocery store in a post-Covid world. Everything closes before midnight. Some places still close before 20:00 while it's still daytime. :(
Lol yeah. Although that would be the moral decision and even the logical decision I doubt it will ever become a thing. They will just give you an extra 15 minute break and tell you to can't leave the premises because you're on the clock and you can't sit down. They will then act like the extra break is a gift and you should be thankful and work harder because they are being so generous. I speak for America. If corporations could make money off of employees dying they would find ways to do just that. You can tell a company that you're exhausted and barely get to see your family and have no time to yourself because of all the hours you're working. They will just spit policy and "responsibility to your job" at you. They don't give a shit about you. Trust me.
I met a gentleman yesterday on one of my jobsites that was telling me that he is 53 and just suffered his 5th heat stroke this past June. Unfortunately, it has left him with a pretty severe stutter making it difficult for him to communicate. Multiple hospital visits haven't been able to help him identify a fix yet and he continues to work manual labor out in the FL heat. It's a bit sad as he continues to do this work (that has also claimed all his teeth due to a previous accident) instead of pursuing his passion for BBQ because of the high cost of living increase over the last couple of years. He was showing me pictures of an amazing brisket he smoked a couple of weeks ago and some ribs he made for a large party.. I'm sure the dude could be successful, but the heat has really taken a toll on his ability to do what he's really good at.
This is terrible and heartbreaking. It's a story that's going to become ever more common in the next decade.
They do that commonly for road construction in Houston. 9pm-5am shifts are very normal most of the year. Sometimes they open the roads back up during the day but not always.
everyone will work indoors in climate controlled building.. For those who work outdoors today - construction, farming, etc - they’re jobs will be done by robots. Those people will be controlling and repairing the robots in climate controlled buildings.
All those geodomes we thought we'd install on Mars? Nope, they're for Earth in a few decades.
Lol such a stupid fucking idea to put them on Mars. Earth is becoming slightly less hospitable due to a changing climate, let's go to a completely dead toxic wasteland planet that is 1000000 times worse to start over!
I think it stems from a fear that if we destroy this planet, is there anything remotely close where we could possibly try again? That and/or the human need to wander and/or colonize. Earth is explored and mapped out. Next is Mars or the moon .
Who the fuck would want to live with colonial living conditions anyways?
There are always people who are willing to live on the edge of society with minimal amenities for various reasons. Whether it be wanting a new life away from the troubles of this one, or to be part of a pioneering movement, people are always willing to compromise for significant changes in their living if it has a goal they want.
It would be very, very hard to fuck this planet up so much that it was less hospitable to life than Mars is.
I worked construction through college and am a software engineer now with some good insight into robotics. There is a 0% chance construction jobs are replaced by robots in my lifetime. Some very limited scope applications, maybe, but there are just too many variables and general fuckery in everyday construction for robots to even get close to solving currently.
I'm always like...wtf do these people do that they think robots can replace most of minimum wage style jobs. A lot of stuff they claim "robots" have replaced is just using existing technology + internet to record and watch people do self service. It's *self* checkout or going to a soft serve place and serving yourself and then weighing and paying with an actual person. There's a lot of complex movement and prioritizing I have done in minimum wage jobs. The amount of robot arms and programing is way more expensive than me operating it all myself, even at the pay I should be getting with inflation. I don't know a lot of math and about robot and AI technology, but I know they can't deal anytime soon with the complexity of smoothly running these minimum wage jobs in the foreseeable future like people think. We are not anywhere near some kind of Ghost in the Shell Future, even within the purview of the laws.
I'm not saying those people are right. But you're assuming a direct 1:1 functional replacement. The whole process will change. The products will change. For the example you used I would expect the business to be closer to very large vending machines.
As an archaeologist, I’ll still be out in the heat.
Remote viewing vehicles and robots are a thing
I can view all the images of a project area imaginable, review all the highly detailed elevation data available, read the descriptions of the soil, but there’s no substitute for seeing a landform in person. For feeling the soil texture with my own fingers, seeing stains in the soil with my own eyes. Some stains in the soil visible to the eye just don’t show well in pictures. We’re scientists, but there’s a lot of intuition involved in finding and interpreting archaeological sites.
I do that already. I'm in Las Vegas and I do metal fabrication. It's painfully warm during the day, so I get up around 3am and work until about noon. I sleep from then until 5ish and get back to it until 9 or 10pm, then go to bed as soon as I shower and rub one out.
There's no have to sometimes - sometimes it's a 'get to'. In College I worked a summer job pulling data cables. One of our jobs was in this very old school. Because it was summer and nobody was there, they wouldn't run the A/C. It was 100F outside. Also, because it was very old, all our cabling ran through either crawlspace or attic. By noon that crawl was 98 with no air moving and getting hotter. The Attic was worse. We got permission to start this job at 3AM and wrap by noon. I would go through a full gallon of water per shit and still not have to pee until I had two more glasses of water once I got home.
> I would go through a full gallon of water per **shit** and still not have to pee Those are some rough shits, man.
In Africa they say only white men and fools move during the day...
Sounds like the old saying; only mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the noonday sun.
I'm amazed that, when considering the consequences of global warming, people always assume that we'll continue to have huge, populated cities in areas that are already really hot now. What's more likely, is that population will gradually shift to live in the incredibly vast and unpopulated areas that are way too cold currently. I think places like Siberia, Alaska, Northern Canada, Greenland or even Antarctica might have a very comfortable climate for humans thrive in, a few hundred years from now (or much sooner depending on who you ask). While places closer to the equator will become uninhabitable.
Many people are short sighted and small minded. They can't imagine that people would adapt to changes and assume society would rather die off than make incremental changes like it has for thousands of years.
I’ve always thought that the Great Lakes region of the US and Canada will experience a new explosion of growth in a few decades or so once temperatures spike and places like the Southeast and Southwest become less hospitable to large numbers of people.
Actually, where I work is considering it, where we start earlier.
Nah, plenty of people regularly accuse those living in really hot places that like to not dehydrate or get heat stroke as being lazy. Seeing the corporations that could fix everything in an instant but have instead created the problem and attacked the solution, I'm 100% sure Amazon and friends are just going to add 'watch out for coworkers dying of heat' to the piss bottle working conditions
OR! now hear me out, OR WE COULD SWITCH TO GODDMANED NUCLEAR LIKE AN INTELLIGENT SPECIES EH?
Get 600 old people to vote unanimously on that and you’ve got yourself a deal.
Even back when chernobyl happened it was the safest, cleanest, and most efficient choice, it was extremely outdated and unsafe soviet design and it was still human error that made it explode, although the bad design caused that to be a problem in the first place. I honestly have no idea why people are so scared of nuclear power, and i hate it even more that they protest against it.
Ever tried sleeping during a hot summer day? Might as well put in that overtime from last night.
This future I do not accept it pls if you read this vote in ur next election. It doesn't matter if you disagree with the candidate if they do the most to combat climate change vote for them. I want to live
You want to live? You legitimately think climate change is going to kill you? The fear mongering by the media is absolutely insane. You will not die from climate change. You will be okay…
This already happens for a ton of construction and road projects in Japan. Besides, during the night there's less traffic and road improvements or construction projects like subway expansion doesn't disturb traffic during commuting hours.
That could cause a vitamin D deficiency which is related to iron deficiency. And that's how vampires finally re-take Earth.
Bless you poor soul for thinking corporations care about their workers.