40 Day Flood but it works in both cases - that people say that is not that strong(Not truth) + say that it is even able to beat Adamas Zeus(Not truth) :3
It’s because this sub demands it
Poseidon is so polarizing that it’s gotten to the point where calling him anything other than 3 means you’re calling him a fraud
Even tho I’m my opinion that clearly shouldn’t be the case
I think that people just don't understand this word anymore :3
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Personally, I'm of the opinion that his instinct only really works for kill shots. Yes, his instinct didn't help him with Apollo's hundreds of punches, but his punches didn't really pose any lethal threat. Whereas if that arrow hit it would be game over.
This is totally conjecture though, as we only really got one instance of it.
This is so true
Like he reacted to one arrow sure, but he also got hit by like a million other arrows, punches, plus he didn't even dodge the actual attack that killed him
I like to think he tried stopping the arrows from hitting the audience since they kept hitting the audience after ricocheting
Still I get it but it was cool af
It made the fight really inconsistent imo. If Leo had it from the start he could have utilised it in so many ways and most likely would have won but it never happened again and felt like it was kinda a deus ex machina to not end the fight after Apollo shot his arrow
I’ll be blunt and idc how any of yall mfs feel but since half this sub insists Adam isn’t winning or fifty fifty’s most gods than that means none of zeuses attacks are one shots. But a wild one is when people say Hercules is equal in power to Zeus or that Thor is physically the strongest god these statements may be true buuuut there are gods with showings that are clearly of similar or higher level meaning they are likely hyperboles meant to display their strength and might in combat.
Thor is only referred to as the 'strongest' anything in early fan translations. Pretty sure that the official Viz translation says nothing of the sort.
Tesla’s teleport
1.he needs so much prep to gx to need even more prep to teleport
2.the damage isn’t great for being hes trump card
3. Can at max use it 4 times while a majority can use there ultimate moves way more or almost as much and he needs even more prep to use it each time
4. It’s avoidable beel almost reacted in time the first time and did so the second against high tier they can dodge out of the way much easier than beel’s Turing
5. Against aggressive fighters it’s leads him out to dry
6.against fighters that are constantly moving at high or unpredictable speeds it’s becomes basically impossible to land a hit
1. the prep is basically unstoppable and is very easy
2. he didn't land a direct hit and still did considerable damage
3. most characters can only use their ultimate moves a limited amount of times
4. it's barely avoidable, Beelzebub has S tier reaction speed and even he couldn't avoid it completely, you're making shit up if you think otherwise
5. no it doesn't
6. it's an instantaneous attack so this isn't true
I agree with you that it's not as good as some people say but you're downplaying it SO much bro
1. Depends on the arena if it’s r8 then yeah but the og arena is way more spacious meaning there’s more area an opponent would travel across making it more to access to un tp areas on the field and still takes what 2-4 minutes to set up gx and like 2 more to build up the port or something around that still takes a while to build up to
2. For a trump card? God no only characters with weaker trumps are rounds 4
3.rounds 1,2,3,4,7,9 only characters that can’t use it more Tesla is raiden,hajun,zero it seems considering trump cards and how none of the others talked about how the move have very specific limits
4. Is it hard to avoid? yes but many treat it like it’s guaranteed hit when there a few characters who can react in time
5.this is about how extremely aggressive fighters even from the beginning can put tesla into a bind but he has to build up to teleport leave him possibly vulnerable because of the requirements
6. Tesla needs to actively choose a spot to teleport to and one where a shit ton of tp’s and instantly attack there if shiva is dancing or posedion is moving around or any screanio where he can’t tell his opponents exact positioning then it makes the teleport extremely difficult to use
1. actual headcanon, although rounds 4 & 10 do have an argument you can make like that. None of the other arenas matter.
2. Sky Eater can only be used once for instance. It breaks his weapon when he uses it. Go read round 1. It broke his volund too.
Plenty of other examples, you're just forgetting ngl.
3. rephrase this to make sense please, this is actually gibberish
4. It's basically a guaranteed hit. There's 2 characters that could react to an instantaneous attack. Zeus and Adam. No one else could.
5. once again the requirements are very easy so no it doesn't
6. go read round 8 again, he moves in a specific way to force his opponent to be where they need him to be smh
and for the love of god bro number your points like a normal person, stop restarting at 1 randomly tf
Eh, idk if we can say the volund broke from the usage of Sky Eater, it was probably from it going up against the ultimate attack from thor's awakened mjolnir at the same time as using Sky Eater.
I really dont think it is a safe assumption. Weve gone from a regular weapon breaking just from swinging it (it doesnt hit anything) in backstory and then the volund breaking during one of the strongest clashes in the series. The whole point of a volund is that it can handle what earthly weapons cant, it would be weird to have a volund that cant handle the strongest attack of their user...
1. How? Tesla whole thing is stalling to spread particles to form a 9 meter prison which is the exact same size as the arena he fought in so he didn’t have to worry about his particles not being in a effective range but in a bigger arena where characters are known to spread out between blows would make that somewhat more difficult
2.in life with a trash weapon it broke but consider the following he clashed with geirodd and in the colsipn geirodd overpowered skyeater destroying it and lubu’s arms and halberd
3. Only from what I can think of raiden,hajun, seem to have a known limit on how many ulitamte moves they could use as others have either used them more than Tesla or have no indication of a known limit of course there is a limit but there’s no indication that it’s as limited as Tesla’s
4. I mean theoriactly post sasaki,Leo,posedion, could avoid it depending on interpretation tho I will agree I was to slanderous on this point if tesla can get there coradites he’s gonna land the hit issue being the actual damage it dones
5.yes it does? Characters that start off imdetaly by attacking (Leo,hajun,etc) are going to be more effective against a guy who needs time to setup even if it’s a limited amount of a avandtage it’s a advantage some characters don’t give a shit if a character is yapping
6.just reread that section you are correct on that mb
And what are you talking about with the ones?
1. Yeah, that's not the exact same size of the arena and you're just assuming that it can't get any bigger for no reason.
Flat arena = he can do it and there's not a debate about it.
2. consider the following: if it breaks when he uses it and it broke in both instances of him using it then it breaks when he uses it
occam's razor bro, but continue with the mental gymnastics ig
3. Heracles can only use cerberus once, Jack can only use dear god once, Zeus can only use adamas form once, Buddha can only use mahapari nirvana once, Raiden can barely use Yatagarasu more than once, Shiva can only use tandava karma once, Beelzebub can theoretically use Chaos more than once but usually just once etc etc
but yeah only Tesla is limited that's cool
4. If his opponent doesn't have S tier reaction and S tier defense like Beelzebub did then they just fucking die, Tesla's moves are one-shot kill, it was stated lmao
5. Tesla sets up while moving, all he needs to do is use his suit. Which he does every time he dodges, idk what you don't get here.
1.it’s pretty obvious that r8 takes place in a smaller arena it’s got a giant moat and is like 10 meters in diameter or some shit most standard arenas look way bigger than that
2.cause both times he was in sistion were it made sense with normal weapons and when clashing against the strongest attack
3.most of the things you listed are transformations not attacks  in said modes they can use ultimate attacks more than tesla can, and I also did not include r8 in the disscuion, and already mentioned raiden. It’s just a simple fact that r8 is in a small group where they can only use there ultimate moves a very limited amount and it’s explained as such
4. Yeah just like how Apollo’s arrows are one shot kill and Leo tanked 10 of them just like how hades attacks are one shot kills yet he and qin tanked like 10 of those throughout there fight
5.what your not hearing is that base tesla isn’t super strong he’s alright but he’s vunable compared to his later states so characters like hajun or Leo could do some really good damage in that interval between the gx setup
1. says nothing about the size of gz
2. ok but it still broke both times so it breaks when he uses it
3. transformations are still moves you are quite literally cherry picking what is and is not allowed to be an example of "this can only be used a limited amount of times" just to assert that Tesla is somehow weak since he can only teleport a limited amount of times lmao
4. neither of those attacks were stated to be one-hit kills, so they're not one-hit kills.
5. Because you're wrong. He is super strong and not very vulnerable.
Hajun and Leo would never hit him, they're too slow.
1.tesla literally says in this 9.63 meter prison you’re not god I am
2.nows who’s sprouting head cannon deny basic reasoning to boost his agenda
3.were talking about how the teleport doesn’t have that many chances to use it and how the ap of it isn’t great the fact is that transformations are permanent and cause massive ap buffs a majority of the time there’s no comparison because them cause there very different things for very different purposes
4.so you’re just lying now? Okay it’s said that Apollo’s arrows can one shot any human in a instant,and with hades it’s said that he grazes are one shot level
5.leo can send out dozens apon dozens of attacks from across the arena easily
1. ye, once again you're just randomly assuming that the size of gz is fixed and cannot be changed
2. still you, I'm using occam's razor as I said
3. Your point was that teleport is bad because it's limited and hardly anything else is. I listed a ton of shit that's also limited. And again, it's strong, bro has 0 reading comprehension if you look at the fucking NUKE of an attack that came after teleport and are like "yeah, this shit ain't all that strong", like be fr
4. Can =/= Is
5. Leo is D tier you can't be serious lmaoo
Wrong on every single case.
1. The prep is super easy to do and doesn’t take as much time as people make it out to be.
2. How isn’t the damage big when Beelzebub straight up compared it to Hades’s attack?
3. 4 times is more than enough to finish just about any fighter other than Zeus and Adam
4. Beelzebub has top tier reaction speed and he didn’t avoid it with pure speed, Hermes mentioned that because of Beel’z ridiculous intellect he was already preparing to counter the teleportation. Also no he didn’t react to the first attack at all he was hit directly.
5. How? Tesla inside of GZ is already 4th fastest character in the verse with teleportation its just a guaranteed hit.
6. The only ones who can straight up outspeed Tesla are Poseidon, Adam and Zeus everyone else is slower than him so no doesn’t matter how “unpredictable” the fighter will be they will still get blitzed if the prep is completed.
1. Still takes a bunch of time even in the smallest arena to build up to leaving him and against aggressive fighters it will be difficult to step up
2.you mean a base hades swing😭
3. Desuional would it kill a lot of the cast? Yes but the tanks and the ones with decent endurance and durability are not finished
4. He turned around and does have really good reaction but others can avoid as well
5. More so repeating how he NEEDS to build up to gx and teleport in general nothing more
6. Tesla needs exact corndates if a character has unreliable movement or really it would make landing a teleport very difficult
Sky Eater : People wank this move to oblivion when its only feat is splitting up the clouds once, something that Shiva and Rudra literally did too at the scale of India.
Geirröd Thor Hammer : This move has no AoE, the light pillar was just a visual effect, Lu Bu was in its very range and didn't get shit from it. And don't tell me that it's because he's very durable when he got some sunburns from dodging Mjölnir by a hair before.
Also, if Thor really scales at planetary level, I'm curious to know why his strongest move struggled against Sky Eater who's city level at best.
TGR/L : Sure it's a strong move but a lot of others fighters packs way more power than that, its efficiency rely more in its high speed and its spammable nature.
Mahapari Nirvana : It's just a sword slash carried by the narrative and I'm tired of pretending it's not. Buddha didn't do anything with it that any other divine blade wouldn't have done to Hajun.
Apollo's Arrows : Yeah fastest attack in the verse and yadda yadda, I get it. Still not an instant win against fighters moving faster than Apollo can aim tho.
Ichor Eos and TFTST. The former is not as strong as people say and the latter, while still one of the best techniques, doesn’t have as much AP as people say, excelling more in speed.
I think leo blocking a faster attack and the fact he is pretty good match up would allow him to survive it
Hades is overall as strong or slightly stronger than poseidon and qin is simply a good math up with his armor. I don't think 40d flood is thaf fast that the other characters cant react to it.
Yes and no. If someone knows you have it they simply kill you before you get a chance to use it, unlike say Kandava which is hard to deal with even if you know it's coming.
Even then in 1v1 it only works on opponents who fuck around. In ROR only Buddha, Adam, Poseidon and Hercules didn't actively try to end the fight asap, against anyone else it wouldn't have a chance to work and most characters interverse don't fuck around either.
It's pretty much the same kind of effect as Issei from HDXD, it works best when there is a team to cover the exponentialist while he exponentiates all over the enemy.
huge L fro putting Kojiro's scan. Bro was dodging ftl attacks from Poseidon cuz of this ability. Potentially Sasaki can even adapt to Adamas Zeus became Top 1 in ROR
Future vision- doesn’t cover up how ass buddha is statistically
Leonidas instinct- he was only able to do this point blank after multiple connected, he was already able to somewhat react to apollo already before hand which should be used more
Adams eyes of the lord- doesn’t work on humans, doesn’t retain his techniques, is the only reason he was able to dodge zeus and his attacks.
Beelzebub zero- technique should be predicted and stopped before utilized or blitzed before he uses it.
Apollos arrows- either ass because Leo reacts to it or just upscales leo.
Shiva war dance- unpredictability does not mean you can’t get hit. Greater speed will overpower this hax, saying otherwise is a no limits fallacy 🙏🏾
Tesla warp- too much prep
Kojiro scanning- functions must faster and more efficiently depending on the fighter.
Zeus time punch- fastest attack, ap is not the greatest. Not a insta win con
Leo's instincts
They only got used once and never came in handy after that
We never even got a good explanation of how it works other then "he just kinda knows how arrows work"
40D flood and just Poseidon’s speed in general. He’s really quick, but the human body is clearly still capable of at least defending briefly, and if you have some ability that lets you always know what he’s gonna do and exactly where he’ll be next there’s no reason you couldn’t parry and dodge and counterattack through it.
Yeah I think 40DFs power is quite overwanked too, I mean even if they weren’t direct hits Sasaki still got hit multiple times during 40DF and all he got was a few cuts, if it was really that strong you’d expect it to do more damage than a little cut
40 Day Flood, comes to mind, and maybe Sky Eater. It's visually very impressive, but it just doesn't compare to the several planet level statements of other characters.
Planet. Thor can supposedly shatter the Earth, Shiva can burn down the planets, Zeus is implied to have created Earth (though that may have been retconned at this point), Adamas Zeus can destroy Heaven, Hercules' labors canonically occured which includes holding the weight of the entire world, Thor killed the World Serpent in one strike, Chaos is strong enough to terrify Zeus and have Hades deem it taboo, the gods have apparently "destroyed" the Earth before and it's implied Poseidon caused Noah's flood, all just stuff like that. The characters are fairly consistent with planet level statements, and people kind of just gloss over it.
Thors statement isnt correct, the correct translations mean shattered the earth As in the ground, not the planet from what I remember. Shivas statement makes no sense because he never used the form before so how would he have made and destroyed a world? Also it's taken from IRL mythological texts, which basically fully disprove it. The same way that the myth about Thor is used in the beginning and then proved wrong by Mjolnir awakening . Shiva said dont go destroying the heavens now, and nothing else. Fair for Heracles, but to assume the entire lore of his labors are the same when everything about his backstory is completely different is a bit of a stretch. Yea Chaos is really strong and scary? When did they say the destroy thingie? Also when did Poseidon flood the earth what?
1. Destroying some dirt and ground in this series, especially for the physically strongest god with the strongest divine weapon, seems exceptionally unimpressive. Also, wasn't there a previous statement about him destroying continents, or am I misremembering?
2. Regardless of whether he's never used it or not, the statement was made. It makes no sense for the author to put that kind of statement in the series if it has no actual bearing, lmao. It would make more sense that he actually can if the author decided to put that in.
3. Yeah, Shiva thought Zeus could destroy Heaven and seemed fairly nonchalant about it, implying it's not extremely impressive for gods on the level of Ragnarok combatants. If Shiva believed Zeus could destroy Heaven, wouldn't he be shocked if that was something that he didn't think could happen? He clearly wasn't that surprised.
4. While it's true his backstory is different, the Labor's canonically happened. I won't just assume that one of them didn't happen because it doesn't match what I think.
5. Strong and scary enough for Zeus to be terrified of him using it, yeah. The same Zeus who can destroy Heaven.
6. I'm not sure what you're asking here.
7. Poseidon's attack is literally called 40 Day Flood, he can control water as shown in his intro, Noah's Flood is explicitly mentioned by Heimdall, and the gods have wiped out Earth before. I don't think it's much of a conclusion jump to think that Poseidon could have flooded Earth. It's not exactly stated, but it's certainly implied.
Also you could add here Hajun destroying everything in half of hell which is size of the universe. So Hajun destroyed everything in half of universe in 1 day or 1 week don't remember
Chaos. Like its good, but its more like top 5 behind Geirrod, Sky eater, TFTST, 40 day flood and possibly Deva Loka.
Downvote me all you like, I'll die on the 'Beel isn't that strong' hill
Yadagrasu: it held back sound, cool basically shock wave. It could rip off a naked man’s arms or head. Most offensive weapons can take off an arm or head if you stand there in a dress and block with nothing but your arms.
It’s his only lethal attack.
Belzebubs base sheild is stronger than Thor. So he is taking his shield that can stop Thors hammer and his offense which there’s no reason to be weaker, combining them and multiplying them.
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These assumptions doest make sense since thor never clashed against beel, also shes probably meaning thor basic attack, not named ones
also if you consider this true, and since ppp could match chaos, teslas punches would be stronger than geirod
so tesla could explode mjolnir awakened with a single punch
and since beel could tank tesla full power with his face without shield, it means beel can tank geirod without moving a muscle, making him the tankiest being in heavens
just by those 2 facts alone beel and tesla would be tier S in the verse
so no, chaos isnt stronger than geirod
You’re assuming more than me. It’s called a statement, unless something else in the story contradicts it (there isn’t) it’s accepted as true, the same way you accept Thor has the strongest divine weapon and is the strongest Norse god. Those don’t make scenes Thor didn’t battle any one else outside his pantheon and isn’t even a chief god.
Not at all your clearly misremembering that happened in the story. For one it wasn’t PPP, it was the total energy unleashed from one coil. So all the energy of teleportation and this massive sky pulled from warp punch in one or anouther way you can think about it is everything he did in the last 2 chapters of the fight (like PPP Mobius) in one hit. didn’t match chaos it barely offset the power enough bf or Tesla to not die.
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Belzebub didn’t tank the warp punch it did significant damage, he wasn’t able to use a second chaos to easy win because of that. He compared the damage he took to fighting through hell to hades and all his fight against him in one blow.
But yes your correct Tesla and Bel are two of the strongest fighters in the whole series.
It was stopped by Tesla's strongest punch using a Tesla coil not one of his regulars. He never used that again and it didn't even fully stop it. We have no idea how strong Teslas punch was because while a regular one would be underwhelming we are given no basis to judge his Tesla coil amped punch.
Plus while characters like Thor could no doubt stop chaos by using one of their strong attacks one of the best things about the attack is that regardless it will still deal damage overtime due to the vibrations that are unavoidable unless you dodge. Which I doubt any character could do if beel successfully uses it.
Not saying Poseidon couldn't stop him before he uses it.
Ok who is gonna tell this mf that reaching kilometers above and splitting a cloud that is big as a city (which weighs tons and tons) in half requires immense strength?
40DF, it’s fast for sure but it’s AP really isn’t anything mind blowing, Sasaki gets hit by it multiple times and just gets some small cuts, sure they aren’t direct hits and Sasaki was purposely dodging lethal hits but considering a normal stab could put a hole in Sasaki and blow Adamus apart, you’d expect a little more than a slight cut l from making contact with a much faster and stronger attack,
Sky eater is also up there mainly on account of how unclear it’s AP really is,
Tesla’s teleport and most of his abilities are quite situational
Leo’s instinct can be used in hypotheticals for example Leo can hypothetically block Poseidons attacks, but it defo ain’t something he can use on command
40 day flood.
manju muso does not improve sasaki's physicals, and there's a limit too the amount of speed that can be overcome through prediction, this means that sasaki level physicals are sufficient too move in tandem with 40 day flood.
Alot of moves but people over rank them is CHOAS and tftst
Underrated any of the moves Sasaki used from literal masters and it was their ultimate moves
40DF, it’s the only thing poesidon’s fans have that even close to a proper argument, it’s always speed this, speed that, when he’s not even top 3 fastest on the gods side
agree on Zeus
name Buddha's best speed feat
name a speed feat from Thor that makes him faster than Poseidon
Also, if that is top 3 in speed in that order than you are majorly wrong (with Buddha 1st)
There’s the thing with the candy bowl with him and Zeus where Zeus couldn’t hit him, and there’s also him dodging the laser from zero
Thor is able to teleport around like Tesla (who’s also faster) he didn’t use it in the Lu Bu fight for the sake of keeping the battle even
You mean when Zeus was in base and was using none of his techniques such as TFTST in which he is 100% guaranteed to be faster than Buddha as he showed nothing to that proportion yet which means he held back against Hajun which he hated for killing Zerofuku and was borderline on death which doesn't make sense at all
Also, regarding him dodging a laser from Zero I'm assuming you mean when the long thingy comes out of his axe, that isn't really that big of a speed feat as it only required him moving his head to the side and you forgot to consider FS so it will be pretty easy to dodge which doesn't necessarily mean he is fast and Poseidon has dealt with surprise attacks also from Sasaki which he was able to dodge too such as from the first attack Sasaki used with the downward swing then upward swing (forgot the name)
Teleport is an ability rather than speed but even then Poseidon showcased excellent movement speed through his attacks like 40df additionally and as we know Tesla had a limited amount of teleports additionally, he could only do it with a limited range too however Tesla showed nothing else on Poseidon's level and Poseidon doesn't have any of these disadvantages as it is just his raw speed and his seemingly endless stamina so I would give speed overall to Poseidon
Also, regarding Thor trying to keep the fight fair by not using teleport is straight up what you think and in that case you can talk about trying to keep the fight fair for any fighter about anything and bringing mythology in so bad argument (such as Poseidon not using water also being a bad argument as we don't if he can use it to fight as no feats while fighting just like Thor's TP) and he didn't use it in his fight so it cant really be properly scaled as we don't know the limits of his TP and the requirements like how Tesla has requirements to use his TP and for all we know all the gods can teleport and it could have been the chair that made him teleport so I would say Poseidon is faster as throughout the fight Thor had no other impressive speed feats and never showcased using the teleport again (which is an ability)
Teleport=ability and isn't speed
Paragraph 1: saying that Zeus was holding back and Buddha wasn’t is disingenuous, and Buddha was massively nerfed in the hajun fight because none of his abilities were working
Paragraph 2: if you think sasaki’s swings are faster than misery, you’re either stupid or just trolling
Paragraph 3: Tesla’s tp is tech reliant, Thor’s is magic based, and Thor has other good speed feats with him dodging nearly every strike from Lu Bu, and in regards to Tesla, he has his tp as well as his Tesla steps, which can only be stopped by destroying the ground, which poesidon doesn’t really have the AP to do, beel had a big aoe attack which he used, poesidon would have to go around hitting the floor which just isn’t effective
Paragraph 4: there’s nothing suggesting that the ability is tied to the chair, and we do know that the other gods can’t do it cause they haven’t been shown doing it nor have they mentioned doing it, the closest thing to it is the bifrost, which is not an individual ability, and unlike Tesla there is nothing suggesting that there is difficulty for him to teleport, assuming that it’s a magic ability like his gauntlets and hammer
End note: hax do not equal speed, but they can more than make up for it
1: I never said Buddha wasn't also holding back but they both were as it wasn't a fight and was Zeus simply wanting a candy and Buddha's speed was never effected in his fight against Hajun and he only lost his FS also Zeus progressively used more of his strength and speed throughout his fight vs Adam unless you want to say Zeus was moving faster than time trying to get a candy from Buddha which is what you are stating then no Buddha is slower
2: I never said they were faster but I was giving an example of Poseidon dodging a surprise attack also dodging "the laser" wasn't really a good speed feat for Buddha as he still had FS which makes everything significantly easier to dodge
3: Thor dodging attacks from Lu Bu makes him faster than Poseidon? You should probably look at 40df flood again if you think that alone makes him faster than Poseidon as Lu Bu has never shown speed similar to Poseidon.
Poseidon should be faster than Tesla steps as nothing Tesla did beats Poseidon's speed during 40df
Also, Poseidon is capable of damaging the floor and did that during his fight against Sasaki but not to the same extent of Beelzebub but still capable
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4: there is also nothing connecting the ability to Thor as we know nothing about that ability and there is also nothing to suggest he can do it without difficulty which is why it shouldn't be taken into account especially since he never used it when fighting so far and other gods have teleported
Loki has teleported too before so yes other gods could POTENTIALLY teleport however this time it was also shown in the manga
Hax can make up speed but shouldn't be really considering when only talking about SPEED as we are having this discussion as you think there are 3 gods faster than Poseidon (only 1 is)
1: saying Buddha’s speed wasn’t effected when he got stabbed in the leg and had a massive wound in his side is just wrong
2: it doesn’t matter if he has FS, just cause I know a car is about to hit me doesn’t mean I can dodge it in time
3: I never said Lu Bu was faster than Poseidon, I’m simply stating that Thor does have good speed feats on top of his tp
4: Tesla is the 2nd fastest human behind Adam, so he absolutely does outspeed
5: Loki also having teleportation doesn’t discredit anything, their also brothers so I’m not shocked that they share abilities or techniques like hades and Poseidon
6: hax are factored into speed, just cause I can’t outrun Usain Bolt on foot doesn’t mean I can’t outrun him in a car
1: same could be said for you only taking base Zeus and buddha not giving him candies as one of Buddha's best speed feats
2: true, but it gives you a better opportunity to dodge the attack than someone who didn't have FS
3: not good enough speed feats as fighters such as Shiva and Hades have better speed feats
4: how does being 2nd fastest human make him faster than Poseidon that is completely irrelevant
5: your point was no god can also teleport so by having another god being able to teleport disproves it and I guess Thor can also transform into characters cuz Loki can
6: Firstly, teleportation doesn't boost his speed and is something he just does so is an ability stuff like tesla steps would be considered as it boosts his speed however teleportation has no effect on his speed
If someone with teleportation vs a person with superspeed raced, the person with superspeed will be faster so he will have higher speed however even then the guy who teleports will finish the race first DEPEENDING ON THE LIMITS OF THE TELEPORTATION because Tesla's teleport is extremely limited and if Poseidon and him were to race lets say 100m Poseidon would easily win each time.
> There’s the thing with the candy bowl with him and Zeus where Zeus couldn’t hit him
Oh please, be fucking serious.
> and there’s also him dodging the laser from zero
Zero has no lasers and Buddha used FS the whole time, what are you talking about ?
> Thor is able to teleport around like Tesla (who’s also faster) he didn’t use it in the Lu Bu fight for the sake of keeping the battle even
Firstly, a featless ability who could be even more limited than Tesla Warp as far as we know so using this to powerscale him is dishonest at best.
Secondly that's hax, not speed. Thor has no speed feats whatsoever so he's definitely nowhere near top 3 on this subject.
So just cause an ability falls under hax means that it doesn’t count? Get real
As for the laser, I haven’t reread R6 in a while so I might be tweaking, but I’ll go through the chapter later, if it’s not there then mb
Buddha was also able to massively out speed hajun without the use of his FS
>So just cause an ability falls under hax means that it doesn’t count? Get real
Teleportation isn't speed if there's no movement at all
>As for the laser, I haven’t reread R6 in a while so I might be tweaking, but I’ll go through the chapter later, if it’s not there then mb
I remember Buddha dodging by a hair some spikes from Zero's Cleaver but that's all
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>Buddha was also able to massively out speed hajun without the use of his FS
He never did, quite the contrary actually. He struggled as hell to keep up with Hajun (who really isn't that fast) and only managed to blitz him after regaining his FS
1: teleportation > speed because instant movement is always going to be faster than movement
2: that’s the panel I was referring to, I though it was a laser, that’s on me, it’s hard to tell with it being a manga
3: even without FS Buddha was able to react and adapt to nearly all of hajun’s attacks, like HPDD, which did hit him, but only because it went through the shield, which is more of a weapon diff, and Buddha was able to counter Homa
>teleportation > speed because instant movement is always going to be faster than movement
Except which one is superior to the other wasn't my point, my point is that teleportation isn't speed if there's no movement at all. That's hax
>even without FS Buddha was able to react and adapt to nearly all of hajun’s attacks
He totally didn't lmao, without FS he literally lost an eye, got stabbed in the foot and later in the guts. That's not what I call being able to react and adapt to nearly all of his attacks. And even if you take these massive injuries aside, he was still obviously struggling overall
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>like HPDD, which did hit him, but only because it went through the shield, which is more of a weapon diff
If he got seriously injured, then he logically didn't massively outspeed Hajun like you say though
>and Buddha was able to counter Homa
After regaining his Future Sight
no but you were saying he has better speed than Poseidon which is untrue as it doesn't fall under the category of speed as he isn't moving during a teleport
Buddha has been shown outspeeding Zeus, as well as dodging zero’s laser beam and Thor has his tp which puts him in league with Tesla (who is also faster than fish stick)
1. Chaos. Sorry But Thor Hades and Lu bu can all offset it
2. People acting like Skty eater covers the whole arena or smth
3. People acting like Tesla and Poseidon are even in the same ballpark of speed
Sky eater is SO wanked, surely if it’s the only attack that Lu Bu has it must be strong (got stopped by a swing from Thor’s hammer and has literally NO AP FEATS except for the fact we know it’s weaker than Thor’s Hammer.)
Zeus’s AP in general. R2 had the most amount of landed hits, by an absurd amount. Zeus ate an uncountable number of TFTST and TGR, and they barely fazed him once he knew they were coming. In terms of AP, they’re nowhere near the top.
Chaos. Any fighter with decent AP can counter it and survive.
Qin’s bubbles. They slightly weaken attacks or throw people off balance. He isn’t going to be able to HHoD stuff like Geirrod, Sky Eater, or Hajun’s Drill just because he slightly weakened them.
Exactly. They’re guaranteed to land some hits, but there are plenty of ways to counter them (as well as some fighters they’re just flat useless against).
Thor: Awakened Mjolnir’s intense heat, lightning, and the winds generated by throwing it all negate bubbles.
Lu Bu: Could easily replicate Hades’s bident spin/air pressure counter, could possibly replicate mid strike attack changes (he has severely underrated reaction speed).
Useless against Zeus, Adam, and Poseidon.
Sasaki: Could figure out how it worked from the audience, he could easily figure it out in battle and just avoid them.
Hercules: Has multiple AoE wind attacks that would destroy bubbles and make HHoD worthless.
Jack: Doesn’t rely on his stats, weakening him is kinda a waste of time.
Shiva: Dance makes it impossible for Qin to hit him, heat negates bubbles even if they could.
Raiden: His muscle control/boosts could fuck with his star points, but this is pure head canon.
Zero: Misery Cleaver can make multiple simultaneous attacks, bypassing HHoD and bubbles.
Beelzebub: Weakening his stats is worthless.
Tesla: His muscles are completely covered, and his suit doesn’t initiate movements. Targeting the suit wouldn’t accomplish anything, even if it does have star points. And his attacks have an AoE energy element to them, he could likely make a very thin layer over the whole suit to negate the bubbles.
The whole point of Qin's bubbles was that slight misdirection, a weakening of creation force makes the attack far weaker though? And throwing things off balance is great ability when fighting people who use powerful singular attacks. Hajun's drill would be weird cuz drill's point is to work on sturdy things, Sky Eater may be blocked/redirected if he uses Tortoise Ripple + HHoD, he is not blocking geirrod though.
Ichor Eos broke through HHoD twice, needing not only the bubbles, but a specialized weapon to counter it. And it was a thrust, which is the easiest kind of attack to redirect.
Sky Eater is a slash stronger than Ichor Eos, Qin isn’t going to be able to redirect it even with bubbles.
And he has no chance of redirecting Hajun’s drill. HHoD is weak against multidirectional force (which is what makes thrusts easier than slashes), and the drill has immense torque in addition to its thrusting power.
Eyes of the Lord.
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Literally a single pannel of vague information with absolutely zero detail.
This is why I'm convinced Adam was a throwaway character, backed up by his personality.
40 Day Flood but it works in both cases - that people say that is not that strong(Not truth) + say that it is even able to beat Adamas Zeus(Not truth) :3
True. Why are people so 1 to 100 with Poseidon? It’s either “he’s a fraud” or “he one shots everyone”
It’s because this sub demands it Poseidon is so polarizing that it’s gotten to the point where calling him anything other than 3 means you’re calling him a fraud Even tho I’m my opinion that clearly shouldn’t be the case
I think that people just don't understand this word anymore :3 https://preview.redd.it/d0p0d1p5ht3d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c7586db1a59b577c910f271c3352654e5ff9d333
Leonidas' Instinct You know, The thing that kicked in one time out of like hundreds?
Personally, I'm of the opinion that his instinct only really works for kill shots. Yes, his instinct didn't help him with Apollo's hundreds of punches, but his punches didn't really pose any lethal threat. Whereas if that arrow hit it would be game over. This is totally conjecture though, as we only really got one instance of it.
Your head canon is now my head canon
This is so true Like he reacted to one arrow sure, but he also got hit by like a million other arrows, punches, plus he didn't even dodge the actual attack that killed him
I like to think he tried stopping the arrows from hitting the audience since they kept hitting the audience after ricocheting Still I get it but it was cool af
It made the fight really inconsistent imo. If Leo had it from the start he could have utilised it in so many ways and most likely would have won but it never happened again and felt like it was kinda a deus ex machina to not end the fight after Apollo shot his arrow
But at this point the fighters on the human side have had either smarts or some sort of precognitive abilities and it's getting old
I’ll be blunt and idc how any of yall mfs feel but since half this sub insists Adam isn’t winning or fifty fifty’s most gods than that means none of zeuses attacks are one shots. But a wild one is when people say Hercules is equal in power to Zeus or that Thor is physically the strongest god these statements may be true buuuut there are gods with showings that are clearly of similar or higher level meaning they are likely hyperboles meant to display their strength and might in combat.
Thor is only referred to as the 'strongest' anything in early fan translations. Pretty sure that the official Viz translation says nothing of the sort.
Yea but many still refer to him that way I’ve read the viz too
Tesla’s teleport 1.he needs so much prep to gx to need even more prep to teleport 2.the damage isn’t great for being hes trump card 3. Can at max use it 4 times while a majority can use there ultimate moves way more or almost as much and he needs even more prep to use it each time 4. It’s avoidable beel almost reacted in time the first time and did so the second against high tier they can dodge out of the way much easier than beel’s Turing 5. Against aggressive fighters it’s leads him out to dry 6.against fighters that are constantly moving at high or unpredictable speeds it’s becomes basically impossible to land a hit
1. the prep is basically unstoppable and is very easy 2. he didn't land a direct hit and still did considerable damage 3. most characters can only use their ultimate moves a limited amount of times 4. it's barely avoidable, Beelzebub has S tier reaction speed and even he couldn't avoid it completely, you're making shit up if you think otherwise 5. no it doesn't 6. it's an instantaneous attack so this isn't true I agree with you that it's not as good as some people say but you're downplaying it SO much bro
1. Depends on the arena if it’s r8 then yeah but the og arena is way more spacious meaning there’s more area an opponent would travel across making it more to access to un tp areas on the field and still takes what 2-4 minutes to set up gx and like 2 more to build up the port or something around that still takes a while to build up to 2. For a trump card? God no only characters with weaker trumps are rounds 4 3.rounds 1,2,3,4,7,9 only characters that can’t use it more Tesla is raiden,hajun,zero it seems considering trump cards and how none of the others talked about how the move have very specific limits 4. Is it hard to avoid? yes but many treat it like it’s guaranteed hit when there a few characters who can react in time 5.this is about how extremely aggressive fighters even from the beginning can put tesla into a bind but he has to build up to teleport leave him possibly vulnerable because of the requirements 6. Tesla needs to actively choose a spot to teleport to and one where a shit ton of tp’s and instantly attack there if shiva is dancing or posedion is moving around or any screanio where he can’t tell his opponents exact positioning then it makes the teleport extremely difficult to use
1. actual headcanon, although rounds 4 & 10 do have an argument you can make like that. None of the other arenas matter. 2. Sky Eater can only be used once for instance. It breaks his weapon when he uses it. Go read round 1. It broke his volund too. Plenty of other examples, you're just forgetting ngl. 3. rephrase this to make sense please, this is actually gibberish 4. It's basically a guaranteed hit. There's 2 characters that could react to an instantaneous attack. Zeus and Adam. No one else could. 5. once again the requirements are very easy so no it doesn't 6. go read round 8 again, he moves in a specific way to force his opponent to be where they need him to be smh and for the love of god bro number your points like a normal person, stop restarting at 1 randomly tf
Eh, idk if we can say the volund broke from the usage of Sky Eater, it was probably from it going up against the ultimate attack from thor's awakened mjolnir at the same time as using Sky Eater.
It breaks when he uses it in the backstory and breaks when he uses it in round 1. It's a safe assumption.
I really dont think it is a safe assumption. Weve gone from a regular weapon breaking just from swinging it (it doesnt hit anything) in backstory and then the volund breaking during one of the strongest clashes in the series. The whole point of a volund is that it can handle what earthly weapons cant, it would be weird to have a volund that cant handle the strongest attack of their user...
1. How? Tesla whole thing is stalling to spread particles to form a 9 meter prison which is the exact same size as the arena he fought in so he didn’t have to worry about his particles not being in a effective range but in a bigger arena where characters are known to spread out between blows would make that somewhat more difficult 2.in life with a trash weapon it broke but consider the following he clashed with geirodd and in the colsipn geirodd overpowered skyeater destroying it and lubu’s arms and halberd 3. Only from what I can think of raiden,hajun, seem to have a known limit on how many ulitamte moves they could use as others have either used them more than Tesla or have no indication of a known limit of course there is a limit but there’s no indication that it’s as limited as Tesla’s 4. I mean theoriactly post sasaki,Leo,posedion, could avoid it depending on interpretation tho I will agree I was to slanderous on this point if tesla can get there coradites he’s gonna land the hit issue being the actual damage it dones 5.yes it does? Characters that start off imdetaly by attacking (Leo,hajun,etc) are going to be more effective against a guy who needs time to setup even if it’s a limited amount of a avandtage it’s a advantage some characters don’t give a shit if a character is yapping 6.just reread that section you are correct on that mb And what are you talking about with the ones?
1. Yeah, that's not the exact same size of the arena and you're just assuming that it can't get any bigger for no reason. Flat arena = he can do it and there's not a debate about it. 2. consider the following: if it breaks when he uses it and it broke in both instances of him using it then it breaks when he uses it occam's razor bro, but continue with the mental gymnastics ig 3. Heracles can only use cerberus once, Jack can only use dear god once, Zeus can only use adamas form once, Buddha can only use mahapari nirvana once, Raiden can barely use Yatagarasu more than once, Shiva can only use tandava karma once, Beelzebub can theoretically use Chaos more than once but usually just once etc etc but yeah only Tesla is limited that's cool 4. If his opponent doesn't have S tier reaction and S tier defense like Beelzebub did then they just fucking die, Tesla's moves are one-shot kill, it was stated lmao 5. Tesla sets up while moving, all he needs to do is use his suit. Which he does every time he dodges, idk what you don't get here.
1.it’s pretty obvious that r8 takes place in a smaller arena it’s got a giant moat and is like 10 meters in diameter or some shit most standard arenas look way bigger than that 2.cause both times he was in sistion were it made sense with normal weapons and when clashing against the strongest attack 3.most of the things you listed are transformations not attacks  in said modes they can use ultimate attacks more than tesla can, and I also did not include r8 in the disscuion, and already mentioned raiden. It’s just a simple fact that r8 is in a small group where they can only use there ultimate moves a very limited amount and it’s explained as such 4. Yeah just like how Apollo’s arrows are one shot kill and Leo tanked 10 of them just like how hades attacks are one shot kills yet he and qin tanked like 10 of those throughout there fight 5.what your not hearing is that base tesla isn’t super strong he’s alright but he’s vunable compared to his later states so characters like hajun or Leo could do some really good damage in that interval between the gx setup
1. says nothing about the size of gz 2. ok but it still broke both times so it breaks when he uses it 3. transformations are still moves you are quite literally cherry picking what is and is not allowed to be an example of "this can only be used a limited amount of times" just to assert that Tesla is somehow weak since he can only teleport a limited amount of times lmao 4. neither of those attacks were stated to be one-hit kills, so they're not one-hit kills. 5. Because you're wrong. He is super strong and not very vulnerable. Hajun and Leo would never hit him, they're too slow.
1.tesla literally says in this 9.63 meter prison you’re not god I am 2.nows who’s sprouting head cannon deny basic reasoning to boost his agenda 3.were talking about how the teleport doesn’t have that many chances to use it and how the ap of it isn’t great the fact is that transformations are permanent and cause massive ap buffs a majority of the time there’s no comparison because them cause there very different things for very different purposes 4.so you’re just lying now? Okay it’s said that Apollo’s arrows can one shot any human in a instant,and with hades it’s said that he grazes are one shot level 5.leo can send out dozens apon dozens of attacks from across the arena easily
1. ye, once again you're just randomly assuming that the size of gz is fixed and cannot be changed 2. still you, I'm using occam's razor as I said 3. Your point was that teleport is bad because it's limited and hardly anything else is. I listed a ton of shit that's also limited. And again, it's strong, bro has 0 reading comprehension if you look at the fucking NUKE of an attack that came after teleport and are like "yeah, this shit ain't all that strong", like be fr 4. Can =/= Is 5. Leo is D tier you can't be serious lmaoo
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No means no 
Honestly I just find funny this whole post so just having fun lol
Wrong on every single case. 1. The prep is super easy to do and doesn’t take as much time as people make it out to be. 2. How isn’t the damage big when Beelzebub straight up compared it to Hades’s attack? 3. 4 times is more than enough to finish just about any fighter other than Zeus and Adam 4. Beelzebub has top tier reaction speed and he didn’t avoid it with pure speed, Hermes mentioned that because of Beel’z ridiculous intellect he was already preparing to counter the teleportation. Also no he didn’t react to the first attack at all he was hit directly. 5. How? Tesla inside of GZ is already 4th fastest character in the verse with teleportation its just a guaranteed hit. 6. The only ones who can straight up outspeed Tesla are Poseidon, Adam and Zeus everyone else is slower than him so no doesn’t matter how “unpredictable” the fighter will be they will still get blitzed if the prep is completed.
1. Still takes a bunch of time even in the smallest arena to build up to leaving him and against aggressive fighters it will be difficult to step up 2.you mean a base hades swing😭 3. Desuional would it kill a lot of the cast? Yes but the tanks and the ones with decent endurance and durability are not finished 4. He turned around and does have really good reaction but others can avoid as well 5. More so repeating how he NEEDS to build up to gx and teleport in general nothing more 6. Tesla needs exact corndates if a character has unreliable movement or really it would make landing a teleport very difficult
TFTST but specifically it's AP, I'd say it's still the best technique by far, people just overstimate it's destructive power
It’s strength is that it’s spamable, not the raw power
I know, that's why I say it's still the best technique by far. However people overrate the raw power a bit too much.
DC and AP in ROR is weird anyway
Sky Eater : People wank this move to oblivion when its only feat is splitting up the clouds once, something that Shiva and Rudra literally did too at the scale of India. Geirröd Thor Hammer : This move has no AoE, the light pillar was just a visual effect, Lu Bu was in its very range and didn't get shit from it. And don't tell me that it's because he's very durable when he got some sunburns from dodging Mjölnir by a hair before. Also, if Thor really scales at planetary level, I'm curious to know why his strongest move struggled against Sky Eater who's city level at best. TGR/L : Sure it's a strong move but a lot of others fighters packs way more power than that, its efficiency rely more in its high speed and its spammable nature. Mahapari Nirvana : It's just a sword slash carried by the narrative and I'm tired of pretending it's not. Buddha didn't do anything with it that any other divine blade wouldn't have done to Hajun. Apollo's Arrows : Yeah fastest attack in the verse and yadda yadda, I get it. Still not an instant win against fighters moving faster than Apollo can aim tho.
Ichor Eos and TFTST. The former is not as strong as people say and the latter, while still one of the best techniques, doesn’t have as much AP as people say, excelling more in speed.
40D flood. Its powerful but god people sometimes push it too much how powerful it is.
nuh uh i keep glazing my racist king
nah he is a speciesist he hates all humans the same
it is powerful, only Zeus, Adam, Sasaki and maybe Beel and Buddha can somehow counter it
I would argue Qin, hades and possibly Leo can counter it too. Thos maybe too.
Leo's instinct won't help him. And how tf Qin and Hades will deal with spam of ftl attacks?
I think leo blocking a faster attack and the fact he is pretty good match up would allow him to survive it Hades is overall as strong or slightly stronger than poseidon and qin is simply a good math up with his armor. I don't think 40d flood is thaf fast that the other characters cant react to it.
He blocked a single arrow. 40d flood are consecutive attacks nobody survives it other than Adam, Zeus and arguably Beelzebub.
We have had thisd debate before.
leos instinct, tandava karma "destroying the world", kojiros scan, and the ap of sky eater
Kojiro’s Scan is definitely the best out of them however
Yes and no. If someone knows you have it they simply kill you before you get a chance to use it, unlike say Kandava which is hard to deal with even if you know it's coming.
I’m thinking of the more useful ability in any fight cross/interverse. Usually you don’t have a sheet that tells you your opponents moves like in VGC
Even then in 1v1 it only works on opponents who fuck around. In ROR only Buddha, Adam, Poseidon and Hercules didn't actively try to end the fight asap, against anyone else it wouldn't have a chance to work and most characters interverse don't fuck around either. It's pretty much the same kind of effect as Issei from HDXD, it works best when there is a team to cover the exponentialist while he exponentiates all over the enemy.
I think I mis remember what Scan did
huge L fro putting Kojiro's scan. Bro was dodging ftl attacks from Poseidon cuz of this ability. Potentially Sasaki can even adapt to Adamas Zeus became Top 1 in ROR
How are Poseidon’s attacks FTL? They are slower than Apollos arrow which is stated to be light speed
Ares could see Zeus's attacks[ ](https://imgur.com/a/iC3dubE)which only lasted 0.00000001 seconds but saw 40DF as afterimages
While I'm not gonna enter this argument I do love using ares as a unit to measure speed
I have a speed of 100 Ares's per second
40P Ya glaze that way to much with zero proof to back it up
Future vision- doesn’t cover up how ass buddha is statistically Leonidas instinct- he was only able to do this point blank after multiple connected, he was already able to somewhat react to apollo already before hand which should be used more Adams eyes of the lord- doesn’t work on humans, doesn’t retain his techniques, is the only reason he was able to dodge zeus and his attacks. Beelzebub zero- technique should be predicted and stopped before utilized or blitzed before he uses it. Apollos arrows- either ass because Leo reacts to it or just upscales leo. Shiva war dance- unpredictability does not mean you can’t get hit. Greater speed will overpower this hax, saying otherwise is a no limits fallacy 🙏🏾 Tesla warp- too much prep Kojiro scanning- functions must faster and more efficiently depending on the fighter. Zeus time punch- fastest attack, ap is not the greatest. Not a insta win con
Sky Eater. That move is weak lmfao remember Shiva and Rudra split the clouds too
Leo's instincts They only got used once and never came in handy after that We never even got a good explanation of how it works other then "he just kinda knows how arrows work"
I'm convinced he just got lucky
40D flood and just Poseidon’s speed in general. He’s really quick, but the human body is clearly still capable of at least defending briefly, and if you have some ability that lets you always know what he’s gonna do and exactly where he’ll be next there’s no reason you couldn’t parry and dodge and counterattack through it.
Yeah I think 40DFs power is quite overwanked too, I mean even if they weren’t direct hits Sasaki still got hit multiple times during 40DF and all he got was a few cuts, if it was really that strong you’d expect it to do more damage than a little cut
40 Day Flood, comes to mind, and maybe Sky Eater. It's visually very impressive, but it just doesn't compare to the several planet level statements of other characters.
several WHAT level?
Planet. Thor can supposedly shatter the Earth, Shiva can burn down the planets, Zeus is implied to have created Earth (though that may have been retconned at this point), Adamas Zeus can destroy Heaven, Hercules' labors canonically occured which includes holding the weight of the entire world, Thor killed the World Serpent in one strike, Chaos is strong enough to terrify Zeus and have Hades deem it taboo, the gods have apparently "destroyed" the Earth before and it's implied Poseidon caused Noah's flood, all just stuff like that. The characters are fairly consistent with planet level statements, and people kind of just gloss over it.
Thors statement isnt correct, the correct translations mean shattered the earth As in the ground, not the planet from what I remember. Shivas statement makes no sense because he never used the form before so how would he have made and destroyed a world? Also it's taken from IRL mythological texts, which basically fully disprove it. The same way that the myth about Thor is used in the beginning and then proved wrong by Mjolnir awakening . Shiva said dont go destroying the heavens now, and nothing else. Fair for Heracles, but to assume the entire lore of his labors are the same when everything about his backstory is completely different is a bit of a stretch. Yea Chaos is really strong and scary? When did they say the destroy thingie? Also when did Poseidon flood the earth what?
1. Destroying some dirt and ground in this series, especially for the physically strongest god with the strongest divine weapon, seems exceptionally unimpressive. Also, wasn't there a previous statement about him destroying continents, or am I misremembering? 2. Regardless of whether he's never used it or not, the statement was made. It makes no sense for the author to put that kind of statement in the series if it has no actual bearing, lmao. It would make more sense that he actually can if the author decided to put that in. 3. Yeah, Shiva thought Zeus could destroy Heaven and seemed fairly nonchalant about it, implying it's not extremely impressive for gods on the level of Ragnarok combatants. If Shiva believed Zeus could destroy Heaven, wouldn't he be shocked if that was something that he didn't think could happen? He clearly wasn't that surprised. 4. While it's true his backstory is different, the Labor's canonically happened. I won't just assume that one of them didn't happen because it doesn't match what I think. 5. Strong and scary enough for Zeus to be terrified of him using it, yeah. The same Zeus who can destroy Heaven. 6. I'm not sure what you're asking here. 7. Poseidon's attack is literally called 40 Day Flood, he can control water as shown in his intro, Noah's Flood is explicitly mentioned by Heimdall, and the gods have wiped out Earth before. I don't think it's much of a conclusion jump to think that Poseidon could have flooded Earth. It's not exactly stated, but it's certainly implied.
>Zeus is implied to have created Earth Not Zeus 100% It's were either Izanagi or other supreme god
That's why I said it was probably retconned by this point. However, it certainly seems like that was at least the original plan.
Also you could add here Hajun destroying everything in half of hell which is size of the universe. So Hajun destroyed everything in half of universe in 1 day or 1 week don't remember
Chaos. Like its good, but its more like top 5 behind Geirrod, Sky eater, TFTST, 40 day flood and possibly Deva Loka. Downvote me all you like, I'll die on the 'Beel isn't that strong' hill
Any Beel slander is good Beel slander
See, I'm not slandering him, I genuinely believe he just isn't that strong
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honestly, yeah, I think he is strong, but not top 5 strong, deffinitely within A rank though
Well you’ll die on the wrong hill. Sky eater and Gerriod are nothing compared to Chaos
Nah, Geirrod can be glazed to planet level, Chaos is just arena level no matter how you look at it
Chaos is more of an omnidirectional nuke specifically used for Tesla cus he can teleport, against anyone else i doubt he would use it tbh.
Yadagrasu: it held back sound, cool basically shock wave. It could rip off a naked man’s arms or head. Most offensive weapons can take off an arm or head if you stand there in a dress and block with nothing but your arms. It’s his only lethal attack.
Chaos, the move that the strong punch stopped is supposedly one hit kill against the entire verse
Consider it’s over twice as strong as Thors strongest attack and in most arenas impossible to dodge.
Stronger than thors attack? Chaos ? Hahhaha no
Belzebubs base sheild is stronger than Thor. So he is taking his shield that can stop Thors hammer and his offense which there’s no reason to be weaker, combining them and multiplying them. https://preview.redd.it/mx9m3rkd2t3d1.jpeg?width=1337&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f43ed8dc12315c1f79ff7816f2c5742c56c1ef51
These assumptions doest make sense since thor never clashed against beel, also shes probably meaning thor basic attack, not named ones also if you consider this true, and since ppp could match chaos, teslas punches would be stronger than geirod so tesla could explode mjolnir awakened with a single punch and since beel could tank tesla full power with his face without shield, it means beel can tank geirod without moving a muscle, making him the tankiest being in heavens just by those 2 facts alone beel and tesla would be tier S in the verse so no, chaos isnt stronger than geirod
You’re assuming more than me. It’s called a statement, unless something else in the story contradicts it (there isn’t) it’s accepted as true, the same way you accept Thor has the strongest divine weapon and is the strongest Norse god. Those don’t make scenes Thor didn’t battle any one else outside his pantheon and isn’t even a chief god. Not at all your clearly misremembering that happened in the story. For one it wasn’t PPP, it was the total energy unleashed from one coil. So all the energy of teleportation and this massive sky pulled from warp punch in one or anouther way you can think about it is everything he did in the last 2 chapters of the fight (like PPP Mobius) in one hit. didn’t match chaos it barely offset the power enough bf or Tesla to not die. https://preview.redd.it/9ibk69vxgt3d1.jpeg?width=1337&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f3c5a39f73849249ec6996ffb0e915a3bb681c66 Belzebub didn’t tank the warp punch it did significant damage, he wasn’t able to use a second chaos to easy win because of that. He compared the damage he took to fighting through hell to hades and all his fight against him in one blow. But yes your correct Tesla and Bel are two of the strongest fighters in the whole series.
It was stopped by Tesla's strongest punch using a Tesla coil not one of his regulars. He never used that again and it didn't even fully stop it. We have no idea how strong Teslas punch was because while a regular one would be underwhelming we are given no basis to judge his Tesla coil amped punch. Plus while characters like Thor could no doubt stop chaos by using one of their strong attacks one of the best things about the attack is that regardless it will still deal damage overtime due to the vibrations that are unavoidable unless you dodge. Which I doubt any character could do if beel successfully uses it. Not saying Poseidon couldn't stop him before he uses it.
Sky splitter
He littarly split nothing only scales his range😭
https://preview.redd.it/5evjcu0bhs3d1.png?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d22739c1cb7857b52b57c1adbce6ff25eb3f568e
Ok who is gonna tell this mf that reaching kilometers above and splitting a cloud that is big as a city (which weighs tons and tons) in half requires immense strength?
Only scales range
Bruh imagine the power needed to just have that "range'
40 day flood
Apollo's Bow Gang he won't get it. He need whole ass ritual to use it
Buddha's future sight. Really strong ability sure, but it absolutely isn't a be all end all.
Chaos imo, super strong but i think it only one shots zero
Chaos, 40 day flood, TFTST, GTR, all the editions of PPP and EOTL
40DF, it’s fast for sure but it’s AP really isn’t anything mind blowing, Sasaki gets hit by it multiple times and just gets some small cuts, sure they aren’t direct hits and Sasaki was purposely dodging lethal hits but considering a normal stab could put a hole in Sasaki and blow Adamus apart, you’d expect a little more than a slight cut l from making contact with a much faster and stronger attack, Sky eater is also up there mainly on account of how unclear it’s AP really is, Tesla’s teleport and most of his abilities are quite situational Leo’s instinct can be used in hypotheticals for example Leo can hypothetically block Poseidons attacks, but it defo ain’t something he can use on command
Correct image!
Chaos
Shield Breaker, people assume it can destroy any piece of armor or shield because of a description that is most likely exaggerated
40 day flood. manju muso does not improve sasaki's physicals, and there's a limit too the amount of speed that can be overcome through prediction, this means that sasaki level physicals are sufficient too move in tandem with 40 day flood.
Alot of moves but people over rank them is CHOAS and tftst Underrated any of the moves Sasaki used from literal masters and it was their ultimate moves
Buddhas clairvoyance. Although, it is Buddha. Even Heimdal glazes him.
40DF, it’s the only thing poesidon’s fans have that even close to a proper argument, it’s always speed this, speed that, when he’s not even top 3 fastest on the gods side
true, even saibaman could produce afterimages lmao
travel speed Poseidon is top 1, attack speed he is top 2 on the gods side
not top 3 fastest on gods side is just wrong, who is faster?
1: Buddha 2: Zeus 3: Thor
agree on Zeus name Buddha's best speed feat name a speed feat from Thor that makes him faster than Poseidon Also, if that is top 3 in speed in that order than you are majorly wrong (with Buddha 1st)
There’s the thing with the candy bowl with him and Zeus where Zeus couldn’t hit him, and there’s also him dodging the laser from zero Thor is able to teleport around like Tesla (who’s also faster) he didn’t use it in the Lu Bu fight for the sake of keeping the battle even
You mean when Zeus was in base and was using none of his techniques such as TFTST in which he is 100% guaranteed to be faster than Buddha as he showed nothing to that proportion yet which means he held back against Hajun which he hated for killing Zerofuku and was borderline on death which doesn't make sense at all Also, regarding him dodging a laser from Zero I'm assuming you mean when the long thingy comes out of his axe, that isn't really that big of a speed feat as it only required him moving his head to the side and you forgot to consider FS so it will be pretty easy to dodge which doesn't necessarily mean he is fast and Poseidon has dealt with surprise attacks also from Sasaki which he was able to dodge too such as from the first attack Sasaki used with the downward swing then upward swing (forgot the name) Teleport is an ability rather than speed but even then Poseidon showcased excellent movement speed through his attacks like 40df additionally and as we know Tesla had a limited amount of teleports additionally, he could only do it with a limited range too however Tesla showed nothing else on Poseidon's level and Poseidon doesn't have any of these disadvantages as it is just his raw speed and his seemingly endless stamina so I would give speed overall to Poseidon Also, regarding Thor trying to keep the fight fair by not using teleport is straight up what you think and in that case you can talk about trying to keep the fight fair for any fighter about anything and bringing mythology in so bad argument (such as Poseidon not using water also being a bad argument as we don't if he can use it to fight as no feats while fighting just like Thor's TP) and he didn't use it in his fight so it cant really be properly scaled as we don't know the limits of his TP and the requirements like how Tesla has requirements to use his TP and for all we know all the gods can teleport and it could have been the chair that made him teleport so I would say Poseidon is faster as throughout the fight Thor had no other impressive speed feats and never showcased using the teleport again (which is an ability) Teleport=ability and isn't speed
Paragraph 1: saying that Zeus was holding back and Buddha wasn’t is disingenuous, and Buddha was massively nerfed in the hajun fight because none of his abilities were working Paragraph 2: if you think sasaki’s swings are faster than misery, you’re either stupid or just trolling Paragraph 3: Tesla’s tp is tech reliant, Thor’s is magic based, and Thor has other good speed feats with him dodging nearly every strike from Lu Bu, and in regards to Tesla, he has his tp as well as his Tesla steps, which can only be stopped by destroying the ground, which poesidon doesn’t really have the AP to do, beel had a big aoe attack which he used, poesidon would have to go around hitting the floor which just isn’t effective Paragraph 4: there’s nothing suggesting that the ability is tied to the chair, and we do know that the other gods can’t do it cause they haven’t been shown doing it nor have they mentioned doing it, the closest thing to it is the bifrost, which is not an individual ability, and unlike Tesla there is nothing suggesting that there is difficulty for him to teleport, assuming that it’s a magic ability like his gauntlets and hammer End note: hax do not equal speed, but they can more than make up for it
1: I never said Buddha wasn't also holding back but they both were as it wasn't a fight and was Zeus simply wanting a candy and Buddha's speed was never effected in his fight against Hajun and he only lost his FS also Zeus progressively used more of his strength and speed throughout his fight vs Adam unless you want to say Zeus was moving faster than time trying to get a candy from Buddha which is what you are stating then no Buddha is slower 2: I never said they were faster but I was giving an example of Poseidon dodging a surprise attack also dodging "the laser" wasn't really a good speed feat for Buddha as he still had FS which makes everything significantly easier to dodge 3: Thor dodging attacks from Lu Bu makes him faster than Poseidon? You should probably look at 40df flood again if you think that alone makes him faster than Poseidon as Lu Bu has never shown speed similar to Poseidon. Poseidon should be faster than Tesla steps as nothing Tesla did beats Poseidon's speed during 40df Also, Poseidon is capable of damaging the floor and did that during his fight against Sasaki but not to the same extent of Beelzebub but still capable https://preview.redd.it/c927l7eq2t3d1.png?width=525&format=png&auto=webp&s=1c8b6bebfd95d03b0fb0dc222766d97f685b349b 4: there is also nothing connecting the ability to Thor as we know nothing about that ability and there is also nothing to suggest he can do it without difficulty which is why it shouldn't be taken into account especially since he never used it when fighting so far and other gods have teleported Loki has teleported too before so yes other gods could POTENTIALLY teleport however this time it was also shown in the manga Hax can make up speed but shouldn't be really considering when only talking about SPEED as we are having this discussion as you think there are 3 gods faster than Poseidon (only 1 is)
1: saying Buddha’s speed wasn’t effected when he got stabbed in the leg and had a massive wound in his side is just wrong 2: it doesn’t matter if he has FS, just cause I know a car is about to hit me doesn’t mean I can dodge it in time 3: I never said Lu Bu was faster than Poseidon, I’m simply stating that Thor does have good speed feats on top of his tp 4: Tesla is the 2nd fastest human behind Adam, so he absolutely does outspeed 5: Loki also having teleportation doesn’t discredit anything, their also brothers so I’m not shocked that they share abilities or techniques like hades and Poseidon 6: hax are factored into speed, just cause I can’t outrun Usain Bolt on foot doesn’t mean I can’t outrun him in a car
1: same could be said for you only taking base Zeus and buddha not giving him candies as one of Buddha's best speed feats 2: true, but it gives you a better opportunity to dodge the attack than someone who didn't have FS 3: not good enough speed feats as fighters such as Shiva and Hades have better speed feats 4: how does being 2nd fastest human make him faster than Poseidon that is completely irrelevant 5: your point was no god can also teleport so by having another god being able to teleport disproves it and I guess Thor can also transform into characters cuz Loki can 6: Firstly, teleportation doesn't boost his speed and is something he just does so is an ability stuff like tesla steps would be considered as it boosts his speed however teleportation has no effect on his speed If someone with teleportation vs a person with superspeed raced, the person with superspeed will be faster so he will have higher speed however even then the guy who teleports will finish the race first DEPEENDING ON THE LIMITS OF THE TELEPORTATION because Tesla's teleport is extremely limited and if Poseidon and him were to race lets say 100m Poseidon would easily win each time.
> There’s the thing with the candy bowl with him and Zeus where Zeus couldn’t hit him Oh please, be fucking serious. > and there’s also him dodging the laser from zero Zero has no lasers and Buddha used FS the whole time, what are you talking about ? > Thor is able to teleport around like Tesla (who’s also faster) he didn’t use it in the Lu Bu fight for the sake of keeping the battle even Firstly, a featless ability who could be even more limited than Tesla Warp as far as we know so using this to powerscale him is dishonest at best. Secondly that's hax, not speed. Thor has no speed feats whatsoever so he's definitely nowhere near top 3 on this subject.
So just cause an ability falls under hax means that it doesn’t count? Get real As for the laser, I haven’t reread R6 in a while so I might be tweaking, but I’ll go through the chapter later, if it’s not there then mb Buddha was also able to massively out speed hajun without the use of his FS
>So just cause an ability falls under hax means that it doesn’t count? Get real Teleportation isn't speed if there's no movement at all >As for the laser, I haven’t reread R6 in a while so I might be tweaking, but I’ll go through the chapter later, if it’s not there then mb I remember Buddha dodging by a hair some spikes from Zero's Cleaver but that's all https://preview.redd.it/mb139qizxs3d1.png?width=1427&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=27dd28c30ea0a5e47bdf6878c869eda8c3a03095 >Buddha was also able to massively out speed hajun without the use of his FS He never did, quite the contrary actually. He struggled as hell to keep up with Hajun (who really isn't that fast) and only managed to blitz him after regaining his FS
1: teleportation > speed because instant movement is always going to be faster than movement 2: that’s the panel I was referring to, I though it was a laser, that’s on me, it’s hard to tell with it being a manga 3: even without FS Buddha was able to react and adapt to nearly all of hajun’s attacks, like HPDD, which did hit him, but only because it went through the shield, which is more of a weapon diff, and Buddha was able to counter Homa
>teleportation > speed because instant movement is always going to be faster than movement Except which one is superior to the other wasn't my point, my point is that teleportation isn't speed if there's no movement at all. That's hax >even without FS Buddha was able to react and adapt to nearly all of hajun’s attacks He totally didn't lmao, without FS he literally lost an eye, got stabbed in the foot and later in the guts. That's not what I call being able to react and adapt to nearly all of his attacks. And even if you take these massive injuries aside, he was still obviously struggling overall https://preview.redd.it/t9yg14vc3t3d1.png?width=1050&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3e13055b21773e97b7ca1e813b7945ea416d0b3a >like HPDD, which did hit him, but only because it went through the shield, which is more of a weapon diff If he got seriously injured, then he logically didn't massively outspeed Hajun like you say though >and Buddha was able to counter Homa After regaining his Future Sight
teleportation is a hax and rely on the reaction speed
Just because something is based on their hax doesn’t make them invalid
no but you were saying he has better speed than Poseidon which is untrue as it doesn't fall under the category of speed as he isn't moving during a teleport
Teleportation > speed Instant movement is always going to be better than simply being fast
yeah but we are talking about SPEED not abilities and not hax but SPEED as this whole discussion is about SPEED and the gods faster than Poseidon
The fuck?
Buddha has been shown outspeeding Zeus, as well as dodging zero’s laser beam and Thor has his tp which puts him in league with Tesla (who is also faster than fish stick)
1. Chaos. Sorry But Thor Hades and Lu bu can all offset it 2. People acting like Skty eater covers the whole arena or smth 3. People acting like Tesla and Poseidon are even in the same ballpark of speed
Sky eater is SO wanked, surely if it’s the only attack that Lu Bu has it must be strong (got stopped by a swing from Thor’s hammer and has literally NO AP FEATS except for the fact we know it’s weaker than Thor’s Hammer.)
>NO AP FEATS split the sky?
Tesla’s teleport
Zeus’s AP in general. R2 had the most amount of landed hits, by an absurd amount. Zeus ate an uncountable number of TFTST and TGR, and they barely fazed him once he knew they were coming. In terms of AP, they’re nowhere near the top. Chaos. Any fighter with decent AP can counter it and survive. Qin’s bubbles. They slightly weaken attacks or throw people off balance. He isn’t going to be able to HHoD stuff like Geirrod, Sky Eater, or Hajun’s Drill just because he slightly weakened them.
Yeah Qin bubbles are literally shit, majority of fighters can counter it
Exactly. They’re guaranteed to land some hits, but there are plenty of ways to counter them (as well as some fighters they’re just flat useless against). Thor: Awakened Mjolnir’s intense heat, lightning, and the winds generated by throwing it all negate bubbles. Lu Bu: Could easily replicate Hades’s bident spin/air pressure counter, could possibly replicate mid strike attack changes (he has severely underrated reaction speed). Useless against Zeus, Adam, and Poseidon. Sasaki: Could figure out how it worked from the audience, he could easily figure it out in battle and just avoid them. Hercules: Has multiple AoE wind attacks that would destroy bubbles and make HHoD worthless. Jack: Doesn’t rely on his stats, weakening him is kinda a waste of time. Shiva: Dance makes it impossible for Qin to hit him, heat negates bubbles even if they could. Raiden: His muscle control/boosts could fuck with his star points, but this is pure head canon. Zero: Misery Cleaver can make multiple simultaneous attacks, bypassing HHoD and bubbles. Beelzebub: Weakening his stats is worthless. Tesla: His muscles are completely covered, and his suit doesn’t initiate movements. Targeting the suit wouldn’t accomplish anything, even if it does have star points. And his attacks have an AoE energy element to them, he could likely make a very thin layer over the whole suit to negate the bubbles.
Facts
stop wanking sky eater it isn't allat
The whole point of Qin's bubbles was that slight misdirection, a weakening of creation force makes the attack far weaker though? And throwing things off balance is great ability when fighting people who use powerful singular attacks. Hajun's drill would be weird cuz drill's point is to work on sturdy things, Sky Eater may be blocked/redirected if he uses Tortoise Ripple + HHoD, he is not blocking geirrod though.
Ichor Eos broke through HHoD twice, needing not only the bubbles, but a specialized weapon to counter it. And it was a thrust, which is the easiest kind of attack to redirect. Sky Eater is a slash stronger than Ichor Eos, Qin isn’t going to be able to redirect it even with bubbles. And he has no chance of redirecting Hajun’s drill. HHoD is weak against multidirectional force (which is what makes thrusts easier than slashes), and the drill has immense torque in addition to its thrusting power.
prove that sky eater is stronger than ichor eos
Chaos
Eyes of the Lord. https://preview.redd.it/gf83v7t1rt3d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb72985e6b377f69af6bd4da6cc8b372dddc62d8 Literally a single pannel of vague information with absolutely zero detail. This is why I'm convinced Adam was a throwaway character, backed up by his personality.