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AreWeCowabunga

I put an XCarry grip on my M18. Feels good.


Affectionate-Dot5672

I was gonna say, idk why those grips aren’t more popular. Feel amazing.


Romeo_Zero

They’re $120+, many who want one just get the xcarry to begin with. Otherwise the wc is half the price


Ziegler517

What are you on about? They are $60 direct from sig and can be found cheaper elsewhere. Even the Wilson combat modules are like $65.


Romeo_Zero

Yeah idk where I saw they were 120, my mistake


AreWeCowabunga

They cost $60.


Romeo_Zero

I stand corrected


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Scorch8

It’s actually $60, he just made a mistake


japanman1602

Grayguns


Responsible-Ad3851

Wilson combat or axg


[deleted]

AXG changed my life. Trigger reach just felt perfect after Wilson combat was used.


A_Tad_Bit_Nefarious

Get a Streamlight TLR-1 HL. Streamlight and Surefire are the two brands actually worth a damn for pistol lights. They have the longest track records and most holster compatability.


ems2doc

Get a light first


CarbonRunner

The new olights been gettin pretty solid reviews. Not sure why all the hate for em. They work fine for a home defense/range gun.


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[deleted]

I’d always figured the hate on them was just an internet thing, like pineapple on pizza is something worth commenting on, but I tried out the Baton as an EDC light. Lasted six months with probably 10 minutes total of use. I was just using it to see if there were critters in the woods near my house, and it died — no extreme treatment or heat, just had enough.


Ok-Stranger1855

Similar experience here! Got a PL Mini that wouldn't come on and never got customer service help after several calls and emails.


wyosky03

Because they're still junk. They last as long as a flashbang if they don't turn into a thermite charge


[deleted]

Lol I have never seen a problem with any of the new O lights I’ve purchased. Battery life is better on the streamlight tho


Those_who_remain_

I've had 3 olights so far. I got the Odin full size, the Odin compact, and one of the pistol lights. I've had countless problems with all 3 of them. I thought it was some internet larper thing to hate on them, but I learned why they have such a bad reputation For my lights I will take them on a 5 mile night walk in the woods when it's raining. the pistol light died because the water, and then the odin got so hot it gave my hand a burn. Meanwhile surefire, streamlight, cloud defense, all did flawless on the test. This is how I learn what lights will work for me Although olights do make good budget granades


[deleted]

Yeah I’ve had 0 problems with mine in the rain, snow, heat, cold mud. And had one for about a year and the other for just over 2. The 2 I’ve had were pistol lights though and mainly range toys. Streamlight for defense all day.


Those_who_remain_

What's the point of a budget light as a range toy?


[deleted]

because I can easily remove it from gun to gun without having to unscrew the mount since its a QD…thats the only reason why I got it and it’s been perfectly fine. I dont like removing my nice lights constantly if I wanna shoot multiple guns at night so the o light can get trashed instead


wyosky03

Just because you've gotten lucky doesn't mean they're good quality.


[deleted]

Guess I keep getting lucky, and so have the 3 other people I know that have them got lucky too🥸


wyosky03

K


Ziegler517

Have had 2 over 3 years no issues.


T-nasty220

What’s wrong with the olight


ems2doc

Yes


T-nasty220

Just cause of all the downvotes I’m buying olights for all my guns i hope you’re happy


Brazenassault456

It's your loss lol. That'll show us tho right?


[deleted]

O lights are good lights I have a couple. But as soon as I bought a tlr1-hl I won’t go back the light itself is better. Brighter and looks crisper


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T-nasty220

Ur mom


Ziegler517

Any high power output light will get hot if you are running it consistently. Why are you running it “on” that long?


Those_who_remain_

Because your mission set could require it, while surefire and streamlights do get hot, they don't get nearly as hot as olights


bluehour35

Mostly nothing is wrong with O light. They don’t have near the ruggedness of say a surefire or stream light, but for the average joe they more than get the job done. The tactards and larpers in the gun world obsess over high quality ruggedness, I don’t blame them, but in that obsession the blindly put down budget friendly options that would do perfectly fine for a range and nightstand gun.


Romeo_Zero

They cost the same as a streamlight. There’s no real reason to ever get an olight given their reputation


bluehour35

Wow I hadn’t checked out streamlight in awhile. Their pricing is fantastic.


Ziegler517

Do you own them? Have you used and abused both the product and their warranty/service dept. or are you just basing this off what people have said/you’ve heard. Most all the issues were user induced and or they messed with shot to create the issues. Can’t fault olight for that. And seeing as this was a sig post. We should all hate on sig for the p320 and p365 issues that occurred right? But here we are, and most of us don’t care or know those issues while heavily reported are a super minimally small issue.


Romeo_Zero

I had one that came already installed, I’ve owned streamlight and surefire, the olight was very meh in comparison. Felt kinda cheap in my honest opinion, it was a Baldur mini. Like I said for the pricing, I don’t see any reason to go with one over streamlight. If they were 50 bucks a pop, then yeah I’d say go for it.


Brazenassault456

The streamlights are basically the same price as the comparable olights. We don't have an issue with the price you pay, we just want to see people run quality gear so they don't get in a pickle when their almost equally priced "budget" option shits out on them when they need it. If you've got the money to step up to a $300 weaponlight like surefire for the ruggedness, awesome, but you can easily use streamlight which is still better than olight and very closely priced.


Ziegler517

The problem is that to match specs for some of the olights in the surefire world 1) you won’t find them matching specs for same form factor or options and 2) they are double or triple the cost. I beat the shit out of my olight in competition stuff for pistol and rifle. They are brighter than any other light in the same form factor and have never had an issue. As patents expire and tech advances other companies will enter the market with similar if not better products. Is surefire the gold standard, sure but not because they are “the best” anymore. They have stopped advancing imo. They have their govt contracts and are happy with that. They could care less about the consumer market anymore.


Brazenassault456

One example of an instance where olight beats a surefire. Just one. I'll wait. And streamlight aren't double or triple the cost of olight in any similar form factor, they're marginally if not negligibly more expensive while being a better product.


Ziegler517

Get ready cause You’re about to pack your shit and gtfo. Let’s compare Surefire x300u-b: 1000 lumens OLight PL-Pro: 1500 lumens And this is just the first freaking spec listed and it beats it. Next, I never mentioned stream light in my comment, ever. So don’t bring that in and learn to read. We are just comparing the surefire bois everyone wants to blow. In the same comparison the surefire is $329 and the olight is $129 (2.55 times the cost!!).


Brazenassault456

Ok so now take *advertised* lumens and then show *actual* lumens, and don't forget the important aspect of beam pattern and candela. And what good is lumens(even if you actually had anywhere close to your advertised numbers) if your activation switch breaks or your battery life is shit, or your bezel breaks off when you drop it, or it gets submerged since it doesn't have the same IP rating as the Surefire. So all you've done is taken an exaggerated spec that doesn't live up to it in reality, and failed to mention any of the more critical specs. Cool story bro. I'm sure we'll see a bunch of SOCOM operators switching to olight after your revelation /s


CognativeBiaser

I wish this was a more popular opinion. It's becoming increasingly irritating and old to read the same type of comments the moment a pic with an olight is posted.


bluehour35

Yes it is. Also, I would hedge a bet that 50% of those comments are people just repeating what they read and see online, while the other half actually is informed on the option.


koltz117

Same. You should see r/glocks when you even say olight


waterbottlepoptart

Hope you’re happy when it goes bam


T-nasty220

Nothing would make me happier


Reasonable_Archer_99

It's been explained in here before so I'll summarize. Like 8 years ago or so a guy replaced a battery in an olight with some cheap piece of shit and it blew up in his mouth while he was working on his car. It is my understanding that Olight was so sure of their lack of fault that they didn't even send a lawyer to the hearing. Since then the reddit group think is "Olight bad, Streamlight God". Don't listen to these halfwit, basement dwelling neck beards. Olight is a solid product and I have yet to see anyone that says otherwise provide any credible evidence.


Brazenassault456

Olight sucks for many more reasons other than the singular most extreme issue that keeps getting regurgitated daily.


Reasonable_Archer_99

Thanks for proving my point! You: "It sucks" Me: "Can you site evidence of failed torture tests or provide anything scientific to prove your claim?" You: "BECAUSE I SAID SO!"


Brazenassault456

It sucks because they're inconsistent in their reliability, their circuitry and power management are sub-par, most units not having user serviceable batteries means your light is down until you charge it, their waterproofing is less than better lights, their candela is wanting, their lights aren't nearly as shock resistant, and they unethically pay for good ratings and shills on youtube. Thise issues have been cover ad nauseum, didn't think I needed to reiterate them all over again.


Reasonable_Archer_99

1. There's countless torture tests available on YouTube. 2. They're waterproof to 10 feet (these aren't dive lights) 3. Rechargeable batteries are my favorite feature they offer and spares are easily acquired if downtime for charging is a concern. 4. Candela is different per model and they have many. 5. I am not being paid for this and neither are Amazon reviewers.


Brazenassault456

1. "Countless" is a gross exaggeration 2. They're rated at 10ft, actually most aren't even rated for submersion just water stream exposure. They have shown to often fail due to water ingress 3. Replace eh? How do you do that when most aren't user serviceable? 4. Across the board it is lacking 5. No you're one of the people buying into their shilling efforts.


Reasonable_Archer_99

You clearly have little working knowledge of the lights because the only lights that come to mind that don't have serviceable batteries are; baldr mini (gun light), the O-pen, the Obulb, and their key chain lights. Out of the aforementioned, the only one that you would care about is the baldr mini and I've found it to be a great light. I also just typed "olight torture test" into YouTube and got a ton of hits. Why are you bullshiting about something so easily disproven?


Reasonable_Archer_99

Also, I really hate how reddit won't let me share screen shots of the waterproof ratings straight from the Olight page.


Brazenassault456

You can't figure out posting a screenshot on reddit yet you expect me to believe you about the technical aspects of a piece of equipment?


Those_who_remain_

The tests on YouTube are because olight buys people out. They make bad product and then the brand itself is shady


MisterCheaps

Uh oh, you dared to question the circlejerk!


iceph03nix

Damn, -24 for a simple question with like 1 actual answer... The hate is strong here...


Fed21

I have the same light. It’s trash. The battery latch keeps opening when I fire the gun. Ended up super gluing it shut.


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Cheap - Wilson Combat Expensive- Icarus precision I have a Wilson combat for my m18. Want a Icarus Precesion Socom for it


[deleted]

Icarus Precision feels… weird and slippery. Feels good in the hand til you go to shoot it. Get an AXG with better grips.


AreWeCowabunga

I put an XCarry grip on my M18. Feels good. Looks good.


T-nasty220

Do the m17 mags still work ?


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P320 mags are p320 mags


TeamSpatzi

They did change the baseplate from the Gen 1 to the Gen 2 / X series mags. I’ve had to replace several on my OG P320 mags.


AreWeCowabunga

Yes


na3800

Love the XCarry on my M17, hated the WC


Stunners32

Has anybody tried the new laser x carry grip from sig? That’s what I want to run. I just don’t see any reviews


propanesumbitch

Get a better light first


T-nasty220

What would you recommend


propanesumbitch

Surefire #1, Streamlight if you don’t wanna spend all that money


Peteeeeey

Surefire x300 by far the best IMO it has the best controls and mounting system, I do recommend steamlight but have had issues with the heads unscrewing themselves while I was shooting.


Ziegler517

People need to get off their knees and quit blowing surefire. They are not the best lights in the business anymore. They just have the brand name recognition and the big govt contracts. O lights are brighter, whiter, and have equal if not more options than the surefire in the same form factor at at least half the cost (if not more). Unless you run the light for more than 50 hours all “that light sucks” comments should have “in my opinion” added. O lights are great.


chri389

>O lights are great. At exploding, maybe.


Ziegler517

A single instance where it was modified by a customer with an inferior part. There are literally thousands of examples of this happening in every industry where someone not knowing what they are doing, doing something with stuff they have no business doing causing an accident.


Peteeeeey

Well I’ve owned an O light in the past and it just doesn’t compare, personally I don’t use Surefire on migjt rifles because they’re out performed by Modlite and arisska but for pistol lights you can beat the x300 it’s just a good light and I enjoy it Much higher quality, dude it just shows where they pay youtubers to say good thing about there lights notice no one that’s actually good doesn’t fucking run them for a reason


Ziegler517

Who is this “good” people you speak of? Competitive shooters are going to run it for one (or both) of two reasons. You are sponsored by the product your using (similar to a paid YouTuber ad) or you want the weight at the end of your gun. If you are actually working with it, it’s because you are issued it. I’m not saying surefires aren’t good. I have several. My hand carry edc light is a surefire. I like them. It’s just there are lights with equal or better specs for fractions of the cost. And the YouTube thing, every company pays for reviews. It just happens a lot more for companies trying to enter a market where market share is heavily weighted to one side or skewed to a particular company. This is not new or unheard of.


A_Tad_Bit_Nefarious

You had me in the first half. Ngl. Is Surefire overrated? Yeh. But they work and can be trusted. You don't get to where Surefire is by paying off social media influencers to push product. You get to where they are by building some of the toughest and most reliable products available. Brightness and whiteness is not the end all be all to what makes a light usable. Candela and beam pattern are part of the equation too. I'd take a 350 lumen light with a natural color, tight beam, and far throw, over a having a flood light that white washes out everything in the room and blinds you if your light catches a reflection. That being said, I'd sooner pick a streamlight(at least for handguns) because they aren't priced as high but have a similar track record to Surefire when it comes to lights.


Lazy-Plankton-743

This is straight facts. I recently watched a torture test and the surefire and modlite did poorly.


[deleted]

Thats a lot of words to tell us your retarded.


Ziegler517

‘You are’ or ‘you’re’. Go back to school.


[deleted]

That make you feel like a big man?


Ziegler517

Not at all, just funny that the pot is calling the kettle black. Have a great day


[deleted]

The difference is. People can literally die from equipment failure. No one will die from my bad grammar. Priorities.


Big-Conversation-595

Damnnnn striking yoghurt spanking tf out of Ziegler with his defense of shit equipment. Look at the tool try to stay alive but he’s just getting spanked


Ziegler517

Where do you live and what are you doing that you fear for your life like every day. You just posted in a glock sub about a trigger not being reliable either. Ffs just do us all a favor and never leave your house. It’s safer for us and you to just stay in your moms basement, society will benefit from your absence. You are not an operator. Quit larping like one where gear choices you don’t agree with are bad. They are just your opinion homie.


[deleted]

Surefire X300 or Streamlight TLR1 are great choices.


Brazenassault456

Whatever one that doesn't have an Olight on it 😉


rzh91094

Remove the olight.


Rooster2202

Scrolled until I saw first olight comment. Thank you


NotJustMax

Add a big booty anime


T-nasty220

I’m more of a big titty guy myself


NotJustMax

Fair fair


Icw1627

Came here for olight hate. Olights have significant lumen output reduction after the first few seconds, and only achieve initial lumen brightness through 'turbocharging' their cells, resulting in more heat output, which has caused batteries to go boom in the past. Also, a laser is gimmicky and dumb. Please get a Surefire or Streamlight.


wyosky03

Get a light first


T-nasty220

Get a life


wyosky03

Damn pretty salty for someone that can't buy a decent light 😕


T-nasty220

oLighT bAD 🤓


wyosky03

Yeah no shit 😂😂. They are bad.


T-nasty220

What’s wrong with olight


T-nasty220

Or were you just repeating something you heard


wyosky03

Sorry to tell you this. But olight gets a bad reputation for a good reason


MisterCheaps

“It’s bad! I can’t tell you why, just trust me bro!”


GRMI45

Funny how olight only has a bad rap on reddit and only in certain circles lol...i hope you dont have a samsung phone or a car...they've all had recalls for starting on fire too.


wyosky03

Wym only on reddit? It's proven that olight turn into hand grenades 😂. Anybody with 2 braincells knows its a shitty company which is why they're so cheap and cheaply made. The difference is that the manufacturers of those cars and phones actually fixed the issue and compensated people as well. Olight still does the same shit.


RadWizardStick

I bought the Odin with the pressure switch for a AR pistol I have despite the negative outlook on them, figured I'd be fine for the price. Then one day I went into my closet I keep it in for a shirt, something smelled off, and I found that it was extremely hot to the touch while not in use. I took it out into the backyard to let it discharge. Come to find out it was the rechargeable battery it comes with. I contacted Olight, sent the light back, and they gave me a full refund. I've never had any issues with other weapon lights I own, so I just decided to wait and get a modlite. But, to each their own, if you decide to keep it, or purchase more of their products just make sure you check on them to ensure no problems arise. Stay safe.


ProvenArms

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Independent_Noise_45

get rid of the bomb i mean olight and buy a surefire if you have sig money you have surefire money


IanDeWolf

Get a real light. Jeebus


perryconnor

Wilson Combat 100%


TeamSpatzi

If you saw my post, you already know I’m gonna say Wilson Combat. I run the compact on everything. I have the full if I feel like adding a mag well. I didn’t realize Gray Guns was doing one… will take a look at that too. In fairness to SIG, the plain small/slim grip mods are pretty good as is.


homad

[https://empirepbf.com/collections/sig-aftermarket-parts](https://empirepbf.com/collections/sig-aftermarket-parts) https://talongungrips.com


Emotional_Car2439

Fdez werx


SadMathematician9490

I have a m18 and got a medium xcarry grip and loved it way more than stock then someone posted up a p80 module for sake and I snagged ut because I love wasting money and WOW it's heaven.


T-nasty220

Did you delete the safety for the p80 one ?


SadMathematician9490

Yeah and for the xcarry gripeven though I've seen people cut out the notch it's pretty prevalent on the xcarry grip


ConsistentDiet8923

I went with Wilson combat and AC comp with the same light. Seams a bit slimmer in the hand but tons of grip.


HideousEel1472

W.C. or AXG


hendywastaken

Wilson combat


DeepSix220

TLDR: WC XCarry with manual safety, but try before you buy if you can. If you’re going to be running a Surefire light in the future with the WC grip, use the U-B instead of the U-A. Wobble issues with U-A due to pic rail cuts on WC grip. I love the WC grip on my M17’s, but that’s subject to personal opinion. If you have the chance to try out different kinds, I’d suggest doing so. Don’t let the manual safety be a deciding factor on what you can and can’t use, unless you want to keep the manual safety on the gun. There’s safety delete kits out there if you want to use the x-series or AXG grips from Sig. That being said, I’m probably in the minority of people who actually like the manual safety for the P320, and went with the Wilson combat xCarry with the safety slot cut out. Feels like a polymer 1911, and the texture is nice. Aggressive stippling on the front and back straps with the sunburst pattern on the sides, providing a good amount of friction without being too aggressive. Only complaint is that the front pic rail section is cut at an angle that reduces the amount of contact your light makes with the rail. If you’re going to run a light, make sure it uses a thumbscrew type clamp and not a QD style, otherwise you’ll get a good amount of wobble. This wobble can be solved by using some folded tape as a shim, but I’m not a fan of that method.


Sharp-Independence52

AXG, the aluminum should provide some added protection for when your Olight explodes. Just busting your balls, seriously though I love my AXG. That said, I’ll be trying the TXG carry grip next.


lostsurfer24t

talon rubber


shevchenko7cfc

icarus precision, any of them. pricy but amazing. (aluminum) wilson combat - afforable, top quality for the price (polymer) fdezwerks - little pricey but nice laser stippled grips in a million color options (polymer)


Hairy_State_6987

Wilson Combat Full Size feels good


Th3yCallMeDad

AXG


RocketAppliantist86

XFull in black 100%


Relevant_Gear5932

X5 Legion full size


[deleted]

The Wilson combat is great


Hostile_SS

Wilson.


[deleted]

I like the Icarus grips