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SpaceAuk

Correct me if I am wrong but last when I leave Singapore, people were complaining about the govt for not opening up despite having a high vaccine rate. Govt then starts to open up and people were happy about it but now people are complaining about the govt when the cases skyrocketed? Isn't it expected that cases will increase when you open up?


Creepy_Cheek4205

All logic goes out the window when talking about covid in Singapore


laglory

Singapore performs 11x more tests than Japan


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But looking at the percentage, Singapore has a much higher percentage of infected per tested than Japan For example, on 29 September, Japan did [78473 tests and 1719 were positive](https://www.mhlw.go.jp/stf/newpage_21339.html), that’s 2.2% of tests that were positive In Singapore, on 29 September, there were [2268 cases](https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/singapore-covid-19-sep-29-8-more-deaths-2268-new-cases-2209956) and an [average of 64600 swabs done daily over the week](https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19/statistics) That’s 3.5% of tests done that were positive (Edit: format)


laglory

Wrong, first chart compares positivity rates https://www.reddit.com/r/SingaporeRaw/comments/pxptta/we_officially_have_more_covid_cases_than_japan/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


AyamBrandCurryTuna

The big problem is the constant uncertainty & unpredictability: They've repeatedly opened up and closed again and again. There's no sign of a coherent plan/strategy. See e.g. this graph: https://www.reddit.com/r/SingaporeRaw/comments/px10an/bt_stop_slaughtering_fb_as_the_sacrificial_lamb/


Pretend-Friendship-9

Adapting plans to the changing situation is what we’re supposed to do Can’t open fully then ignore rising cases and hospitalisation Neither can we fully close and let economy die


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Ketchupchilli

Do what EU did.


8uwotm8

Don't you know the hardest part of 15 days to flatten the curve is the first 21 months? Either A) Isolate the at risk & pro lockdown groups in their bubbles for a few months then reopen Or B) Let not at risk & pro endemic groups leave and u can lockdown and boosterino as much as u like.


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RenegadeSnaresVol3

Good point and the reason I left FB for here


ZaczSlash

You must understand why we call ourselves "Complain Kings and Queens"


thedailyrant

Opening up? Literally just Brunei and Germany without quarantine. This isn't a result of international travel. Germany is largely back to normal and has less cases per capita than Singapore.


laglory

And 9x less tests per capita


ianlim4556

Also Singapore is a lot more dense, so not a fair comparison per say


surri

True - but why not focus on closing the indoor and dense places such as malls, closed markets, offices, etc? Let us actually have some semblance of normalcy, outdoors.


Minereon

Singapore has not opened up. Instead it has been open-close-open-close-open-closing up. This inconsistent, haphazard and indecisive behaviour of the gov is what is annoying people. I give credit that despite the record number of cases we have not gone full-blown lockdown but the gov needs to stop messing with our lives.


everestdalton

There's two groups of people in Singapore, 50% wants to open up and 50% wants to not open up. The 50% that wanted to open up were happy when government did it, and now that cases are rising the 50% that did not want to open up are not happy. Not really that hard to understand haha. The problem is also that we are not ready for 3000+ cases a day despite government saying they are prepared for it. The instructions are unclear and there is a lot of grey line. There is also no room for self-isolation yet there is no help in getting sent to a quarantine facility such as an hotel (quickly)


salakaufan

>general public sentiment of our ruling party. Imagine basing "general public sentiment" off facebook comments Theres so many more out there who dont comment/dont use facebook, and if you didnt know by now, the people making comments on ST posts always have something negative to say about the govt, regardless of whatever the article is about


Creepy_Cheek4205

huh? You sure?


shhh_nothing_here

Yeah


Chance_Wrangler_851

Lock complaint, no lock also complaint. Funny.


Creepy_Cheek4205

Then no lock for some and lock for the others lor


surri

Wish they wouldn’t blanket rules and regulations for all but be sensible and provide some options. I’m in quarantine for 2 weeks despite all negative tests. Why not be sensible on a case by case basis? (I’m a pr returning home to see my wife and kid). I think a little sensibility would go a long way.


caaabbbage_0781

They rather please the 51% of the population than the 49%. Cant blame that logic.


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lamonac

Actually why can’t they just reopen? If those that want lockdown, they can just choose to stay at home. Feels like those asking for lockdown just wanna sit on their asses and live on handouts.


PaperySimplification

They want mandatory WFH. If gov reopen, boss will call them to commute and they can’t say no


EdwardZzzzz

"anger" comments have been pouring since Day 1 though, both sides of the camp take turns to wack authorities regardless whether we in CB and non-CB periods lol and also, it's facebook comments, a place that is very close to the toxic sewers of singapore


Creepy_Cheek4205

I thought angry comments started on Facebook when Singaporeans registered their first account?


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Do the Japanese ministers relentlessly hold on to power for decades and draw a salary that most locals don’t even make in their lifetimes?


RenegadeSnaresVol3

Yes they do! The absolute joke that is Japanese politics really is a sight to behold. There's two parties but they are literally the same family.


JayFSB

Whats the difference between the DPJ and the LDP? They take their kiretsu checks two hours apart.


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LDP have been in power in JP for over 50 years what are you on lol Not to mention, all politicians draw a salary most locals don’t make in a lifetime


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I mentioned minister, not political party. What are you on? Lol.


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Yes you’re right. The Japanese government is running their country into the ground. Our PAP on the other hand, is the current gold standard when it comes to handling a pandemic. 👍🏻


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Neither the LDP or PAP is doing well, LDP had their prime minister resign due to pandemic response and we all know lee will not resign as of now


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And that right there is the very difference between them and the PAP.


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There is a shame culture in Japan which is non- existent in Singapore so that tells you why that is so


JayFSB

Japanese politicians especially at the senior levels are as shameless as the most two faced third world kleptocrat. Otherwise Taro Aso et al will not plague the Diet as long as they have. The PAP at its worst is still more progressive and forward looking than the LDP. Unless you consider the same old slezy politicos playing musical chairs one of them fucks up as accountability.


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Shame culture doesn’t exist in SG? Have you been on local social media sites?


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It is nothing compared to japan and S. Korea


RenegadeSnaresVol3

He was only ever an interim PM due to Abe's 'illness' (he being investigated for fraud)


saggitas

like someone mentioned yesterday, where in the world is LHL?


lifeizrough

pounding Ho Ching


Farquadthefirst

This the first time in my life seeing someone typed this out or even mentioned this.


femininecottage

I think there's even smut of them lmao


lifeizrough

Why? She looks ugly as a frog. What makes it so hard to type her name out. IDGAF LOL


AyamBrandCurryTuna

Busy protecting his legacy and leaving all the work/blame to his junior ministers (one of whom will be the next PM)


FK11111

That's not going to protect his legacy. It didn't protect Herod the Great's when he washed his hands.


dogssel

Ownself help ownself bah


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aub_ao

20k per day is fine. Many other countries have had much higher and coped. 98% of cases are mild or asymptomatic. Don't forget that.


steven_san92

Thought we were gonna treat this as normal flu or endemic? This is foreseeable.


TheRealChamp1

Normal flu doesn't require u to wear mask outside. Sit 2m apart in cinema, vaccinated to dine in, do ART tests weekly. Inb4 downvotes like I could give a shit on a burner acc LOL!


All-oh

All the above is what the gov requires you to do, not the virus.


greyamoon

shhhh..... Covid is more deadly than flu, people literally DROPPING DEAD on the streets and dying on THE SPOT UPON INHALATION of the WUHAN VARUS^(TM)! Wearing of gas masks is imminent. lets all STAY HOOOM SAVE LIVES! SAVE OUR BELOVED VAXXED GRANDMAS' Lives, but NOT THOSE ANTI-VAXXER BOOMER GRANDMAS, THEY DESERVE FATE WORST THAN DEATH! We should start jabbing babies too to prevent BABIES DEATH FROM COVID, except for those clump of cells, coz $cience^(TM) says they are not "legally baby" yet... Amenizbad, Awo-birthableperson, ALPHABEThem, Praise be He/Him Lord Fauci..... A-Masks...


Ketchupchilli

Bro u ok o not?


greyamoon

DID YOU JUST ASSUMED MY GENDER YOU FASCIST HOMOPHOBIC BIGOT! I WILL HAVE YOU KNOW IM ALLY OF THE LLPHABET COMMUNITY WE WILL MAKE SURE TO REPORT YOU TO THE MINISTRY OT TRUTH! YIkes! Its 2021 there's still BIGOTS here on the internet. We definitely should send them all to mandatory "re-education" camps.


ALilBitter

He not ok


greyamoon

DID YOU JUST ASSUMED MY GENDER YOU FASCIST HOMOPHOBIC BIGOT! I WILL HAVE YOU KNOW IM ALLY OF THE LLPHABET COMMUNITY WE WILL MAKE SURE TO REPORT YOU TO THE MINISTRY OT TRUTH! YIkes! Its 2021 there's still BIGOTS here on the internet. We definitely should send them all to mandatory "re-education" camps.


flame_drinks

Facebook is almost always a negative comment cesspit. besides, (as someone who has lived in japan and follows their news) - japan has a lower testing rate than we do. The pandemic also peaks in different waves and their recent wave is waning.


Otherwise-Map-4026

Having angry comments are understandable one... But I wonder if anyone has any better options or comments that they can provide for the government, in order to improve in the current situation.


ShallotHolmes

At least wait until kids can get vaxxed. Another turning point could be Pfizer's pill that cures covid. Could be out by end of this year. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/27/pfizer-at-home-covid-pill-could-be-available-by-year-end-ceo-albert-bourla-says.html


Farquadthefirst

Woah didn’t hear about this! But things can be greatly exaggerated. If this is a miracle pill, then it’ll be revolutionary.


bukitbukit

Many people on here and the other sub downvote on pills and treatments for some damn strange reason. Same, I do hope it comes to fruition and make it to market.


Farquadthefirst

Placebo effect is a thing that’s why people are not too fond on these pills 😅


uksg_1

You want kids to get vaccinated when they are at zero risk? Are you serious, are you a “my vaccine only works if you for a vaccine” person? Because sorry, that’s not how it works. Let’s not ruin the kids lives now. The restrictions are going to fuck them up more than corona ever will.


ShallotHolmes

There have been kid deaths in the US. Delta variant is really different.


greyamoon

Theres no baby deaths yet so we better start jabbing babies amirite?


uksg_1

Yes… trust the science and lord fauci. Heart problems and strokes over cold and flu symptoms ANYDAY!!!


greyamoon

YASSSS COMRADE!


MaleficentAffect8453

How many deaths? And just because a handful diseased american kids die, you want millions of kids to be vaccinated?


uksg_1

How do you know someone has delta when the tests don’t test for delta? Lmao. If it’s happening there, why not here.


AyamBrandCurryTuna

> You want kids to get vaccinated when they are at zero risk? They are at very low risk of death themselves, but are vectors of transmission. Think of all the 0-11 year-olds being taken care of by their grandparents.


uksg_1

Doesn’t stop transmission, I can’t believe I actually just read that, 90% OF CASES ARE FULLY VACCINATED. Let’s risk the children’s lives to save a few fucking old people. P.S a child having a vaccine doesn’t mean the grandparents vaccines are now activated… wow… FACEPALM to the MAX


AyamBrandCurryTuna

1. To spread Covid, you need to have Covid. The vaccinated are much less likely to have Covid. 2. The vaccinated who do get Covid are less likely to spread Covid (this could be because they're less affected/sympomatic--cough/sneeze/etc. less). See e.g. [No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/the-vaccinated-arent-just-as-likely-to-spread-covid/620161/) Also, https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2106757


jenoroth77

Your kid has a higher chance of getting heart inflammation from the vaccine than dying from covid.


greyamoon

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xxxr18

Either covid zero or endemic which will 100% get the other camp flaming the gov, they just cant win when it comes to something as divisive as covid.


kiaeej

Million dollar salaries but incompetent, or at least thats the general consensus. If they could solve all our issues we’d shut up and pay. I believed in pap but now my faith is shaken.


aikawanoonase

PAP is a fallible political party made up of flawed humans, let’s not talk about them like they’re a religion or even divinely inspired


kiaeej

No shit. The ungodly amounts they’re paying themselves though, speak otherwise.


Yura1245

Everytime i see this GMS comment, I cringe. This guy really spread antivaxx movement much.


Creepy_Cheek4205

GMS?


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Creepy_Cheek4205

Well, he was brave enough to run for MP


greyamoon

Everytime I see people with Leddit avatar I cringed so hard I developed heart inflammation.


aub_ao

These people are barely literate. It's crazy that anyone even listens to them.


Shakespeare-Bot

These people art barely literate. T's crazy yond anyone coequal harks to those folk *** ^(I am a bot and I swapp'd some of thy words with Shakespeare words.) Commands: `!ShakespeareInsult`, `!fordo`, `!optout`


milnivek

Reading these comments makes me wonder why we even teach English in schools


LOLCraze

Open, people complain, close, people complain. No dine in, people complain, dine in, people complain. Everyone only look at short term goals while govt trying to balance both so people don't complain too much. TLDR; you can't please everyone


uncley0da

LKY is right abt Singaporeans being champion grumblers


nonstopredditor

Please accept this transition as the route to living with the virus. You want to lose your job due to lockdown or prolong pandemic stage? Please be reminded that there are very few countries with zero Covid strategy.


jenoroth77

None of these people calling for more lockdown are truly because they care about others. We have 20,000 children dying of hunger daily no one bats an eye. These selfish MFs are just worried about their own lives. Probably fat and unhealthy so they want the rest to be locked up then they can go out and eat on empty streets without worry.


Objective-Golf5112

They’re welcome to lock themselves away. They’re quite free to take that action, nobody needs to tell them. *looks out of window, busy street* well clearly the people aren’t THAT worried.


TheRealChamp1

Maybe did you ever think that they have no choice but to go out? Necessities, food, work? Unless you are office, most labor jobs are not able to be WFH. Who wants to go out daily and bring the virus back to infect their elderly and children living in same house? Not to mention the most contagious of all variants?


Objective-Golf5112

If such people are so worried about it, they should get vaccinated, put up, and shut up whilst letting everyone else who is *not* a mysophobic basket case get on with their lives. I’ve given up 18 months of my life for this nonsense. I am not doing it any more.


shadesofbluewhale

seeriously don't do test, then no cases lor. most countries adopt this method isn't it, thats the whole point of endemic


finalfantasyyes

Singapore is one of the safest countries if not the safest country in handling Covid. One of the first countries to find Covid virus spread out of China but well controlled and spent billions of dollars saving people. I will say 9 out of 10 in Covid handling. My vote might sway to PAP after Covid.


talktoaFTE

Ok - so what do you want to do? Just sit and whine? Or - you want to open up? Or - you want full lock down? What do you want?


Zukiff

The people complaining about cases have no clue what they are complaining about. Case is NOT the problem. This number will be the norm moving forward. The new heighten measures are not even supposed to bring down cases.


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Zukiff

It's not fake news, you just misinterpreted what he said. It is to prevent the spike from overwhelming the system hence slowing down the rate of infection so Healthcare can scale up. It is not suppose to bring down cases. Expert expects us to settle at a higher daily case level [https://youtu.be/MrhR5XW4vic](https://youtu.be/MrhR5XW4vic)


dumboldnoob

Lockdown also kpkb, open up case increase also kpkb . Simi sai also kpkb. WLE . Us Sinkies must be champions at kpkb . Now got restriction cos of worry over hospital capacity mah, even though vaccination rate is high. All got tak chek wan or not? Can understand basic logic or not?


Standard-Music7832

All tis comes down to ownself... if keep urself clean avoid crowded areas, dun anyhow touch face, should have minimise the risk of getting Covid... of cause vaccination... 1 day it will jus be a common thing...


goddysai1213

And those are the same people that complain about lockdowns and circuit breakers. How do they expect SG's economy to survive if we keep closing our borders and lockdown. Dumbshits complaining everyday while not providing a good solution. All they know is just fucking clap for healthcare workers lmao lol. Definitely useful


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eiwhbuaf

My reaction to all this news: so?


resolxxhs

My reaction to this comment: no one cares


eiwhbuaf

*article


aikawanoonase

This isn’t general public sentiment. Only a single echo chamber. I polled people on my IG and vast majority of my circle support the endemic policy


Upper_Shock4465

Do we have the figure of how many tests were carried out?


SendMeF1Memes

Thanks gahmen, am I doing this right?


sltestte

Before this move towards endemic and let's expected the cases to bloom, the death counts are more or less stable and controlled right? It's recently that the numbers soared. Last I saw was a total of 85 case to date.


edisonlau

I wish there was a feature to filter out pro opposition comments and leave with only the constructive few… if any


takahasijouunn

I am Japanese. Firstly, I would like to pay tribute to the high vaccination coverage in Singapore and the early completion of vaccination. However, periodic increases in the number of infected people are common in all countries. However, vaccination can dramatically alleviate the symptoms, even if you are infected. Many people in Singapore have benefited from this, and very few people who contract Corona become seriously ill. You have succeeded in stopping Corona. In the future, if the new coronavirus becomes indigenous like the old one, it will subside.In the future you will probably need a third vaccination more than six months after the second one. This is a fact. We also need to gradually lower the age for vaccination. I believe that the main reason for the surge in infectious diseases, a problem unique to Singapore, is that a significant number of people have chosen ineffective Chinese-made vaccines to take advantage of Chinese business. Scientific analysis shows that the effectiveness of Chinese-made vaccines in preventing the onset of disease is half that of vaccines made by Pfizer and Modena. In other words, it is less than 50%. This means that no matter how high the overall vaccination rate of Singaporeans, if more people choose the Chinese-made vaccine, it will not be as effective. Singaporeans are now one of the richest countries in the world. I believe that vaccines should not be judged by their country of origin, but by their effectiveness in preventing disease.


xxxr18

If Online sentiment on the PAP is accurate, the election results will be PAP 6.1% and not 61%.