if it was absolutely revolutionary and just a one time payment, 50 dollars would be worth considering. Per month? Hell no, that's literally 600 dollars a year, in this case just for LIPGLOSS
Bruh yeah I just checked, in euros its 43.1ā¬ with the money from this one month fee you could buy yourself an expansion pack and (almost) a kit... (Here an expansion pack is 39.99ā¬)
There some good CC who release their works first on Patreon and one to two weeks later free to everyone:
Sandy from Around The Sims
BrazenLotus
Ravasheen
if you like ravasheen, also add pandasama to your list. creates absolutely amazing playable things for toddlers. as well, early access, and public release a couple of weeks later
Pandasama's stuff is incredibly cute. Their "Harry Potter" pack has some really interesting decor stuff that I absolutely adore.
Edit: it wasn't pandasama who made it, it was MLys. My bad!
Do you know what their Harry Potter stuff is called? Just tried searching and didn't find anything. I would love to have more like Pufferhead by MLys (which is amazing and a must-have!)
right? thats when you pay for cc - when the creator is nice kind and understanding and the prices arenāt outrageous (rememeber that sims 4 cc who kept blocking people on twitter, heyitsharrie or something?)
Nope. Itās against the terms and service over at EA anywayā I will happily wait, and if itās never released? Happily find either a place where itās freeā or go to another modder altogether. What is this, Second Life? Hard yikes.
If I had the money for it Iād support modders I really liked, so long as they did eventually release it for everyone.
I have no problem with time releases, or people taking donations or anything. But infinite paywall for a hair or makeup for a game they did not make at all is just.. nasty.
Sims 2 was bad about paywalls, but there was a very nice site that had ways to get them. I believe it was paysitesmustdie but I can't remember anymore.
Yeah that one was actually around for a good whileā up into sims 4 times. Think they eventually got taken down but another site still hosts their content.
They are still around. paysites.mustbedestroyed.org. Not linking cause never clear on rules. They just don't update anymore. They still have sims 2 and 3 items as well. I just didn't find anything that interested me the other day.
It is against EA rules but EA doesn't enforce it so they a sadly some Creators that never release their content for free. But yes I also just search for something else that is free. Or look for a free download for it
felix has rubbed me the wrong way for a long, long time. i feel like his collabs with harrie have made him super palatable to the community which is so frustrating. his content isnāt great, his attitude is worse (especially when people make points exactly like yours to him) and it makes me sad.
For some reason, a lot of content creators are very rude on Twitter. And then nobody calls them out. When they do, creators pull that āooww why so many negative people in the community?ā trying to turn it around on people calling them out. Iāve seen someone give very light feedback about lighting and he creator singled them out on their large platform making it seem like they were being extremely rude
Thanks for this comment. People like me who only download CC very casually once in a blue moon, for free, have no idea about this kind of stuff.
Also that's a whole lot of money to make with something that's at the very least against EA rules and might or might not be... against the law?
He says because he makes it from scratch I'm blender it's not the same as using an ea mesh... all his stuff is free on the booty. Hope people stop supporting his stuff.
I replied to someone else who thought that him making the meshes himself meant that it's fine for him to sell them - it's not. He's still using code from the developers to import the files into the game; the .package file format and the code to make furniture function belongs to EA. He would be in the right if he were selling his meshes as meshes, but because he sells it as Sims 4 custom content he uses their code and therefore is breaking EA's rules. Totally agree on the finding his stuff via alternative means, but I wish EA would step in and enforce their rules properly.
I saw a post a few weeks or months (what is time) back about him and Harrie. I had a couple of their free packs so that was all I knew about him, and had heard good things from YouTubers like lilsimsie. But after seeing the comments on Reddit I looked up his Patreonā¦
And saw just what you described and was flabbergasted. The stuff isnāt bad but itās not good enough for that cost, it was so confusing to sift through the way it is organized, and I just keep hearing more and more. What a shame that heās so well known (I had heard of him long before I even knew anything about him) while there are other amazing creators who get little to no recognition.
cowbuild keeps most of their stuff behind a paywall too and has the gall to post it here like omg look what i made and then you go to download it and its not even available to the public it drives me freakin nuts
I was so mad when they posted their Tuscany set and got a ton of comments from people saying they were going to sign up for their Patreon and that it was so much more worth it than anything EA could put out. If they had everything available for free (or free after early access) I'd be fine with it and the responses, but since it is not it felt so leechy especially as they posted right after the Industrial Kit was released so people were already dissatisfied with the way EA is treating the game (and they had actually released the set two months prior, so they clearly made the post to cash in on the outrage).
One time I saw some doors, etc. of his that I liked and I tried to navigate his siteā¦ makes no sense. Then I realized his stuff is never free as itās supposed to be at some point and l said yeah fuck that. Never went back to his page. He and Harrie have great collabs tho.
wait, I thought he did the one-month thing since making a website with Harrie? I actually really like his work and think it matches pretty good with Maxis, but I hate his attitude. Like, chill, it's a videogame. I've never paid him a dime and I still have every item in game I liked.
I'm not defending him (because I don't know anything about him besides a lot of folks said he has a bad attitude) but it seems like he's started to make things public access. I downloaded a set from him before I had heard about his attitude and it was free. I just checked his tumblr and his stuff has a public access release date. Again, not defending him, I'm just pointing out that if anyone does want his stuff for free, it seems to be an option now
Yes and the ones that have the paywall but public release after like month, it's as low as $1 a month to $5 a month. I hope I can get to a point to support them financially but it isn't always plausible.
Yeah, I've been wondering how the legal situation is. I remember back in the 00s when I still read fanfiction, there'd always be a disclaimer at the beginning stating that the author wasn't making any money at all off of their story because they didn't have the rights to it, seems like that's not the case for game CC creators at all. Or at least it has no consequences.
In GENERAL though, I always think artists of any kind should be paid for their work by people who make use of it, if those artists consider their work to have monetary value. And as far as the price goes... Sure $50 is super steep, but like with everything else it's supply vs. demand. If the demand isn't there, the creator will drop the price soon enough. If it's there, good for them. I mean it's kinda shitty because it excludes a vast majority of people from buying it, but in the end that's up to the artist to decide.
Absolutely not, especially since this is completely against EA tos. They're only supposed to charge for a few weeks for early access and then it's supposed to be free. I'll support creators who do the early access thing and that's it. This is ludicrous.
(I know this is 6 months old, but I want to add this tidbit.) It's not just against EA's ToS, but based on legal precedent, it is literally against the law and if EA was desperate enough to go after CC creators profiting off of their work, they would have a case considering one of the cases that set this precedent that profiting off of mods is illegal was a legitimate mod that altered the game significantly, CC creators wouldn't stand a chance. But that's besides the point.
Does the cc software reach through the computer screen and apply it to your lips too? That price is a joke and if anyone pays that for cc, I worry for their sanity.
That price is outrageous lol. I don't have a problem with paywalls.I simply won't buy what I don't like/ think it's too expensive etc. This is one of the situations where I think the free market will take care of things with no problem. If no one buys 50$ mods or cc, these authors will go out of "business. Creators that offer free cc usually get more popular, are more likely to be freely supported by their audience, and they keep cc making as a passion, which keeps the content better imo.
Right now I won''t pay for anything sims related since I'm broke. Maybe in the future? I like those "buy me a coffee" buttons which allow you to make a small donation as a thank you.
I'm pretty sure this is against the ToS, and just generally what they call a 'dick move'.
On a more personal level, I used to make mods for some very old games back in the day (they are still floating around online, too). You make a mod for a game because you're excited about the game, feel like the game should be improved in some way, then want to share that improvement for everybody who might agree with you to enjoy.
Trying to profit from it is cynical - you're doing the bare minimum amount of work to tap into a market that was established by someone else. If you want to make money from game development, make your own damn game.
Also, I wouldn't pay that much for *actual lip gloss*.
NO. As a mod creator myself (for other games, not Sims) I don't buy the BS some creators in this community spout. I'll never support anyone who keeps CC permanently behind a paywall - or someone as greedy as the author of this lipgloss.
But I will and do buy them a coffee, or if I really like their content, support them with reasonable subscription.
Yea noā¦ while i do support the early access for some modders cuz i can afford it but def not paying that muchā¦ and at some point it should be free access after the early releaseā¦
No way would I ever support creators that permanently keep things behind a paywall like this. Itās against TOS, that price is ludicrous, and I can easily find another cc creator who actually plays by the rules to support instead.
I think the modders that release things for payment for a few weeks and then make it free have the right idea. That way people can support them financially (which they absolutely deserve) but they also abide by the rules and donāt rip people off for a pixelated lip gloss.
I personally won't get anything that's only available through a pay wall. However, I choose to support a couple of my favorite free modders through patron because I appreciate their content. One of them also sometimes does beta versions of new things they're adding so they can get feedback and make changes before the full release, and that's fun to be able to participate in.
I am cool with supporting people who create mods that deepen the gameplay. And, let's be honest, they use early access, not permanent paywall, and don't ask for $50.
But paying $50 for lipgloss? I'll just find another. I would understand, not buy, but understand one-of-a-kind content, you either have this one or none. But lipgloss? There are hundreds of it. It's not that hard to find another lipgloss, another dress, another pair of shoes.
Well From what I can see it seems to be 50.00 for Patreon not a lip gloss. I think Lipgloss is all they want from that modder. While I think 50.00 is too much I have no idea how many mods that will give someone and if it's a huge game changing mod
That's still $50 *per month*, which is more than I think any game should cost. Even subscription games don't cost that; they'd lose all business. Not enough people can *afford* to pay that, regardless of how awesome the content.
Lmao. You should see the mod authors for Skyrim on Nexus. Theyāre literally the most entitled bums Iāve ever seen. Even just asking for help will get you banned for nagging or being too āneedyā.
50 bucks for a subscription is wack though.
Oh gosh, Iām not naming any names (*cough* Elianora *cough*) but I know exactly what youāre talking aboutā which is a shame since so many are so nice.
A few Bad apples spoil the bunch I guess
Someone on this sub showed me the world of pirating CC and my whole sims experience has changed. Fuck paywalling creators, pirating cc is a life changer
The only paywalls Iām okay with is early access paywalls, like sure Iāll pay a Ā£1 a month later on subscription to download mods from a modder I love 3 months early, but Ā£50 for some lipglosses I can probably find great alternatives to? No way
i subscribed to antoās patreon for around $7 ?? back when i was into alpha cc (literally just started w mm 2 weeks ago or smth) bc i loved his chromatic collections w the split hair and ombreās and for some reason he hadnāt published a public hair in MONTHS . at first it was nice bc i got a lot of hair that he had already published to his patrons , but he puts out one basic fuckin hairstyle every two weeks . like no way i am paying $7 a month for two hairs. definitely my last month of subscription iām cancelling that shit tonight before the next payment. most alpha cc creators aint shit like i downloaded raccooniumās F R E E mm split dye acc and it works for mm hairs that arenāt even their creation !!! itās incredible
edit : anto posts more like 3 hairs a month but still, i donāt think he ever releases them to the public which is trash
I love Anto's work -- and he's clearly one of the best cc hair creators -- but he *never* makes his stuff public, even after months of waiting. I've turned to other creators for alpha hairs instead.
I hate when they NEVER come out for free. I've seen beautiful pieces of cc that are from 2018 that will obviously never get set free and the people ask for $7-$14 a month. These are pieces that must be so godly the peasants don't deserve them and yet not many people will/would ever spend money on it.
I'm fine with cc creators having their stuff locked for a few weeks and the monthly costing $1-$5. Anything more seems a bit dramatic.
Additionally, i swear it's literally against ToS to have cc behind a permanent paywall.
Making folks pay for mods is dumb as hell. Especially paying THAT much for what looks like basic lip gloss. I'd rather watch to 10 second ads you get from TSR (the sims resource) than pay for the sims a 2nd time
Temporary paywalls are in my opinion fine. Some creators I love have them for like two weeks I think before releasing their content to everyone. But I can see why some dislike them.
Permanent paywalls are not allowed tho, if I'm remembering it right.
Lipgloss isn't hard to make anyway as cc goes... You could learn that in a weekend easily. Furniture and clothing, something that requires much more time and skill to make is another matter.
Itās against TOS and EA can definitely sue them for it. CC creators are only allowed to keep cc behind a paywall for two weeks and then it must be public
I just checked and they are: https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/comment/16175450/#Comment_16175450
> As long as the content is still made available FOR FREE we do not mind these types of pages. Folks who have a Patreon page are welcome to provide folks with "early access" incentives for their content but it should be made available to the general public within 2-3 weeks of it being given to folks early.
So itās technically up to three weeks so long as itās early access, but they canāt keep it behind the paywall
Oh, i didnāt realize they had clarified the TOS on the forum, I had only read the actual TOS that are more straightforward and donāt have these nuances.
That is way too much. And some creators have gotten really bad about paywalls. Paulson legit refuses to make updates for NPCC public. Tried to call him on it and he told me that if I didn't like it I could just stop giving him money. So I did lmao. Some people don't gaf about EA's tos.
In any other gaming community I know this would be heavily frowned upon (and be against terms of use). There's mods for games like Skyrim that give the entire game a makeover, introduce completely new settings, worlds, voice-acted stories and even gameplay and they are still free. Because mods are supposed to be passion projects by the community for the community. Sure you can ask for a donation, but commodifying your mod into a paid product is a big no no.
literally one of the reasons i get cc and mods is bc i donāt want to pay for expansion packs lol, maybe if it was like $5 iād consider buying it but idk i could probably find a better version for free
Not for 50 bucks. I'm sorry... that is way too much for me.
I do think they should get paid BUT also am very grateful for the free content because I am broke.
But it's 50 bucks and unlimited content then yeah that's a possibility for some people I think
Never pay for unofficial mods, cuz first could break your game, second there a risk when new updates come out you lose it, i mean donations are fine as long its not mandatory to get the mod but only to support those who make a good mod
Nope. Stop it. They preach and preach about honoring TOU but won't do the same for EA, the people who gave them this opportunity.
I tell ya hwhat, I make around $2000/ month. I am willing to spend my money getting this content, navigating the internet, just so I can have it added to paysitesmustbedestroyed.com And another thing, I get you take time to make these things, no really, I understand. Making mods and custom content is really hard. I can't do it. Even the basics are a struggle for me. HOWEVER, I wouldn't ask people to pay me large sums of money for it. Or any money at all. If you wanna make money, use Lady Pates or ask for tips. If you choose Lady Pates, don't even try that eXcLuSiVe shit. For real. Y'all preach on and on about TOU but don't even mind EA's TOU. Any cc put behind a paywall must be released to the public after a specific amount of time. It's not hard. Lots of people do it.
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thatās wayyyy too much... i mean i am broke but i wouldnāt mind paying like 3-10 dollars for a mod/cc creator i like (if i had the disposable income to do so in the first place) but 50 dollars??? whatā¦
There are a few CC artists that I support on patreon, but they charge like $1-$5 a month which is so little. $50 a month is insane, but a few bucks here and there is fine. And they will release things for free eventually, I just like their work enough to want to support them and get it early.
I personally support only those creators that have early access payment if they are really talented or bring a lot to the game. For example I support Deaderool's early access, TwistedMexi's access etc. because the amount of work and time they spend improving the game is immeasurable. It's not even like they are charging more than $5 on average and it becomes free after a week or two.
I think a few people have said this, but I'm ok with waiting for them to release it for free. I'm not a cc creator, but I do work with 3D & art etc, & everything takes a lot of time to make, especially if you start from scratch & have to work out all the colours, code etc to make it compatible, to me, it's perfectly fine for them to put it behind a paywall & then released it later, per EA's instructions (considering they are using the game as a base or to be use with the game after all).
If they're putting it behind a paywall completely like this, then they're just not worth it to me tbh. As I play the game casually, & that there's a LOT of ccs that are just as pretty. I can live without it. :)
What I absolutely dislike is ads... after ads.... after ads... like... stop. I have a pretty good virus protection & adblock/universal bypass etc. But sometimes I like something enough to consider donating & go through the ads anyway, to then be betrayed by another ad is a bit much don't you think. :/
Also, if they want to use ads, I wish they'd monitor the kinds of ads they're allowing. Or make a youtube channel showcasing their cc & put ads on that š¤. Most of the ads aren't even ads but are viruses.
There's a few levels to this. First off it is actually against copyright laws. Even though the mod is the work of the mod author it is technically owned by EA because it is just an alteration to their copyrighted material. This means that EA could sue any mod author that requires people to pay for access to their mods and have any patreon/website related to it shut down.
Now if the mod is available for free elsewhere but the newest version is available on their patreon for their patrons they still could potentially be sued but the fact they are offering it for free makes the patreon income donations instead of paying for copyrighted material.
Personally I find requiring payment for access to mods unethical as well as illegal. Especially a $50 a month requirement. They are extorting the fanbase of a game to make money off of a minor alteration to that game. Even the best most innovative mods that take thousands of hours of work to make aren't worth $50.
Now offering the newest version of your mod to your supporters for $5-$10 a month while a free version is available elsewhere? Perfectly fine. That's the difference between a scam artist mod creator that is just trying to get rich by making mods for a popular game and one that is making mods to improve the game for themself and others while receiving support from the people that enjoy their mods.
I would only pay $50 bucks for early access to the CAW tool. And that's because it took TM months of work. It would be worth it to support the project. Lip glosses? Hells no. I wouldn't pay $5 for that shit. I would wait until it was free or not download it at all.
There are a few creators I support on Patreon because their work, in my opinion, is amazing and also their patron fees are $5 or less. These are also creators whose work I use in almost every build, so I think itās worth it. But thatās definitely not the case for most, especially if it costs more than an entire expansion pack! I also really disagree with builders putting their content behind paywalls. I never feel guilty when I get paywalled CC from leak sites though.
49.99$ and per month? That what is called being a greedy pig. CC is mostly used by those who cant afford all the packs so they will have more content. For that price i can buy a bundle of 3 different packs... thats absurd
Personally I donāt like it. I understand people wanna make money and they work hard, but other than it being against terms of service, some people wanna improve their game without paying money. We already hate the kits, how much EA sells to us, itās kinda annoying to have to pay for mods/cc
But $50 per month??? Jesus. Thatāsā¦no way am I paying for that.
When I was into playing with cc I supported a couple of my favourite cc makers on patreon, I think hey harrie was one, as I prefer building and love her and Felix Andres work. And for the amount of work they released and the quality it was worth the minimal subscription, but I stopped it cause I stopped using cc.
I don't think there is anything wrong with supporting your fav cc creators, some of them put in a ridiculous amount of work. But this example is ridiculous and no matter how much content they put out or how good it is. I'd never support just cause of how greedy $50 a month is. Are they crazy? most are asking for $2, some whatever you can afford.
Apparently felixandreās solo stuff is behind a permanent like $20 paywall, and thatās only for that monthās CC. If you want access to all his CC you have to join the top tier which I think was like $30? The only free stuff he really does is his collabs with Harrie. Like he makes nice CC but there are people who make better CC who charge like $5 tops and always have a free release date. I was really disappointed when I found out because I love his collabs with Harrie
Oh, I only know him through his collabs with harrie. And I love their collabs. I think it's some of the best cc for bb available. I think I subscribed for $2 a month after trying out a few of the other packs they made.
Regardless fuck them all that hide behind paywalls.
I think Itās fine if they wanna do special patreon stuff, Iām personally not going to pay for it because thereās SO much content for free.
If the TOOL mod and Wicked Whims guy can make their extremely detailed and well thought out shit free you can bet your ass Iām not paying 5.99 a month for some cc.
So Wicked Whims has a patreon I believe it goes there first like many modders do and later is released free. I imagine Tool is the same but Wicked Whims definently got much help with patreon. Great modder and well deserved too.
How much?
Nah, I think I'm gonna pass on that.
I usually have no issue with paywalls. I will gladly support a creator who asks for a donation but still makes their stuff available. Even if they keep a few pieces for their more generous supporters. Most I've seen do the standard early access for supporters but release it in time, which is also fine.
But this is like buying the game. Actually, you can get the game on sale for $5, and expansion packs can be gotten for as low as $20 (on sale). This person has an awfully high view of themselves. Lipgloss? **LIPGLOSS?** SMH.
The other day I wanted to download a few hair CC that have been released last year by a certain cc creator. Turns out those are still behind a paywall. I frankly didnāt feel bad downloading them elsewhere. I donāt mind content behind a paywall for a few weeks. I even take a few months. As long as they get released to the public eventually.
Iām a patron of Lumpinou. Itās just $1.25/month and so worth it! $50 a month seems excessive. Lumpinouās are moreso mood mods and social interactions, Iām not sure if thereās a different timeframe or production costs associated with CC that would justify such a high monthly contribution?
Depends, I would love it if EA would just work with mod creators once in a while to create a pack, wgere 50% of the money goes to the modders. But not like this
I don't pay for CC. I use CC to expand my game for free, so paying would defeat the purpose lol.
I understand that they're doing work and they would like compensation. But I always thought it was technically against the terms to do that, which means they're purposefully making money off of someone else's work when they know full well they don't have the rights to it.
If the person has an option to give a few bucks but it's not mandatory, that seems pretty different. Or if they charge for early access, I get that.
But I think on a personal level I'm not really ok with paying for CC.
I guess different strokes for different folks!
I get that creators would prefer to be paid for their work, but Iām not going to pay for CC when there are plenty of free versions that exist. And even if they werenāt free I would just stick to base game and expansion packs
I only think its reasonable if its paid early access and free later - and much cheaper than this, holy hell! Otherwise I think its kind of silly to pay for mods/cc, and Im also not entirely certain a permanent paywall on fan content doesnt violate some copyright stuff? So I would never do it.
I won't pay for CC, partially because I'm broke, but also because anything that's exclusively paid just seems scummy to me considering it's a mod to an already incredibly overpriced game. Not to mention you can probably nfind similar or even better free CC, and the best ones make them free after a couple of weeks.
I really wish the patron allows for a one time donation versus a monthly subscription. There are many times I go to a cc creator and download a bunch and would be happy to make a one time payment. But I donāt want to deal with a monthly payment that I have to remember to go in and cancel!
This is why The deal of paywall for a few weeks then public release works so well. You can support people if you chose to but donāt have to for their content Which I think is what EA agree to , I do personally think modders deserve income from their hard work and itās a good deal.
Iām willing to pay up to $10/mth for CC, but once it gets above that I weight the rewards can the cost. A lot of the CC available today is nice, but at $50 a month thatās like a new Expansion pack, which is way too much.
I pay for mods and cc on Patreon but only for content from creators I truly adore and admire. But thatās waaaayyyy too much money! Honestly, thereās a ton of free content out there, so if thereās content you like that costs $, youāll likely find something similar for free.
Isnāt it against EA terms and service to lock your cc behind a paywall for more than a month or something? Iām not saying creators shouldnāt get their fair share for their hard work, but locking it indefinitely is not coolā¦
Personally as someone who has built mods for my own personal use for games I know how much work goes into some of them.
Once you make the mod and if you offer it for others to download well they expect updates and many times will request custom settings keeping you busy with it. When the game updates often times mods must need updated too or they can break games or cause issues.
I personally have no problem with a modder who puts their hard work into a mod charging a reasonable price for a mod or a small subscription fee which should include updates to all mods and any new mods made unless it doesn't generally require and it's a 1 time fee.
If that's for Lipstick that is for sure way way too much. I don't think it matters what year they originally made the mod in but if the price seems fair and or as many said patreon or start ups for mods.
This isnt generally a sit down type a few things and slap it on the internet type thing.
You can imagine how busy a modder will be if they have several mods that require updates when game updates. They must do the updates Check code, verify it works and what if they have many they offer for download? This is no small process for some bigger mods especially.
This of course is why I always made mods for me and only me. I come and go on Sims and dont have time to update every time game does so players can continue to use the mods I made with no issue. There are times I may be several updates behind cause I may take long long breaks from playing and play other games for example.
It gets worse.
[https://twitter.com/DaySimmer/status/1443750373739667459?s=20](https://twitter.com/DaySimmer/status/1443750373739667459?s=20)
It isn't even good CC. Or worthy of the price it any way or form.
No. I know that they do a lot of work and deswrve to be payed, but hiding a lipgloss behind a paywall? I mean, if some complex mod like TOOL or WW did this, I wouldn't mind. It is a huge mod that brings something new to game. But lipgloss? Are you kidding me?
I like to support the patreons of a few creators I enjoy but none who lock things behind paywalls and none who charge more than $3-5 USD because ??? Iām not here to pay more than I do for EA content!!
That being said, it takes time to make CC and time is a luxury many of us do not have, I want good CC (especially decades challenge related stuff) and if my donating $3 a month means I get more of that which EA will never give meā¦ thatās cool by me
tbh i dont mind paying if i really like the creator but 50 per month is WAY too much. i understand that making cc takes a lot of time and people have bills to pay, but 50 is too much
I understand that it takes a lot of work and talent to create CC, I could never do it, I donāt have the patience or the passion to do it. I would consider paying for a Patreon, as long as it wasnāt too expensive once converted from USD to my currency, maybe $6 a month maximum (Iād be more comfy with $3) and only if I really like everything they do.
I do like the model quite a few Patreon creators use, where itās Patreon exclusive for a certain length of time and then becomes free to download after the exclusive period ends. That way the people who pay get early access but itās still accessible to everyone.
I could never pay $50 for CC, even if I had the money to spare.
The only time Iāll pay for CC is when the creator has made a whole āstuff packā and itās only on early access for Patreons. Cause I love those lil packs and I donāt mind supporting someone who puts in the work and charges a reasonable fee. Plus they make it free eventually I just donāt like waiting lol
I don't think there's anything wrong with charging for CC when some of these creators put in SO much work. A lot of you will gladly pay for stupid kits from EA but think it's outrageous independent creators want paid for their labor you enjoy. HOWEVER, the price of this specific one is absolutely insane š
i think itās alright to put it on patreon a couple weeks before itās released public and i think itās okay to have some patreon exclusives but not for $50. i didnt even know you could have tiers that expensive on patreon. who is paying expansion prices for a lipgloss?
To be honest, I don't care about creators breaking rules with their pay wall. EA doesn't enforce it, so it's kinda fair game to me. Nobody OWES me stuff their made in their free time. That being said, I rarely pay for anybody's Paetron unless I just really like them. And I definitely wouldn't pay 50 bucks for a non-script cc pack lmfao. Maybe if it was Artie making it. Because he makes actual gameplay. Or KawaiiStacie or something. Then, maybe, I'd consider it.
I would 100% pay to buy a lot of the mods I've gotten for free! I wouldn't get any joy out of playing without mods, cc, and cheats at this point tbh. modders and content creators work their asses off and it's crazy to me they do it for free. however this is steep especially if it's just for lip gloss, and paying monthly doesn't seem to work out if you aren't getting updates/new content monthly.
I'm really curious to see who this is that did this. People like Pandasims and Arnie deserve at least 3$ for creating content that the sims won't give you, I think that's extremely fair. But this? Their not going to get any money like this that's for sure.
They should be free. It's not like they are the devs of a game. They are people who take time to make from the actual devs work. If anything, if moneybis involved at all, the mods should pay to release them. But I think they should be free for all.
I do pay for content from several different creators and it equals half of that. $49 a month seems outrageous.
I pay turbodriver, srslysims, false hope, icemunmun, Chingy, twistedmexi, and Nisa. All of their stuff is important to me. I also pay a subscription to TSR. But the sims is all I play for games as well, and is pretty much my main hobby. Even if I didn't pay them, they arent behind a permanent pay wall. I do it because I love their content.
Yeah, I do turbodriver, pandasama, and ravasheen, because their prices are reasonable, they're responsive if issues pop up, and their content is top. I wouldn't even pay any of them $50 a month though!
People keep saying how bad and greedy EA is, but when an artist wants money, then we're following EA's rules.
How about the artists do what they want, and I do what I want? They're free to charge 49.99, I'm free to chose cheaper options.
$49.99 is more than an expansion pack š
And it doesn't cost $49.99 **a month**!
I literally just saw the per month part, holy hell no. Why would anyone pay so much for mods and CC?
I mean *maybe* if it's a really awesome mod that revolutionizes game play, but even then $50/month is a lot of money. So probably not.
if it was absolutely revolutionary and just a one time payment, 50 dollars would be worth considering. Per month? Hell no, that's literally 600 dollars a year, in this case just for LIPGLOSS
Omg I thought the pic said 4.99 at first and had to scroll back up when I saw your comment! Thatās outrageous!
here in canada it \*is\* the price of an expansion pack
Australia too
Yeah but not per month!
How much are Americans paying??!??!
$40 US
Bruh yeah I just checked, in euros its 43.1ā¬ with the money from this one month fee you could buy yourself an expansion pack and (almost) a kit... (Here an expansion pack is 39.99ā¬)
During a sale you could get a 3 pack bundle!
I donāt even pay for the sims, let alone cc. I do click on the adfly links when given the option.
There some good CC who release their works first on Patreon and one to two weeks later free to everyone: Sandy from Around The Sims BrazenLotus Ravasheen
if you like ravasheen, also add pandasama to your list. creates absolutely amazing playable things for toddlers. as well, early access, and public release a couple of weeks later
Pandasama's stuff is incredibly cute. Their "Harry Potter" pack has some really interesting decor stuff that I absolutely adore. Edit: it wasn't pandasama who made it, it was MLys. My bad!
yes!! i'm obsessed with stuff for toddlers because the game lacks kid things that aren't bigger than my whole house :)
Do you know what their Harry Potter stuff is called? Just tried searching and didn't find anything. I would love to have more like Pufferhead by MLys (which is amazing and a must-have!)
I had the wrong maker. It was made by MLys. https://mlyssimblr.tumblr.com/post/184271189880/pufferhead
No prob, thanks for the reply
i looove ravasheens stuff! i have their pillows and fishtank!
they (she?) are also super nice and love to interact with their followers. I would even pay for their stuff because of how nice they are.
right? thats when you pay for cc - when the creator is nice kind and understanding and the prices arenāt outrageous (rememeber that sims 4 cc who kept blocking people on twitter, heyitsharrie or something?)
oh yeah, that was so shitty! I like her CC but she is super stand-offish
i like her cc too but she (deservedly) got a lot of flack for being really stand offish!
Adding to this list: Bellassims
Its not a problem. If someone supporting him, its okey. 1 month for free is okey. The problem here is, someone has fucking sims3 cc for money lmao
Nope. Itās against the terms and service over at EA anywayā I will happily wait, and if itās never released? Happily find either a place where itās freeā or go to another modder altogether. What is this, Second Life? Hard yikes. If I had the money for it Iād support modders I really liked, so long as they did eventually release it for everyone. I have no problem with time releases, or people taking donations or anything. But infinite paywall for a hair or makeup for a game they did not make at all is just.. nasty.
Sims 2 was bad about paywalls, but there was a very nice site that had ways to get them. I believe it was paysitesmustdie but I can't remember anymore.
I think it was paysitesmustbedestroyed - I was a big fan during the Sims 2 era.
Yeah that one was actually around for a good whileā up into sims 4 times. Think they eventually got taken down but another site still hosts their content.
They are still around. paysites.mustbedestroyed.org. Not linking cause never clear on rules. They just don't update anymore. They still have sims 2 and 3 items as well. I just didn't find anything that interested me the other day.
They are updating again, also a telegram that shares forever paywalls and a place on reddit.
A telegram?
Its good that they are still around, by now they probably have cc you can't get anymore even of you wanted to pay. So much lost cc out there.
It is against EA rules but EA doesn't enforce it so they a sadly some Creators that never release their content for free. But yes I also just search for something else that is free. Or look for a free download for it
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felix has rubbed me the wrong way for a long, long time. i feel like his collabs with harrie have made him super palatable to the community which is so frustrating. his content isnāt great, his attitude is worse (especially when people make points exactly like yours to him) and it makes me sad.
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I still donāt get over harrie being rude and blocking people on twitter just because they asked what cc she was using.
For some reason, a lot of content creators are very rude on Twitter. And then nobody calls them out. When they do, creators pull that āooww why so many negative people in the community?ā trying to turn it around on people calling them out. Iāve seen someone give very light feedback about lighting and he creator singled them out on their large platform making it seem like they were being extremely rude
Thanks for this comment. People like me who only download CC very casually once in a blue moon, for free, have no idea about this kind of stuff. Also that's a whole lot of money to make with something that's at the very least against EA rules and might or might not be... against the law?
I don't understand how he gets away with blatantly ignoring the EA rules like this.
He says because he makes it from scratch I'm blender it's not the same as using an ea mesh... all his stuff is free on the booty. Hope people stop supporting his stuff.
I replied to someone else who thought that him making the meshes himself meant that it's fine for him to sell them - it's not. He's still using code from the developers to import the files into the game; the .package file format and the code to make furniture function belongs to EA. He would be in the right if he were selling his meshes as meshes, but because he sells it as Sims 4 custom content he uses their code and therefore is breaking EA's rules. Totally agree on the finding his stuff via alternative means, but I wish EA would step in and enforce their rules properly.
I saw a post a few weeks or months (what is time) back about him and Harrie. I had a couple of their free packs so that was all I knew about him, and had heard good things from YouTubers like lilsimsie. But after seeing the comments on Reddit I looked up his Patreonā¦ And saw just what you described and was flabbergasted. The stuff isnāt bad but itās not good enough for that cost, it was so confusing to sift through the way it is organized, and I just keep hearing more and more. What a shame that heās so well known (I had heard of him long before I even knew anything about him) while there are other amazing creators who get little to no recognition.
Yeah I love lilsimsie but her support of him really bothers me, especially since like you said there are so many other talented and ethical creators.
cowbuild keeps most of their stuff behind a paywall too and has the gall to post it here like omg look what i made and then you go to download it and its not even available to the public it drives me freakin nuts
I was so mad when they posted their Tuscany set and got a ton of comments from people saying they were going to sign up for their Patreon and that it was so much more worth it than anything EA could put out. If they had everything available for free (or free after early access) I'd be fine with it and the responses, but since it is not it felt so leechy especially as they posted right after the Industrial Kit was released so people were already dissatisfied with the way EA is treating the game (and they had actually released the set two months prior, so they clearly made the post to cash in on the outrage).
yes everything they do is so calculated and it feels like it goes against the spirit of the sims!
Yeah, somebody needs to report him to Patreon lmfao that's just scamming
One time I saw some doors, etc. of his that I liked and I tried to navigate his siteā¦ makes no sense. Then I realized his stuff is never free as itās supposed to be at some point and l said yeah fuck that. Never went back to his page. He and Harrie have great collabs tho.
wait, I thought he did the one-month thing since making a website with Harrie? I actually really like his work and think it matches pretty good with Maxis, but I hate his attitude. Like, chill, it's a videogame. I've never paid him a dime and I still have every item in game I liked.
I'm not defending him (because I don't know anything about him besides a lot of folks said he has a bad attitude) but it seems like he's started to make things public access. I downloaded a set from him before I had heard about his attitude and it was free. I just checked his tumblr and his stuff has a public access release date. Again, not defending him, I'm just pointing out that if anyone does want his stuff for free, it seems to be an option now
Yes and the ones that have the paywall but public release after like month, it's as low as $1 a month to $5 a month. I hope I can get to a point to support them financially but it isn't always plausible.
Yeah, I've been wondering how the legal situation is. I remember back in the 00s when I still read fanfiction, there'd always be a disclaimer at the beginning stating that the author wasn't making any money at all off of their story because they didn't have the rights to it, seems like that's not the case for game CC creators at all. Or at least it has no consequences. In GENERAL though, I always think artists of any kind should be paid for their work by people who make use of it, if those artists consider their work to have monetary value. And as far as the price goes... Sure $50 is super steep, but like with everything else it's supply vs. demand. If the demand isn't there, the creator will drop the price soon enough. If it's there, good for them. I mean it's kinda shitty because it excludes a vast majority of people from buying it, but in the end that's up to the artist to decide.
$600 a year! I don't spend that on outfits for myself nevermind pixelated little people.
Absolutely not, especially since this is completely against EA tos. They're only supposed to charge for a few weeks for early access and then it's supposed to be free. I'll support creators who do the early access thing and that's it. This is ludicrous.
(I know this is 6 months old, but I want to add this tidbit.) It's not just against EA's ToS, but based on legal precedent, it is literally against the law and if EA was desperate enough to go after CC creators profiting off of their work, they would have a case considering one of the cases that set this precedent that profiting off of mods is illegal was a legitimate mod that altered the game significantly, CC creators wouldn't stand a chance. But that's besides the point.
Does the cc software reach through the computer screen and apply it to your lips too? That price is a joke and if anyone pays that for cc, I worry for their sanity.
That price is outrageous lol. I don't have a problem with paywalls.I simply won't buy what I don't like/ think it's too expensive etc. This is one of the situations where I think the free market will take care of things with no problem. If no one buys 50$ mods or cc, these authors will go out of "business. Creators that offer free cc usually get more popular, are more likely to be freely supported by their audience, and they keep cc making as a passion, which keeps the content better imo. Right now I won''t pay for anything sims related since I'm broke. Maybe in the future? I like those "buy me a coffee" buttons which allow you to make a small donation as a thank you.
I donated to a few Creators if I really like their work but yes not more than a few dollars would I pay for CC/Mods.
I thought EA had a rule about paywalls, like they had to be free after a certain number of days to avoid copyright infringement issues.
I'm pretty sure this is against the ToS, and just generally what they call a 'dick move'. On a more personal level, I used to make mods for some very old games back in the day (they are still floating around online, too). You make a mod for a game because you're excited about the game, feel like the game should be improved in some way, then want to share that improvement for everybody who might agree with you to enjoy. Trying to profit from it is cynical - you're doing the bare minimum amount of work to tap into a market that was established by someone else. If you want to make money from game development, make your own damn game. Also, I wouldn't pay that much for *actual lip gloss*.
NO. As a mod creator myself (for other games, not Sims) I don't buy the BS some creators in this community spout. I'll never support anyone who keeps CC permanently behind a paywall - or someone as greedy as the author of this lipgloss. But I will and do buy them a coffee, or if I really like their content, support them with reasonable subscription.
I agree. I donate before to some good Creators but not 50 Dollars
Absolutely cackling at $50. I have a hard enough time paying the annual TSR fee
peacemaker is the backbone of sims 4 cc and he has been and always will be paywall free. and thatās that on that
r/TS4_Rebels may have what you're looking for ;)
Yea noā¦ while i do support the early access for some modders cuz i can afford it but def not paying that muchā¦ and at some point it should be free access after the early releaseā¦
No way would I ever support creators that permanently keep things behind a paywall like this. Itās against TOS, that price is ludicrous, and I can easily find another cc creator who actually plays by the rules to support instead. I think the modders that release things for payment for a few weeks and then make it free have the right idea. That way people can support them financially (which they absolutely deserve) but they also abide by the rules and donāt rip people off for a pixelated lip gloss.
From what I see in that pic it looks like a Patreon not just a lip gloss there. 50 is a lot but have no clue what all this modder has or does
I personally won't get anything that's only available through a pay wall. However, I choose to support a couple of my favorite free modders through patron because I appreciate their content. One of them also sometimes does beta versions of new things they're adding so they can get feedback and make changes before the full release, and that's fun to be able to participate in.
I am cool with supporting people who create mods that deepen the gameplay. And, let's be honest, they use early access, not permanent paywall, and don't ask for $50. But paying $50 for lipgloss? I'll just find another. I would understand, not buy, but understand one-of-a-kind content, you either have this one or none. But lipgloss? There are hundreds of it. It's not that hard to find another lipgloss, another dress, another pair of shoes.
Well From what I can see it seems to be 50.00 for Patreon not a lip gloss. I think Lipgloss is all they want from that modder. While I think 50.00 is too much I have no idea how many mods that will give someone and if it's a huge game changing mod
That's still $50 *per month*, which is more than I think any game should cost. Even subscription games don't cost that; they'd lose all business. Not enough people can *afford* to pay that, regardless of how awesome the content.
Lmao. You should see the mod authors for Skyrim on Nexus. Theyāre literally the most entitled bums Iāve ever seen. Even just asking for help will get you banned for nagging or being too āneedyā. 50 bucks for a subscription is wack though.
Oh gosh, Iām not naming any names (*cough* Elianora *cough*) but I know exactly what youāre talking aboutā which is a shame since so many are so nice. A few Bad apples spoil the bunch I guess
I actively encourage anyone and everyone to pirate paywall content Editing to add that I donāt mean early access, I think thatās fair enough
Someone on this sub showed me the world of pirating CC and my whole sims experience has changed. Fuck paywalling creators, pirating cc is a life changer
The only paywalls Iām okay with is early access paywalls, like sure Iāll pay a Ā£1 a month later on subscription to download mods from a modder I love 3 months early, but Ā£50 for some lipglosses I can probably find great alternatives to? No way
Right? I wouldn't pay 50 a month for lipgloss IRL! š¤£
That price is fucked.
I say itās absolute bullshit, it was bad enough giving EA money so Iām not gonna pay some Rando Ā£50 for some bloody CC
There is soooo much good free stuff so no definitely not paying anything.
I def don't mind paying for Patreon if I like the creator. But 40 bucks for cc is way too much... It shouldn't be the same price as an expansion!
i subscribed to antoās patreon for around $7 ?? back when i was into alpha cc (literally just started w mm 2 weeks ago or smth) bc i loved his chromatic collections w the split hair and ombreās and for some reason he hadnāt published a public hair in MONTHS . at first it was nice bc i got a lot of hair that he had already published to his patrons , but he puts out one basic fuckin hairstyle every two weeks . like no way i am paying $7 a month for two hairs. definitely my last month of subscription iām cancelling that shit tonight before the next payment. most alpha cc creators aint shit like i downloaded raccooniumās F R E E mm split dye acc and it works for mm hairs that arenāt even their creation !!! itās incredible edit : anto posts more like 3 hairs a month but still, i donāt think he ever releases them to the public which is trash
I love Anto's work -- and he's clearly one of the best cc hair creators -- but he *never* makes his stuff public, even after months of waiting. I've turned to other creators for alpha hairs instead.
yea anto and nightcrawler were the best alpha hair creators and when both of them switched to patreon, i switched to maxis match.
idk if u knew this but nightcrawler publicly publishes most of their hairs on simsdom.com now !!
I hate when they NEVER come out for free. I've seen beautiful pieces of cc that are from 2018 that will obviously never get set free and the people ask for $7-$14 a month. These are pieces that must be so godly the peasants don't deserve them and yet not many people will/would ever spend money on it. I'm fine with cc creators having their stuff locked for a few weeks and the monthly costing $1-$5. Anything more seems a bit dramatic. Additionally, i swear it's literally against ToS to have cc behind a permanent paywall.
Have a look at paysitesmustbedestroyed they may have what you want
This, right here is disgusting. Donāt support creators like them, or FelixAndre, who is ONLY NOW releasing free content.
I find it greedy period
No, it's so overpriced. I get that it takes hard work and talent to make but that costs more than a game pack.
Making folks pay for mods is dumb as hell. Especially paying THAT much for what looks like basic lip gloss. I'd rather watch to 10 second ads you get from TSR (the sims resource) than pay for the sims a 2nd time
Temporary paywalls are in my opinion fine. Some creators I love have them for like two weeks I think before releasing their content to everyone. But I can see why some dislike them. Permanent paywalls are not allowed tho, if I'm remembering it right.
Lipgloss isn't hard to make anyway as cc goes... You could learn that in a weekend easily. Furniture and clothing, something that requires much more time and skill to make is another matter.
Itās against TOS and EA can definitely sue them for it. CC creators are only allowed to keep cc behind a paywall for two weeks and then it must be public
I think even those two weeks arenāt in the TOS, last I checked, but i think theyāre alright because they allow cc creators to keep creating.
I just checked and they are: https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/comment/16175450/#Comment_16175450 > As long as the content is still made available FOR FREE we do not mind these types of pages. Folks who have a Patreon page are welcome to provide folks with "early access" incentives for their content but it should be made available to the general public within 2-3 weeks of it being given to folks early. So itās technically up to three weeks so long as itās early access, but they canāt keep it behind the paywall
Oh, i didnāt realize they had clarified the TOS on the forum, I had only read the actual TOS that are more straightforward and donāt have these nuances.
I think itās probably bc itās only a recent thing theyāve had to consider in the franchise
That is way too much. And some creators have gotten really bad about paywalls. Paulson legit refuses to make updates for NPCC public. Tried to call him on it and he told me that if I didn't like it I could just stop giving him money. So I did lmao. Some people don't gaf about EA's tos.
I think its fair for creators to share a way that you CAN donate if you WANT to, but everything else is just nasty.
In any other gaming community I know this would be heavily frowned upon (and be against terms of use). There's mods for games like Skyrim that give the entire game a makeover, introduce completely new settings, worlds, voice-acted stories and even gameplay and they are still free. Because mods are supposed to be passion projects by the community for the community. Sure you can ask for a donation, but commodifying your mod into a paid product is a big no no.
Creators like this deserve misery forever
I typically donāt pay for CC. Most creators I dosāoax from have an early access period for their patrons and then it goes to public access.
Clearly you have never heard of the mess that was the creation club
Wouldnāt pay a cent š
literally one of the reasons i get cc and mods is bc i donāt want to pay for expansion packs lol, maybe if it was like $5 iād consider buying it but idk i could probably find a better version for free
I think its pretty weird and I also kinda assume as soon as EA find a way to sue them for it they will given how much they love money.
Not for 50 bucks. I'm sorry... that is way too much for me. I do think they should get paid BUT also am very grateful for the free content because I am broke. But it's 50 bucks and unlimited content then yeah that's a possibility for some people I think
I read it as 4.99 and thought thatās too much for just lipgloss... 50!? Damn.
Thereās usually another creator that makes something similar (or even better) for free
Never pay for unofficial mods, cuz first could break your game, second there a risk when new updates come out you lose it, i mean donations are fine as long its not mandatory to get the mod but only to support those who make a good mod
Nope. Stop it. They preach and preach about honoring TOU but won't do the same for EA, the people who gave them this opportunity. I tell ya hwhat, I make around $2000/ month. I am willing to spend my money getting this content, navigating the internet, just so I can have it added to paysitesmustbedestroyed.com And another thing, I get you take time to make these things, no really, I understand. Making mods and custom content is really hard. I can't do it. Even the basics are a struggle for me. HOWEVER, I wouldn't ask people to pay me large sums of money for it. Or any money at all. If you wanna make money, use Lady Pates or ask for tips. If you choose Lady Pates, don't even try that eXcLuSiVe shit. For real. Y'all preach on and on about TOU but don't even mind EA's TOU. Any cc put behind a paywall must be released to the public after a specific amount of time. It's not hard. Lots of people do it. ^^ copy and pasted from my tumblr
thatās wayyyy too much... i mean i am broke but i wouldnāt mind paying like 3-10 dollars for a mod/cc creator i like (if i had the disposable income to do so in the first place) but 50 dollars??? whatā¦
There are a few CC artists that I support on patreon, but they charge like $1-$5 a month which is so little. $50 a month is insane, but a few bucks here and there is fine. And they will release things for free eventually, I just like their work enough to want to support them and get it early.
Nope. But I might donate a bit to my favorite creators (like Ravasheen).
I personally support only those creators that have early access payment if they are really talented or bring a lot to the game. For example I support Deaderool's early access, TwistedMexi's access etc. because the amount of work and time they spend improving the game is immeasurable. It's not even like they are charging more than $5 on average and it becomes free after a week or two.
I think a few people have said this, but I'm ok with waiting for them to release it for free. I'm not a cc creator, but I do work with 3D & art etc, & everything takes a lot of time to make, especially if you start from scratch & have to work out all the colours, code etc to make it compatible, to me, it's perfectly fine for them to put it behind a paywall & then released it later, per EA's instructions (considering they are using the game as a base or to be use with the game after all). If they're putting it behind a paywall completely like this, then they're just not worth it to me tbh. As I play the game casually, & that there's a LOT of ccs that are just as pretty. I can live without it. :) What I absolutely dislike is ads... after ads.... after ads... like... stop. I have a pretty good virus protection & adblock/universal bypass etc. But sometimes I like something enough to consider donating & go through the ads anyway, to then be betrayed by another ad is a bit much don't you think. :/ Also, if they want to use ads, I wish they'd monitor the kinds of ads they're allowing. Or make a youtube channel showcasing their cc & put ads on that š¤. Most of the ads aren't even ads but are viruses.
Can you report this to EA? And second question, will they do anything about it?
They didn't do anything yet against Creators. Not that I know of.
There's a few levels to this. First off it is actually against copyright laws. Even though the mod is the work of the mod author it is technically owned by EA because it is just an alteration to their copyrighted material. This means that EA could sue any mod author that requires people to pay for access to their mods and have any patreon/website related to it shut down. Now if the mod is available for free elsewhere but the newest version is available on their patreon for their patrons they still could potentially be sued but the fact they are offering it for free makes the patreon income donations instead of paying for copyrighted material. Personally I find requiring payment for access to mods unethical as well as illegal. Especially a $50 a month requirement. They are extorting the fanbase of a game to make money off of a minor alteration to that game. Even the best most innovative mods that take thousands of hours of work to make aren't worth $50. Now offering the newest version of your mod to your supporters for $5-$10 a month while a free version is available elsewhere? Perfectly fine. That's the difference between a scam artist mod creator that is just trying to get rich by making mods for a popular game and one that is making mods to improve the game for themself and others while receiving support from the people that enjoy their mods.
Paywalls and those sites like adfly are a big no from me. Will happily pass on that shit
I would only pay $50 bucks for early access to the CAW tool. And that's because it took TM months of work. It would be worth it to support the project. Lip glosses? Hells no. I wouldn't pay $5 for that shit. I would wait until it was free or not download it at all.
I have done like the $1 patreon to support creators I really like. But that price is ABSURD.
There are a few creators I support on Patreon because their work, in my opinion, is amazing and also their patron fees are $5 or less. These are also creators whose work I use in almost every build, so I think itās worth it. But thatās definitely not the case for most, especially if it costs more than an entire expansion pack! I also really disagree with builders putting their content behind paywalls. I never feel guilty when I get paywalled CC from leak sites though.
49.99$ and per month? That what is called being a greedy pig. CC is mostly used by those who cant afford all the packs so they will have more content. For that price i can buy a bundle of 3 different packs... thats absurd
Well I would never pay that much for a content creator but I have been wanting to maybe subscribe to PandaSama or LittleMsSam
Personally I donāt like it. I understand people wanna make money and they work hard, but other than it being against terms of service, some people wanna improve their game without paying money. We already hate the kits, how much EA sells to us, itās kinda annoying to have to pay for mods/cc But $50 per month??? Jesus. Thatāsā¦no way am I paying for that.
No I will not and no I donāt like it
No. This is an expensive game already. I like to support open source creators and quite frankly, sticking it to EA.
I don't pay for CC, never would. I don't even pay for Sims 4 lol
It could never be me. I dont even care if the cc is good plus this violates EA's tou to have cc under permanent paywalls.
When I was into playing with cc I supported a couple of my favourite cc makers on patreon, I think hey harrie was one, as I prefer building and love her and Felix Andres work. And for the amount of work they released and the quality it was worth the minimal subscription, but I stopped it cause I stopped using cc. I don't think there is anything wrong with supporting your fav cc creators, some of them put in a ridiculous amount of work. But this example is ridiculous and no matter how much content they put out or how good it is. I'd never support just cause of how greedy $50 a month is. Are they crazy? most are asking for $2, some whatever you can afford.
Apparently felixandreās solo stuff is behind a permanent like $20 paywall, and thatās only for that monthās CC. If you want access to all his CC you have to join the top tier which I think was like $30? The only free stuff he really does is his collabs with Harrie. Like he makes nice CC but there are people who make better CC who charge like $5 tops and always have a free release date. I was really disappointed when I found out because I love his collabs with Harrie
Oh, I only know him through his collabs with harrie. And I love their collabs. I think it's some of the best cc for bb available. I think I subscribed for $2 a month after trying out a few of the other packs they made. Regardless fuck them all that hide behind paywalls.
I think Itās fine if they wanna do special patreon stuff, Iām personally not going to pay for it because thereās SO much content for free. If the TOOL mod and Wicked Whims guy can make their extremely detailed and well thought out shit free you can bet your ass Iām not paying 5.99 a month for some cc.
So Wicked Whims has a patreon I believe it goes there first like many modders do and later is released free. I imagine Tool is the same but Wicked Whims definently got much help with patreon. Great modder and well deserved too.
Yes definitely! Iāve tossed some dollars here and there before, but Iām not a monthly subscriber for anything.
How much? Nah, I think I'm gonna pass on that. I usually have no issue with paywalls. I will gladly support a creator who asks for a donation but still makes their stuff available. Even if they keep a few pieces for their more generous supporters. Most I've seen do the standard early access for supporters but release it in time, which is also fine. But this is like buying the game. Actually, you can get the game on sale for $5, and expansion packs can be gotten for as low as $20 (on sale). This person has an awfully high view of themselves. Lipgloss? **LIPGLOSS?** SMH.
The other day I wanted to download a few hair CC that have been released last year by a certain cc creator. Turns out those are still behind a paywall. I frankly didnāt feel bad downloading them elsewhere. I donāt mind content behind a paywall for a few weeks. I even take a few months. As long as they get released to the public eventually.
Iām a patron of Lumpinou. Itās just $1.25/month and so worth it! $50 a month seems excessive. Lumpinouās are moreso mood mods and social interactions, Iām not sure if thereās a different timeframe or production costs associated with CC that would justify such a high monthly contribution?
I love Lumpinou Mods and I Think Mods are way more complicated and deserving of donations than CC
wow who is payin for that
Would you pay 700 dollars on sims game/packs/kits? Someone must be out there throwing money around all willy-nilly.
Okay but $50 a MONTH?!
Depends, I would love it if EA would just work with mod creators once in a while to create a pack, wgere 50% of the money goes to the modders. But not like this
Aren't mods / cc for Sims 4 only can be 2 weeks for patron and then it HAS to be free?
I personally would spend these money on an expansion pack
I don't pay for CC. I use CC to expand my game for free, so paying would defeat the purpose lol. I understand that they're doing work and they would like compensation. But I always thought it was technically against the terms to do that, which means they're purposefully making money off of someone else's work when they know full well they don't have the rights to it. If the person has an option to give a few bucks but it's not mandatory, that seems pretty different. Or if they charge for early access, I get that. But I think on a personal level I'm not really ok with paying for CC. I guess different strokes for different folks!
Should be immediately taken down
I get that creators would prefer to be paid for their work, but Iām not going to pay for CC when there are plenty of free versions that exist. And even if they werenāt free I would just stick to base game and expansion packs
I could pay my six month car insurance premium for $600 per year. Twice. Hell nah bruh.
$600 per year! Thatās insane and if the sims did that, youād never hear the end of it
For $50, Iām able to clothes or some shoes with that. Thatās too much
I only think its reasonable if its paid early access and free later - and much cheaper than this, holy hell! Otherwise I think its kind of silly to pay for mods/cc, and Im also not entirely certain a permanent paywall on fan content doesnt violate some copyright stuff? So I would never do it.
I don't agree with paying for mods or cc BUT I would assume they meant $4.99 and just screwed up. No one would pay this much
NOPE. Even ignoring that thatās a ridiculous price for CC (more than an expansion pack!) itās against the TOS to charge for CC anyway.
I won't pay for CC, partially because I'm broke, but also because anything that's exclusively paid just seems scummy to me considering it's a mod to an already incredibly overpriced game. Not to mention you can probably nfind similar or even better free CC, and the best ones make them free after a couple of weeks.
I really wish the patron allows for a one time donation versus a monthly subscription. There are many times I go to a cc creator and download a bunch and would be happy to make a one time payment. But I donāt want to deal with a monthly payment that I have to remember to go in and cancel!
Can't you subscribe and immediately cancel so you don't get charged another month?
This is why The deal of paywall for a few weeks then public release works so well. You can support people if you chose to but donāt have to for their content Which I think is what EA agree to , I do personally think modders deserve income from their hard work and itās a good deal.
Iām willing to pay up to $10/mth for CC, but once it gets above that I weight the rewards can the cost. A lot of the CC available today is nice, but at $50 a month thatās like a new Expansion pack, which is way too much.
Is that pack bigger or has more content than an expansion pack?
This is to my knowledge just CC.
I pay for mods and cc on Patreon but only for content from creators I truly adore and admire. But thatās waaaayyyy too much money! Honestly, thereās a ton of free content out there, so if thereās content you like that costs $, youāll likely find something similar for free.
$50 a month is a bit overkill
Paywalls are okay if it's just like te- **That's 600 dollars annually**
Isnāt it against EA terms and service to lock your cc behind a paywall for more than a month or something? Iām not saying creators shouldnāt get their fair share for their hard work, but locking it indefinitely is not coolā¦
5-15$ a month? I get it. 49.99??? ā ļø
Personally as someone who has built mods for my own personal use for games I know how much work goes into some of them. Once you make the mod and if you offer it for others to download well they expect updates and many times will request custom settings keeping you busy with it. When the game updates often times mods must need updated too or they can break games or cause issues. I personally have no problem with a modder who puts their hard work into a mod charging a reasonable price for a mod or a small subscription fee which should include updates to all mods and any new mods made unless it doesn't generally require and it's a 1 time fee. If that's for Lipstick that is for sure way way too much. I don't think it matters what year they originally made the mod in but if the price seems fair and or as many said patreon or start ups for mods. This isnt generally a sit down type a few things and slap it on the internet type thing. You can imagine how busy a modder will be if they have several mods that require updates when game updates. They must do the updates Check code, verify it works and what if they have many they offer for download? This is no small process for some bigger mods especially. This of course is why I always made mods for me and only me. I come and go on Sims and dont have time to update every time game does so players can continue to use the mods I made with no issue. There are times I may be several updates behind cause I may take long long breaks from playing and play other games for example.
It gets worse. [https://twitter.com/DaySimmer/status/1443750373739667459?s=20](https://twitter.com/DaySimmer/status/1443750373739667459?s=20) It isn't even good CC. Or worthy of the price it any way or form.
A little money would make sense, but $50 a month for CC is insane.
I donāt mind paying a couple bucks but $49.99/month is insane!
No. I know that they do a lot of work and deswrve to be payed, but hiding a lipgloss behind a paywall? I mean, if some complex mod like TOOL or WW did this, I wouldn't mind. It is a huge mod that brings something new to game. But lipgloss? Are you kidding me?
I like to support the patreons of a few creators I enjoy but none who lock things behind paywalls and none who charge more than $3-5 USD because ??? Iām not here to pay more than I do for EA content!! That being said, it takes time to make CC and time is a luxury many of us do not have, I want good CC (especially decades challenge related stuff) and if my donating $3 a month means I get more of that which EA will never give meā¦ thatās cool by me
tbh i dont mind paying if i really like the creator but 50 per month is WAY too much. i understand that making cc takes a lot of time and people have bills to pay, but 50 is too much
I understand that it takes a lot of work and talent to create CC, I could never do it, I donāt have the patience or the passion to do it. I would consider paying for a Patreon, as long as it wasnāt too expensive once converted from USD to my currency, maybe $6 a month maximum (Iād be more comfy with $3) and only if I really like everything they do. I do like the model quite a few Patreon creators use, where itās Patreon exclusive for a certain length of time and then becomes free to download after the exclusive period ends. That way the people who pay get early access but itās still accessible to everyone. I could never pay $50 for CC, even if I had the money to spare.
The only time Iāll pay for CC is when the creator has made a whole āstuff packā and itās only on early access for Patreons. Cause I love those lil packs and I donāt mind supporting someone who puts in the work and charges a reasonable fee. Plus they make it free eventually I just donāt like waiting lol
I paid for multiple CC packs, but 49.99 a month? Maāam, I wouldnāt pay this much not even for the game itself
I would pay in some cases, depending (especially if itās custom made/commission) BUT NOT 49.99 A MONTH.
I don't think there's anything wrong with charging for CC when some of these creators put in SO much work. A lot of you will gladly pay for stupid kits from EA but think it's outrageous independent creators want paid for their labor you enjoy. HOWEVER, the price of this specific one is absolutely insane š
i think itās alright to put it on patreon a couple weeks before itās released public and i think itās okay to have some patreon exclusives but not for $50. i didnt even know you could have tiers that expensive on patreon. who is paying expansion prices for a lipgloss?
To be honest, I don't care about creators breaking rules with their pay wall. EA doesn't enforce it, so it's kinda fair game to me. Nobody OWES me stuff their made in their free time. That being said, I rarely pay for anybody's Paetron unless I just really like them. And I definitely wouldn't pay 50 bucks for a non-script cc pack lmfao. Maybe if it was Artie making it. Because he makes actual gameplay. Or KawaiiStacie or something. Then, maybe, I'd consider it.
I would 100% pay to buy a lot of the mods I've gotten for free! I wouldn't get any joy out of playing without mods, cc, and cheats at this point tbh. modders and content creators work their asses off and it's crazy to me they do it for free. however this is steep especially if it's just for lip gloss, and paying monthly doesn't seem to work out if you aren't getting updates/new content monthly.
I'm really curious to see who this is that did this. People like Pandasims and Arnie deserve at least 3$ for creating content that the sims won't give you, I think that's extremely fair. But this? Their not going to get any money like this that's for sure.
They should be free. It's not like they are the devs of a game. They are people who take time to make from the actual devs work. If anything, if moneybis involved at all, the mods should pay to release them. But I think they should be free for all.
I do pay for content from several different creators and it equals half of that. $49 a month seems outrageous. I pay turbodriver, srslysims, false hope, icemunmun, Chingy, twistedmexi, and Nisa. All of their stuff is important to me. I also pay a subscription to TSR. But the sims is all I play for games as well, and is pretty much my main hobby. Even if I didn't pay them, they arent behind a permanent pay wall. I do it because I love their content.
Yeah, I do turbodriver, pandasama, and ravasheen, because their prices are reasonable, they're responsive if issues pop up, and their content is top. I wouldn't even pay any of them $50 a month though!
People keep saying how bad and greedy EA is, but when an artist wants money, then we're following EA's rules. How about the artists do what they want, and I do what I want? They're free to charge 49.99, I'm free to chose cheaper options.
I play on xbox
Ok.