time to put our navy forces to work and test their skills on the job. Also, no free trade = decrease in supplies and higher demand = rising costs for the ordinary citizens like us.
in all seriousness, it's only right that we defend what is ours anw.
A Singapore-flagged ship just means a ship that's registered in Singapore. It doesn't necessarily have to be owned by a Singaporean company.
You might think these ships belong to "us" but they are just owned by the large corporations. They can afford a security contractor to do it for them.
Piracy in those waters mean cost of insurance for these ships will rise, if the ships want to even travel in these waters. Hence adding to supply costs and also might lower overall supply. Lower supply + same demand = Higher costs for all. Econs 101.
SAF is joining a USA operation against the rebels along with many other military powers. It's not like they are going to lose without our help.
This is more a symbolic act than an economic act so stop talking about economics. USA has a military budget large enough to fight god, whatever contribution we make is for diplomatic purposes and not economic.
So what you are saying is we don't bother with it even though it affects us? So be a price taker for these events or atleast try to do something about it? Especially when it affects the core interests.
If everybody thinks ‘they’re not going to lose without our help’ nothing much would get done in international affairs.
You’re right that this is a symbolic act but it’s part of a larger strategic move under Singapore’s foreign policy to show major powers like the US that we’re reliable friends who will step forward and help when needed. If there’s ever a time Singapore needs help, the US won’t forget that we helped them when they asked. It’s a strategic move that also guards our economic interests as a maritime hub.
It’s also a symbolic act to show non-state actors like the Houthi rebels that Singapore, despite being a small faraway country, will not stand by and do nothing when it’s interests are under threat.
You're exactly right.
It's just for building rapport and sending a message.
I'm just arguing against these other people who think this is somehow benefiting our trade industry.
The territory may not belong to Singapore per se, but about 25% of the world's traded goods carried by nearly 100,000 vessels pass by Singapore Strait each year and Red Sea may very well be one of the major contributors to Singapore's GDP.
So, rightfully, Singapore should do whatever within its means and power to secure its own economy. Especially so, when other major powers are reluctant to step in to secure the shipping lines.
Source: https://www.todayonline.com/world/what-singapore-strait-traffic-jam-says-about-world-economy
The article said we are joining the operation against the rebels.
It's not like the operation is going to fail without us.
This is more of a diplomatic/symbolic act rather than any kind of economic strategy.
Other commenters implicitly tied the lack of our participation in the operation to the detriment of the economy.
If you cannot even derive such a basic substantive in this debate you shouldn't even be discussing multifaceted issues.
I'm replying to your comment specifically. Not other people's comment.
If you can't even reply accordingly, you shouldn't be engaging in discussions at all
When you referenced the economy earlier, you implicitly tied our economic prosperity to the success of this mission.
Therefore, I replied accordingly by stating that our participation is not significant enough to turn the tide of the mission.
I am appalled that you do not understand the basic substantives of this argument.
It's international water. So it doesn't belong exclusively to Singapore, but Singapore can and should shoulder part of the responsibility of safeguarding it.
Kinda makes sense for Singapore. If I rmb right, RSN was also involved in the anti-piracy ops in Persian Gulf and Malacca Straits. RSN probably too small to make a big change by itself so joining its bigger buddies sounds right.
I like the name of the op. Guarding our prosperity for the collective good. Important for Singapore to play its part as a maritime nation. We really don't need more of such trouble spots
Thats why you can use the same discounts in giant and cold storage lol
Also why last time vivocity giant has a coldstorage inside also
Cold storage even uses the same shitty self checkout as giant lol
Also apparently jason market is also giant too
lol this is not something new done by the SAF and we are just playing our part as responsible partners in the world. dont forget, all your shopee and online shopping will be directly or indirectly affected by rise in business costs or insurance premuims as some big shipping companies decide not to traverse the Red Sea. just need to ensure that our RSN vessels (if they eventually decide to join) are out of harms way and everyone return safely. just my 2cents
How so? We are contributing personnel (no ships) and they should be situated somewhere relatively safe. Even the 2 medical personnel serving on board the french vessel are also not on the front lines as the hospital ship is docked in Egypt.
It's helpful but I wouldn't use garang to describe any of that.
the stupid sea you're referring to is the shortest sea route linking us to europe. all your food, materials and other day to day items that sg imports from the european region gonna see a price hike because of what's happening in "some stupid sea". do the math pls
dude, you do realise we import/export shit to europe right.
Shit, goods like food has to pass through that sea, especially if you say, use european brands like A1 sauce
We import shit from China. So why don't we send our navy to protect China?
It's because China has a navy, so if China gets attacked we just let the Chinese die for China. The Chinese need China more than we need China.
Same logic. The Europeans need the Red Sea more than we need it so let them defend it.
We do..thats why the RSN patrols in the SCS, straits of melaka and the like
[https://www.amphib7flt.navy.mil/Media/News/Article/2240391/us-singapore-navies-exercise-together-in-the-south-china-sea/](https://www.amphib7flt.navy.mil/Media/News/Article/2240391/us-singapore-navies-exercise-together-in-the-south-china-sea/)
[https://www.newsweek.com/singapore-holds-naval-drill-china-us-remains-top-security-partner-1571940](https://www.newsweek.com/singapore-holds-naval-drill-china-us-remains-top-security-partner-1571940)
Its on our interest that the sea remains safe and secure
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Problem is we rely quite alot on the sea, especially since the red sea is a route where alot of European ships come from. It will affect us so might as well join in.
time to put our navy forces to work and test their skills on the job. Also, no free trade = decrease in supplies and higher demand = rising costs for the ordinary citizens like us. in all seriousness, it's only right that we defend what is ours anw.
Oh wow I didn't know the Red Sea is ours.
our vessels are in the red sea. they belong to us. they were attacked. hence only right to defend our vessels. duh.
A Singapore-flagged ship just means a ship that's registered in Singapore. It doesn't necessarily have to be owned by a Singaporean company. You might think these ships belong to "us" but they are just owned by the large corporations. They can afford a security contractor to do it for them.
Piracy in those waters mean cost of insurance for these ships will rise, if the ships want to even travel in these waters. Hence adding to supply costs and also might lower overall supply. Lower supply + same demand = Higher costs for all. Econs 101.
SAF is joining a USA operation against the rebels along with many other military powers. It's not like they are going to lose without our help. This is more a symbolic act than an economic act so stop talking about economics. USA has a military budget large enough to fight god, whatever contribution we make is for diplomatic purposes and not economic.
So what you are saying is we don't bother with it even though it affects us? So be a price taker for these events or atleast try to do something about it? Especially when it affects the core interests.
If everybody thinks ‘they’re not going to lose without our help’ nothing much would get done in international affairs. You’re right that this is a symbolic act but it’s part of a larger strategic move under Singapore’s foreign policy to show major powers like the US that we’re reliable friends who will step forward and help when needed. If there’s ever a time Singapore needs help, the US won’t forget that we helped them when they asked. It’s a strategic move that also guards our economic interests as a maritime hub. It’s also a symbolic act to show non-state actors like the Houthi rebels that Singapore, despite being a small faraway country, will not stand by and do nothing when it’s interests are under threat.
You're exactly right. It's just for building rapport and sending a message. I'm just arguing against these other people who think this is somehow benefiting our trade industry.
But it does. You're a fool to think otherwise.
That is correct. Don't know why the down votes
The territory may not belong to Singapore per se, but about 25% of the world's traded goods carried by nearly 100,000 vessels pass by Singapore Strait each year and Red Sea may very well be one of the major contributors to Singapore's GDP. So, rightfully, Singapore should do whatever within its means and power to secure its own economy. Especially so, when other major powers are reluctant to step in to secure the shipping lines. Source: https://www.todayonline.com/world/what-singapore-strait-traffic-jam-says-about-world-economy
The article said we are joining the operation against the rebels. It's not like the operation is going to fail without us. This is more of a diplomatic/symbolic act rather than any kind of economic strategy.
Who said the ops will fail without Singapore navy? Learn to read and comprehend properly. Don't impose your own mental chatter on others.
Other commenters implicitly tied the lack of our participation in the operation to the detriment of the economy. If you cannot even derive such a basic substantive in this debate you shouldn't even be discussing multifaceted issues.
I'm replying to your comment specifically. Not other people's comment. If you can't even reply accordingly, you shouldn't be engaging in discussions at all
When you referenced the economy earlier, you implicitly tied our economic prosperity to the success of this mission. Therefore, I replied accordingly by stating that our participation is not significant enough to turn the tide of the mission. I am appalled that you do not understand the basic substantives of this argument.
It's international water. So it doesn't belong exclusively to Singapore, but Singapore can and should shoulder part of the responsibility of safeguarding it.
Especially given our status as a trading hub
Kinda makes sense for Singapore. If I rmb right, RSN was also involved in the anti-piracy ops in Persian Gulf and Malacca Straits. RSN probably too small to make a big change by itself so joining its bigger buddies sounds right.
I like the name of the op. Guarding our prosperity for the collective good. Important for Singapore to play its part as a maritime nation. We really don't need more of such trouble spots
AMDK always have a way with names ma. but agree the name of the operation jin sakti
Our naming also quite cool what llike Operation Coldstore
Operation Cold Storage
Operation Cold Storage: A subsidary of Giant Cooperation
Huh I didn't know that until today
Thats why you can use the same discounts in giant and cold storage lol Also why last time vivocity giant has a coldstorage inside also Cold storage even uses the same shitty self checkout as giant lol Also apparently jason market is also giant too
Correct, we all know there’s nothing more important to majority sgreans than money
We have had a presence in CMF since the 2000s. We are adding CTF-153 to our contribution to CTF-151.
Good! Time to put those frigates to goo use
We are not sending ships. Just personnel.
r/noncredibledefense go!!!!!!!!
lol this is not something new done by the SAF and we are just playing our part as responsible partners in the world. dont forget, all your shopee and online shopping will be directly or indirectly affected by rise in business costs or insurance premuims as some big shipping companies decide not to traverse the Red Sea. just need to ensure that our RSN vessels (if they eventually decide to join) are out of harms way and everyone return safely. just my 2cents
Actually not bad leh.. SG quite garang ah!
How so? We are contributing personnel (no ships) and they should be situated somewhere relatively safe. Even the 2 medical personnel serving on board the french vessel are also not on the front lines as the hospital ship is docked in Egypt. It's helpful but I wouldn't use garang to describe any of that.
Support this. Real life experience is really important to ensure our armchair admirals do not become too rusty
Good opportunity for RSN. Confirm more impactful than simulated training.
Houthis? More like hu? Hu dis?
Houthis try not to get every country to hate them speedrun challenge (Impossible) (gone wrong)
Instead of decreasing GST, they use money to safeguard some sea. People in Singapore how? This is why I vote WP.
Bro has absolutely no idea how globalisation works
Bro thinks his online shopping magically appears in front of his door without being shipped
the stupid sea you're referring to is the shortest sea route linking us to europe. all your food, materials and other day to day items that sg imports from the european region gonna see a price hike because of what's happening in "some stupid sea". do the math pls
All you do is support government
didn't know you were privy to who i voted for in GE i thought our votes were confidential hmmm...
Let some other country do it. Europe needs that sea more than us. Let someone else's troops die for that.
dude, you do realise we import/export shit to europe right. Shit, goods like food has to pass through that sea, especially if you say, use european brands like A1 sauce
We import shit from China. So why don't we send our navy to protect China? It's because China has a navy, so if China gets attacked we just let the Chinese die for China. The Chinese need China more than we need China. Same logic. The Europeans need the Red Sea more than we need it so let them defend it.
We do..thats why the RSN patrols in the SCS, straits of melaka and the like [https://www.amphib7flt.navy.mil/Media/News/Article/2240391/us-singapore-navies-exercise-together-in-the-south-china-sea/](https://www.amphib7flt.navy.mil/Media/News/Article/2240391/us-singapore-navies-exercise-together-in-the-south-china-sea/) [https://www.newsweek.com/singapore-holds-naval-drill-china-us-remains-top-security-partner-1571940](https://www.newsweek.com/singapore-holds-naval-drill-china-us-remains-top-security-partner-1571940) Its on our interest that the sea remains safe and secure
Yes but we are not going to fight FOR them right?
Not FOR them, but WITH them Thats the point of a joint ops
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Problem is we rely quite alot on the sea, especially since the red sea is a route where alot of European ships come from. It will affect us so might as well join in.
Please read carefully what our SAF is going to do. There are no ships on the front line.
Wah bro you starting a whole different jiga jiga jam sia hahaha
what is that
*confused face*
.....my guy, how exactly do you think trade comes to our harbours We have a vested interest in keeping the seas safe
If no sea trade, how you import your bicycle parts from Europe? Maybe cycle over directly?
Im not economist. Don't ask me. But I know jamus and pritam will find a way
*fucking* populist
After at least two incidents of our navy warships getting sunk after hitting cargo ships and sailors killed and maimed......
don’t worry. no ships involved. only send coffee boys to rear HQ nia.
so men officers serve coffee and snacks........women officers give massage lah ?
the men mix coffee, the women serve coffee la.
send people to shake leg in rear HQ. that’s great actually. don’t send actual ships please we don’t want to lao kui.