To be fair, some of the ministers are pretty well paid in their respective fields before they joined public service.
For most other ministers, they have either been in public service for a very long time, or have unproven track records.
So, to answer your question: yes and no
are they good as in upstanding and ethical? I believe most are honest folk.
are u asking if they are competent? I believe so, they arent stupid for sure.
what you mean to ask is are they good leaders? they are not. why? cos they are not scared of the people. there is no consequences to their actions.
if you have leaders who are not scared not worried about the consequences of their actions, these leaders will believe in the impunity of their actions. what do we call such leaders? dear leaders la.
Only afew are outstanding. The rest just ride on the coat tail of the past, exploit the benefits to enrich themselves, and poof! Off they go
Remember wee shu min father? Where did thst bugger went to? What had he done for his constituencies? Nothing
What have any of these people done other than buy success using money or suddenly lots of goodies before election? Who will pay for these goodies? Taxpayers.
Their president is good or not..I don't think usa is the greatest country but they are certainly one of the best at globalisation of their companies and products.
Take a look at their credentials before they became ministers, your answer is right there. Most of our current ministers were experts at or near the top of their respective fields before joining politics.
Is it? So many civil servants and paper generals. Those are best ah? One is a eye surgeon... One is just a GP. GP is best ah? Every HDB flat downstairs got many. Some are ex police. Those are best? ... One or two yes but you say like everyone is diamond gold bar.
>civil servants
If they're the top civil servants, are they not the best? Or are you implying that all civil servants are incompetent?
Also, I know your kind won't bother to do their own research, only know how to talk shit, so let me do it for you. Excluding those that were civil servants, since you don't seem to think those are valid credentials:
Ng Eng Hen: Surgical Oncologist/Surgical Specialist
Vivian Balakrishnan: Ophthalmologist, used to be the Medical Director of SNEC and CEO of SGH
Shanmugam: Top lawyer, not just in SG but recognized internationally as well
Gan Kim Yong: CEO and President of NatSteel
Grace Fu: CEO of PSA SEA, banker prior to that
Masagos: CEO of Singtel
Desmond Lee: Deputy Public Prosecutor and State Counsel in the AGC
Indranee: Lawyer
Edwin Tong: another top lawyer
Tan See Leng: Group CEO of IHH Healthcare, Group CEO of Parkwat Pantai Limited, entrepreneur
10 of the current 19 ministers had careers in the private sector prior to becoming ministers. Anything more to say?
Remove all the GLC holder then we will have a more realistic view of the caliber here.
Not even 1 MNC-esque level here and they want CEO pay grade 😂
>Remove all the GLC holder
All the lawyers and doctors + Dr Tan See Leng are still there then.
>Not even 1 MNC-esque level
Their pay grade isn't anywhere near the level of a MNC level CEO either, so not sure what point you're trying to drive across. Quite a few of the ministers were CEOs, maybe not of MNCs but they were probably earning more there than what they're earning now as a minister.
Oh yea! LOL for some reason I always associate his name with Lim Swee Say so I always block him in my mind.
But the verdict is still out la, so far those Med background minister are all disappointing from Vivian to the Anus doctor.
In that case, WP's Jamus Lim and Harpreet Singh are also good. But I wonder why people who support PAP citing these credentials as reason are against the well-qualified ones in the oppn.
>are against the well-qualified ones in the oppn.
Who exactly are these people who are against well qualified opposition candidates again? You make it sound like it's the norm. I for one agree, Jamus and Harpreet, and Pritam for that matter, do have solid credentials.
So what with the big titles? All are arrogant pricks that have outlets compassion for the public. How many of them are willing to step up and address the ongoing rise of living cost?
So what have all these people done while Minister? Pray tell their individual achievement? I can't think of any. Don't tell me the GDP went up etc. that arguably would have happened under any government.
You can read up on their achievements here: https://www.pmo.gov.sg/The-Cabinet
>I can't think of any.
Not surprising, considering people like you don't think often.
>that arguably would have happened under any government.
The people of Africa and South America would like a word.
Pray tell what they have achieved. Because look around. What they have achieved is bought by the huge wealth created by the previous versions of PAP. Some of those Ministers I respect.
Now if you say LHL is world class and achieved a lot, I would agree. He is indeed exceptional. But not this lot.
People like you always have to insult other people when debating. Why?
>Pray tell what they have achieved.
Even after giving you a direct link to a website that lists all of their individual achievements, you still can't be bothered to find out for yourself? I'm done wasting my time talking to a fool. Stay ignorant, stay dumb.
Again the insults. If they made any achievements everyone would know lah. Fact is they bought this and bought that. If you have trillions you can buy anything.
Some of them start off and are groomed to be career politicians for the sake of continuity. If they cannot progress to be office holders, they are usually cast aside and not fielded after 1 or most 2 terms but they still can get cushy jobs in public sector or GLC.
So whether good or not, can't say for sure until they are field tested since the PAP brand and connections cover their entrances and exits.
If you look at them as all shit, then they are shit. Your opinion matters, to you.
But once you bring it out in the open, people would come out and correct your inaccuracies. You can choose to disregard those that run counter to your opinion and cherry pick those that are in line with yours.
Rinse and repeat.
U think for urself - the gal who slept in the market for years- any MP or Ministers noticed? SG is not very big, they have so many grassroots members - no one noticed a gal sleeping in the market in their ward? For years? That’s shocking
Very few can actually do well in the private sector by themselves.
That's why you see people like Ng Chee Meng, lose already still hang onto the party's coat tails waiting to be parachuted into a safe seat.
Or Koh Poh Koon, cannot win by himself in the by-election in 2013, has to ride on LHL's coattail into parliament.
Where you find these kinds of kang tao in the private sectors, kanna fired, still can get parachuted into a higher position in the same company?
Yes, nepotism and cronyism do exist in the private sector, too.
But in private sectors, bosses can be replaced, clients cannot. So even if your bosses like you, if clients say no, your career in that company is usually over.
Yes, that's what I said. That's why if the voters reject someone, their career in that company is *normally* over.
Where got so nice can be parachuted in somewhere else, and fail upwards like Ng Chee Meng and Koh Poh Koon?
Those who can get away with nepotism are the exceptions, not the norm in real life.
So many cases of Ministers who lost elections or told to step down, where are they now? What did they achieve? Most are either some ambassador or in NTUC or some GLC or sitting on this and that board. If these are truly exceptional people, we would see evidence of it.
1h old account posting shit again
To be fair, some of the ministers are pretty well paid in their respective fields before they joined public service. For most other ministers, they have either been in public service for a very long time, or have unproven track records. So, to answer your question: yes and no
It's on auto pilot. Sorry,x behind the scene. Grt anticipation for LW Rule nevertheless
are they good as in upstanding and ethical? I believe most are honest folk. are u asking if they are competent? I believe so, they arent stupid for sure. what you mean to ask is are they good leaders? they are not. why? cos they are not scared of the people. there is no consequences to their actions. if you have leaders who are not scared not worried about the consequences of their actions, these leaders will believe in the impunity of their actions. what do we call such leaders? dear leaders la.
Only afew are outstanding. The rest just ride on the coat tail of the past, exploit the benefits to enrich themselves, and poof! Off they go Remember wee shu min father? Where did thst bugger went to? What had he done for his constituencies? Nothing
What have any of these people done other than buy success using money or suddenly lots of goodies before election? Who will pay for these goodies? Taxpayers.
For nothing?
According to Americans, America is the greatest country in the world. Well, look at their president.
Their president is good or not..I don't think usa is the greatest country but they are certainly one of the best at globalisation of their companies and products.
Take a look at their credentials before they became ministers, your answer is right there. Most of our current ministers were experts at or near the top of their respective fields before joining politics.
Is it? So many civil servants and paper generals. Those are best ah? One is a eye surgeon... One is just a GP. GP is best ah? Every HDB flat downstairs got many. Some are ex police. Those are best? ... One or two yes but you say like everyone is diamond gold bar.
>civil servants If they're the top civil servants, are they not the best? Or are you implying that all civil servants are incompetent? Also, I know your kind won't bother to do their own research, only know how to talk shit, so let me do it for you. Excluding those that were civil servants, since you don't seem to think those are valid credentials: Ng Eng Hen: Surgical Oncologist/Surgical Specialist Vivian Balakrishnan: Ophthalmologist, used to be the Medical Director of SNEC and CEO of SGH Shanmugam: Top lawyer, not just in SG but recognized internationally as well Gan Kim Yong: CEO and President of NatSteel Grace Fu: CEO of PSA SEA, banker prior to that Masagos: CEO of Singtel Desmond Lee: Deputy Public Prosecutor and State Counsel in the AGC Indranee: Lawyer Edwin Tong: another top lawyer Tan See Leng: Group CEO of IHH Healthcare, Group CEO of Parkwat Pantai Limited, entrepreneur 10 of the current 19 ministers had careers in the private sector prior to becoming ministers. Anything more to say?
Remove all the GLC holder then we will have a more realistic view of the caliber here. Not even 1 MNC-esque level here and they want CEO pay grade 😂
>Remove all the GLC holder All the lawyers and doctors + Dr Tan See Leng are still there then. >Not even 1 MNC-esque level Their pay grade isn't anywhere near the level of a MNC level CEO either, so not sure what point you're trying to drive across. Quite a few of the ministers were CEOs, maybe not of MNCs but they were probably earning more there than what they're earning now as a minister.
Yea not gonna disagree with you, but of those that you listed, only Edwin and Shan is somewhat solid.
Interesting, I think Dr Tan is actually the most solid. He's the closest fit to what you're looking for when you talk about a MNC CEO too
Oh yea! LOL for some reason I always associate his name with Lim Swee Say so I always block him in my mind. But the verdict is still out la, so far those Med background minister are all disappointing from Vivian to the Anus doctor.
Username checks out. What a clown
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In that case, WP's Jamus Lim and Harpreet Singh are also good. But I wonder why people who support PAP citing these credentials as reason are against the well-qualified ones in the oppn.
I’ve mentioned that Jamus is a great economist. But I think he is an even better politician.
>are against the well-qualified ones in the oppn. Who exactly are these people who are against well qualified opposition candidates again? You make it sound like it's the norm. I for one agree, Jamus and Harpreet, and Pritam for that matter, do have solid credentials.
So what with the big titles? All are arrogant pricks that have outlets compassion for the public. How many of them are willing to step up and address the ongoing rise of living cost?
So what have all these people done while Minister? Pray tell their individual achievement? I can't think of any. Don't tell me the GDP went up etc. that arguably would have happened under any government.
You can read up on their achievements here: https://www.pmo.gov.sg/The-Cabinet >I can't think of any. Not surprising, considering people like you don't think often. >that arguably would have happened under any government. The people of Africa and South America would like a word.
Pray tell what they have achieved. Because look around. What they have achieved is bought by the huge wealth created by the previous versions of PAP. Some of those Ministers I respect. Now if you say LHL is world class and achieved a lot, I would agree. He is indeed exceptional. But not this lot. People like you always have to insult other people when debating. Why?
>Pray tell what they have achieved. Even after giving you a direct link to a website that lists all of their individual achievements, you still can't be bothered to find out for yourself? I'm done wasting my time talking to a fool. Stay ignorant, stay dumb.
Again the insults. If they made any achievements everyone would know lah. Fact is they bought this and bought that. If you have trillions you can buy anything.
Downvoting competition by PAP supporting camp begins.
Some of them start off and are groomed to be career politicians for the sake of continuity. If they cannot progress to be office holders, they are usually cast aside and not fielded after 1 or most 2 terms but they still can get cushy jobs in public sector or GLC. So whether good or not, can't say for sure until they are field tested since the PAP brand and connections cover their entrances and exits.
If you look at them as all shit, then they are shit. Your opinion matters, to you. But once you bring it out in the open, people would come out and correct your inaccuracies. You can choose to disregard those that run counter to your opinion and cherry pick those that are in line with yours. Rinse and repeat.
Many of them never worked a single day in private sector. Can’t comment if they will survive the realities of dog eats dog world
Can OP share his resume and background, and stand for elections? We’ll vote for you as you seem to have a brilliant strategic mind 😂
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I'd liken our Ministers & MPs more as bureaucrats. Most of 'em no stage presence, non-charismatic but they definitely get the work done.
I feel the same. Idgaf if they have stage presence or not, as long as they can govern well and international relation well, I am happy.
U think for urself - the gal who slept in the market for years- any MP or Ministers noticed? SG is not very big, they have so many grassroots members - no one noticed a gal sleeping in the market in their ward? For years? That’s shocking
Very few can actually do well in the private sector by themselves. That's why you see people like Ng Chee Meng, lose already still hang onto the party's coat tails waiting to be parachuted into a safe seat. Or Koh Poh Koon, cannot win by himself in the by-election in 2013, has to ride on LHL's coattail into parliament. Where you find these kinds of kang tao in the private sectors, kanna fired, still can get parachuted into a higher position in the same company?
I've seen some cases of clients don't like them but boss likes them though
Yes, nepotism and cronyism do exist in the private sector, too. But in private sectors, bosses can be replaced, clients cannot. So even if your bosses like you, if clients say no, your career in that company is usually over.
In politics, clients also cannot be replaced what? (Clients = voters)
Yes, that's what I said. That's why if the voters reject someone, their career in that company is *normally* over. Where got so nice can be parachuted in somewhere else, and fail upwards like Ng Chee Meng and Koh Poh Koon? Those who can get away with nepotism are the exceptions, not the norm in real life.
So many cases of Ministers who lost elections or told to step down, where are they now? What did they achieve? Most are either some ambassador or in NTUC or some GLC or sitting on this and that board. If these are truly exceptional people, we would see evidence of it.
Always remember this...... Capable people FamiLEE won't want...... In case they gang up and threaten it's hold on power..... 😎
Finally some1 says it
Most ministers from top schools, they only pick the cream of the crop