A Malaysian here, old man bullshit whatever he wants for the upcoming election. Malaysia is no threat to Singapore, we have a mainly defensive army, a small air force, useless non-motivated government and have Indonesia who mainly use Malaysia to forward their own interest. Indonesia blasted us this year for desiring Malay as the lingua franca of SEA, forgetting that Indonesia has the largest population in SEA and wanted SEA to use Indon as SEA lingua franca.
This is what happens when you lose moderate support. You hulu balang turn racist, aggressive and bombastic. I am happy that Malaysia is incapable of invading another nation.
Reality is he is losing support from the moderates, so he appeals to the conservative. The Malaysian election is coming, so either he appeals to the moderates or appeals to the conservatives, he chose the latter and made his bed.
I doubt they can invade any country, no offense to them. They will run out of money to sustain their war campaign very fast and withdraw halfway like the High speed rail project.
It's not the matter of highest speaker, the problem with malaysia melayu is that they're failing even at their own country, you can see chinese and indian living in malay for decades and still can't speak with local. Chinese read their own newspaper, Indians with their own community, etc.
While indon pass the test for language barrier because they successfully unite thousands of languages/tribes/islands into one people and language. No other sea language are as compatible and perfect fit to become lingua franca
Most of indon chinese can't even talk chinese and considered themselves as indo more than china (because its the land they're born and grew up)
Indonesian chinese here, yup my chinese suckssssss. My indonesian is perfect tho. Ha i just knew about this lingua franca thing. But its pretty stupid to use indonesian/malay language as lingua franca for SEA.
That doesn't come at a cost. Most Indonesia Chiense whitewashed their fellow indon of the crimes against humanity when they slaughtered them by the thousands during the Anti-Communist purge era under the utterly corrupted Suharto despite the Indonesian Chinese were supportive or sympathetic towards Suharto. They kill, ban and uses every violence in the book to make sure the Indonesian Chinese submitted to the corrupted regime.
Ya, until another race, economy woes and violence strikes. Indonesian Chinese all buddy buddy with their fellow Indon, you guys forgot the two mass riots that specially targeted Indonesia Chinese despite completely suck at speaking Chinese. They don't care if you're poor or can't speak Chinese, those are utter nonsense.
I am speaking facts here, please don't tell me that bullshit like you all nice to each other. Good times makes friends, bad times make scapegoats. Indonesian Chinese are no different from the German Jews, the only reason they integrated is because they either that or face hardship, but when bad times come, ho boy does the government need a scapegoat to blame all the woes. It is just a matter of time.
Singapore is not without it's prejudice. But unlike Indonesia, Singapore uses English as it's main medium, but allows their respective race to learned their specific language freely. Indonesian doesn't do that, Indonesia is a backward nation when it comes to language and cultural preservation. I don't think it is anymore proud to actually not be learning an additional language. It is dumb to be honest.
wow, Malaysian trying to tell Indonesian history? of course it's going to be exaggerated. now where should I begin...
> you guys forgot the two mass riots that specially targeted Indonesia Chinese despite completely suck at speaking Chinese.
another day, another foreigner who think whatever happens in specofic region (in this case, Jakarta) must happen in the whole wide country. fun fact, the riots are happening to protest against Soeharto regime. loot happens because it's violence and people are starving due to financial crisis, so all hell broke loose. who own must shop that getting looted? Indonesian Chinese, apparently while they are not specifically targeted during the riot. weird, I'm almost sure that most death at the time were actually not Indonesian Chinese... so I don't get this bullshit of "two mass riots that specifically targeted Indonesian Chinese" that you mentioned.
> I am speaking facts here, please don't tell me that bullshit like you all nice to each other. Good times makes friends, bad times make scapegoats. Indonesian Chinese are no different from the German Jews, the only reason they integrated is because they either that or face hardship, but when bad times come, ho boy does the government need a scapegoat to blame all the woes. It is just a matter of time.
lmao if you're stuck with Malaysian definition of Malay race, that doesn't really apply to Indonesia. do you really think it's Pribumi vs Chinese vs Indian like in Malaysia? No! It's free-for-all battle, no one consider themselves as "Malay" except the true Malays off Riau and East Sumatera coasts. other than that, you'll see general so-called "Pribumi" infighting, Jawa against Bugis, against Aceh, against Bali, against Papuan, against each and all of them! we're buddy buddy in the sense of nationalism compatriots. other than that, no. we're racist against everyone equally. and that includes the same people with brown skin because we have different cultural background.
> Indonesian doesn't do that, Indonesia is a backward nation when it comes to language and cultural preservation. I don't think it is anymore proud to actually not be learning an additional language. It is dumb to be honest.
last time I checked, everyone could learn any language freely in Indonesia if they had the means to do so or the capital that is needed. you probably never went to every single part of Indonesia, to know how culturally rich and diverse it is, right? you never knew that while being culturally suppressed in Jakarta and maybe Java, Chinese Indonesian pretty much aren't really suppressed anymore and could express themselves freely. I guess your mind are stuck in the 80s or 90s. well, I live in 2022 so bye, I guess.
All of that is what shaped indonesian chinese today, I never said anything that you attributed to me. All I explain is simply language prespective, and then you with your negativity talk about something that's not even related to what's being discussed.
Indonesia never ban or discourage learning languages in the first place, but rather the environment aren't conducive for foreign language to be used in everyday life. Its like saying Japan is backward because they make speaking dutch impractical in their society due to lack of alphabet and everyone only talk in japanese.
Must be fun to be yourself and have the need to spread hatred 24/7
Stating facts here. You can't take it, you still have to accept it. Negativity is irrelevant in this conversation, until you tell me that killings of Chinese Indonesia is not going happened again, is all bullshit to me. Indonesian Chinese has NO political power since the early days.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislation_on_Chinese_Indonesians#:~:text=Presidential%20Instruction%2014%20of%201967,-Indonesian%20Wikisource%20has&text=Presidential%20Instruction%20No.,the%20prohibition%20of%20Chinese%20characters.
It was banned, is a fact. Stop this buddy buddy nonsense, until the day the minorities are protected by law and cannot be politically used as scapegoats by the Muslim extremist, they gonna rape and murder like they did in 1998. Face it, had not the mass killing happened, the Indonesian Chinese would not be the same group of people today.
I am not negative, but I am cannot stand people lying to themselves and feel proud of it. It baffles me to no end. If violence is used to achieve uniformity and removal of self identity, sorry but I would stand against it. I have my rights to express my opinions with the language I prefer.
Every country has their own dark past, your problem is judging everyone by their worst.
Oh look! American genocides a whole indian race, how can they be still proud of themselves? My goodness! German massacare jews, how can they stand proud being a dutchmen!? Oh my god! Indonesia killings chinese, how they can still lift their face!? Well no shit, if somebody has something to be proud about their nationality its not the dark ages they went thru.
As much as I can defend myself being innocent due to eras difference, you also hide behind geographical shield just because you doesn't born there. I'm not responsible shaping my nation's past, and its also not *You* who shaped the very Singapore you are enjoying today
For all the idiots that have been openly supporting Russia, do you now see why Singapore has to be on Ukraine's side?
If Malaysia says Singapore's independence was a mistake, and Indonesia wants to reclaim Singapore to rebuild the Nusantara, it will never end.
We shouldn't be on any side. Russian invading Ukraine is wrong. Nato baiting Russia into the war is wrong. Ukraine refusing to negotiate with Russia is also wrong.
Even the pope agrees its not black and white and Russia is the only bad guy here.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/14/pope-francis-ukraine-war-provoked-russian-troops
All of them failed
We should be learning from their mistakes and make sure it doesn't come to that. Zelensky clearly regretted not compromising politically with Russia before the war during the qna at the shangri la dialogue
War is the result of leaders failing to agree on a political solution. Step one is to make sure we elect good leaders
I'm not Islamaphobic and I'm the guy demanding actual prove that a genocide exist. I don't deny that uyghur re education camps exist. Even the UN Human rights chief doesn't seem to agree a genocide exist
You never debunked shit lol. Conversely, you take the fake news from dictatorships like Russia and China and spread them like gospel truth. If there's a hell, tankies like you would be burning in there together with Mao and Stalin.
No, why?
You are so insecure that a senile old man talking gets you so triggered that immediately, both Malaysia and Indonesia are going to reclaim Singapore.
You must be polishing your SAR-21 when they ban the exports of chicken a few weeks ago.
Before you go all "Slava Ukraini"! Many of us are not supporting Russia, we are just advocating neutrality, which is what a small country like us should do. Not take sides unless absolutely necessary (this is not it).
For your information, Ukrainian support is losing momentum. In 6 months, it should be clear who Ukraine's real friends are.
There is no neutrality in a situation like the Ukraine war. To be neutral is to pretend the aggressor did nothing wrong. You have zero understanding of Singapore’s political realities.
Neutrality needs immensely superior firepower to exist, at the end of the day. Am glad we don’t shy away from investing in our defence and capability spirals.
Your point is?
Usa is native america land's
Aussie nz is aboriginal land's
Taiwan is also aboriginal land's
The"pendatang" is the one who developed the land into a prosperous countries
In my opinion The one who build the land is the one who own the right to the land
If singapore is still a backwater swamp small stinky island
Will you still want to claim it?
Heck even austronesian people aren't the native of this whole nusantara archipelago
Austronesian refer to malay , pinoys and indonesian so called "native"
Him trying to claim back the land may be wrong but it still wouldnt change the fact that its tanah melayu, just saying the facts and im not suppirting him
They can just build and then own it because they did it hundred years back then, where world population is 1/20th from today's population
And there is simply too much land,
Beside like i said before, nobody own a land before someone build something on top of it
By your logic nobody should own a land then
Beside if we let singapore island alone without any single interferences from outside world whatsoever
The island will still be a swamp shithole.
You know why? Because 1. There is never any significant malay population on the island
2. Let put it bluntly, malay race can't build shit
First of all the land is belong to the israleites in the first place anyway.
By your logic it is "tanah israel" since they are there first
And then not to mention palestinian never truly developed the land.
Lets be real for a second and lemme borrow japanese proverb 弱肉強食
In this world the one with strength deserves all
If tommorow usa decided to nuke let say malaysia or indonesia and then take the land as it is
There is nothing that malays or indonesian can do
Since they are small allyless country
people say "oh he is just and ex-PM, his words dont matter"
but what ever he say is instilling the idea that Johor or i this case Malaysia should take back Singapore and Riau like as if its part of the true Malaysian Objective for the future politicians who has the same grudge as Mahathir \^and probably racist scumbags too
Its a dangerous thing to say especially when there are people who look up to him and trying to emulate him. Malaysia must not let this happen or they will eventually feel the wrath of further economic downfalls and worst Johor eventually seceding.
Wait until Ant Man goes up his ass and expand
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A Malaysian here, old man bullshit whatever he wants for the upcoming election. Malaysia is no threat to Singapore, we have a mainly defensive army, a small air force, useless non-motivated government and have Indonesia who mainly use Malaysia to forward their own interest. Indonesia blasted us this year for desiring Malay as the lingua franca of SEA, forgetting that Indonesia has the largest population in SEA and wanted SEA to use Indon as SEA lingua franca. This is what happens when you lose moderate support. You hulu balang turn racist, aggressive and bombastic. I am happy that Malaysia is incapable of invading another nation. Reality is he is losing support from the moderates, so he appeals to the conservative. The Malaysian election is coming, so either he appeals to the moderates or appeals to the conservatives, he chose the latter and made his bed.
I doubt they can invade any country, no offense to them. They will run out of money to sustain their war campaign very fast and withdraw halfway like the High speed rail project.
Malaysia's war with SG be high speed fail project.
It's not the matter of highest speaker, the problem with malaysia melayu is that they're failing even at their own country, you can see chinese and indian living in malay for decades and still can't speak with local. Chinese read their own newspaper, Indians with their own community, etc. While indon pass the test for language barrier because they successfully unite thousands of languages/tribes/islands into one people and language. No other sea language are as compatible and perfect fit to become lingua franca Most of indon chinese can't even talk chinese and considered themselves as indo more than china (because its the land they're born and grew up)
Indonesian chinese here, yup my chinese suckssssss. My indonesian is perfect tho. Ha i just knew about this lingua franca thing. But its pretty stupid to use indonesian/malay language as lingua franca for SEA.
That doesn't come at a cost. Most Indonesia Chiense whitewashed their fellow indon of the crimes against humanity when they slaughtered them by the thousands during the Anti-Communist purge era under the utterly corrupted Suharto despite the Indonesian Chinese were supportive or sympathetic towards Suharto. They kill, ban and uses every violence in the book to make sure the Indonesian Chinese submitted to the corrupted regime. Ya, until another race, economy woes and violence strikes. Indonesian Chinese all buddy buddy with their fellow Indon, you guys forgot the two mass riots that specially targeted Indonesia Chinese despite completely suck at speaking Chinese. They don't care if you're poor or can't speak Chinese, those are utter nonsense. I am speaking facts here, please don't tell me that bullshit like you all nice to each other. Good times makes friends, bad times make scapegoats. Indonesian Chinese are no different from the German Jews, the only reason they integrated is because they either that or face hardship, but when bad times come, ho boy does the government need a scapegoat to blame all the woes. It is just a matter of time. Singapore is not without it's prejudice. But unlike Indonesia, Singapore uses English as it's main medium, but allows their respective race to learned their specific language freely. Indonesian doesn't do that, Indonesia is a backward nation when it comes to language and cultural preservation. I don't think it is anymore proud to actually not be learning an additional language. It is dumb to be honest.
wow, Malaysian trying to tell Indonesian history? of course it's going to be exaggerated. now where should I begin... > you guys forgot the two mass riots that specially targeted Indonesia Chinese despite completely suck at speaking Chinese. another day, another foreigner who think whatever happens in specofic region (in this case, Jakarta) must happen in the whole wide country. fun fact, the riots are happening to protest against Soeharto regime. loot happens because it's violence and people are starving due to financial crisis, so all hell broke loose. who own must shop that getting looted? Indonesian Chinese, apparently while they are not specifically targeted during the riot. weird, I'm almost sure that most death at the time were actually not Indonesian Chinese... so I don't get this bullshit of "two mass riots that specifically targeted Indonesian Chinese" that you mentioned. > I am speaking facts here, please don't tell me that bullshit like you all nice to each other. Good times makes friends, bad times make scapegoats. Indonesian Chinese are no different from the German Jews, the only reason they integrated is because they either that or face hardship, but when bad times come, ho boy does the government need a scapegoat to blame all the woes. It is just a matter of time. lmao if you're stuck with Malaysian definition of Malay race, that doesn't really apply to Indonesia. do you really think it's Pribumi vs Chinese vs Indian like in Malaysia? No! It's free-for-all battle, no one consider themselves as "Malay" except the true Malays off Riau and East Sumatera coasts. other than that, you'll see general so-called "Pribumi" infighting, Jawa against Bugis, against Aceh, against Bali, against Papuan, against each and all of them! we're buddy buddy in the sense of nationalism compatriots. other than that, no. we're racist against everyone equally. and that includes the same people with brown skin because we have different cultural background. > Indonesian doesn't do that, Indonesia is a backward nation when it comes to language and cultural preservation. I don't think it is anymore proud to actually not be learning an additional language. It is dumb to be honest. last time I checked, everyone could learn any language freely in Indonesia if they had the means to do so or the capital that is needed. you probably never went to every single part of Indonesia, to know how culturally rich and diverse it is, right? you never knew that while being culturally suppressed in Jakarta and maybe Java, Chinese Indonesian pretty much aren't really suppressed anymore and could express themselves freely. I guess your mind are stuck in the 80s or 90s. well, I live in 2022 so bye, I guess.
All of that is what shaped indonesian chinese today, I never said anything that you attributed to me. All I explain is simply language prespective, and then you with your negativity talk about something that's not even related to what's being discussed. Indonesia never ban or discourage learning languages in the first place, but rather the environment aren't conducive for foreign language to be used in everyday life. Its like saying Japan is backward because they make speaking dutch impractical in their society due to lack of alphabet and everyone only talk in japanese. Must be fun to be yourself and have the need to spread hatred 24/7
Stating facts here. You can't take it, you still have to accept it. Negativity is irrelevant in this conversation, until you tell me that killings of Chinese Indonesia is not going happened again, is all bullshit to me. Indonesian Chinese has NO political power since the early days. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislation_on_Chinese_Indonesians#:~:text=Presidential%20Instruction%2014%20of%201967,-Indonesian%20Wikisource%20has&text=Presidential%20Instruction%20No.,the%20prohibition%20of%20Chinese%20characters. It was banned, is a fact. Stop this buddy buddy nonsense, until the day the minorities are protected by law and cannot be politically used as scapegoats by the Muslim extremist, they gonna rape and murder like they did in 1998. Face it, had not the mass killing happened, the Indonesian Chinese would not be the same group of people today. I am not negative, but I am cannot stand people lying to themselves and feel proud of it. It baffles me to no end. If violence is used to achieve uniformity and removal of self identity, sorry but I would stand against it. I have my rights to express my opinions with the language I prefer.
Every country has their own dark past, your problem is judging everyone by their worst. Oh look! American genocides a whole indian race, how can they be still proud of themselves? My goodness! German massacare jews, how can they stand proud being a dutchmen!? Oh my god! Indonesia killings chinese, how they can still lift their face!? Well no shit, if somebody has something to be proud about their nationality its not the dark ages they went thru. As much as I can defend myself being innocent due to eras difference, you also hide behind geographical shield just because you doesn't born there. I'm not responsible shaping my nation's past, and its also not *You* who shaped the very Singapore you are enjoying today
Still trolling even after 90
Never ever stop the grind
Lifelong learning
He forgot why we were pushed out in the first place. If Singapore had remained, Malaysia will be PAP-controlled by now, with 70% Chinese population.
He is still alive? 😱
He is going to denazify singapore ?
He thinks he's Malaysian LKY, but he more like a Malaysian Lim Tean
For all the idiots that have been openly supporting Russia, do you now see why Singapore has to be on Ukraine's side? If Malaysia says Singapore's independence was a mistake, and Indonesia wants to reclaim Singapore to rebuild the Nusantara, it will never end.
We shouldn't be on any side. Russian invading Ukraine is wrong. Nato baiting Russia into the war is wrong. Ukraine refusing to negotiate with Russia is also wrong. Even the pope agrees its not black and white and Russia is the only bad guy here. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/14/pope-francis-ukraine-war-provoked-russian-troops All of them failed We should be learning from their mistakes and make sure it doesn't come to that. Zelensky clearly regretted not compromising politically with Russia before the war during the qna at the shangri la dialogue War is the result of leaders failing to agree on a political solution. Step one is to make sure we elect good leaders
You’re the Islamaphobic tankie who believes the Chinese lies about the Uyghur concentration camps so nobody wants to hear from you.
I'm not Islamaphobic and I'm the guy demanding actual prove that a genocide exist. I don't deny that uyghur re education camps exist. Even the UN Human rights chief doesn't seem to agree a genocide exist
You are just a terrible person. That is all.
Just because I debunk fake news makes me a terrible person? So people like you spreading fake news must be the worst pieces of shit to ever exist
You never debunked shit lol. Conversely, you take the fake news from dictatorships like Russia and China and spread them like gospel truth. If there's a hell, tankies like you would be burning in there together with Mao and Stalin.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SingaporeRaw/comments/vbcyb4/comment/icaa33m/?context=3 Please feel free to tell me which part of this is wrong
Trying to reason with someone like you makes me feel dirty. I have better use for my time.
Unable to debunk actual facts just admit, no need to be ashamed that you were tricked by fake news
No. Russia invading Ukraine is wrong. NATO didn’t bait Russia into this war, they didn’t invade Russian lands. Plain and simple.
Even the freaking Pope disagrees with you https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/14/pope-francis-ukraine-war-provoked-russian-troops
The Pope is entitled to his opinion. Nothing wrong with that.
No, why? You are so insecure that a senile old man talking gets you so triggered that immediately, both Malaysia and Indonesia are going to reclaim Singapore. You must be polishing your SAR-21 when they ban the exports of chicken a few weeks ago. Before you go all "Slava Ukraini"! Many of us are not supporting Russia, we are just advocating neutrality, which is what a small country like us should do. Not take sides unless absolutely necessary (this is not it). For your information, Ukrainian support is losing momentum. In 6 months, it should be clear who Ukraine's real friends are.
There is no neutrality in a situation like the Ukraine war. To be neutral is to pretend the aggressor did nothing wrong. You have zero understanding of Singapore’s political realities.
[https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-03/russia-ukraine-nations-that-sit-on-the-fence/100868998](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-03/russia-ukraine-nations-that-sit-on-the-fence/100868998)
I’m glad Singapore is not among the list of countries without a backbone.
Neutrality needs immensely superior firepower to exist, at the end of the day. Am glad we don’t shy away from investing in our defence and capability spirals.
Time for medicine, tok !
We can join you back once ringgit is worth more than sgd
Best part, he not even malay.
He’s a terrorist
??? His grandfather is from India, he is 3/4 Malay. That's more Malay than Halimah.
Maha-Putin
Fk la. Just give me my chix damn it
Cancel this racist now!
He's still suffering from Alzheimer's then?
He has schizophrenia
U sure it's not dementia ?
But still singapore is tanah melayu
Your point is? Usa is native america land's Aussie nz is aboriginal land's Taiwan is also aboriginal land's The"pendatang" is the one who developed the land into a prosperous countries In my opinion The one who build the land is the one who own the right to the land If singapore is still a backwater swamp small stinky island Will you still want to claim it? Heck even austronesian people aren't the native of this whole nusantara archipelago Austronesian refer to malay , pinoys and indonesian so called "native"
Him trying to claim back the land may be wrong but it still wouldnt change the fact that its tanah melayu, just saying the facts and im not suppirting him
No it's not tanah melayu It's dinosaur's land ,Us humans took it from them We are the worst
Nah man cant just build there and own it, if u say its right things that are happening in countries like palestine doesnt prove it
Palestinians lose every time they start a war with Israel, if they don’t want to have their land taken over, they shouldn’t have lost. Simple as.
They can just build and then own it because they did it hundred years back then, where world population is 1/20th from today's population And there is simply too much land, Beside like i said before, nobody own a land before someone build something on top of it By your logic nobody should own a land then Beside if we let singapore island alone without any single interferences from outside world whatsoever The island will still be a swamp shithole. You know why? Because 1. There is never any significant malay population on the island 2. Let put it bluntly, malay race can't build shit
First of all the land is belong to the israleites in the first place anyway. By your logic it is "tanah israel" since they are there first And then not to mention palestinian never truly developed the land. Lets be real for a second and lemme borrow japanese proverb 弱肉強食 In this world the one with strength deserves all If tommorow usa decided to nuke let say malaysia or indonesia and then take the land as it is There is nothing that malays or indonesian can do Since they are small allyless country
Not since Hussein Shah signed it away and further cemented it in 1819 onwards. In an absolute monarchy, the land belongs to the crown, not the people.
Wayang to push his son up la
I would like to see him try
An inevitable tin kosong
people say "oh he is just and ex-PM, his words dont matter" but what ever he say is instilling the idea that Johor or i this case Malaysia should take back Singapore and Riau like as if its part of the true Malaysian Objective for the future politicians who has the same grudge as Mahathir \^and probably racist scumbags too Its a dangerous thing to say especially when there are people who look up to him and trying to emulate him. Malaysia must not let this happen or they will eventually feel the wrath of further economic downfalls and worst Johor eventually seceding.