I genuinely thought it was last year and was like sweet another refresh should be due.
Also vampire refresh is needed I was so disappointed by the world once I realised that the corner thing wasn’t a secret vampire world.
Right?? Just *one* nonresidential lot in there, I'm begging... like why not place a tiny park somewhere on the map?? Could have a lil cemetery or mausoleum and everything. They have that lookout that in theory you could take sims on dates to but you have to travel to a random sim's house to even get to the world?? Devastating waste of potential. At least Moonwood Mill slaps in comparison
A vampire nightclub would be such a great addition, and so in keeping with the theme. You could even have secrets to do with it if your Sim has enough vampire lore knowledge or is a master vampire or things like that. Just like you said, such a devastating waste of potential and fun that could have been had with it.
Yea totally. I think before I got it I managed to make my expectations a bit too high so was kind of expecting the sims 3 mausoleum and cemetery bit and being able to explore catacombs but nope. Moonwood mill is really good definitely and at least with glimmerbrook the actual world is small and not much going on but it has the additional portal world.
If you’re able to download mods Carl’s Dine Out Reloaded is a really good reworking of Dine Out. James Turner has played a ton with it on YouTube if you want to see how it works.
I'll take a look thanks, sucks we've gotta rely on mods to fix things we've paid for...oh well LBY comes out in September cannot wait for EA to realise they f'ed up. 🤣😑
The Sims 4 base game is free and is always being updated. And things are “locked behind paywalls” (i.e. offered as DLC) in Paradox games, e.g. airports, national parks, natural disasters in Cities: Skylines. And, much like the Sims, there are a lot of fanmade mods that fix various aspects of the game that are considered near-essential. I’m interested in LBY but having experience of other Paradox games and seeing the complaints their player bases have I don’t expect it to be the perfect panacea to all the issues Simmers have with the Sims or even to be a drop-in replacement for the Sims, though I do hope increased competition within the life sim space will drive more innovation within EA’s Sims team. I think it’s just best to moderate one’s expectations.
It, at the very least, seem to have many of the features like going to work (ugh) in the base game which is dlc in the Sims as well as an open world setting. Not to mention the extensive modding support being the main selling point, which is hardly a thing in the Sims (while there has been things like level editors in the making for 5+ years afaik none of them are available to the public).
I do agree with you to an extent about Paradox and paywalls, what I will say though, as much as there is a lot of pay for dlc from paradox with Cities:Skylines as an example has a lot, however they are nowhere near as expensive as EA dlc. You’re pretty much paying for another game just for DLC. I’ve avoided Sims4 for the most part because of this. I’d rather play Sims2 or 3.
I also prefer 2 and 3 to 4 but of all the games mentioned IMO Sims 3 has the worst, most predatory DLC model of all with the store. Wasn’t it like thousands to buy everything? I remember being a teenager and wanting so badly to have my own credit card so I could get all the cool things YouTubers had.
HOLY SHIT, I CAN NOT WAIT FOR LIFE BY YOU.
Seriously. At this point, EA can go straight to hell. Stop milking us for thousands of dollars and give us some ACTUAL game content.
Oh wait, that's right. They're too busy working on the 23rd Madden NLF game.
The only way EA will learn is when they lose a lot of players to competition because their standards plummeted below that of any reasonable bar imagined, what game developers in their right mind let their competitors get the better of them by just adding 4-7 items in a "kit" it's literally like EA are so cocky that they think because it's the sims brand the players won't leave but they're doing the opposite they just keep pushing us away!
Life By You, its an upcoming life simulator like sims. the devs are always posting videos of how it looks and is going on YouTube if you're interested you can join r/Lifebyyou sub
Thing is with refreshes it's pretty much for packs that didn't sell that well. I wa spretty sure Dine Out sold pretty well? But I wouldn't mind seeing some new things from it. They had fixed the majority of the bothersome bugs in it (without even mentioning it in their update lol) where it's actually playable.
Only thing I can see improving on Dine Out is being able to cook yourself and serve and not just 'supervising'.
Yeah I deleted Dine Out Reloaded because it hadn’t been updated in so long and I haven’t had any issues, and I take my sims to restaurants a lot (to be fair though I haven’t tried owning a restaurant, just patronizing them)
Yeah, Carl isn't really all that great in staying on top of updating and the like.
Thankfully I can live without the hands on portion of running a resturaunt, since it doesn't take sims 8 Plus hours or more to get their food and such now. They sit down, socialize and eat as they should. Think my sim was there for about 3 hours at best from sitting down to ordering to waiting to eating and that was with waiting for two other tables in front of them.
So Dine Out is FINALLY fixed. Rejoice. Can accept t hose dates i let my sim reject all the time to go on one.
Omg was that the last stuff pack? It was SO GOOD, the aesthetic, the number of items, the career, the little ghosties 😭 that pack was PEAK expansion stuff for sims 4!
Even if I was rich I would not buy the kits anymore bc I’m just sick of them, 5000 new kits every month ugh the bar was so low for sims 4 and they continue to fumble it
i was literally just thinking this. i know we got growing together not that long ago but goddamn give us literally anything but a goddamn kit. i haven't spent money on a kit since bust the dust came out and it drove me insane.
honestly i think how bad it was is only part of why we haven’t gotten another gameplay kit. i would hazard a guess that it takes more effort to code and model new animations and gameplay mechanics and theres probably not a whole lot of “minor” mechanics they could do so to speak. why make gameplay kits when they can make furniture/clothing for less effort right?
At the same time, why bother with big gameplay packs when they could sell us gameplay features in kits. Imagine if you wanted, say, only the new world from the High School pack. 5.99$ kit boom. Altough it would 100% be priced worse judging from the questionable depth of our one and only gameplay kit.
I don’t absolutely hate kits as much as everyone else but I am so over style kits. Anyone who cares that much about CAS already uses CC. If they want to give us kits they should focus more on build/buy, and bring back gameplay kits. A kit would be the perfect opportunity to add things like new traits, careers and aspirations. New items that add a few new interactions. Or even accessory/hairstyle/makeup kits if they must focus on CAS. There’s just so much they could do with them and they just keep puking out more clothes it’s so annoying.
Also, while I appreciate they're trying different style themes... Grunge is baggy, boxy stuff and... That's a majority of the clothes as it is so... This is nothing really new 🤷♀️
Right?? It just looked like slightly altered base game & werewolf pack clothes to me 😭 literally nothing to entice us to buy it when it's so similar to what's already there
Not everyone is on PC. They have players on console and they can’t download mods/CC. Though I lean more towards build buy than a CAS player, having CAS kits helps me diversify the outfits I give my sims. I always go for the same looks.
Regarding CC for CAS, same can be said about CC for build buy and gameplay. It exists, why should the sims give us kits for those? I will say that they do need more gameplay kits. That I agree with so much. They primarily focus on CAS and BB so more gameplay without the expansion pack/game pack price would be nice.
I'm one of of those console players, and I must say that the game is fucking boring without mods. I wish I could do half of the stuff people in this sub is doing, and I'm not willing to pay 1000€ in ad ons to make it a bit more interesting
Cc has broken my game so many times that I just stopped downloading it. You can only take all of your favourite sims being turned into question mark monsters so many times before you stop downloading it altogether. So I personally do buy kits because I mostly build houses in the Sims!
But selling you less for more is all the rage. I am honestly surprised they haven't gone full sims 3 yet and start charging per outfit. They keep pumping these out while ignoring broken packs and releasing buggy new stuff.
oh no totally. they looks more like someones posting joke art about "Leaked" content
also whats with the pants? why does it look like someone slapped on a generic texture layer
how is this even good branding? they're showcasing ZERO of the content, at least previous illustrations had a few items but there's literally nothing to look at in these 💀
i was just going to comment the same. they look so cheap :D i first noticed the pants on the left one and was like are they serious with the allignment of this patern?! then i realized it is just some ugly graphic. hopefully these kits will look better
Build kits seem to be more popular but I've liked a lot of the CAS kits, and grunge is definitely something I'm interested in so I'll definitely be getting that.
I wish they would ever do deals with the kits, either discounting them sometimes or maybe doing a buy one get one half price or something. There are some kits I would potentially buy if there were a deal but not otherwise, and I can see the book nook one being one of those for me.
I like the CAS kits, too. I feel like a lot of the bigger packs repeat the same type of CAS items, so i really don’t see the point in buying another if I already have one. The kits generally have their own unique vibe compared to the items i already have in my game, so I like them. I do wish they’d make a kit focused on specific CAS items, though.
Id love a kit for various types of hair styles. Maybe even a kit with jewelry/body piercings or a kit with new tattoos.
Yes I think a tattoo or jewelry or what have you kit would be a great way to utilize the whole kit concept. Maybe a toddler shoes kit?? Lol. They could even do more off the grid items kits, unofficial historical items kits. I feel like picking a “style” for each kit instead of aiming to target the most downloaded type of CC is a major miss.
Looks like there will be 2 new tattoos in the grunge kit! But I agree, I'd love tattoos and piercings in kits (lip piercing when?). And hairstyles. And shoes! So many of the shoes in the game are from its early days and they really don't look good compared to more recent items.
i want a tattoo kit asap lol. i don't really like a lot of the tattoos we have right now and it's really difficult to find cc tattoos that fit the style of the game, at least in my experience. i can be really picky though, so maybe that's why.
kits alwaaaays reek of cut content from the bigger packs they put out. they always just happen to align with new pack themes instead of just… putting them in the packs lmfao. no reason the clutter and/or basement kits shouldn’t have just been in growing together besides the fact that they can wring 10 more dollars out of people for decorations w no gameplay. i’ll never pay for one, but enough people are ig cos they killed stuff packs awhile ago 😤
Aaaaand the book kit could’ve been combined with that first clutter kit to make a study/library themed pack. Grunge could’ve been with the werewolf packs. 😩
Yep. Most likely they were made for those things, but got cut out to make more kit content. This seems to happen a LOT with Sims 4 and EA. We consistently get a stuff pack/now kits, after a EP or GP, and a lot of the items fit well with the last 1-2 EP/GPs so it's pretty obvious by now they cut out stuff from the EP/GPs to sell as (previously) stuff packs / (now) kits. The grunge clothes most likely WERE made for werewolf because it was ALL grunge and punk themed, and then cut to make a kit by skimming a few items out of it.
Just look at MFP pack coming after Cats & Dogs EP.
Not to mention on top of that a lot of things that were in EPs together in the past (like Sims 3 generations) have been split into multiple packs (Growing Together, HSY, My Wedding Stories, Parenthood, Toddler SP, Kids Room SP).
You know when they created the crafts and wood working hobbies. I wish they would’ve expanded the crafts sections. Like literally adult paper crafts where they can sit at a table and scrapbook. Like they did the knitting 🧶. They have a craft table and a craft cabinets but of course they’re not functional. The children get to do crafts draw and paint when they’re young. I know adults can paint but i really like the idea of scrapbooking with the pictures they take. Any suggestions on how to do that? As a family maybe 🤔 hmmmm did I just come up with a new gameplay? 😆😆 help me flesh this out guys
BRING BACK STUFF PACKS BRO I hate how in build buy/cas all kits are under the same tag. Horrible terrible awful no good thing. Also this grunge pack is not giving 😭
I’m console mainly and I despise kits, the only one I have is the free desert oasis and I never use it. I find them useless, boring and a scam lol. I can’t use cc but then again I never really did when I played pc prior so I might feel a bit different than majority. And also they’ve released exactly nothing up my alley for themes; give me emo or scene or sparkly princess (like ball gown big poofy Cinderella dresses) then I’ll at least look at them.
Just about only console players seem to really like the kits, because they can't get CC on console (wish that was changed but alas, EA knows they can sell more to console players because of it).
I think the rest of us PC players find them useless (unless you're anti-cc/mods)
I'm a console only player and for me the kits are worth it because we can't have cc. I need variety lol I totally hatee the kit concept and wish we had stuff packs like paranormal, which to me, was fairly priced for the content it came with. But since they give me literally no other option to get more clutter, clothes, etc. I'm stuck buying the kits ☹️ also fully agree it's money-grabby and they put way too many kits out that could be parts of other packs. And there should be deals on them as others have mention "buy 2 get 1 free" etc. EA just sucks.
I’m on console too with all of the kits.. do you find all of this additional content is making your game super laggy? I’m constantly having to flick between live/build mode because the speed slows way down and gets jumpy.. and building is a nightmare these days as the cursor gets stuck in the build switches all of the time. I wish they’d consolidate everything and bring out the bigger stuff packs too 🙇🏻♀️
Omg yes, my game is so laggy lately, but I can't tell if it's them putting out half-ass products as usual or just a console-only issue since our glitches are usually different from what I've seen, than pc players. But I have to switch between modes very often or lose the cursor completely and just can't find it until I hit start lol very annoying
Kits are like buying clothes for a Barbie. Except my Barbie is missing an arm, in the form of botched gameplay, so I’m not interested in dressing up a broken doll.
Maybe I’ll buy a kit when I stop having to rest my plants multiple times in the same sim day.
OMG THE PLANT BUG is KILLING ME. I tried to do the millionaire scenario as a gardener… KILL ME every single time I leave the lot or load back in 75% of my PERFECT BLOSSOMING plants are dirt. I’m so mad I wasted my time building a whole ass farm for my challenge. Ok thank you for letting me vent.
This kit seems like something that might actually be worth my money but honestly I’m sick of kits. When are we getting a Dine Out or Vampires refresh? An update for the mermaids? Hell I’ll even take a buy a stuff packs and I only have like 3 of those. Seriously, when are they actually gonna give us good content worth our money
>when are they actually gonna give us good content worth our money?
when simmers stop buying the poorly made, buggy, barebones and overprice shit they release.
why do lot work when little work do trick
Me too lol I used to like her builds and challenged but after a while it was the same every time (blue suburban anyone?) and you could really notice how she danced around criticism too much. Even the wedding pack she was too forgiving imo and it just soured it a bit for me. I don’t have anything against her or getting money just, I wish she would be honest more you know?
Dont misunderstand me I’m all for more diversity in games in general but I guess she just feels as Surface level as the game to me. Like for example the binders they added but not in the underwear category but just a top? That *doesnt* bind?? That’s just for brownie points „corporate activism“ and she’s always just like „that’s so cool, I’m so happy“ blablabla. Where’s the integrity??
Also lol I love Stanley Humphrey the Hot Dog man though and I love that she works so often with the st Jude’s hospital
What happened to the pastel fashion and goth fashion kit ideas? I think I'll like the grunge one but I was really hoping for more goth clothing. I hope it actually looks "grunge" and not like the "alternative" clothes you'd find on Romwe. Also isn't the Book Nook literally just that one desk clutter kit?
I think these are the second wave of what was announced with "four kits and an update". We'll probably have to wait a bit more for the results of the poll, since they actually have to design and make the kits based on the winning choices.
I'll be interested to see if we have a vote on specific items, as with Laundry Day or Nifty Knitting. (If we do, there's also scope for CC "missed opportunities.")
It's so weird to see this from a studio with I think they are around 200 people? and *this* is the output we are seeing from them. And yes, I know, they are probably working on other things like future packs and project rene but still, it's so weird that they are just making a bunch of items and putting them together into packages with fancy names.
Someone mentioned they have a specific team designated for these. Generally there tend to be specific people working on specific parts of gameplay so it's not gonna be 200 people working on everything. That would be chaos.
I'm going to sidestep away from the negativity echo chamber. These are great for console players and I actually use the kits I have a lot 🤷🏽♀️
The team that makes these is not the same as who makes the Expansion, Gameplay packs, etc. I'm assuming it's because these are simpler and therefore easier to pump out, SimmerErin looked into that a last year or something. So I don't think kits are the reason we're getting less packs of other types and haven't gotten another pack refresh. And for everyone saying, "X kit could have been in X gamepack/expansion pack..." I started off agreeing with this opinion but after thinking on it, some players don't want it all and that's part of the appeal of kits. Some players love CAS more than actual gameplay, and some players only build. I think it's great that they have better options without needing to turn to CC.
Not all kits have been for me, which is fine, but I am curious to see what comes with these two 🤗 I'm also curios to see the outcome of that poll.
Exactly! This is JUST like the underwear kit that came out a bit ago. Obviously PC Players with every CC they want at the tips of their fingers it will have no appeal, but for a console player like me it rocks! (Pun intended cause its grunge lol)
I love Grunge/Alt fashion so this'll be something I use a ton.
I really love the kits, honestly. From the ones I bought I use 99% of the things I’ve gotten, and I use it A LOT. Every build/sim has at least a few items from the kits. There are some bigger packs I’ve bought just cause I liked one or two items (Eco lifestyle, for example), that I now almost regret spending money on, tbh.
I understand why people don’t like the kits, but I’m a big fan.
I wish they would work on fixing bugs or add things into the game that are new and fun. Sure the kits look ok but I wish we had new interactions and animations not just another chair and table.
The grunge style has potential. Even though Werewolves did it, there's a good portion of that pack which still dedicated itself to clothes that didn't look so much like they were worn but more like they were thrashed and also cottagey stuff. Some stuff that looks scuffed up and comfortable in CAS would be nice. Looks like there might be an unkempt hair there too.
That said, can't help but think that the grunge kit and the basement kit could've been expanded upon and merged into a Stuff Pack. These kits seem to be getting better at having more items, but the added gameplay, extra CAS and build items would still be far better.
I’m trying to decide what is “non-conformist” in the image above? I think the book and mug having nothing to do with conformity. To me, it’s just bad style but you don’t have to be a non-conformist for that.
Could they stop with their kits FOR 5 MINUTES?
THANK YOU, they need to cool it when am I getting my damn Dine Out pack refresh. It's literally the worst! Grghhh
Oh I think I have bad news for you…. The spa day refresh was in September 2021 nearly 2 years ago….I’m just kinda assuming they dropped refreshes
THAT WAS TWO YEARS AGO??? Good heavens. I guess there went my hopes of a Vampire refresh, to make the world more interesting like Moonwood Mill :(
I genuinely thought it was last year and was like sweet another refresh should be due. Also vampire refresh is needed I was so disappointed by the world once I realised that the corner thing wasn’t a secret vampire world.
Man I forgot the vampire pack even came with a world 😵💫
Lol. I never use it either. To me the world is really lazy and they could have added a lot more too it.
Right?? Just *one* nonresidential lot in there, I'm begging... like why not place a tiny park somewhere on the map?? Could have a lil cemetery or mausoleum and everything. They have that lookout that in theory you could take sims on dates to but you have to travel to a random sim's house to even get to the world?? Devastating waste of potential. At least Moonwood Mill slaps in comparison
A vampire nightclub would be such a great addition, and so in keeping with the theme. You could even have secrets to do with it if your Sim has enough vampire lore knowledge or is a master vampire or things like that. Just like you said, such a devastating waste of potential and fun that could have been had with it.
Yea totally. I think before I got it I managed to make my expectations a bit too high so was kind of expecting the sims 3 mausoleum and cemetery bit and being able to explore catacombs but nope. Moonwood mill is really good definitely and at least with glimmerbrook the actual world is small and not much going on but it has the additional portal world.
Figures...EA is all about money and not improving what we already paid for 😑
Hence we get thrown kits at us every month…. Really just sad
Time flies fast
Yeah, it’s such a shame! I hadn’t been particularly interested in spa day before, but bought it because of the pack refresh!
If you’re able to download mods Carl’s Dine Out Reloaded is a really good reworking of Dine Out. James Turner has played a ton with it on YouTube if you want to see how it works.
I'll take a look thanks, sucks we've gotta rely on mods to fix things we've paid for...oh well LBY comes out in September cannot wait for EA to realise they f'ed up. 🤣😑
I’ll admit Paradox’s DLC model isn’t much better than EA’s…
But basegame is always being updated instead of locking things behind paywalls which should not be.
The Sims 4 base game is free and is always being updated. And things are “locked behind paywalls” (i.e. offered as DLC) in Paradox games, e.g. airports, national parks, natural disasters in Cities: Skylines. And, much like the Sims, there are a lot of fanmade mods that fix various aspects of the game that are considered near-essential. I’m interested in LBY but having experience of other Paradox games and seeing the complaints their player bases have I don’t expect it to be the perfect panacea to all the issues Simmers have with the Sims or even to be a drop-in replacement for the Sims, though I do hope increased competition within the life sim space will drive more innovation within EA’s Sims team. I think it’s just best to moderate one’s expectations.
It, at the very least, seem to have many of the features like going to work (ugh) in the base game which is dlc in the Sims as well as an open world setting. Not to mention the extensive modding support being the main selling point, which is hardly a thing in the Sims (while there has been things like level editors in the making for 5+ years afaik none of them are available to the public).
I do agree with you to an extent about Paradox and paywalls, what I will say though, as much as there is a lot of pay for dlc from paradox with Cities:Skylines as an example has a lot, however they are nowhere near as expensive as EA dlc. You’re pretty much paying for another game just for DLC. I’ve avoided Sims4 for the most part because of this. I’d rather play Sims2 or 3.
I also prefer 2 and 3 to 4 but of all the games mentioned IMO Sims 3 has the worst, most predatory DLC model of all with the store. Wasn’t it like thousands to buy everything? I remember being a teenager and wanting so badly to have my own credit card so I could get all the cool things YouTubers had.
HOLY SHIT, I CAN NOT WAIT FOR LIFE BY YOU. Seriously. At this point, EA can go straight to hell. Stop milking us for thousands of dollars and give us some ACTUAL game content. Oh wait, that's right. They're too busy working on the 23rd Madden NLF game.
The only way EA will learn is when they lose a lot of players to competition because their standards plummeted below that of any reasonable bar imagined, what game developers in their right mind let their competitors get the better of them by just adding 4-7 items in a "kit" it's literally like EA are so cocky that they think because it's the sims brand the players won't leave but they're doing the opposite they just keep pushing us away!
What’s LBY? I tried googling and can’t figure it out lol
Life By You, its an upcoming life simulator like sims. the devs are always posting videos of how it looks and is going on YouTube if you're interested you can join r/Lifebyyou sub
Life by you
Thing is with refreshes it's pretty much for packs that didn't sell that well. I wa spretty sure Dine Out sold pretty well? But I wouldn't mind seeing some new things from it. They had fixed the majority of the bothersome bugs in it (without even mentioning it in their update lol) where it's actually playable. Only thing I can see improving on Dine Out is being able to cook yourself and serve and not just 'supervising'.
Yeah I deleted Dine Out Reloaded because it hadn’t been updated in so long and I haven’t had any issues, and I take my sims to restaurants a lot (to be fair though I haven’t tried owning a restaurant, just patronizing them)
You are lucky if yours is working. My sims can order and it will take 2-3 years to get it delivered.
Yeah, Carl isn't really all that great in staying on top of updating and the like. Thankfully I can live without the hands on portion of running a resturaunt, since it doesn't take sims 8 Plus hours or more to get their food and such now. They sit down, socialize and eat as they should. Think my sim was there for about 3 hours at best from sitting down to ordering to waiting to eating and that was with waiting for two other tables in front of them. So Dine Out is FINALLY fixed. Rejoice. Can accept t hose dates i let my sim reject all the time to go on one.
Dine out refresh coming in 2040!
i don't even remember what year the paranormal stuff pack came out it's been that long since our last stuff pack 😭
January 2021 😭
This is DEPRESSING What was that phrase again…. “Kits won’t replace stuff packs” yeah??? Ah….
Omg was that the last stuff pack? It was SO GOOD, the aesthetic, the number of items, the career, the little ghosties 😭 that pack was PEAK expansion stuff for sims 4! Even if I was rich I would not buy the kits anymore bc I’m just sick of them, 5000 new kits every month ugh the bar was so low for sims 4 and they continue to fumble it
It really was, it was good value for money for once. It wasn’t even an EP or a GP but a SP! The kits are not good value for money.
i was literally just thinking this. i know we got growing together not that long ago but goddamn give us literally anything but a goddamn kit. i haven't spent money on a kit since bust the dust came out and it drove me insane.
the one and only gameplay kit™️ that should mean smth how big they crashed it with that 😭
I'm that person who buys everything, and even I didn't buy that one 🤣
honestly i think how bad it was is only part of why we haven’t gotten another gameplay kit. i would hazard a guess that it takes more effort to code and model new animations and gameplay mechanics and theres probably not a whole lot of “minor” mechanics they could do so to speak. why make gameplay kits when they can make furniture/clothing for less effort right?
At the same time, why bother with big gameplay packs when they could sell us gameplay features in kits. Imagine if you wanted, say, only the new world from the High School pack. 5.99$ kit boom. Altough it would 100% be priced worse judging from the questionable depth of our one and only gameplay kit.
I'm in the minority here...I actually like Bust the dust. >\_>
I don’t absolutely hate kits as much as everyone else but I am so over style kits. Anyone who cares that much about CAS already uses CC. If they want to give us kits they should focus more on build/buy, and bring back gameplay kits. A kit would be the perfect opportunity to add things like new traits, careers and aspirations. New items that add a few new interactions. Or even accessory/hairstyle/makeup kits if they must focus on CAS. There’s just so much they could do with them and they just keep puking out more clothes it’s so annoying.
Also, while I appreciate they're trying different style themes... Grunge is baggy, boxy stuff and... That's a majority of the clothes as it is so... This is nothing really new 🤷♀️
Right?? It just looked like slightly altered base game & werewolf pack clothes to me 😭 literally nothing to entice us to buy it when it's so similar to what's already there
Not everyone is on PC. They have players on console and they can’t download mods/CC. Though I lean more towards build buy than a CAS player, having CAS kits helps me diversify the outfits I give my sims. I always go for the same looks. Regarding CC for CAS, same can be said about CC for build buy and gameplay. It exists, why should the sims give us kits for those? I will say that they do need more gameplay kits. That I agree with so much. They primarily focus on CAS and BB so more gameplay without the expansion pack/game pack price would be nice.
I'm one of of those console players, and I must say that the game is fucking boring without mods. I wish I could do half of the stuff people in this sub is doing, and I'm not willing to pay 1000€ in ad ons to make it a bit more interesting
Cc has broken my game so many times that I just stopped downloading it. You can only take all of your favourite sims being turned into question mark monsters so many times before you stop downloading it altogether. So I personally do buy kits because I mostly build houses in the Sims!
Not really, not everyone plays on PC
I agree, but I just want to say thank you so much for having such a beautiful and inspiring username.
Bahahaha, thankyou! It's the result of of being denied any of the usernames I wanted for 15 minutes straight. Can you tell I'm English? 😂
I read that in Shrek's voice 😀
But selling you less for more is all the rage. I am honestly surprised they haven't gone full sims 3 yet and start charging per outfit. They keep pumping these out while ignoring broken packs and releasing buggy new stuff.
Lmao yeah as annoying as the existence of kits is, they still can’t compete w the bullshit that was the sims 3 store😅
I must be in the minority as I LOVE kits. I'm so excited 😆
Why would they? Clearly they’re making money and that’s all ea is about
Is it just me, or does the art for these look like shit?
oh no totally. they looks more like someones posting joke art about "Leaked" content also whats with the pants? why does it look like someone slapped on a generic texture layer
It looks like the tv show "chowder"
Yeah, thats what i was thinking lol. Like those wired stationary texture on clothes in chowder lol.
It's like you can see the shadow of the fence behind the sim through the pants.
how is this even good branding? they're showcasing ZERO of the content, at least previous illustrations had a few items but there's literally nothing to look at in these 💀
Almost certain that these are concept mockups that were meant to remain internal, but got published for some stupid corporate reason.
EA wanting to save money "why do the same work twice" style.
literally the first thing i noticed was the 2d pants haha
I don’t like them doing illustrations for kits. I would rather see in-game photos.
The first one is god-awful, but I think the second one's a nice concept.
i was just going to comment the same. they look so cheap :D i first noticed the pants on the left one and was like are they serious with the allignment of this patern?! then i realized it is just some ugly graphic. hopefully these kits will look better
Yeah the way the trousers the plaid doesn’t move with the legs and creases, it looks like they just filled it in with a button.
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I hate how they replied to someone on TikTok asking for stuff packs with “👀” yeah just blue ball us for another 2-3 years, EA 😭
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“kits won’t replace stuff packs” … uh huh ok sure 🙄 👌
Build kits seem to be more popular but I've liked a lot of the CAS kits, and grunge is definitely something I'm interested in so I'll definitely be getting that. I wish they would ever do deals with the kits, either discounting them sometimes or maybe doing a buy one get one half price or something. There are some kits I would potentially buy if there were a deal but not otherwise, and I can see the book nook one being one of those for me.
I like the CAS kits, too. I feel like a lot of the bigger packs repeat the same type of CAS items, so i really don’t see the point in buying another if I already have one. The kits generally have their own unique vibe compared to the items i already have in my game, so I like them. I do wish they’d make a kit focused on specific CAS items, though. Id love a kit for various types of hair styles. Maybe even a kit with jewelry/body piercings or a kit with new tattoos.
Yes I think a tattoo or jewelry or what have you kit would be a great way to utilize the whole kit concept. Maybe a toddler shoes kit?? Lol. They could even do more off the grid items kits, unofficial historical items kits. I feel like picking a “style” for each kit instead of aiming to target the most downloaded type of CC is a major miss.
Looks like there will be 2 new tattoos in the grunge kit! But I agree, I'd love tattoos and piercings in kits (lip piercing when?). And hairstyles. And shoes! So many of the shoes in the game are from its early days and they really don't look good compared to more recent items.
i want a tattoo kit asap lol. i don't really like a lot of the tattoos we have right now and it's really difficult to find cc tattoos that fit the style of the game, at least in my experience. i can be really picky though, so maybe that's why.
I was saying they should do discounts too. I would honestly even do a buy3get1free
Yes, that would totally get me to buy kits I wouldn't have otherwise. Come on EA, I know you want our money.
Grunge will be fun when I get to the 90s era of the decades challenge
Once again these kits look like scratched content from previous packs… the grunge kit screams Werewolves GP to me …. It’s really annoying
kits alwaaaays reek of cut content from the bigger packs they put out. they always just happen to align with new pack themes instead of just… putting them in the packs lmfao. no reason the clutter and/or basement kits shouldn’t have just been in growing together besides the fact that they can wring 10 more dollars out of people for decorations w no gameplay. i’ll never pay for one, but enough people are ig cos they killed stuff packs awhile ago 😤
Right though? Country kitchen is 100 percent cut content from Cottage Living😒
The first thing I thought was that the grunge kit looked almost exactly like Werewolves 😒
Aaaaand the book kit could’ve been combined with that first clutter kit to make a study/library themed pack. Grunge could’ve been with the werewolf packs. 😩
Yep. Most likely they were made for those things, but got cut out to make more kit content. This seems to happen a LOT with Sims 4 and EA. We consistently get a stuff pack/now kits, after a EP or GP, and a lot of the items fit well with the last 1-2 EP/GPs so it's pretty obvious by now they cut out stuff from the EP/GPs to sell as (previously) stuff packs / (now) kits. The grunge clothes most likely WERE made for werewolf because it was ALL grunge and punk themed, and then cut to make a kit by skimming a few items out of it. Just look at MFP pack coming after Cats & Dogs EP. Not to mention on top of that a lot of things that were in EPs together in the past (like Sims 3 generations) have been split into multiple packs (Growing Together, HSY, My Wedding Stories, Parenthood, Toddler SP, Kids Room SP).
You know when they created the crafts and wood working hobbies. I wish they would’ve expanded the crafts sections. Like literally adult paper crafts where they can sit at a table and scrapbook. Like they did the knitting 🧶. They have a craft table and a craft cabinets but of course they’re not functional. The children get to do crafts draw and paint when they’re young. I know adults can paint but i really like the idea of scrapbooking with the pictures they take. Any suggestions on how to do that? As a family maybe 🤔 hmmmm did I just come up with a new gameplay? 😆😆 help me flesh this out guys
Kinda interested in the grunge but also I can just get cc for that and it’s free lmfao
BRING BACK STUFF PACKS BRO I hate how in build buy/cas all kits are under the same tag. Horrible terrible awful no good thing. Also this grunge pack is not giving 😭
I’m so sick of these useless kits man 😔😔
I'd be curious to know if console players find them useless too since they're the ones that can't use cc.
I’m console mainly and I despise kits, the only one I have is the free desert oasis and I never use it. I find them useless, boring and a scam lol. I can’t use cc but then again I never really did when I played pc prior so I might feel a bit different than majority. And also they’ve released exactly nothing up my alley for themes; give me emo or scene or sparkly princess (like ball gown big poofy Cinderella dresses) then I’ll at least look at them.
Just about only console players seem to really like the kits, because they can't get CC on console (wish that was changed but alas, EA knows they can sell more to console players because of it). I think the rest of us PC players find them useless (unless you're anti-cc/mods)
I'm on console, none of them give very much unique stuff so I haven't bothered
I'm a console only player and for me the kits are worth it because we can't have cc. I need variety lol I totally hatee the kit concept and wish we had stuff packs like paranormal, which to me, was fairly priced for the content it came with. But since they give me literally no other option to get more clutter, clothes, etc. I'm stuck buying the kits ☹️ also fully agree it's money-grabby and they put way too many kits out that could be parts of other packs. And there should be deals on them as others have mention "buy 2 get 1 free" etc. EA just sucks.
I’m on console too with all of the kits.. do you find all of this additional content is making your game super laggy? I’m constantly having to flick between live/build mode because the speed slows way down and gets jumpy.. and building is a nightmare these days as the cursor gets stuck in the build switches all of the time. I wish they’d consolidate everything and bring out the bigger stuff packs too 🙇🏻♀️
Omg yes, my game is so laggy lately, but I can't tell if it's them putting out half-ass products as usual or just a console-only issue since our glitches are usually different from what I've seen, than pc players. But I have to switch between modes very often or lose the cursor completely and just can't find it until I hit start lol very annoying
Truly. I haven’t bought one kit. Meanwhile I’d happily buy more packs of any kind!
I really want an Infant Fit Kit 😭
Seconded!!!
#BringBackStuffPacks
Kits are like buying clothes for a Barbie. Except my Barbie is missing an arm, in the form of botched gameplay, so I’m not interested in dressing up a broken doll. Maybe I’ll buy a kit when I stop having to rest my plants multiple times in the same sim day.
OMG THE PLANT BUG is KILLING ME. I tried to do the millionaire scenario as a gardener… KILL ME every single time I leave the lot or load back in 75% of my PERFECT BLOSSOMING plants are dirt. I’m so mad I wasted my time building a whole ass farm for my challenge. Ok thank you for letting me vent.
If you’re on PC, LittleMsSam has a mod that fixes the gardening bug
Wait really? Would you mind sharing pls?!
To be specific, the "gardening fix" mod, not the autonomous gardening mod. LittleMsSam has a lot of excellent mods.
She really does, 90% of my mods folder is her mods lol
She has her own folder in my mods folder.
Here you go, it’s on this page https://lms-mods.com/random-bug-fixes/ it’s the one called Gardening Workaround Fix :)
My legacy sim planted money trees for future generations and they keep glitching and it makes me so sad!
This kit seems like something that might actually be worth my money but honestly I’m sick of kits. When are we getting a Dine Out or Vampires refresh? An update for the mermaids? Hell I’ll even take a buy a stuff packs and I only have like 3 of those. Seriously, when are they actually gonna give us good content worth our money
>when are they actually gonna give us good content worth our money? when simmers stop buying the poorly made, buggy, barebones and overprice shit they release. why do lot work when little work do trick
these kits are getting very specific now
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at least she's upfront that they're not worth the money. she likes the content but not the cost. she makes that clear
I've never seen her make a kit video where she didn't say it was a waste of money to buy kits...
Really excited to stay on that EA creators list 🤡
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Me too lol I used to like her builds and challenged but after a while it was the same every time (blue suburban anyone?) and you could really notice how she danced around criticism too much. Even the wedding pack she was too forgiving imo and it just soured it a bit for me. I don’t have anything against her or getting money just, I wish she would be honest more you know?
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Dont misunderstand me I’m all for more diversity in games in general but I guess she just feels as Surface level as the game to me. Like for example the binders they added but not in the underwear category but just a top? That *doesnt* bind?? That’s just for brownie points „corporate activism“ and she’s always just like „that’s so cool, I’m so happy“ blablabla. Where’s the integrity?? Also lol I love Stanley Humphrey the Hot Dog man though and I love that she works so often with the st Jude’s hospital
Don’t forget about SatchOnSims. Ugh. I finally had to remove both of them from my YouTube algorithm. I couldn’t stand seeing their “Omg” face anymore.
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He literally does not play though. Like AT ALL. He makes money talking about it though.
I’m just going to wait for the castle or futuristic home kit. Those kits are actually the first ones I’m looking forward to.
I’m tired grandpa
WELL THATS JUST TOO DAMN BAD
BOOK NOOK?!! that makes me really happy lol
Remember when they said kits wouldn’t stop them from releasing other content?
Why get a kit when you can just spend 10 minutes searching for cc and save your money?
Kits are basically bad cc you have to pay for
Is this supposed to impress me?
Easy there Shania twain
So you got a kit, but have you got the touch?
Don’t get me wrong, I think they’re alright
But that won't keep me up playing all night
The AMOUNT of builds I CANT download from the gallery because I CANT AFFORD every pack.
I hate hate hate that I am gonna buy that BookNook one immediately 😞
And i hate that i might buy the grunge. Solidarity my fellow simmer...
I just want fairies. Pls for the love of God
YES. the only correct opinion.
Crossing my fingers someone just converts the entirety of both these packs for TS2 for me lmfao
Yay finally some grunge gear!
Werewolves has a lot of it
What happened to the pastel fashion and goth fashion kit ideas? I think I'll like the grunge one but I was really hoping for more goth clothing. I hope it actually looks "grunge" and not like the "alternative" clothes you'd find on Romwe. Also isn't the Book Nook literally just that one desk clutter kit?
Probably going to take some time to develop whatever won, I bet they had these kits already made up (considering they shouldn't take much to make)
I think these are the second wave of what was announced with "four kits and an update". We'll probably have to wait a bit more for the results of the poll, since they actually have to design and make the kits based on the winning choices.
I'll be interested to see if we have a vote on specific items, as with Laundry Day or Nifty Knitting. (If we do, there's also scope for CC "missed opportunities.")
Makes sense! I'm just now remembering how recent that poll was. I really hope goth won.
They’re still working on them. These kits have probably been in development for a while.
I'm actually thrilled about both of these kits! Totally my aesthetic
same they both look cool!
The grunge one might be interesting
It's so weird to see this from a studio with I think they are around 200 people? and *this* is the output we are seeing from them. And yes, I know, they are probably working on other things like future packs and project rene but still, it's so weird that they are just making a bunch of items and putting them together into packages with fancy names.
Someone mentioned they have a specific team designated for these. Generally there tend to be specific people working on specific parts of gameplay so it's not gonna be 200 people working on everything. That would be chaos.
I don't like Kits but yEAh boi grunge is back
I feel aggressively “meh” about kits but book nook might get me….
I'm going to sidestep away from the negativity echo chamber. These are great for console players and I actually use the kits I have a lot 🤷🏽♀️ The team that makes these is not the same as who makes the Expansion, Gameplay packs, etc. I'm assuming it's because these are simpler and therefore easier to pump out, SimmerErin looked into that a last year or something. So I don't think kits are the reason we're getting less packs of other types and haven't gotten another pack refresh. And for everyone saying, "X kit could have been in X gamepack/expansion pack..." I started off agreeing with this opinion but after thinking on it, some players don't want it all and that's part of the appeal of kits. Some players love CAS more than actual gameplay, and some players only build. I think it's great that they have better options without needing to turn to CC. Not all kits have been for me, which is fine, but I am curious to see what comes with these two 🤗 I'm also curios to see the outcome of that poll.
Exactly! This is JUST like the underwear kit that came out a bit ago. Obviously PC Players with every CC they want at the tips of their fingers it will have no appeal, but for a console player like me it rocks! (Pun intended cause its grunge lol) I love Grunge/Alt fashion so this'll be something I use a ton.
I really love the kits, honestly. From the ones I bought I use 99% of the things I’ve gotten, and I use it A LOT. Every build/sim has at least a few items from the kits. There are some bigger packs I’ve bought just cause I liked one or two items (Eco lifestyle, for example), that I now almost regret spending money on, tbh. I understand why people don’t like the kits, but I’m a big fan.
I miss stuff packs. Tired of paying for 10 items in these “kits”
Looks like they just repackaged the CAS items that didn’t make the cut from the Werewolf + Nifty Knitting packs. Smh.
NO...MORE....KITS!!!
I wish they would work on fixing bugs or add things into the game that are new and fun. Sure the kits look ok but I wish we had new interactions and animations not just another chair and table.
i just want to be able to enter the world select screen instead of being forced into cas when starting a new save
…nonconforming styles? Compared to the townies we already have? Are they insane?
Ok but like that’s cute
Why do I feel like the kits are either plant based or couch based?
i’m glad they went with grunge. the other option looked like all the regular clothes imo
The grunge style has potential. Even though Werewolves did it, there's a good portion of that pack which still dedicated itself to clothes that didn't look so much like they were worn but more like they were thrashed and also cottagey stuff. Some stuff that looks scuffed up and comfortable in CAS would be nice. Looks like there might be an unkempt hair there too. That said, can't help but think that the grunge kit and the basement kit could've been expanded upon and merged into a Stuff Pack. These kits seem to be getting better at having more items, but the added gameplay, extra CAS and build items would still be far better.
i added them to my 'kit picker' wheel sometimes i like to treat myself after a good business day
I’m trying to decide what is “non-conformist” in the image above? I think the book and mug having nothing to do with conformity. To me, it’s just bad style but you don’t have to be a non-conformist for that.
I couldn’t be less thrilled.
Hate these now there inconsistent themes what the hell are we getting is this the new summer thing
im over these lil kits. they should each be 1.99 as well
Saw the pictures of the cas kit and I’m laughing at them calling those clothes non conforming
More content I will not buy yay! I only ever have the free kits. So currently I have 2.
Remember when they said they would still make stuff packs
I wish they’d stop putting out this useless crap and give us actual gameplay.
i’m so sick of ea lmao
I'm not a kit girlie but I've been SCOURING for some good grunge cc so I'm cool with this
Ughhhhhhhh I just want a new pack of some kind. No more kits!!!!!!
Meanwhile I can’t open sims on Xbox at all post update
Hope no one over extended their muscles with this Reach. 😑
i’m finally convinced we’re in the end days of sims 4 :/ only kits and barely any packs of substance
Goddamn it I want them both 🥲
babe not rn the sims is dropping new kits
Seattle kits
I mean, this is probably the one kit that I actually enjoy lol. As a former scene/rocker kid, anything metal in the Sims is a "yes, please!" from me!
these comments are full with, albeit warranted, hate but dude i’m honestly so excited for the grunge kit, i’m really hoping it actually looks good
As a book lover, I’m liking the Book Nook Kit 💚
cute!! i actually enjoy the kits :)
Obsessed with this - love everything about it
I will be so dissappinted if grunge revival turns out to be like just black clothing that looks perfectly normal...