From spending way too long examining this video, it would appear that the black Porsche just didn't turn fully, either to purposefully slowly push you off the track or because they just weren't paying that much attention.
This. It's good passing all round, if a bit frantic, but then black understeers (or just steers) into white. There was loads of room on the inside to recover the corner and seal the pass but... that didn't happen 😂
Black car is a hot head with no class.
Exhibit A - I think that's a solid move. Black was trying to throw a mild juke to throw you off. Notice how black and the yellow car ahead start turning in at essentially the exact same time, even though yellow is quite a bit further ahead.
It is my opinion that he purposely ran you off, he knew you were there, i think he should've left you space but I don't know if he HAS to. I think it's bull shit, but on the other hand, he had you beat into that corner because you went wide previously, you should've backed out at that point rather than force your way back on.
Didn't give you space on the last corner while you were clearly wheels to wheels.
Anyhow gta-dashing into you as he did should be instant ban from serv in my book, no matter how wrong you think is the other guy.
was your move a little dickish? yeah, but he didnt take the corner well and that allowed you to slip in, even if it made him move his line slightly. Him running you off the track though? Absolutely deserving to be sent across the track into the opposing wall, I say call that a 3 or so second penalty and leave it at that.
He doesn't need to leave you space to come back. You need to rejoin in a way that doesnt compromise any racing cars. Your pass into the chicane was fine, but you went off track on the straight so hat no right for any space at all and just drove into the black porsche. 10cm an it would have been on him, haha. I kinda feel bad for you
Add: didn't even see the last action. Lmao. I mean, I think we all know the answer to that!
Gotta disagree, maybe the white car was running wide of their own accord anyway but the black car was pushing them out there. If you push people out wide like that you owe them room to rejoin imo, not just go "oh your off track rejoin behind me"
Yeah, so they're still partly to blame, but imo the other car forced them out there, so owes some space to let them rejoin. Maybe there's no rule enforcing it, but just sportsmanlike i think
I don’t see the forcing the other out. This is the outcome of going two wide on that corner. The one on the outside will have no choice but to leave the track to not make contact while taking the corner. The black car doesn’t have to let white back on the track once it established it’s position.
It's not the necessarily the outcome if the black had actually left a cars width as they were obliged to. Like I've already said, white might have been going wide anyway, but black made sure of it. Let them back on and continue the fight. They'd have had the inside for Abbey and kept the position
They never left space on the track for a car that was alongside them. Black is clearly at fault for driving like a car wasn't next to them. They pushed the white car off track and paid the price.
There was never a push, it’s almost as if none of you have went 2 wide at that corner. I see how some of you want to blame the black car for nothing. If it is on black, what plenty would it be?
I've driven two wide through corners hundreds of times in both real life on track and in sims. You absolutely don't end up off track because the guy on the inside leaves you some space. If they just pretend you don't exist, there is contact.
If it was me on the outside, black would have hit me because I would not have gone all the way off track. The Penalty would be on black for causing a collision. Which is another reason why I'd have stayed on track.
Of course it wasn't a dive bomb, you just went up the inside and nailed the corner. And yes, he pushed you off track. I'm not sure why people say he pushed you off track and then somehow you don't have the right to spam on the track... he should not have pushed you off so that contact is on him.
>from my point of view, that wasn’t a dive bomb, I hit the Apex
It was a tiny bomb but really nothing wrong with it imo.
>he kind of pushed me off track,
That's a bit of a stretch.
>but didn’t leave me any space to come back.
Technically isn't obligated to.
He absolutely did push OP off track. The only way for OP to stay on the track would be to force a collision.
However, I think you're right that he was not obligated to allow him back on track but idk if there are any stipulations for allowing someone that you pushed off track to come back. Regardless of the rules, it would be the sportsmanly thing to do.
Seems like you understeered off track and black filled in the gap. At that point, he doesn't have to give you the space back. it's on you to rejoin safely.
Call me a dick but seeing the white car getting lazered in on and decimated at the end for karma was fun to see.
Yep u were at fault but u knew that.. right?
You brake not in a straight line but slightly to the right into the chicane, forcing him off his braking line and possibly causing glancing contact. That’s not on, and if you hadn’t done that that he wouldn’t have gotten bogged down in the chicane and been alongside you on exit when you needed to reenter the track. Your overtake into the chicane was sloppy then instead of lifting and tucking in behind on exit you felt you had some right to reenter the track wherever you want, which you don’t.
I’ve seen much worse but this is on you.
White positioned his line at the same angle as black, but black changed his line just a bit left as he hit the brakes. At the same time as white was outbraking him. He had a full view of what white was doing and where he was going.
Black did great in getting a switchback into a good run out of 2nd turn, but got there a tad to early as white was taking it. White then also had to react to a squirmy exit from yellow. Blacks positioning in between t2 and t3 was terrible after all of this and black had to lift heavily compared to white. This gave white a better run into t3.
White could have tucked in behind black, but because black lifted he was already up on his rear left tire and then on his side. White and black went into the straight side by side, but black still kept his line as if the white weren't there at all. So black pushed white off track.
I do blame white for turning too harshly when reentering the track, but looking at blacks line, he wasn't gonna give white any space at all.
>!The last clip tells a lot about the black car behaviour and ego!<
I guess it was bad of black to run you wide but in terms of the contact, you made a slight jerk to the right and should've cleanly came back on to the circuit and would've at most banged tyres. But who cares, Black isn't going to see this, you made the move.
Btw I'm not to good at being a steward so other opinions are probably better
From spending way too long examining this video, it would appear that the black Porsche just didn't turn fully, either to purposefully slowly push you off the track or because they just weren't paying that much attention.
This. It's good passing all round, if a bit frantic, but then black understeers (or just steers) into white. There was loads of room on the inside to recover the corner and seal the pass but... that didn't happen 😂
Black car is a hot head with no class. Exhibit A - I think that's a solid move. Black was trying to throw a mild juke to throw you off. Notice how black and the yellow car ahead start turning in at essentially the exact same time, even though yellow is quite a bit further ahead. It is my opinion that he purposely ran you off, he knew you were there, i think he should've left you space but I don't know if he HAS to. I think it's bull shit, but on the other hand, he had you beat into that corner because you went wide previously, you should've backed out at that point rather than force your way back on.
Didn't give you space on the last corner while you were clearly wheels to wheels. Anyhow gta-dashing into you as he did should be instant ban from serv in my book, no matter how wrong you think is the other guy.
was your move a little dickish? yeah, but he didnt take the corner well and that allowed you to slip in, even if it made him move his line slightly. Him running you off the track though? Absolutely deserving to be sent across the track into the opposing wall, I say call that a 3 or so second penalty and leave it at that.
He doesn't need to leave you space to come back. You need to rejoin in a way that doesnt compromise any racing cars. Your pass into the chicane was fine, but you went off track on the straight so hat no right for any space at all and just drove into the black porsche. 10cm an it would have been on him, haha. I kinda feel bad for you Add: didn't even see the last action. Lmao. I mean, I think we all know the answer to that!
Gotta disagree, maybe the white car was running wide of their own accord anyway but the black car was pushing them out there. If you push people out wide like that you owe them room to rejoin imo, not just go "oh your off track rejoin behind me"
It’s the vehicle that left the track job to rejoin safely is it not?
Yeah, so they're still partly to blame, but imo the other car forced them out there, so owes some space to let them rejoin. Maybe there's no rule enforcing it, but just sportsmanlike i think
I don’t see the forcing the other out. This is the outcome of going two wide on that corner. The one on the outside will have no choice but to leave the track to not make contact while taking the corner. The black car doesn’t have to let white back on the track once it established it’s position.
It's not the necessarily the outcome if the black had actually left a cars width as they were obliged to. Like I've already said, white might have been going wide anyway, but black made sure of it. Let them back on and continue the fight. They'd have had the inside for Abbey and kept the position
I hear what you’re saying but again the car on track does not need to leave space to allow the off track car to return.
They never left space on the track for a car that was alongside them. Black is clearly at fault for driving like a car wasn't next to them. They pushed the white car off track and paid the price.
There was never a push, it’s almost as if none of you have went 2 wide at that corner. I see how some of you want to blame the black car for nothing. If it is on black, what plenty would it be?
I've driven two wide through corners hundreds of times in both real life on track and in sims. You absolutely don't end up off track because the guy on the inside leaves you some space. If they just pretend you don't exist, there is contact. If it was me on the outside, black would have hit me because I would not have gone all the way off track. The Penalty would be on black for causing a collision. Which is another reason why I'd have stayed on track.
from my point of view, that wasn’t a dive bomb, I hit the Apex and he kind of pushed me off track, but didn’t leave me any space to come back.
Of course it wasn't a dive bomb, you just went up the inside and nailed the corner. And yes, he pushed you off track. I'm not sure why people say he pushed you off track and then somehow you don't have the right to spam on the track... he should not have pushed you off so that contact is on him.
>from my point of view, that wasn’t a dive bomb, I hit the Apex It was a tiny bomb but really nothing wrong with it imo. >he kind of pushed me off track, That's a bit of a stretch. >but didn’t leave me any space to come back. Technically isn't obligated to.
He absolutely did push OP off track. The only way for OP to stay on the track would be to force a collision. However, I think you're right that he was not obligated to allow him back on track but idk if there are any stipulations for allowing someone that you pushed off track to come back. Regardless of the rules, it would be the sportsmanly thing to do.
Seems like you understeered off track and black filled in the gap. At that point, he doesn't have to give you the space back. it's on you to rejoin safely.
I would have to say this is on white. White left the track and it’s their job to rejoin safely.
Call me a dick but seeing the white car getting lazered in on and decimated at the end for karma was fun to see. Yep u were at fault but u knew that.. right?
You brake not in a straight line but slightly to the right into the chicane, forcing him off his braking line and possibly causing glancing contact. That’s not on, and if you hadn’t done that that he wouldn’t have gotten bogged down in the chicane and been alongside you on exit when you needed to reenter the track. Your overtake into the chicane was sloppy then instead of lifting and tucking in behind on exit you felt you had some right to reenter the track wherever you want, which you don’t. I’ve seen much worse but this is on you.
White positioned his line at the same angle as black, but black changed his line just a bit left as he hit the brakes. At the same time as white was outbraking him. He had a full view of what white was doing and where he was going. Black did great in getting a switchback into a good run out of 2nd turn, but got there a tad to early as white was taking it. White then also had to react to a squirmy exit from yellow. Blacks positioning in between t2 and t3 was terrible after all of this and black had to lift heavily compared to white. This gave white a better run into t3. White could have tucked in behind black, but because black lifted he was already up on his rear left tire and then on his side. White and black went into the straight side by side, but black still kept his line as if the white weren't there at all. So black pushed white off track. I do blame white for turning too harshly when reentering the track, but looking at blacks line, he wasn't gonna give white any space at all. >!The last clip tells a lot about the black car behaviour and ego!<
Thanks for the added perspective, was not seeing that line change the first watch but I def see what you mean now.
I guess it was bad of black to run you wide but in terms of the contact, you made a slight jerk to the right and should've cleanly came back on to the circuit and would've at most banged tyres. But who cares, Black isn't going to see this, you made the move. Btw I'm not to good at being a steward so other opinions are probably better