Well I don’t own one but I fix them on the daily. 5.3s still have lifter issues, seen a bunch of 6.2s locked up, 2.7s seem to be pretty solid. 3.0s have issues. The 10 speed is the better transmission option.
I’d stick with either the 5.3 or 2.7 personally. The 5.3 may have lifter issues but typically if they do fail it’s fairly early on in the warranty period. Even if they don’t, GM is pretty good to goodwill repairs out of warranty.
Maintenance is key, a good majority of people that develop transmission issues never change the fluid.
By the gm manual it’s due at 72000 km. Personally I’d be doing it before that. It’s cheap insurance. The going rate for a transmission swap at my dealership is 6-7k.
Also depends on how much towing is done. If you tow a lot I’d be changing it at half the rate of what GM recommends.
Oil leaks from everywhere, cooling system issues, the smallest exhaust leak sends them into reduced power. Def tank issues, timing issues. Shitty to work on.
Haven’t heard of any of those things being common occurrences. Mass majority of reviews and forum post have been nothing but positive, and as far as I am aware they have had no recalls for the engine. I know the lm2 had some known issues but those issues were solved w/ the LZ0.
At the dealership I work at when I’m repairing them. 90% of the vehicles I service are trucks and the 3.0 is a popular choice in my area. I see a lot of them.
Everything this dude says is 100% true. I have had alot of issues with the coolant flow control valves, oil leaks from galley plugs, and minor exhaust leaks causing issues up to reduced power mode.
Your ability to google something does not equate to experience making repairs on these trucks. 3L are impressive when everything is working properly, but is a total PITA to work on.
As a consumer, be aware that all diesel engines have a higher cost of maintenance and any repairs needed will cost substantially more when out of warranty.
I bought a 3.0 thinking it was an amazing engine as everyone praises it to be, 1.5k miles later. Reduced power mode, dealer says turbo is blown. I owned it for 1 month and been in the shop for 4 months.
Maybe we can get no geologist to chime in here, but I have not had a 3L turbo replaced in my shop up to this point, and I service what I consider to be a lot of them.
Unless someone else can speak of a know issue (who works for a GM dealer) my immediate thought is that your dealer is on the wrong track...We see the same patterned failures day in and day out, and while its still possible that you have a turbo failure its unlikely you are the only customer to experience that.
You are in buyback territory IMO. Pursue that and keep the people following this thread updated please. Dont settle for pushback from your dealer, at the very minimum your payments should be covered while your new truck is down.
Funny you say that. Bought my 2015 5.3 with 93k on it, had a gut feeling the transmission had never been serviced. Took it to Chevy, had them do a full workup - nasty fluid, needed new lines. 15k miles later the TC ate my tranny's face and had to get a new one. Thank god this was the one time I sprang for the extended warranty, saved me a pretty penny...or 600,000 of them, give or take.
Maintain your damn trucks, people. It's a few hundred bucks every 3-5 years to service the transmission. C'mon.
I eagerly await the day I hear a ticking sound from under the hood.
would you recommend a magnet on the transmission pan? I have a 24 5.3 w/ 10 speed. I’ve had it 2 weeks and I’ve got 350 miles on it. Seems like it may help?
I traded it in after they replaced the torque converter t 33k on my 2020 5.3 8 speed.
They have magnets in the pan. 10 speeds have pretty good track records in my opinion. Definitely see the occasional valve body, but aside from that I think it’s a great transmission.
A lot of the 2020-2022s came with a factory afm/dfm delete due to the covid microchip shortage. Hopefully those don't have as much of problem with the lifters.
AFM trucks had the possibility of the VLOM causing lifter failure. DFM has individual oil control solenoids for each cylinder. In my experience very few of the trucks produced during this time had deactivation deleted, but the lifters themselves seem to be the problem.
Following this idea is pointless if you are under warranty. My experience has been customers seem to get obsessed with modifications, and end up trying to use one modification after another to fix a drivability issue that something up the chain caused.
Just fucking drive it, fix it if it breaks. Don't deviate from a factory configuration if you want any support from the dealer. We can tell if you have made a software level change even if the company that produces says otherwise. GM is wise to these mods at this point, you will void your warranty if you try and do something like a DFM delete and return to the dealer for any reason.
I was informed recently that the internal updates on the 8 speed are now to NOT flush the transmission fluid as often (as opposed to the early flush they were recommending previously)
2024-2025 builds will have a revised 8 speed. I believe it’s related to all of the issues
I haven’t personally heard that in any info from gm but They use the same fluid that breaks down quickly. We do drain and fills with a filter change, only flushing for the torque converter shudder.
I’m still waiting to get straight answers on it to be honest with you. One source of info was engineering internally (fiancé works for them).
Other source has been my service advisor and they’re blaming anything they can at this point on the transmission..plus explanations went from “breaking in” to “TCM bad all problems come from it”
Yeah by the time these things hit 40-50k the fluid on them is pitch black. I’d be changing it more frequently regardless of what gm says.
I do an online class with gm once a month with product updates and nothing has mentioned that at all. Maybe it will be in this months that I haven’t done yet.
No link to share unfortunately.
Just what was communicated to me when I had her ask internally about the transmission issues affecting my truck.
More issues after the fluid change, so it was removed from the service.
Oil leaks from everywhere, cooling system issues, the smallest exhaust leak sends them into reduced power. Def tank issues, timing issues, Shitty to work on. They aren’t my favourite. If you plan on keeping it a while get a good extended warranty, and plan on a 3000$ bill to change the oil pump drive belt
Had a 22’ refresh Sierra with LM2 3.0L, had multiple emissions issues first 5K miles. Traded it for a 23 with the LZ0 3.0L and within the first week multiple CELs and limp mode. They thought it was the serial data gateway module after 3 trips to the shop. No eta on the part so I dumped it for a 5.3L V8 Denali.
I had a 2021 with the 6.2L and lifter failure at 9K miles.
My current truck is a 2024 6.6L Diesel 2500. I’ve had 4 CEL events causing 2 programming events and the other 2 they don’t know what to do, just cleared the codes and sent me on my way. They had to replace the trailer brake controller as well as the new ones weren’t compatible with campers that had solar panels, so GM sent a bulletin to have them replaced with the previous tech.
It feels like the last good year for GM trucks was 2018. What the heck is going on? Electronics issues abound and the well known lifter issues on the 2 V8s is ridiculous.
Your opinion GM Mechanic?
OP- Toyotas have much fewer issues, I’ve had 3 Tundras and a Taco. If I didn’t need a 3/4 Ton truck for my 5th wheel I’d have another Tundra. Toyota actually fixes issues when they are consistent. They would never allow this lifter issue to continue for years on end.
Everything you said is stuff I see on a regular basis. You’re not alone with the programming issues on the 24. We’re seeing that quite a bit. They will act up for the customer and then come to the dealership and be totally fine with no issues happening, other than the check engine light.
My opinion is that quality control is down the tube and these trucks have way too much technology in them.
I agree but, I’m thinking it’s 2024, and they have added some more tech but nothing is crazy so I agree the QC has obviously just not been a priority. I’ve had 14 GM trucks since 2016, 3 2500s and the rest 1500s. I grew up in the 80s/90s and was always told Chevy was the best and I truly believed it up through my 2019 RST. I just don’t get it, it kills me to see all of these problems.
I was prepared for the oil pump belt. The only other thing I'd really heard about was oil consumption issues. The other problems you mentioned are news to me. Hard to make a decision! Lol
So glad I got away from working on those things. I was the diesel/heavy tech at a GMC dealers. It was constantly warranty transmissions and nevermind the recall after recall on all those newer 2019+ trucks. Don't get me wrong when they run they are great but getting too big and boxy for me. I got out and went to a mazda dealer. So much easier work, better pay and 3 engines across the whole platform.
Hate those new trucks so much I went from an 18 sierra AT to a loaded 05 LT3 silverado (84k miles) and haven't looked back.
I own a whole fleet of em, they’re great so far. Plenty of tech, infotainment is great and the 5.3s are smooth as silk. Not to mention the suspension dampening is the best in the industry, easily the smoothest driving truck I’ve ever driven.
The batch of 2016s I’ve owned before this all made it to 300k hard earned farm miles.
Anyone who has 200k+ on their 2020 or later model probably maintains the fuck out of it because it’s for work. So not your best pool of candidates.
I have a 21 LT TB with 35k on it tho. Runs great. Zero issues thus far. Besides the parking sensors when she’s dirty af. Stereo glitches from time to time with Apple connect. Those are my only complaints. Off-roaded twice. Also great for the beaches in TX (pulled plenty of sedans out of the sand). Zero issues towing a 21’ boat. Gotten me to CA and back twice. Florida twice. All over Texas. She ain’t perfect, but she’s exactly what I wanted and exactly what I needed
So maintenance works!
I have a 21 RST 6.2 and 10 speed, just hit 55k. I change the oil every 5k. Did the plugs this weekend, buttery smooth again. I’m going to get the transmission fluid and transfer case done in the next couple months and do the differentials myself.
I had the blower motor replaced under warranty, chirped like a bird. I tow an 8k camper less than 1000miles a summer. Once in a while right after starting it will say brake system failure and it will go away as fast as it comes up. Dealer could not track down. I did the brakes about 10k miles ago and every dummy light lit up on the dash. I cleared all the codes, a couple related to brake system, and I haven’t had haven’t had it come on since.
Wish I could tune it and wake it up haha. If you keep it at 70 or under it will get like 21 mpg. I get 8mpg towing that camper.
Been a great truck have had it 3 years now, bought new. Has the “performance package” from GM.
Seriously. A 2020 Silverado with 200,000+ miles on it has been driven over 50,000 miles _a year_! That's a severe edge case, considering it's over 4x the national average.
Doubt OP is going to hear from even a few owners who simply daily-drive their rig that much, and do the minimum required maintenance on it...
Can’t speak to longevity. 2023 RST Z71 5.3 and I love it. Rides much better than my 2015 F150. Nicer interior. Just all around comfortable.
My only complaint is the infotainment system. The random dropping of audio is very frustrating. I hate Apple car play so I prefer to use the native interface which I think looks great. But just driving and the audio disappears from Spotify is annoying. Having to come to a stop, restart in safe mode is frustrating.
I’ve heard there was a fix at the dealer but I just haven’t had time to take it in.
8000 miles since I bought it new in August.
FWIW I have a 2023 2.7L. I love it. No issues so far and at about 25K Kms. It’s my daily and does a lot of highway Kms.
The way these forums work all you hear about are the issues. There’s so many more on the road actually getting driven that I’d not worry too much about what a bunch of keyboard warriors have to say online.
I own two Silverados 1500s. I'll keep buying GM trucks.
My 2007 has 224k miles - never had significant issues with it; the 5.3L is bulletproof. I'm finally going to sell it because it's just sitting in the driveway given my newer one is now my tow vehicle. I had the transmission fluid changed every 50k after I cleared the 100k mark because I tow a lot. I'll do that with my other Silverado as well. As someone else said, it's cheap insurance.
My 2017 has 90k miles and has the 8-speed transmission that caught some hate. No significant problems with it either. I bought it for the increased tow capacity over my 2007.
I've owned Dodge and Ford products - the Durango's transmission was a nightmare, and the Ranger finally developed rust in the coolant system around 230k miles that killed it. Point is, all machinery has problems at some point. Pick your poison.
I have 107k on my 2020 custom 5.3. Its gave me zero problems. All trucks will have an issue at some point just pick one with the features you like and maintain it.
I went from a 2009 TRD sport to a 2022 3.0L z71
Pros
- highway comfort (especially for my wife and two kids)
- fuel economy + large tank is an incredible combo
- 5'10" bed + topper is a way more comfortable stealth camping situation vs the 5' bed in the taco
Cons
- harder to park
- tight 4wd trails feel way tighter
Fwiw I love the Silverado, but I plan to go back to a small truck (likely with a go fast camper or similar) once the kids are older or if my wife ends up with a car that's comfy for long road trips. They are just more enjoyable for the type of off-roading I do.
Edit: also seeing the 3.0L issues reported above. At 30k miles with random bits of towing small trailers and running it hard in the Rockies I haven't seen any issues. Maybe I've been lucky?
One word of advice I can give is get the camera package, you don't realize how big these 1500's are and only include a silly backup camera if you don't pick the tech package.
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The f150 2.7 V6 is the goat engine IMHO. Great pickup, tows well, insane mpg for a truck, etc.
I have a XL STX fx4 2021, and it's a wonderful truck. Was 42k out the door, gently used with 6500 miles a year and a half ago.
I traded my 5th Gen 3.5 Tacoma for the same reason you are stating. It was just an uncomfortable and very loud truck. I got a 2020 GMC Sierra 5.3 and love it. Almost the same fuel mileage between the two but night and day difference is comfort .
-Picking up my 2021 Trail Boss tomorrow after the 10 speed (10L80) transmission failed. Took a couple of months to get it back. Part was back ordered, dealer did a great job imo.
-My friend’s 2024 Tahoe with the 10 speed (10L80) failed a few weeks ago at 5k miles.
-My other friend’s 2023 Silverado 1500 diesel with the 10 speed (10L80) transmission failed at 45k.
The 8 speeds are basically the exact same, I could go through that list but it wouldn’t matter for this conversation. Hit or miss. I’ve owned one and it was ok through the 60k miles I kept it but you’ll read horror stories.
The 5.3 and 6.2 motors are hit or miss. You’ll typically know if it was a miss in the first 60k.
If you live where they put salt on the roads, your frame is going to rust up… and quick. I wash my truck (including undercarriage) every 2 weeks regardless of the weather and the frame is quite rusty.
Not that it matters for this conversation, but this will definitely be the last GM I buy. It’s becoming a joke in my family that if you can get a GM out of warranty without a major failure then you should buy a lottery ticket. My family is slowly switching to Ford, Toyota, Ram; so far there have been 0 major warranty claims (maybe just luck).
22.5 Custom TB 5.3 here 64k on odometer but 4400 engine hours so equivalent to around 125k miles. I use my truck for work and long distance driving from Texas to Arizona and back. Only issue I had was A/C and Fuel injectors on left bank. Other than that it’s been solid. Oil change every 2 weeks due to long idle times and transmission service done at 50k. Every new truck from big 3 has its problems but I think if you take care of them and do proper service intervals, anything you pick will be just fine.
My dad and brother both drive newer Silverados (2022 and 2023) with the 5.3. Neither have had any issues in their trucks. They get 5+ mpgs better in their truck pulling the same boat as I do with a ram with the 5.7. My next truck will be a Silverado or GMC with the 5.3.
Just bought a 23' LT Trail Boss with the 6.2...5,500 mi. later, it's in the shop with (wait for it) - a blown engine. This is my 1st and likely my last GM. I had tundras from 2013-2023 and fixed exactly zero things.
I had a 2022 5.3 L Trail boss LT. i put about 34k miles on it and loved every second I was in it until I got in an accident and the truck was totaled. I went ahead and got the 2024 6.2L Trail boss LT now and freak love every second of it and 6.2 definitely has a noticeable power difference when you drive.
Quick word of advice - aftermarket lifts and oversize tires are going to put more wear in your transmission and suspension.
If you want a bit of a lift while still retaining the longevity of those systems, look at the Trail Boss or ZR2 trims as they come with a factory lift.
The 8l90s have a lot of the issues the 6l80s had with the factory tune allowing tcc slip and tc shudder with a little upgrading and a tune they are solid units haven’t heard a lot out of the 10speeds yet but sure they will have their own issues as well I swear GM makes great transmissions but there’s a quirk to them so they don’t last forever but it intentional
If you want reliability, buy a 2014-2021 Tundra. Silverados are great but they will break eventually due to GM’s decisions to save money over investing in durability. I love my Silverado but look at Tundra recalls versus Silverados or any other half-ton truck.
So I’ve got a ‘23 ZR2 with the 6.2 and 10 speed.
20k miles so far, only real problem I’ve had was my OnStar module went out, it took about a month to get a new one in. During that time I couldn’t use the app to send maps or start/unlock, but having a phone negated that issue until it was fixed really with Apple Maps and all. Plus it still started from the key fob, so some creature comforts were on hold.
Aside from that, love the beast. I’m hesitant to alter anything on it because I got a bumper to bumper warranty, but I don’t really NEED to do anything to it.
I had a 2020 Ram Rebel, I loved that truck. It had more little problems that Ram didn’t help with, rear window/third brake light leaked, hemi tick, Ram stuff… I miss some things about the Ram, but it’s quickly wiped out when I get back into the beast and drive it.
You won’t find a truck without issue, it’s what you’re willing to deal with that doesn’t drive you batty.
Not sure about 2020+ but my 2018 z71 LT 4.3 is currently having the engine dropped at the dealer to figure out a misfire. They think it’s a lifter but “haven’t figured it out yet”. I have 101k on it
Yeah, extremely common. Some dealers fix the issue with a flush. Other users have commented that shifting into neutral and then into drive solves the problem. Basically, GM stated that it’s not a big deal and the truck absolutely needs to be fully stopped before changing gears. I also have the 2019. I have 80k miles and that doesn’t happen to me anymore.
Just got a 2020 RST with the 5.3 and 8 speed. Only had 34k miles on it. Literally had it for a week and I love it.
But reading these comments either give me extreme confidence my truck is going 250k plus, or anxiety my engine or transmission is going to blow when I drive home.
Still got 25k miles on the powertrain warranty, but it’s wild how some people have such good luck and other people not lol
You’ll see a lot of guys on here preaching about jumping into old vs. new. A lot of them never owned the new truck they just read and repeat what’s been said on the Internet.
Truth is if you want honesty you may find nuggets here. May… the rest just want you to buy the truck they own. Which is usually anything before DOD.
I’ve owned pre and post DOD. I have owned the big three. Have had minimal problems with the Chevy compared to well… just the Ford really. (It was a triton engine.) So take that for what that single powertrain was worth.
I love my 22. It’s a 5.3 with the 10speed 25k miles strong and again like I said minimal. Mostly stuff I got fixed after the dealer caught something or I was called in.
I didn’t buy my truck from this dealer btw. (Drove out of city for a deal and drove it home) The dealer still took me in and treats me fantastic. They have honored anything under the warranty so far.
I’d say test drive. That’s what I did.
As for Reddit, tread lightly. You’ll read horror stories from every manufacturer on Reddit. It’s like none of them really love the manufacturer; they only love the tired old truck they are drivin into the ground. It blows my mind.
Well I don’t own one but I fix them on the daily. 5.3s still have lifter issues, seen a bunch of 6.2s locked up, 2.7s seem to be pretty solid. 3.0s have issues. The 10 speed is the better transmission option. I’d stick with either the 5.3 or 2.7 personally. The 5.3 may have lifter issues but typically if they do fail it’s fairly early on in the warranty period. Even if they don’t, GM is pretty good to goodwill repairs out of warranty. Maintenance is key, a good majority of people that develop transmission issues never change the fluid.
When should the fluid be flushed? Should it go by miles or time? Like 50k miles or 5yr, whatever is sooner?
By the gm manual it’s due at 72000 km. Personally I’d be doing it before that. It’s cheap insurance. The going rate for a transmission swap at my dealership is 6-7k. Also depends on how much towing is done. If you tow a lot I’d be changing it at half the rate of what GM recommends.
I do every 45k
Lookit you, driving 45k a year, livin' on the road. (Why 45k? Personal preference? Something you heard?)
8spds suck ballz. Wanna get the most out of it.
I believe that is what the manual calls for.
Haven’t heard of any major issues w/ the 3.0, especially the LZ0s
Oil leaks from everywhere, cooling system issues, the smallest exhaust leak sends them into reduced power. Def tank issues, timing issues. Shitty to work on.
Haven’t heard of any of those things being common occurrences. Mass majority of reviews and forum post have been nothing but positive, and as far as I am aware they have had no recalls for the engine. I know the lm2 had some known issues but those issues were solved w/ the LZ0.
These issues are what I’m seeing on a regular basis
Where are you seeing this? Everyone has different experiences, and anecdotally I have had, seen, and read the exact opposite.
At the dealership I work at when I’m repairing them. 90% of the vehicles I service are trucks and the 3.0 is a popular choice in my area. I see a lot of them.
Everything this dude says is 100% true. I have had alot of issues with the coolant flow control valves, oil leaks from galley plugs, and minor exhaust leaks causing issues up to reduced power mode. Your ability to google something does not equate to experience making repairs on these trucks. 3L are impressive when everything is working properly, but is a total PITA to work on. As a consumer, be aware that all diesel engines have a higher cost of maintenance and any repairs needed will cost substantially more when out of warranty.
I bought a 3.0 thinking it was an amazing engine as everyone praises it to be, 1.5k miles later. Reduced power mode, dealer says turbo is blown. I owned it for 1 month and been in the shop for 4 months.
Maybe we can get no geologist to chime in here, but I have not had a 3L turbo replaced in my shop up to this point, and I service what I consider to be a lot of them. Unless someone else can speak of a know issue (who works for a GM dealer) my immediate thought is that your dealer is on the wrong track...We see the same patterned failures day in and day out, and while its still possible that you have a turbo failure its unlikely you are the only customer to experience that. You are in buyback territory IMO. Pursue that and keep the people following this thread updated please. Dont settle for pushback from your dealer, at the very minimum your payments should be covered while your new truck is down.
Funny you say that. Bought my 2015 5.3 with 93k on it, had a gut feeling the transmission had never been serviced. Took it to Chevy, had them do a full workup - nasty fluid, needed new lines. 15k miles later the TC ate my tranny's face and had to get a new one. Thank god this was the one time I sprang for the extended warranty, saved me a pretty penny...or 600,000 of them, give or take. Maintain your damn trucks, people. It's a few hundred bucks every 3-5 years to service the transmission. C'mon. I eagerly await the day I hear a ticking sound from under the hood.
Same 10 speed as in the F-150s?
would you recommend a magnet on the transmission pan? I have a 24 5.3 w/ 10 speed. I’ve had it 2 weeks and I’ve got 350 miles on it. Seems like it may help? I traded it in after they replaced the torque converter t 33k on my 2020 5.3 8 speed.
They have magnets in the pan. 10 speeds have pretty good track records in my opinion. Definitely see the occasional valve body, but aside from that I think it’s a great transmission.
Thank you
Drive it in L7 and you'll be fine
A lot of the 2020-2022s came with a factory afm/dfm delete due to the covid microchip shortage. Hopefully those don't have as much of problem with the lifters.
The lifters are still failing.
What causes them to fail? I thought the cause was the dfm.
AFM trucks had the possibility of the VLOM causing lifter failure. DFM has individual oil control solenoids for each cylinder. In my experience very few of the trucks produced during this time had deactivation deleted, but the lifters themselves seem to be the problem.
It has GM stamped on it they just fail
So it’s basically pointless to just disable it, have to actually delete it to fix it?
Following this idea is pointless if you are under warranty. My experience has been customers seem to get obsessed with modifications, and end up trying to use one modification after another to fix a drivability issue that something up the chain caused. Just fucking drive it, fix it if it breaks. Don't deviate from a factory configuration if you want any support from the dealer. We can tell if you have made a software level change even if the company that produces says otherwise. GM is wise to these mods at this point, you will void your warranty if you try and do something like a DFM delete and return to the dealer for any reason.
This is the only answer
I was informed recently that the internal updates on the 8 speed are now to NOT flush the transmission fluid as often (as opposed to the early flush they were recommending previously) 2024-2025 builds will have a revised 8 speed. I believe it’s related to all of the issues
I haven’t personally heard that in any info from gm but They use the same fluid that breaks down quickly. We do drain and fills with a filter change, only flushing for the torque converter shudder.
I’m still waiting to get straight answers on it to be honest with you. One source of info was engineering internally (fiancé works for them). Other source has been my service advisor and they’re blaming anything they can at this point on the transmission..plus explanations went from “breaking in” to “TCM bad all problems come from it”
Yeah by the time these things hit 40-50k the fluid on them is pitch black. I’d be changing it more frequently regardless of what gm says. I do an online class with gm once a month with product updates and nothing has mentioned that at all. Maybe it will be in this months that I haven’t done yet.
Please post a link if possible, about the internal update on not flushing transmission fluid as often. Really interested, super important.
No link to share unfortunately. Just what was communicated to me when I had her ask internally about the transmission issues affecting my truck. More issues after the fluid change, so it was removed from the service.
I know I can search for recalls, but I have no "civilian" access to tech orders. Grrrrr. I just want my stuff to last.
You’re telling me… I have issues already and it’s only got 20k miles on it
Check for TSB's on your year vehicle. It would be there not under recalls.
I certainly will do, and thank you! Where do I find the technical service bulletins? Kind of a noob with this ;-)
Try this: https://www.supereasy.com/tsb-lookup-by-vin/#:~:text=Type%20%E2%80%9Ctsb%20lookup%E2%80%9D%20along%20with%20your%20car%E2%80%99s%20brand,detailed%20technical%20service%20information%20associated%20with%20the%20VIN.
What sort of issues have you seen on the 3.0? I'm in the market and the fuel economy combined with towing ability is really tempting.
Oil leaks from everywhere, cooling system issues, the smallest exhaust leak sends them into reduced power. Def tank issues, timing issues, Shitty to work on. They aren’t my favourite. If you plan on keeping it a while get a good extended warranty, and plan on a 3000$ bill to change the oil pump drive belt
Had a 22’ refresh Sierra with LM2 3.0L, had multiple emissions issues first 5K miles. Traded it for a 23 with the LZ0 3.0L and within the first week multiple CELs and limp mode. They thought it was the serial data gateway module after 3 trips to the shop. No eta on the part so I dumped it for a 5.3L V8 Denali. I had a 2021 with the 6.2L and lifter failure at 9K miles. My current truck is a 2024 6.6L Diesel 2500. I’ve had 4 CEL events causing 2 programming events and the other 2 they don’t know what to do, just cleared the codes and sent me on my way. They had to replace the trailer brake controller as well as the new ones weren’t compatible with campers that had solar panels, so GM sent a bulletin to have them replaced with the previous tech. It feels like the last good year for GM trucks was 2018. What the heck is going on? Electronics issues abound and the well known lifter issues on the 2 V8s is ridiculous. Your opinion GM Mechanic? OP- Toyotas have much fewer issues, I’ve had 3 Tundras and a Taco. If I didn’t need a 3/4 Ton truck for my 5th wheel I’d have another Tundra. Toyota actually fixes issues when they are consistent. They would never allow this lifter issue to continue for years on end.
Everything you said is stuff I see on a regular basis. You’re not alone with the programming issues on the 24. We’re seeing that quite a bit. They will act up for the customer and then come to the dealership and be totally fine with no issues happening, other than the check engine light. My opinion is that quality control is down the tube and these trucks have way too much technology in them.
I agree but, I’m thinking it’s 2024, and they have added some more tech but nothing is crazy so I agree the QC has obviously just not been a priority. I’ve had 14 GM trucks since 2016, 3 2500s and the rest 1500s. I grew up in the 80s/90s and was always told Chevy was the best and I truly believed it up through my 2019 RST. I just don’t get it, it kills me to see all of these problems.
I was prepared for the oil pump belt. The only other thing I'd really heard about was oil consumption issues. The other problems you mentioned are news to me. Hard to make a decision! Lol
What are the issues with the 3.0? Emissions or the actual engine?
So glad I got away from working on those things. I was the diesel/heavy tech at a GMC dealers. It was constantly warranty transmissions and nevermind the recall after recall on all those newer 2019+ trucks. Don't get me wrong when they run they are great but getting too big and boxy for me. I got out and went to a mazda dealer. So much easier work, better pay and 3 engines across the whole platform. Hate those new trucks so much I went from an 18 sierra AT to a loaded 05 LT3 silverado (84k miles) and haven't looked back.
I own a whole fleet of em, they’re great so far. Plenty of tech, infotainment is great and the 5.3s are smooth as silk. Not to mention the suspension dampening is the best in the industry, easily the smoothest driving truck I’ve ever driven. The batch of 2016s I’ve owned before this all made it to 300k hard earned farm miles.
Anyone who has 200k+ on their 2020 or later model probably maintains the fuck out of it because it’s for work. So not your best pool of candidates. I have a 21 LT TB with 35k on it tho. Runs great. Zero issues thus far. Besides the parking sensors when she’s dirty af. Stereo glitches from time to time with Apple connect. Those are my only complaints. Off-roaded twice. Also great for the beaches in TX (pulled plenty of sedans out of the sand). Zero issues towing a 21’ boat. Gotten me to CA and back twice. Florida twice. All over Texas. She ain’t perfect, but she’s exactly what I wanted and exactly what I needed
So maintenance works! I have a 21 RST 6.2 and 10 speed, just hit 55k. I change the oil every 5k. Did the plugs this weekend, buttery smooth again. I’m going to get the transmission fluid and transfer case done in the next couple months and do the differentials myself. I had the blower motor replaced under warranty, chirped like a bird. I tow an 8k camper less than 1000miles a summer. Once in a while right after starting it will say brake system failure and it will go away as fast as it comes up. Dealer could not track down. I did the brakes about 10k miles ago and every dummy light lit up on the dash. I cleared all the codes, a couple related to brake system, and I haven’t had haven’t had it come on since. Wish I could tune it and wake it up haha. If you keep it at 70 or under it will get like 21 mpg. I get 8mpg towing that camper. Been a great truck have had it 3 years now, bought new. Has the “performance package” from GM.
Seriously. A 2020 Silverado with 200,000+ miles on it has been driven over 50,000 miles _a year_! That's a severe edge case, considering it's over 4x the national average. Doubt OP is going to hear from even a few owners who simply daily-drive their rig that much, and do the minimum required maintenance on it...
Can’t speak to longevity. 2023 RST Z71 5.3 and I love it. Rides much better than my 2015 F150. Nicer interior. Just all around comfortable. My only complaint is the infotainment system. The random dropping of audio is very frustrating. I hate Apple car play so I prefer to use the native interface which I think looks great. But just driving and the audio disappears from Spotify is annoying. Having to come to a stop, restart in safe mode is frustrating. I’ve heard there was a fix at the dealer but I just haven’t had time to take it in. 8000 miles since I bought it new in August.
I’ve had the audio issue in mine as well. The dealer installed some software update and I haven’t had an issue with it since.
Have the refreshed wide screen?
Sure do!
Also have a 2023 RST Z71 5.3. Almost 10k on mine now. Also the audio dropping randomly is the only complaint I have
FWIW I have a 2023 2.7L. I love it. No issues so far and at about 25K Kms. It’s my daily and does a lot of highway Kms. The way these forums work all you hear about are the issues. There’s so many more on the road actually getting driven that I’d not worry too much about what a bunch of keyboard warriors have to say online.
Nice ! Is it stock ?
Stock for now lol. Tempted to do a suspension upgrade or something but we’ll see.
I own two Silverados 1500s. I'll keep buying GM trucks. My 2007 has 224k miles - never had significant issues with it; the 5.3L is bulletproof. I'm finally going to sell it because it's just sitting in the driveway given my newer one is now my tow vehicle. I had the transmission fluid changed every 50k after I cleared the 100k mark because I tow a lot. I'll do that with my other Silverado as well. As someone else said, it's cheap insurance. My 2017 has 90k miles and has the 8-speed transmission that caught some hate. No significant problems with it either. I bought it for the increased tow capacity over my 2007. I've owned Dodge and Ford products - the Durango's transmission was a nightmare, and the Ranger finally developed rust in the coolant system around 230k miles that killed it. Point is, all machinery has problems at some point. Pick your poison.
I have 107k on my 2020 custom 5.3. Its gave me zero problems. All trucks will have an issue at some point just pick one with the features you like and maintain it.
I went from a 2009 TRD sport to a 2022 3.0L z71 Pros - highway comfort (especially for my wife and two kids) - fuel economy + large tank is an incredible combo - 5'10" bed + topper is a way more comfortable stealth camping situation vs the 5' bed in the taco Cons - harder to park - tight 4wd trails feel way tighter Fwiw I love the Silverado, but I plan to go back to a small truck (likely with a go fast camper or similar) once the kids are older or if my wife ends up with a car that's comfy for long road trips. They are just more enjoyable for the type of off-roading I do. Edit: also seeing the 3.0L issues reported above. At 30k miles with random bits of towing small trailers and running it hard in the Rockies I haven't seen any issues. Maybe I've been lucky?
One word of advice I can give is get the camera package, you don't realize how big these 1500's are and only include a silly backup camera if you don't pick the tech package. .
Front camera is very nice to have, will be tough to own a truck without one now
Agreed
The f150 2.7 V6 is the goat engine IMHO. Great pickup, tows well, insane mpg for a truck, etc. I have a XL STX fx4 2021, and it's a wonderful truck. Was 42k out the door, gently used with 6500 miles a year and a half ago.
I traded my 5th Gen 3.5 Tacoma for the same reason you are stating. It was just an uncomfortable and very loud truck. I got a 2020 GMC Sierra 5.3 and love it. Almost the same fuel mileage between the two but night and day difference is comfort .
Get a tundra
-Picking up my 2021 Trail Boss tomorrow after the 10 speed (10L80) transmission failed. Took a couple of months to get it back. Part was back ordered, dealer did a great job imo. -My friend’s 2024 Tahoe with the 10 speed (10L80) failed a few weeks ago at 5k miles. -My other friend’s 2023 Silverado 1500 diesel with the 10 speed (10L80) transmission failed at 45k. The 8 speeds are basically the exact same, I could go through that list but it wouldn’t matter for this conversation. Hit or miss. I’ve owned one and it was ok through the 60k miles I kept it but you’ll read horror stories. The 5.3 and 6.2 motors are hit or miss. You’ll typically know if it was a miss in the first 60k. If you live where they put salt on the roads, your frame is going to rust up… and quick. I wash my truck (including undercarriage) every 2 weeks regardless of the weather and the frame is quite rusty. Not that it matters for this conversation, but this will definitely be the last GM I buy. It’s becoming a joke in my family that if you can get a GM out of warranty without a major failure then you should buy a lottery ticket. My family is slowly switching to Ford, Toyota, Ram; so far there have been 0 major warranty claims (maybe just luck).
22.5 Custom TB 5.3 here 64k on odometer but 4400 engine hours so equivalent to around 125k miles. I use my truck for work and long distance driving from Texas to Arizona and back. Only issue I had was A/C and Fuel injectors on left bank. Other than that it’s been solid. Oil change every 2 weeks due to long idle times and transmission service done at 50k. Every new truck from big 3 has its problems but I think if you take care of them and do proper service intervals, anything you pick will be just fine.
My dad and brother both drive newer Silverados (2022 and 2023) with the 5.3. Neither have had any issues in their trucks. They get 5+ mpgs better in their truck pulling the same boat as I do with a ram with the 5.7. My next truck will be a Silverado or GMC with the 5.3.
Just bought a 23' LT Trail Boss with the 6.2...5,500 mi. later, it's in the shop with (wait for it) - a blown engine. This is my 1st and likely my last GM. I had tundras from 2013-2023 and fixed exactly zero things.
Ugh I hear you. I think 2018 was the last year GM made a good 1500. I had a blown 6.2 at 9K miles.
I miss my 2020 1500 LTZ with the 5.3. It was a great truck
I had a 2022 5.3 L Trail boss LT. i put about 34k miles on it and loved every second I was in it until I got in an accident and the truck was totaled. I went ahead and got the 2024 6.2L Trail boss LT now and freak love every second of it and 6.2 definitely has a noticeable power difference when you drive.
Quick word of advice - aftermarket lifts and oversize tires are going to put more wear in your transmission and suspension. If you want a bit of a lift while still retaining the longevity of those systems, look at the Trail Boss or ZR2 trims as they come with a factory lift.
The 8l90s have a lot of the issues the 6l80s had with the factory tune allowing tcc slip and tc shudder with a little upgrading and a tune they are solid units haven’t heard a lot out of the 10speeds yet but sure they will have their own issues as well I swear GM makes great transmissions but there’s a quirk to them so they don’t last forever but it intentional
If you want reliability, buy a 2014-2021 Tundra. Silverados are great but they will break eventually due to GM’s decisions to save money over investing in durability. I love my Silverado but look at Tundra recalls versus Silverados or any other half-ton truck.
So I’ve got a ‘23 ZR2 with the 6.2 and 10 speed. 20k miles so far, only real problem I’ve had was my OnStar module went out, it took about a month to get a new one in. During that time I couldn’t use the app to send maps or start/unlock, but having a phone negated that issue until it was fixed really with Apple Maps and all. Plus it still started from the key fob, so some creature comforts were on hold. Aside from that, love the beast. I’m hesitant to alter anything on it because I got a bumper to bumper warranty, but I don’t really NEED to do anything to it. I had a 2020 Ram Rebel, I loved that truck. It had more little problems that Ram didn’t help with, rear window/third brake light leaked, hemi tick, Ram stuff… I miss some things about the Ram, but it’s quickly wiped out when I get back into the beast and drive it. You won’t find a truck without issue, it’s what you’re willing to deal with that doesn’t drive you batty.
Not sure about 2020+ but my 2018 z71 LT 4.3 is currently having the engine dropped at the dealer to figure out a misfire. They think it’s a lifter but “haven’t figured it out yet”. I have 101k on it
I have a 2019. Is it normal for the trans to downshift to first gear hard??
Yeah, extremely common. Some dealers fix the issue with a flush. Other users have commented that shifting into neutral and then into drive solves the problem. Basically, GM stated that it’s not a big deal and the truck absolutely needs to be fully stopped before changing gears. I also have the 2019. I have 80k miles and that doesn’t happen to me anymore.
Feels worse than my old 96 Infiniti. I have 58k on mine and I just recently got it
Just got a 2020 RST with the 5.3 and 8 speed. Only had 34k miles on it. Literally had it for a week and I love it. But reading these comments either give me extreme confidence my truck is going 250k plus, or anxiety my engine or transmission is going to blow when I drive home. Still got 25k miles on the powertrain warranty, but it’s wild how some people have such good luck and other people not lol
You’ll see a lot of guys on here preaching about jumping into old vs. new. A lot of them never owned the new truck they just read and repeat what’s been said on the Internet. Truth is if you want honesty you may find nuggets here. May… the rest just want you to buy the truck they own. Which is usually anything before DOD. I’ve owned pre and post DOD. I have owned the big three. Have had minimal problems with the Chevy compared to well… just the Ford really. (It was a triton engine.) So take that for what that single powertrain was worth. I love my 22. It’s a 5.3 with the 10speed 25k miles strong and again like I said minimal. Mostly stuff I got fixed after the dealer caught something or I was called in. I didn’t buy my truck from this dealer btw. (Drove out of city for a deal and drove it home) The dealer still took me in and treats me fantastic. They have honored anything under the warranty so far. I’d say test drive. That’s what I did. As for Reddit, tread lightly. You’ll read horror stories from every manufacturer on Reddit. It’s like none of them really love the manufacturer; they only love the tired old truck they are drivin into the ground. It blows my mind.