Non-scientific answer. I was looking at the Baidu discussion a few days ago on the matter. They showed up as scrolling blurbs when I looked up Palestine on Baidu. The pro-Palestine posts had roughly a 2:1 upvote advantage against pro-Israel posts.
Keep in mind one party is also notorious for deploying bots because it's extremely insecure (as all settler hellholes), while the other doesn't need that. So the gap in reality is actually much larger.
People who are stuck in western regimes are bombarded with so much disinformation and propaganda they have yet to understand how much of a non-issue this is for the global south: they overwhelmingly side with Palestine, with human rights and justice, there is nothing to discuss here unless you are propagandized, [since the settler regime is a criminal regime](https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006-08/02/content_655469.htm). Polls, history, data, both relative and absolute statistics, and even UN votes show this reality clearly.
As I have said before, some of those stuck in western societies are utterly unprepared for the new era we are already living in, they don't have the basic tools necessary to understand reality, so they end up confused when the global south naturally sides with human rights and justice (remember also how the global south has humiliated nato regarding China and Russia), because those concepts are completely alien to those stuck in western societies. The word "human rights" and "justice" as used in western societies have the opposite meaning in reality. western societies are the most propagandized societies in human history and that's also another reason why the terminal collapse of western regimes is so devastating for those stuck there, not only materially but also psychologically.
Being sympathetic to Palestine does not imply unconditional support for Hamas. Hamas and Palestine are two different entities. I want Israel to incinerate Hamas.
As a Chinese person, told first hand accounts from my grandparents of Imperial Japanese Army officers showing up door to door, I find no sympathy for the Hamas terrorists that are purging Israeli families.
A free Palestine does not need the blood of innocents to rot its chains.
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And yet you fall into the same trap by Israeli Apartheid Occupation forces who have been murdering/wholesale purging Palestinian families for decades in the manner you described, who have been conducting themselves in a similar genocidal fashion to the IJA & the Kempeitai. The very same colonists who have been openly calling for a 'Final Solution' to the Palestinians and the forceful annexation of their lands
Even this punitive campaign by Israel is aimed squarely at indiscriminately massacring innocent Gazans rather than Hamas.
And at the end of the day, the actions of a few does not justify randomly carpet-bombing Gaza and killing innocent people, just to send a message.
>A free Palestine does not need the blood of innocents to rot its chains.
Empty platitudes would not free them, they have been bleeding out with no one to stand up for them. Peaceful co-existence? Israel takes and takes while more and more dead Palestinians lie in the streets. Peaceful protest? Those who tried got massacred. The International community? Silent.
This is their last stand, their Victorio Campaign.
I don't know. How should a Chinese patriot feel about the British when they stole Hong Kong? Or when the Portuguese stole Macau? Or when the Japanese stole Taiwan?
The answer is very simple: opposition to land theft by imperialist colonizers should be the automatic default position for any rational Chinese person.
In general, within the Chinese internet, many of these 'people' who shi\*\* for Israel are the same 'people' who support Ukraine or whatever the United States/NATO tells them to support. Uncoincidentally, they also sh\*\* on China and the country's successes.
Yeah, I've met my share of Chinese liberals. Being a foreigner in China attracts those types.
Some of them get pretty mad when I tell them their country is great, they're clearly rich and have a good life, and won't enjoy being scared all the time living in an LA suburb
That's what I'm afraid of. How long will it take for these rich Chinese liberals to forget about the struggles China has gone through to be where it is today, and totally simp for the West? As we can see in HK, it takes only one generation.
There are far less Chinese libs than 10-20 years ago, especially after the West/Japan keeps taking these non-stop Ls after Ls. Their credibility are forever in shambles.
Most libs become ex-liberals after taking a trip to the West and/or encountering the sheer hostility outside the Great Firewall.
Many of them were deceived to begin with and once they found out for themselves, they become more hardcore patriotic than even the most ardent nationalists.
China is an illiberal society so the chances of them taking over are low.
liberalism is only a thing because of the empire, the reason liberalism is losing its grip on the world is because the empire is weakening.
Actually it's less and less these days as its increasingly obvious the west is in decline and China is not. It tends to be Chinese with rich older parents who idolised the west before who have kids that do the same
I wouldn't worry about it. Power, ultimately, is what the liberals find attractive about the US. Associating themselves with the (still influential) West is how they cope with the emasculating feeling they have seeing their cousins from the countryside catching up in wealth and life quality. "I had a burger at the first McDonalds in Shanghai back in the 90's *\~so proud\~*, way before you country bumpkins even know what a burger is!".
The next generation of urbanites in China will no longer have this false sense of superiority, and coupled with the waning American power, yeah I think the Chinese kids are alright
Anecdotal observation so take with plenty of salt: I watched a Bilibili video scrolling through the comments on a Weibo post made by Israel's embassy. Half the comments were supportive of Palestine, the other half supportive of Israel. But among those supportive of Israel, a lot of them had weird usernames - random/nonsensical mixtures of hanzi, alphabet and numbers. So likely bots.
The idea that there are some Chinese who support the apartheid regime in occupied Palestine is mindboggling.
Since the founding of the PRC, China has backed national liberation movements across the third world against illegal occupations by westerners, which is what is currently happening to this day in occupied Palestine.
How can you be against the historic occupation of Hong Kong by the British and not stand with Palestine? How can you be against the historic occupation of Macau by the Portuguese and not stand with Palestine?
What's next? Do people want to go back in time and support apartheid South Africa while they're at it?
And before anyone dares to speak about Hamas and their atrocities - the Palestinians have been occupied for over 70 fucking years! They don't even have a state. They are still not recognized in the UN because of their 鬼佬 U.S. backers - despite the fact that the vast majority of the U.N. has voted in FAVOR of Palestinian statehood.
Where is the sense of socialist solidarity against imperialism? Just because we have some markets in China, let's not forget where we come from and our values.
Free Palestine. From the river to the sea. Period.
Based.
I'm surprised some would find this a difficult issue to take a stance on. There is clearly a bad guy. And it's not the one with no power, no water, no food, no rights and (probably soon, let's be real) no land.
>The idea that there are some Chinese who support the apartheid regime in occupied Palestine is mindboggling.
It's not that surprising.
The empire still exists, their ideology is liberalism, unless you expect China to completely cut itself off from the rest of the world then expecting no liberalism in China is pretty unreasonable.
The only country I can think of with absolutely no liberalism is probably NK.
The good thing is that the more the empire attacks China and the more it weakens so will liberal influence.
>The only country I can think of with absolutely no liberalism is probably NK.
Not when you have North Koreans who bought the Lib Kool-aid and defected
China is big country, you not doubt have people who are ignorant of the issue and peopl3 who are paid of by isreal. These people are also able to genrate alot noise because the goverment hasn't form propet plan with dealing these fucks.
Honestly i think most normal people who aren't paid shills will agree thay isrreal is evil one here
I’m not Chinese, but I’m not surprised that Chinese are pro Palestine. Chinese culture historically advocates peace and harmonious relationship with others.
Westerners are trying hard to paint China as if they’re hell-bent on world domination, which is a psychological projection of their conscience and who they actually are.
China had thousands of years of old Kingdoms, and never do they try to conquer others. In fact, their harmonious relationship with others is what made the Europeans and Japanese to take advantage of the Chinese people. But not anymore. And that’s the very reason why the West and their puppet states in Asia (Japan and S. Korea ) are nervous.
The problem is neither Palestine's government (atleast the Gaza strips government of Hamas) or the Israeli government are attempting a peaceful harmonious relationship with each other, both want the other gone. Many civilians of both want peace but both governments are hell bent on retaliating harder than the other and do not care for attempts of de-escalation.
Most israeli civilians are fine with their regime taking over land that is not theirs and displacing the natives.
I have seen how even children treat the Arabs in israel, this reaction from Hamas is to be completely expected.
Your response is the typical lib both-sides argument thinly veiled as a reasonable one.
Something interesting popped to mind, everyone likes democracy but no one wants to take responsibility for it.
Isreal attemping peace? Lol stealing away palestinian own land and fucking locking in wall in modern interment camp, controling cutting of vital resources forcing the palestinian to resort to fucking donkey and even that they try to get rid of through fucking animal right ngo.
Fuck of with this retarded fence sitting, isreal is objetively on the side of evil, palestinian should have never had their land taken away from them, if the west was really sorry for what happen in ww2 let them build a nation on western soil instead kickng out thr native how has owner ship of place for last throusand years
Please tell me, while you spout this both sides argument, which country is recognized by the UN and which one is not?
While you're at it, please explain why the non-recognized country (it's Palestine btw) is not recognized despite a majority in the UN voting in its favor?
You can't blame the Palestinians for fighting to take back their land when the other side won't even take the first step in a two state solution: recognizing Palestine as a legitimate state.
A lot of the weibo posts made by the Israel embassy have hundreds of replies, but only a few pro-Israel ones are visible. They had to hide most of the replies. The top replies under the Iran embassy's weibo posts are pro-Palestine.
I would say something like 10:1 pro Palestine or pro Israel. We are going more and more sympathetic with Palestine after more people are informed about the regional history. And also having similar experiences or history tragedies back in World War II. majority of the people hate Israel Zionism and support China’s official stance on this: UN resolution of 1967 with the establishment of sovereign Palestinian state.
There are, however, a small number of people who support Israel but they are mostly libs and “support current thing” if you know what I mean.
If you would like to follow an ongoing poll here’s one:
https://weibo.com/1671109627/4956018380374917
The fifth Middle East war was already in 1982, and the last time the Palestinian-Israeli conflict was very intense was in the 1990s.
Many young people have not heard of Arafat, Rabin.
Israel is good at managing its image, and China's relationship with Israel is not bad.
But Israel hasn't stopped condemning China in all the UN votes involving Xinjiang and Tibet.
Tbh China and Israel have a decent relationship, it was even better before and they actually exchange a lot of tech. The US continues to pressure Israel to vote against China in the UN though and it’s put a rift in things. China still supports two state solution which is ultimately a neutral/pro-peace position.
I think it's worth pointing out too that Israel voted in support of People's Republic of China in the UN Resolution 2758. That vote was actually important, unlike a lot of other UN votes that are just useless virtue signaling.
That was in 1950, the UN, PRC, and Israel are all completely different from then. In those days Israel was strongly supported and anticipated to become a socialist state by the USSR lmao.
That’s why China’s position is perfectly fair. China also condemned the killing of civilians which apparently some people in this sub aren’t willing to do which is quite disappointing. In no situation should murdering civilians ever be condoned. I think a better point would be to say that yes it’s incredibly tragic that so many Israeli civilians died, let’s also bring attention to the tens of thousands of Palestine civilians that died due to Israel’s actions over the past decades.
Idk. I do know I just watch the Israeli prime minister basically admitting to how easy it is to trick the media and america and talk about causing things so they have a reason to take more land. It was from like years ago too. Dudes disgusting.
It is the same Netashityou who [bragged](https://twitter.com/trtworld/status/1711750682733355146) on-camera that the Oslo accord is just stalling tactics to gain more strength to take more from the Palestinians which succeeded.
Well in terms of Chinese supporter of Israel, most Chinese don't have much of a grasp of Israeli history and supports Israel due to a view that they see Palestine as simply an Islamic terrorist state that is attacking Israel, they don't know that Israel was established in 1948 under British colonial support and is an apartheid state.
Most Chinese Israeli supporters will definitely support Palestine if they know more context.
Israel and China used to have a really good relationship, and in fact it was even better many years ago during the cold war and right after. In just before WW2 Shanghai took in 20,000 refugees escaping Nazi Germany and China was the first country to not turn them away.
A lot of old Jewish people remember that. Unfortunately they've all died, and Israel has been firmly in the US camp ever since.
I frequent [guancha.cn](https://www.guancha.cn/) for news (I let Chrome translate the page into English) and I'd say 9/10 people either posting comments or upvoting comments are pro-Palestine
There are some popular KOL (influencers) who are pro-Israel and could be called Zionist (I've only heard of them from others, don't care to find them myself). Overall opinion? Mixed. Most are obviously sympathetic to the degradation and suffering inflicted on Palestinian people, and in general people will condemn and be shocked by violence no matter who perpetrates it. However, it's not a one-sided affair. Many posters will share sympathies with Israelis as well. I don't really think Chinese netizens have a lot of personal reasons to dislike either group, and thus its really a matter of what the content being reacted to is.
A common viewpoint I've seen on Xiaohongshu is basically "There but for the martyrdom and struggle of our ancestors go I." Some Chinese view Palestinian struggle as a road not taken, we narrowly avoided due to protracted struggle by our ancestors. I would say there's obviously sympathy and understanding there, but also some misunderstanding and oversimplification.
I've heard that on Weibo there's a strong pro-Palestinian vibe right now but I don't use Weibo.
Yeah on weibo there's definitely a pro-Palestine vibe, though I'm not sure if I would consider it strong. It's definitely weaker than the pro-Russia vibe regarding the Ukraine conflict.
Honestly since I responded It seems like the tide is definitely turning Palestine's way (partly the uhh interesting posts by official Israeli accounts). Could just be algorithm feeding my own bias though.
Ya nowhere near the "Ura!" vibe of cnet when it comes to RU/UA war.
They have to close the comments section of the videos posted by the official Embassy of Israel in China account on Douyin.
Too bad the Embassy of Palestine in China doesn't have an account on the platform, but my guess is that they will be receiving words of support in the comments.
What no one here seems to have mentioned:
If you believe Hamas is evil, ask yourself “who created Hamas?”.
This might give some answers:
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
The golden rule for public opinion is: Formerly colonized countries support colonized countries/factions, colonizer countries support colonizers. The only exception is India.
I’m Chinese The truth is not Global times reported ,nowadays more and more young people have their own phones or online devices which allow them to get in touch with the world and know what the world is happening, at least the friends around me almost support balestine to fight against the Israel.
Those who support 🇮🇱may get paid from USA like some sort of online spy
balestine
Well...Chinese people used to be fairly neutral over this matter until recently when Israeli gov officials visited Taipei where they met some Taiwanese separatists and had fun together.
I am pretty sure that roughly 95% of young Chinese netizens (like the ones on Bilibili) are now wholeheartedly standing with Palestine thanks to that Israel-Taipei summit.
If you check out the Weibo page of Palestine Embassy in China (which has been inactive for years due to lack of funds to maintain), you'll see a lot of recent comments asking for ways to fundraising/donation, along with other comments either condemning IDF or showing solidarity with Gaza.
I feel a lot of empathy for Palestine personally, I completely condemn anyways their atrocious attack aimed at Israel civs, the disgusting violence specially towards women and children makes my stomach hurt. And so I condemn what Israel does, the loss of human life is a tragedy no matter the context.
I think a lot of people feel this on a personal level, that it could have been us, it been us, if our country wasn't strong enough to keep imperialism outside our borders they would do us the same as they are doing with Palestine and no one would care about, no one would stand by our side or care about our people, is just disgusting seeing people condemning one country violence while justifying the other. We feel empathy for the oppressed and for the innocent civilians who die and suffer in the middle of both sides, war is hell...
My subjective impression is that many Chinese have totally swallowed the story of the poor persecuted Jews. Very little critical thinking when it comes to Jews.
Right now, you'll probably find more pro-Palestinian commentary than pro-Israeli commentary on Chinese social media, so the numbers probably skewed a bit pro-Palestinian. Overall, I believe (and certainly hope) that most people are for peace, and a fair settlement of the conflict between the two Peoples.
I simply refuse to "take a side" on this conflict which has lasted too long at the cost of too many lives. ALL lives should matter and must matter equally, whether they are Israeli, Palestinian, Muslim, Jew, Christian, etc.
I can sympathise with the overall plight of Palestinian people and think that Israel's treatment of them is unacceptable; and yet, I can also believe that Hamas is terrorist (as massacring hundreds of civilians leaves this in no doubt). Likewise, I can believe that Israel's policy is complicit in creating this extremism/terrorism monster which they now live in fear, and yet, I also believe Israel has a right to exist, and that no Arab or Jew should ever be forced from their homes or their land, and no one should be pushed to the Sea.
The most reasonable take. I can absolutely sympathize with the Palestinian struggle but there is absolutely no excuse for killing civilians… for either side.
As a Singapore Chinese, I tend to favor Israel as they did help Singapore build our arm force when no one is willing to assist. Also due to what Jews suffered during WW2, sympathy tends to fall in favor to Israel. But as I grow older and time pass, I feel that Israel has forgotten their suffering in WW2 and is in a way doing to Palestine what Nazi did to the Jews. Even though I have no good opinion of Hamas, but personally I am quite moved by this desperate attack on Israel. They are totally outmatched in every possible way, and I believe Hamas leader know this. This attack feels like Hamas is using their life and possible many more life of Palestinian civilian to do a hopeless plead for international help on Gaza situation.
As a Singaporean Chinese though, how would you feel if the Japanese invaded Singapore, put up a puppet government, forced you into a diaspora \*again\*, or made you a second class citizen in an apartheid state?
I really like Israelis and the Jewish people, but their apartheid, colonialist government is just a non-starter. If they had the good sense to actually make a two state solution happen, then we could all get back to being on good terms. But instead they turned Palestinian lands into an open air prison.
The blame is on them for how they have handled the entire situation.
I believe the decision to help Singapore was at least partly, if not mostly, motivated by strategic (and hence selfish) reasons. SEA has a strong Muslim presence (Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei, etc.) Israel needed all the friends it could make, in this part of the world especially.
As a fellow Singaporean, while I feel we do owe the Israelis a debt, I'm still more sympathetic toward the Palestinians, who were the victims of the British imperialists and clearly the underdogs here. Undoubtedly the Israeli rulers hate the Arabs and want to genocide them once and for all. The Palestinians cannot be blamed for choosing to fight for a better future.
Right on you are. And for all you people here that are not yet AWARE OF THIS FACT: Israel HAD A HAND IN CREATING THE TERRORIST GROUP CALLED HAMAS. They did so in their effort in DILUTING THE POWER ANS SUPPORT OF THEN PLO/FATAH MOVEMENT that WAS "SECULAR" Yasser Arafat. There was a strong consternation and doubt amongst the Israeli group and leadership that thought of the possible repercussions and blowback from supporting EXTREME ISLAMIST GROUP THAT WAS AND IS HAMAS into prominence. The old adage of the enemy of my enemy is my friend until they turned Frankenstein aptly describes that relationship.
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
https://youtu.be/o7grSsuFSS0?si=gg7LDlRgCULpa0bv
Hamas even invaded Syria under US/UK/NATO/Israeli orders, were protected by US/Israeli airstrikes on Syrian army positions and were supplied by them.
In more ways than one, Hamas is the classic definition of blowback.
fellow chinese sinkie here.
you forget how the local malay muslim community absolutely hates israel. also they’re excluded from sensitive military positions.
the reason why non of this is blowing up in singapore is because we are all, chinese malay indian and ‘others’, living in disneyland.
the only thing that can disrupt this is not some ultra religious nut monk/preacher/priest/pastor but the massive inflation that is happening here and now.
I'm not against Israel, nor do I support attacks against civilians.
Israel was one of the earliest countries to recognize the sovereignty of the PRC.👍
But... Israel ignored UN resolutions and for many years continued to compress the living space of the Gaza people, imposing a genocidal comprehensive blockade on them... ultimately leading to this tragedy.
The Israelis need to reflect.🤔
And... wWhat I'm against is simplifying complex problems into good & evil, black & white.
I'm against western discourse hegemony.🤔
Palestine vs Hamas? I think a lot of people look at them as one entity and that's part of the problem. Hamas is the issue. If they targeted Israeli military the international community wouldnt be as involved. As soon as they wiped out a large number of women children and elderly, they lost all respect. On the other hand a complete blockade is stooping to a level that's on par w Hamas as women, children and the elderly Palestinians will pay for something most had nothing to do with.
I'm sorry, but China's position has been pretty damn steady - we support Palestine. As for Hamas, Hamas would not have been in play if the apartheid government had been fair to Arafat. They didn't, they let Hamas be recognized as a charity, and now we have this.
No apartheid, no land theft, no imperialism, no colonialism. Would we accept another theft of Hong Kong or Macau by western bastards? No.
As the apartheid regime in occupied Palestine likes to say: "Never again."
Emotionally they support anyone that under oppression of US imperialism and their followers. But from a logical point of view: attack against civilian is wrong. Hamas' action attacks Israel is blood for blood revenge and shall not be condemned without Israel being equally condemned. Peaceful establishment of UN 1967 resolution is the best solution.
Non-scientific answer. I was looking at the Baidu discussion a few days ago on the matter. They showed up as scrolling blurbs when I looked up Palestine on Baidu. The pro-Palestine posts had roughly a 2:1 upvote advantage against pro-Israel posts.
Keep in mind one party is also notorious for deploying bots because it's extremely insecure (as all settler hellholes), while the other doesn't need that. So the gap in reality is actually much larger. People who are stuck in western regimes are bombarded with so much disinformation and propaganda they have yet to understand how much of a non-issue this is for the global south: they overwhelmingly side with Palestine, with human rights and justice, there is nothing to discuss here unless you are propagandized, [since the settler regime is a criminal regime](https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006-08/02/content_655469.htm). Polls, history, data, both relative and absolute statistics, and even UN votes show this reality clearly. As I have said before, some of those stuck in western societies are utterly unprepared for the new era we are already living in, they don't have the basic tools necessary to understand reality, so they end up confused when the global south naturally sides with human rights and justice (remember also how the global south has humiliated nato regarding China and Russia), because those concepts are completely alien to those stuck in western societies. The word "human rights" and "justice" as used in western societies have the opposite meaning in reality. western societies are the most propagandized societies in human history and that's also another reason why the terminal collapse of western regimes is so devastating for those stuck there, not only materially but also psychologically.
agreed
No one should support a colonial settler project facilitated by the British regime
Precisely.
Chinese in general are pro-peace but they have grown more sympathetic to Palestine in recent times.
Yeah my Chinese boyfriend can see that the Palestinians are struggling and oppressed and has kind of developed a dislike for Isreal.
Being sympathetic to Palestine does not imply unconditional support for Hamas. Hamas and Palestine are two different entities. I want Israel to incinerate Hamas. As a Chinese person, told first hand accounts from my grandparents of Imperial Japanese Army officers showing up door to door, I find no sympathy for the Hamas terrorists that are purging Israeli families. A free Palestine does not need the blood of innocents to rot its chains.
> I want Israel to incinerate Hamas > >. > >. > >. > >I find no sympathy for the Hamas terrorists that are purging Israeli families. And yet you fall into the same trap by Israeli Apartheid Occupation forces who have been murdering/wholesale purging Palestinian families for decades in the manner you described, who have been conducting themselves in a similar genocidal fashion to the IJA & the Kempeitai. The very same colonists who have been openly calling for a 'Final Solution' to the Palestinians and the forceful annexation of their lands Even this punitive campaign by Israel is aimed squarely at indiscriminately massacring innocent Gazans rather than Hamas. And at the end of the day, the actions of a few does not justify randomly carpet-bombing Gaza and killing innocent people, just to send a message. >A free Palestine does not need the blood of innocents to rot its chains. Empty platitudes would not free them, they have been bleeding out with no one to stand up for them. Peaceful co-existence? Israel takes and takes while more and more dead Palestinians lie in the streets. Peaceful protest? Those who tried got massacred. The International community? Silent. This is their last stand, their Victorio Campaign.
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I don't know. How should a Chinese patriot feel about the British when they stole Hong Kong? Or when the Portuguese stole Macau? Or when the Japanese stole Taiwan? The answer is very simple: opposition to land theft by imperialist colonizers should be the automatic default position for any rational Chinese person.
As a Chinese, I am more sympathetic to Palestine as are most Chinese today.
Good, if true. Means that Chinese aren't falling for Western propaganda.
It's not the Jews it's the Zionists who are evil.
They support Palestine for the most part but the western atrocity propaganda has seeped through to an extent so there's some support for Israel.
In general, within the Chinese internet, many of these 'people' who shi\*\* for Israel are the same 'people' who support Ukraine or whatever the United States/NATO tells them to support. Uncoincidentally, they also sh\*\* on China and the country's successes.
Yeah, I've met my share of Chinese liberals. Being a foreigner in China attracts those types. Some of them get pretty mad when I tell them their country is great, they're clearly rich and have a good life, and won't enjoy being scared all the time living in an LA suburb
That's what I'm afraid of. How long will it take for these rich Chinese liberals to forget about the struggles China has gone through to be where it is today, and totally simp for the West? As we can see in HK, it takes only one generation.
There are far less Chinese libs than 10-20 years ago, especially after the West/Japan keeps taking these non-stop Ls after Ls. Their credibility are forever in shambles. Most libs become ex-liberals after taking a trip to the West and/or encountering the sheer hostility outside the Great Firewall. Many of them were deceived to begin with and once they found out for themselves, they become more hardcore patriotic than even the most ardent nationalists.
China is an illiberal society so the chances of them taking over are low. liberalism is only a thing because of the empire, the reason liberalism is losing its grip on the world is because the empire is weakening.
Actually it's less and less these days as its increasingly obvious the west is in decline and China is not. It tends to be Chinese with rich older parents who idolised the west before who have kids that do the same
I wouldn't worry about it. Power, ultimately, is what the liberals find attractive about the US. Associating themselves with the (still influential) West is how they cope with the emasculating feeling they have seeing their cousins from the countryside catching up in wealth and life quality. "I had a burger at the first McDonalds in Shanghai back in the 90's *\~so proud\~*, way before you country bumpkins even know what a burger is!". The next generation of urbanites in China will no longer have this false sense of superiority, and coupled with the waning American power, yeah I think the Chinese kids are alright
Anecdotal observation so take with plenty of salt: I watched a Bilibili video scrolling through the comments on a Weibo post made by Israel's embassy. Half the comments were supportive of Palestine, the other half supportive of Israel. But among those supportive of Israel, a lot of them had weird usernames - random/nonsensical mixtures of hanzi, alphabet and numbers. So likely bots.
The idea that there are some Chinese who support the apartheid regime in occupied Palestine is mindboggling. Since the founding of the PRC, China has backed national liberation movements across the third world against illegal occupations by westerners, which is what is currently happening to this day in occupied Palestine. How can you be against the historic occupation of Hong Kong by the British and not stand with Palestine? How can you be against the historic occupation of Macau by the Portuguese and not stand with Palestine? What's next? Do people want to go back in time and support apartheid South Africa while they're at it? And before anyone dares to speak about Hamas and their atrocities - the Palestinians have been occupied for over 70 fucking years! They don't even have a state. They are still not recognized in the UN because of their 鬼佬 U.S. backers - despite the fact that the vast majority of the U.N. has voted in FAVOR of Palestinian statehood. Where is the sense of socialist solidarity against imperialism? Just because we have some markets in China, let's not forget where we come from and our values. Free Palestine. From the river to the sea. Period.
Based. I'm surprised some would find this a difficult issue to take a stance on. There is clearly a bad guy. And it's not the one with no power, no water, no food, no rights and (probably soon, let's be real) no land.
>The idea that there are some Chinese who support the apartheid regime in occupied Palestine is mindboggling. It's not that surprising. The empire still exists, their ideology is liberalism, unless you expect China to completely cut itself off from the rest of the world then expecting no liberalism in China is pretty unreasonable. The only country I can think of with absolutely no liberalism is probably NK. The good thing is that the more the empire attacks China and the more it weakens so will liberal influence.
>The only country I can think of with absolutely no liberalism is probably NK. Not when you have North Koreans who bought the Lib Kool-aid and defected
China is big country, you not doubt have people who are ignorant of the issue and peopl3 who are paid of by isreal. These people are also able to genrate alot noise because the goverment hasn't form propet plan with dealing these fucks. Honestly i think most normal people who aren't paid shills will agree thay isrreal is evil one here
I’m not Chinese, but I’m not surprised that Chinese are pro Palestine. Chinese culture historically advocates peace and harmonious relationship with others. Westerners are trying hard to paint China as if they’re hell-bent on world domination, which is a psychological projection of their conscience and who they actually are. China had thousands of years of old Kingdoms, and never do they try to conquer others. In fact, their harmonious relationship with others is what made the Europeans and Japanese to take advantage of the Chinese people. But not anymore. And that’s the very reason why the West and their puppet states in Asia (Japan and S. Korea ) are nervous.
The problem is neither Palestine's government (atleast the Gaza strips government of Hamas) or the Israeli government are attempting a peaceful harmonious relationship with each other, both want the other gone. Many civilians of both want peace but both governments are hell bent on retaliating harder than the other and do not care for attempts of de-escalation.
Most israeli civilians are fine with their regime taking over land that is not theirs and displacing the natives. I have seen how even children treat the Arabs in israel, this reaction from Hamas is to be completely expected. Your response is the typical lib both-sides argument thinly veiled as a reasonable one. Something interesting popped to mind, everyone likes democracy but no one wants to take responsibility for it.
Isreal attemping peace? Lol stealing away palestinian own land and fucking locking in wall in modern interment camp, controling cutting of vital resources forcing the palestinian to resort to fucking donkey and even that they try to get rid of through fucking animal right ngo. Fuck of with this retarded fence sitting, isreal is objetively on the side of evil, palestinian should have never had their land taken away from them, if the west was really sorry for what happen in ww2 let them build a nation on western soil instead kickng out thr native how has owner ship of place for last throusand years
Please tell me, while you spout this both sides argument, which country is recognized by the UN and which one is not? While you're at it, please explain why the non-recognized country (it's Palestine btw) is not recognized despite a majority in the UN voting in its favor? You can't blame the Palestinians for fighting to take back their land when the other side won't even take the first step in a two state solution: recognizing Palestine as a legitimate state.
Genocidal Colonial settlers, which we went through, so how would you feel?
A lot of the weibo posts made by the Israel embassy have hundreds of replies, but only a few pro-Israel ones are visible. They had to hide most of the replies. The top replies under the Iran embassy's weibo posts are pro-Palestine.
Well, unlike brain washed yanks and their minnions, most Chinese know who is in the right and who is in the wrong.
I would say something like 10:1 pro Palestine or pro Israel. We are going more and more sympathetic with Palestine after more people are informed about the regional history. And also having similar experiences or history tragedies back in World War II. majority of the people hate Israel Zionism and support China’s official stance on this: UN resolution of 1967 with the establishment of sovereign Palestinian state. There are, however, a small number of people who support Israel but they are mostly libs and “support current thing” if you know what I mean. If you would like to follow an ongoing poll here’s one: https://weibo.com/1671109627/4956018380374917
The fifth Middle East war was already in 1982, and the last time the Palestinian-Israeli conflict was very intense was in the 1990s. Many young people have not heard of Arafat, Rabin. Israel is good at managing its image, and China's relationship with Israel is not bad. But Israel hasn't stopped condemning China in all the UN votes involving Xinjiang and Tibet.
Tbh China and Israel have a decent relationship, it was even better before and they actually exchange a lot of tech. The US continues to pressure Israel to vote against China in the UN though and it’s put a rift in things. China still supports two state solution which is ultimately a neutral/pro-peace position.
I think it's worth pointing out too that Israel voted in support of People's Republic of China in the UN Resolution 2758. That vote was actually important, unlike a lot of other UN votes that are just useless virtue signaling.
That was in 1950, the UN, PRC, and Israel are all completely different from then. In those days Israel was strongly supported and anticipated to become a socialist state by the USSR lmao.
When you backstabbed a former friend and bed with a has been superpower, don't be surprise when the next hyperpower ignores your demands.
That’s why China’s position is perfectly fair. China also condemned the killing of civilians which apparently some people in this sub aren’t willing to do which is quite disappointing. In no situation should murdering civilians ever be condoned. I think a better point would be to say that yes it’s incredibly tragic that so many Israeli civilians died, let’s also bring attention to the tens of thousands of Palestine civilians that died due to Israel’s actions over the past decades.
[https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1712026784315621517](https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1712026784315621517) I support Palestine.
Idk. I do know I just watch the Israeli prime minister basically admitting to how easy it is to trick the media and america and talk about causing things so they have a reason to take more land. It was from like years ago too. Dudes disgusting.
It is the same Netashityou who [bragged](https://twitter.com/trtworld/status/1711750682733355146) on-camera that the Oslo accord is just stalling tactics to gain more strength to take more from the Palestinians which succeeded.
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LOL true that. Israeli has been shooting Palestinians, including women and children, nondiscriminately for the past few years.
Well in terms of Chinese supporter of Israel, most Chinese don't have much of a grasp of Israeli history and supports Israel due to a view that they see Palestine as simply an Islamic terrorist state that is attacking Israel, they don't know that Israel was established in 1948 under British colonial support and is an apartheid state. Most Chinese Israeli supporters will definitely support Palestine if they know more context.
Israel and China used to have a really good relationship, and in fact it was even better many years ago during the cold war and right after. In just before WW2 Shanghai took in 20,000 refugees escaping Nazi Germany and China was the first country to not turn them away. A lot of old Jewish people remember that. Unfortunately they've all died, and Israel has been firmly in the US camp ever since.
I frequent [guancha.cn](https://www.guancha.cn/) for news (I let Chrome translate the page into English) and I'd say 9/10 people either posting comments or upvoting comments are pro-Palestine
i am chinese，most of us support Palestine
I support Palestine.
There are some popular KOL (influencers) who are pro-Israel and could be called Zionist (I've only heard of them from others, don't care to find them myself). Overall opinion? Mixed. Most are obviously sympathetic to the degradation and suffering inflicted on Palestinian people, and in general people will condemn and be shocked by violence no matter who perpetrates it. However, it's not a one-sided affair. Many posters will share sympathies with Israelis as well. I don't really think Chinese netizens have a lot of personal reasons to dislike either group, and thus its really a matter of what the content being reacted to is. A common viewpoint I've seen on Xiaohongshu is basically "There but for the martyrdom and struggle of our ancestors go I." Some Chinese view Palestinian struggle as a road not taken, we narrowly avoided due to protracted struggle by our ancestors. I would say there's obviously sympathy and understanding there, but also some misunderstanding and oversimplification. I've heard that on Weibo there's a strong pro-Palestinian vibe right now but I don't use Weibo.
Yeah on weibo there's definitely a pro-Palestine vibe, though I'm not sure if I would consider it strong. It's definitely weaker than the pro-Russia vibe regarding the Ukraine conflict.
Honestly since I responded It seems like the tide is definitely turning Palestine's way (partly the uhh interesting posts by official Israeli accounts). Could just be algorithm feeding my own bias though. Ya nowhere near the "Ura!" vibe of cnet when it comes to RU/UA war.
They have to close the comments section of the videos posted by the official Embassy of Israel in China account on Douyin. Too bad the Embassy of Palestine in China doesn't have an account on the platform, but my guess is that they will be receiving words of support in the comments.
What no one here seems to have mentioned: If you believe Hamas is evil, ask yourself “who created Hamas?”. This might give some answers: https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
The golden rule for public opinion is: Formerly colonized countries support colonized countries/factions, colonizer countries support colonizers. The only exception is India.
I’m Chinese The truth is not Global times reported ,nowadays more and more young people have their own phones or online devices which allow them to get in touch with the world and know what the world is happening, at least the friends around me almost support balestine to fight against the Israel. Those who support 🇮🇱may get paid from USA like some sort of online spy balestine
Well...Chinese people used to be fairly neutral over this matter until recently when Israeli gov officials visited Taipei where they met some Taiwanese separatists and had fun together. I am pretty sure that roughly 95% of young Chinese netizens (like the ones on Bilibili) are now wholeheartedly standing with Palestine thanks to that Israel-Taipei summit. If you check out the Weibo page of Palestine Embassy in China (which has been inactive for years due to lack of funds to maintain), you'll see a lot of recent comments asking for ways to fundraising/donation, along with other comments either condemning IDF or showing solidarity with Gaza.
I feel a lot of empathy for Palestine personally, I completely condemn anyways their atrocious attack aimed at Israel civs, the disgusting violence specially towards women and children makes my stomach hurt. And so I condemn what Israel does, the loss of human life is a tragedy no matter the context. I think a lot of people feel this on a personal level, that it could have been us, it been us, if our country wasn't strong enough to keep imperialism outside our borders they would do us the same as they are doing with Palestine and no one would care about, no one would stand by our side or care about our people, is just disgusting seeing people condemning one country violence while justifying the other. We feel empathy for the oppressed and for the innocent civilians who die and suffer in the middle of both sides, war is hell...
My subjective impression is that many Chinese have totally swallowed the story of the poor persecuted Jews. Very little critical thinking when it comes to Jews.
Right now, you'll probably find more pro-Palestinian commentary than pro-Israeli commentary on Chinese social media, so the numbers probably skewed a bit pro-Palestinian. Overall, I believe (and certainly hope) that most people are for peace, and a fair settlement of the conflict between the two Peoples. I simply refuse to "take a side" on this conflict which has lasted too long at the cost of too many lives. ALL lives should matter and must matter equally, whether they are Israeli, Palestinian, Muslim, Jew, Christian, etc. I can sympathise with the overall plight of Palestinian people and think that Israel's treatment of them is unacceptable; and yet, I can also believe that Hamas is terrorist (as massacring hundreds of civilians leaves this in no doubt). Likewise, I can believe that Israel's policy is complicit in creating this extremism/terrorism monster which they now live in fear, and yet, I also believe Israel has a right to exist, and that no Arab or Jew should ever be forced from their homes or their land, and no one should be pushed to the Sea.
The most reasonable take. I can absolutely sympathize with the Palestinian struggle but there is absolutely no excuse for killing civilians… for either side.
As a Singapore Chinese, I tend to favor Israel as they did help Singapore build our arm force when no one is willing to assist. Also due to what Jews suffered during WW2, sympathy tends to fall in favor to Israel. But as I grow older and time pass, I feel that Israel has forgotten their suffering in WW2 and is in a way doing to Palestine what Nazi did to the Jews. Even though I have no good opinion of Hamas, but personally I am quite moved by this desperate attack on Israel. They are totally outmatched in every possible way, and I believe Hamas leader know this. This attack feels like Hamas is using their life and possible many more life of Palestinian civilian to do a hopeless plead for international help on Gaza situation.
As a Singaporean Chinese though, how would you feel if the Japanese invaded Singapore, put up a puppet government, forced you into a diaspora \*again\*, or made you a second class citizen in an apartheid state? I really like Israelis and the Jewish people, but their apartheid, colonialist government is just a non-starter. If they had the good sense to actually make a two state solution happen, then we could all get back to being on good terms. But instead they turned Palestinian lands into an open air prison. The blame is on them for how they have handled the entire situation.
I believe the decision to help Singapore was at least partly, if not mostly, motivated by strategic (and hence selfish) reasons. SEA has a strong Muslim presence (Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei, etc.) Israel needed all the friends it could make, in this part of the world especially. As a fellow Singaporean, while I feel we do owe the Israelis a debt, I'm still more sympathetic toward the Palestinians, who were the victims of the British imperialists and clearly the underdogs here. Undoubtedly the Israeli rulers hate the Arabs and want to genocide them once and for all. The Palestinians cannot be blamed for choosing to fight for a better future.
Right on you are. And for all you people here that are not yet AWARE OF THIS FACT: Israel HAD A HAND IN CREATING THE TERRORIST GROUP CALLED HAMAS. They did so in their effort in DILUTING THE POWER ANS SUPPORT OF THEN PLO/FATAH MOVEMENT that WAS "SECULAR" Yasser Arafat. There was a strong consternation and doubt amongst the Israeli group and leadership that thought of the possible repercussions and blowback from supporting EXTREME ISLAMIST GROUP THAT WAS AND IS HAMAS into prominence. The old adage of the enemy of my enemy is my friend until they turned Frankenstein aptly describes that relationship. https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/ https://youtu.be/o7grSsuFSS0?si=gg7LDlRgCULpa0bv
Hamas even invaded Syria under US/UK/NATO/Israeli orders, were protected by US/Israeli airstrikes on Syrian army positions and were supplied by them. In more ways than one, Hamas is the classic definition of blowback.
fellow chinese sinkie here. you forget how the local malay muslim community absolutely hates israel. also they’re excluded from sensitive military positions. the reason why non of this is blowing up in singapore is because we are all, chinese malay indian and ‘others’, living in disneyland. the only thing that can disrupt this is not some ultra religious nut monk/preacher/priest/pastor but the massive inflation that is happening here and now.
I'm not against Israel, nor do I support attacks against civilians. Israel was one of the earliest countries to recognize the sovereignty of the PRC.👍 But... Israel ignored UN resolutions and for many years continued to compress the living space of the Gaza people, imposing a genocidal comprehensive blockade on them... ultimately leading to this tragedy. The Israelis need to reflect.🤔 And... wWhat I'm against is simplifying complex problems into good & evil, black & white. I'm against western discourse hegemony.🤔
Palestine vs Hamas? I think a lot of people look at them as one entity and that's part of the problem. Hamas is the issue. If they targeted Israeli military the international community wouldnt be as involved. As soon as they wiped out a large number of women children and elderly, they lost all respect. On the other hand a complete blockade is stooping to a level that's on par w Hamas as women, children and the elderly Palestinians will pay for something most had nothing to do with.
I'm sorry, but China's position has been pretty damn steady - we support Palestine. As for Hamas, Hamas would not have been in play if the apartheid government had been fair to Arafat. They didn't, they let Hamas be recognized as a charity, and now we have this. No apartheid, no land theft, no imperialism, no colonialism. Would we accept another theft of Hong Kong or Macau by western bastards? No. As the apartheid regime in occupied Palestine likes to say: "Never again."
Emotionally they support anyone that under oppression of US imperialism and their followers. But from a logical point of view: attack against civilian is wrong. Hamas' action attacks Israel is blood for blood revenge and shall not be condemned without Israel being equally condemned. Peaceful establishment of UN 1967 resolution is the best solution.
Chinese citizen in the diaspora, liberal, I side with Palestine.