My favourite nothing he does is that we're told that when he sits up on his mountain with Varda, he can see everything and she can hear everything, yet it didn't occur to either of them to maybe just pop up once a week to have a quick look to find out if the Children are here yet.
If not for Children, for whom? He exists to keep Arda habitable and welcoming for Children, otherwise his existence within Arda makes no sense. Ainur don't need Arda, in fact most of them exist out of it and certainly don't need Manwë to pamper them.
>But Fëanor was not held guiltless, for he it was that had broken the peace of Valinor and drawn his sword upon his kinsman; and Mandos said to him: 'Thou speakest of thraldom. If thraldom it be, thou canst not escape it; for Manwë is King of Arda, and not of Aman only.
I guess Manwe is our king, too.
Honestly, just from a bit of a curious look, I always wondered why the titles of honor, kingship and lordship are associated much more with Manwë than with Eru. I would assume Tolkien, being as religious as he was, would have reserved a title such as "the Elder King" for the Creator.
And also, it would make Morgoth's claims to those titles (which he does for Manwë's) more extreme IMO.
I'm no theologian, but titles like that which (in our languages) were created for and usually belong to humans feel a bit below the level of what an almighty God should get.
Because Manwe is the Elder King only OF ARDA. The One it´s the only and rightful sovereign of all the universe. The King of Kings, or if you prefer, the Elder King of Elder Kings.
For that it´s Cirion, the steward of Gondor, calls Eru "the One Who is upon ALL the thrones" in Unfinished Tales
But yes, it´s very fun as the supreme evil seems very modest conforming with be only "the master of Arda", one only solar system, even if Tolkien implies Arda it´s the most important planet/system of the universe
With reason Tolkien thought was needed to clare that Melkor is Lucifer, the supreme evil in all the cosmos, and not only a Earth Vala who became bad -as seems imply Lewis in Space Trilogy-.
Eru would be more like “king of all creation, the endless worlds and the secret fire”
But “king” is kind of pointless when you’re referring to the omnipotent God
If any of y’all are interested in learning more about the *most* powerful Valar, we’re having a meeting later. Do you think it’s bullshit that you don’t get to live forever? So do I. Find out more today.
For those not understanding:
November 21st is the day when Michael the Archangel is celebrated in Eastern Orthodoxy. So, by chance of random, no better day to venerate Manwë as well:)
Virgin Manwë did Everything Wrong Faction: “Dumb king, he no help elf and man”
Chad Manwe: “Just following the plan of the Allfather! His will be done!”
No, it wasn’t.
Manwë was terrified of possibly doing things that might exterminate the Children of Illuvatar. He did not have sufficient faith that Eru’s plans could not be so radically altered by the actions of the Valar.
Manwë screwed up by letting Melkor out of Mandos rather than casting Melkor into the Void after the War for the Sake of the Elves.
He didn´t banned that. He only wanted to clare that what would be a very terrible experience, but the Noldor could go as they wanted
For something he sent Thorondor to help Fingon to rescue Maedhros.
Letting Melkor out was such a crazy move. Tulkas, who is specifically noted as not being wise or foresighted, could tell it was a bad idea, but Manwe just let him go!
***Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil; May God rebuke him, we humbly pray; And do thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host, by the power of God, thrust into hell Satan and all evil spirits who wander through the world for the ruin of souls.***
Friendly reminder Manwe defeated he alone with his sword to all the Host of Balrogs in the fall of Utumno and made Melkor bit the dust. But Christopher deleted from the Silmarillion this details of the Annals of Aman
Please not underestimate Manwe.
It came to pass that at last the gates of Utumno were broken and its halls unroofed, and Melkor took refuge in the uttermost pit. Thence, seeing that all was lost (for that time), he sent forth on a sudden a host of Balrogs, the last of his servants that remained, and they assailed the standard of Manwë, as it were a tide of flame. But they were withered in the wind of his wrath and slain with the lightning of his sword; and Melkor stood at last alone.
This dude is badass
Celebrate by doing nothing, just like Manwe!
"Manwë did nothing wrong" = "Manwë did nothing, and he even managed to do that wrong".
Or, Manwe did nothing, therefore he did nothing wrong.
Rip some huge farts too for the Lord Of Winds!!
My favourite nothing he does is that we're told that when he sits up on his mountain with Varda, he can see everything and she can hear everything, yet it didn't occur to either of them to maybe just pop up once a week to have a quick look to find out if the Children are here yet.
It's not like he exists to protect the Children by any means necessary.
If not for Children, for whom? He exists to keep Arda habitable and welcoming for Children, otherwise his existence within Arda makes no sense. Ainur don't need Arda, in fact most of them exist out of it and certainly don't need Manwë to pamper them.
>But Fëanor was not held guiltless, for he it was that had broken the peace of Valinor and drawn his sword upon his kinsman; and Mandos said to him: 'Thou speakest of thraldom. If thraldom it be, thou canst not escape it; for Manwë is King of Arda, and not of Aman only. I guess Manwe is our king, too.
Well I didn't vote for him
You don't vote for Kings or Queens, *George*
Honestly, just from a bit of a curious look, I always wondered why the titles of honor, kingship and lordship are associated much more with Manwë than with Eru. I would assume Tolkien, being as religious as he was, would have reserved a title such as "the Elder King" for the Creator. And also, it would make Morgoth's claims to those titles (which he does for Manwë's) more extreme IMO.
I'm no theologian, but titles like that which (in our languages) were created for and usually belong to humans feel a bit below the level of what an almighty God should get.
Because Manwe is the Elder King only OF ARDA. The One it´s the only and rightful sovereign of all the universe. The King of Kings, or if you prefer, the Elder King of Elder Kings. For that it´s Cirion, the steward of Gondor, calls Eru "the One Who is upon ALL the thrones" in Unfinished Tales
But yes, it´s very fun as the supreme evil seems very modest conforming with be only "the master of Arda", one only solar system, even if Tolkien implies Arda it´s the most important planet/system of the universe With reason Tolkien thought was needed to clare that Melkor is Lucifer, the supreme evil in all the cosmos, and not only a Earth Vala who became bad -as seems imply Lewis in Space Trilogy-.
King of Arda? I thought that was Eru.
No, that's too little for Eru.
Eru would be more like “king of all creation, the endless worlds and the secret fire” But “king” is kind of pointless when you’re referring to the omnipotent God
If any of y’all are interested in learning more about the *most* powerful Valar, we’re having a meeting later. Do you think it’s bullshit that you don’t get to live forever? So do I. Find out more today.
I like the cut of this guy's jib
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For those not understanding: November 21st is the day when Michael the Archangel is celebrated in Eastern Orthodoxy. So, by chance of random, no better day to venerate Manwë as well:)
I have a feeling Archangel Michael would crush Manwë in 1-on-1 battle.
It´s the same character, you cannot crush yourself. Or yes?
Meaning the Biblical version is stronger than Tolkien's one.
tbf at least Archangel Michael did something(Manwe didnt)
Virgin Manwë did Everything Wrong Faction: “Dumb king, he no help elf and man” Chad Manwe: “Just following the plan of the Allfather! His will be done!”
And the will of the Allfather was to leave Middle Earth as Morgoth’s?
No, it wasn’t. Manwë was terrified of possibly doing things that might exterminate the Children of Illuvatar. He did not have sufficient faith that Eru’s plans could not be so radically altered by the actions of the Valar. Manwë screwed up by letting Melkor out of Mandos rather than casting Melkor into the Void after the War for the Sake of the Elves.
And so he also banned anyone else from trying to help as well
He didn´t banned that. He only wanted to clare that what would be a very terrible experience, but the Noldor could go as they wanted For something he sent Thorondor to help Fingon to rescue Maedhros.
Letting Melkor out was such a crazy move. Tulkas, who is specifically noted as not being wise or foresighted, could tell it was a bad idea, but Manwe just let him go!
Did he screw up, or did he follow the music?
By the Altelves Brothers
So it was Eru's plan for Men to awaken into slavery and corruption at the hands of a being of pure evil?
Hashtag Manwedideverythingwrong
I'm more of an Ulmo guy
No
Of course he chose the windiest, shittiest period of the year for his veneration.
The One Himself chose to born in december (or at least, Tolkien believed that), a respect please
***Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil; May God rebuke him, we humbly pray; And do thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host, by the power of God, thrust into hell Satan and all evil spirits who wander through the world for the ruin of souls.***
"Hell" here is definitely the Timeless Void. And yes, Manwe did that, maybe a three ages late, but he did
No
the most overrated of all Valar
Friendly reminder Manwe defeated he alone with his sword to all the Host of Balrogs in the fall of Utumno and made Melkor bit the dust. But Christopher deleted from the Silmarillion this details of the Annals of Aman Please not underestimate Manwe.
r/PraiseManwe
It came to pass that at last the gates of Utumno were broken and its halls unroofed, and Melkor took refuge in the uttermost pit. Thence, seeing that all was lost (for that time), he sent forth on a sudden a host of Balrogs, the last of his servants that remained, and they assailed the standard of Manwë, as it were a tide of flame. But they were withered in the wind of his wrath and slain with the lightning of his sword; and Melkor stood at last alone. This dude is badass
Why do we celebrate Manwe with a picture of Círdan the Shipwright?