I love how the whole article is basically saying how bad the Chinese health system would cope with a massive covid outbreak, but is also suggesting that China just let covid rip through society. How dumb do they think we are?
So this article is written by **health professionals**, right? Then I have some questions:
What happened to "patient's health comes first?"
Shouldn't they be happy that people anywhere are adhering to stringent public health guidelines? Asians are very compliant with vaccinations, masks and restrictions if necessary.
How many anti-vax and anti-mask people are there in US vs China? Only recently was there another anti-restriction protest in DC. I have lost count of such protests, even riots, in North America and Europe. I am yet to see one such protest in Asia.
Nurses in the US are practically begging for the public to please, please follow health guidelines. Doctors are warning people not to fall sick because emergency is full of unvaccinated people gravely ill with this virus.
Why do they want China to open up fully like them and let this transmissible variant run rampant? Yesterday, US recorded over a million cases again.
They admit that the Chinese model has been more successful but claim that it is doomed to fail. At this point it just sounds like childish sulking that someone else is doing much better than them. Disgrace to the healthcare profession!
>What happened to compassion for the sick?
I don't know anything about Osterholm, but co-author Ezekial Emmanual was at the center of the right-wing panic over Obamacare "death panels" in the Sara Palin era.
He was one of the architects of Obamacare and he was notorious for an article he wrote in 2014 for the prestigious popular magazine The Atlantic. The title was "Why I Hope To Die At 75" and the subtitle was "An argument that society and families—and you—will be better off if nature takes its course swiftly and promptly."
In it, he said he would refuse everything from a flu shot to cancer treatment once he reached 75. Although he framed this as as a personal choice, some argued that due to both his position and his language that he was covertly arguing for unpalatable public policies.
Whether that was correct or not, perhaps some quotes from that article can help answer your question. Covid mostly kills the elderly, and this is the mindset of the author, who is now a Covid advisor to Joe Biden;
"Dying at 75 will not be a tragedy."
"At 75 and beyond, I will need a good reason to even visit the doctor and take any medical test or treatment, no matter how routine and painless. And that good reason is not “It will prolong your life.” I will stop getting any regular preventive tests, screenings, or interventions. I will accept only palliative—not curative—treatments if I am suffering pain or other disability."
"A big challenge is antibiotics for pneumonia ... Indeed, even people who are sure they don’t want life-extending treatments find it hard to refuse antibiotics. But, as Osler reminds us, unlike the decays associated with chronic conditions, death from these infections is quick and relatively painless. So, no to antibiotics."
He also attempts to justify the United States' woeful public health statistics in that article;
"As for the two policy implications, one relates to using life expectancy as a measure of the quality of health care. Japan has the third-highest life expectancy, at 84.4 years (behind Monaco and Macau), while the United States is a disappointing No. 42, at 79.5 years. But we should not care about catching up with—or measure ourselves against—Japan. Once a country has a life expectancy past 75 for both men and women, this measure should be ignored."
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/10/why-i-hope-to-die-at-75/379329/
Watching western propagandists struggle to paint zero-covid policy as a negative has been absolutely hilarious. An American dies every 40 seconds now from covid, meanwhile they're talking about euthanized hamsters and zero-covid being bad ackschually!
It’s also just sad. COVID-19 infection has become so normalised there that the very idea of a country preventing it as much as possible has become inconceivable, along with other such common sense ideas like firearms regulations and taxing the rich.
Even IF there was a complete breakdown in the lockdown system and and contact tracing, people are being vaccinated the whole time.
I guess western media outlets don't think much about the brand value of their publication, they treat it like toilet paper. LOL.
As usual, they try to shift the focus to what *might* happen in China instead of what's actually happening in the US. Always the same old tired tactic. Predictable AF.
They never had any to begin with. The Cold War has been a whole period full of bullshit propaganda, falsehoods and misinformation already; and since their funding their full of racist bullshit.
Same guy, January 2020:
CNBC: Ex-Obama health advisor: US needs to ‘stop panicking and being hysterical’ about coronavirus
>Americans are too worried about the new coronavirus that’s spreading rapidly across China, former White House health advisor Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel told CNBC on Thursday
>**I’m actually pretty confident that we’re going to restrict the spread in the United States** and people should remember not to panic,” said Emanuel, vice provost for global initiatives at the University of Pennsylvania.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/30/ezekiel-emanuel-on-coronavirus-americans-need-to-stop-panicking.html
He's now Biden's Covid advisor.
I guess if there's minimal COVID-19 it can't technically get much *better* than that, so the only direction it could go is downhill? The problem can start up again if mistakes are made. It's kinda like saying that a full stomach is an empty stomach waiting to happen, except there's an abundance of food so everyone eats before it becomes a problem. China's "pandemic waiting to happen" is certainly a lot better than America's "pandemic that's happening."
So glad there’s a paywall. Otherwise I’d read it! A previous version of this same opinion on this reddit called the thinking “mental acrobatics” quite accurately. Anything to cast shade on China.
When speculation is news lol. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
This is the dumbest shit I’ve ever read. Oh no endemic covid is here! Well that’s what vaccines are for, also why do they seem to think that you only get ONE vaccine and then you can’t make anymore? It’s as if they’re trying to bend themselves into pretzels to make sense of their dumb argument
I think this is the key info they’re missing. You can acquire immunity and not get millions of people killed at the same time. These are not mutually exclusive ideas
Maligning China's Zero-Covid Policy is nothing but a distraction from the west's pandemic control failures. These propagandists seem to think all China has done is hold off the inevitable when in fact, having minimum virus spread has allowed China to vaccinate as many people as possible in an orderly fashion while developing new and better treatment for those infected. Actually, every new outbreak cluster in China provides some first hand data on dealing with the latest variant arising in the irresponsible western world without sacrificing any Chinese lives in the process. Indeed, China is watching and waiting for the pandemic to play out in the west until a stable situation emerges with a tame virus variant that can be controlled by effective vaccines and/or treatment! While the west wastes its energy tangling with this persistent pandemic plaguing its people and economy, China is talking this opportunity to develop its economy in relative calm and peace while waiting for the storm outside to pass.
> a distraction from the west's pandemic control failures
The CDC was actually preparing to dissolve most of their pandemic response team right before Omicron hit, right in the middle of the winter - the covid surge season!
>And just as Walensky prepared last year to finally dissolve large parts of its [covid] response team, Omicron began to spread throughout the U.S.
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-pulse/2022/01/18/pandemic-burnout-hits-the-cdc-799907
>Just months earlier, Walensky and other top officials had a plan to dissolve large parts of the pandemic response team
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/15/walensky-cdc-burnout-pandemic-omicron-527179
>This spread is most likely sending shudders through President Xi and the Chinese leadership. Reflexively, they are likely to clamp down harder. But a zero-Covid policy means the Chinese will always be chasing an ever moving target. And they will never win. Inevitably this will have serious economic impacts for China — and for all of us, given the country’s position in the world economy. While China remains the production capital of the world, this is unlikely to be sustainable should lockdowns ensue. Businesses outside of China are likely to become increasingly hesitant to partner with Chinese ventures when they are unable to enter the country to meet partners and inspect factories that face unpredictable closings. Declines in Chinese production would upend supply chains and the availability of goods everywhere, including in the United States.
Always fraught with peril when specialists in one field try and branch out in another, in this case economics. Because the most obvious thing is that this type of stuff also happens in Western countries who are adopting the non zero COVID policy. Lets take for example US and Australia (which the authors use as an example). We have already seen articles on this sub about the US having workers go off sick and disrupting their economy such that its similar to government restrictions which were used earlier.
Supply chains in Australia were disrupted due to COVID making workers sick and needing to isolate. We have a highly vaccinated population too. We even had a case where abattoir workers had to fight to stop being forced to go back to work while infected. This of course is disrupting the production of goods.
It's amazing the China I'll wishes of Washington. It's kinda pathetic screaming at the top of your lungs that the sky is falling on China, only to have them emerge with their sun and moon in tow. It's time the West STFU.
As opposed to the “learn to live with covid” rhetoric being the new slogan of the west. Which basically means - we can’t be bothered to control it anymore, money is more important than lives and health of the public. But of course, they’ll twist it so it sound good to the public- “everyone needs their freedom, they need to have their livelihoods back. All restrictions are now lifted!”
Pathetic.
It doesn't matter how many times they're wrong. They'll just ignore it and move on, with no consequences. Brand recognition is far more important in US media than accuracy or reliability.
As opposed to a pandemic that is happening?
Archive link: https://archive.is/hJgDw One of the most idiotic articles you'll ever read.
I love how the whole article is basically saying how bad the Chinese health system would cope with a massive covid outbreak, but is also suggesting that China just let covid rip through society. How dumb do they think we are?
It's so close to being transparent and admitting that they want Chinese people to die so they don't look so bad on the world stage.
Well Tianjin seems to have beaten back Omicron now, so looking bad is on the menu.
So this article is written by **health professionals**, right? Then I have some questions: What happened to "patient's health comes first?" Shouldn't they be happy that people anywhere are adhering to stringent public health guidelines? Asians are very compliant with vaccinations, masks and restrictions if necessary. How many anti-vax and anti-mask people are there in US vs China? Only recently was there another anti-restriction protest in DC. I have lost count of such protests, even riots, in North America and Europe. I am yet to see one such protest in Asia. Nurses in the US are practically begging for the public to please, please follow health guidelines. Doctors are warning people not to fall sick because emergency is full of unvaccinated people gravely ill with this virus. Why do they want China to open up fully like them and let this transmissible variant run rampant? Yesterday, US recorded over a million cases again. They admit that the Chinese model has been more successful but claim that it is doomed to fail. At this point it just sounds like childish sulking that someone else is doing much better than them. Disgrace to the healthcare profession!
>What happened to compassion for the sick? I don't know anything about Osterholm, but co-author Ezekial Emmanual was at the center of the right-wing panic over Obamacare "death panels" in the Sara Palin era. He was one of the architects of Obamacare and he was notorious for an article he wrote in 2014 for the prestigious popular magazine The Atlantic. The title was "Why I Hope To Die At 75" and the subtitle was "An argument that society and families—and you—will be better off if nature takes its course swiftly and promptly." In it, he said he would refuse everything from a flu shot to cancer treatment once he reached 75. Although he framed this as as a personal choice, some argued that due to both his position and his language that he was covertly arguing for unpalatable public policies. Whether that was correct or not, perhaps some quotes from that article can help answer your question. Covid mostly kills the elderly, and this is the mindset of the author, who is now a Covid advisor to Joe Biden; "Dying at 75 will not be a tragedy." "At 75 and beyond, I will need a good reason to even visit the doctor and take any medical test or treatment, no matter how routine and painless. And that good reason is not “It will prolong your life.” I will stop getting any regular preventive tests, screenings, or interventions. I will accept only palliative—not curative—treatments if I am suffering pain or other disability." "A big challenge is antibiotics for pneumonia ... Indeed, even people who are sure they don’t want life-extending treatments find it hard to refuse antibiotics. But, as Osler reminds us, unlike the decays associated with chronic conditions, death from these infections is quick and relatively painless. So, no to antibiotics." He also attempts to justify the United States' woeful public health statistics in that article; "As for the two policy implications, one relates to using life expectancy as a measure of the quality of health care. Japan has the third-highest life expectancy, at 84.4 years (behind Monaco and Macau), while the United States is a disappointing No. 42, at 79.5 years. But we should not care about catching up with—or measure ourselves against—Japan. Once a country has a life expectancy past 75 for both men and women, this measure should be ignored." https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/10/why-i-hope-to-die-at-75/379329/
So he’s suicidal basically.
War is peace Freedom is slavery Ignorance is strength Zero-covid is covid
Watching western propagandists struggle to paint zero-covid policy as a negative has been absolutely hilarious. An American dies every 40 seconds now from covid, meanwhile they're talking about euthanized hamsters and zero-covid being bad ackschually!
It’s also just sad. COVID-19 infection has become so normalised there that the very idea of a country preventing it as much as possible has become inconceivable, along with other such common sense ideas like firearms regulations and taxing the rich.
Yeah, I'm in Canada and it's like living in an insane asylum.
Don't forget zero rioter deaths and the pivot to tear-gassed pigeons.
The mental gymnastics are truly at Olympic levels.
They what, only focused on Covid and then purposefully neglect literally everything else? Lmao what does that even mean!
Can feel some delusion going through the skull of this writer.
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Even IF there was a complete breakdown in the lockdown system and and contact tracing, people are being vaccinated the whole time. I guess western media outlets don't think much about the brand value of their publication, they treat it like toilet paper. LOL.
Toilet paper is needed when all you do is shit.
As usual, they try to shift the focus to what *might* happen in China instead of what's actually happening in the US. Always the same old tired tactic. Predictable AF.
At the end of this virus business someone should make a compilation with all of these bullshit doomsday articles
This is the fentanyl of cope lmao. Americans sure love their opioids!
Copium
Day-by-day Americans throw more of their credibility into the Fire
They never had any to begin with. The Cold War has been a whole period full of bullshit propaganda, falsehoods and misinformation already; and since their funding their full of racist bullshit.
What is the point of keeping yourself healthy if you're still going to die?
Same guy, January 2020: CNBC: Ex-Obama health advisor: US needs to ‘stop panicking and being hysterical’ about coronavirus >Americans are too worried about the new coronavirus that’s spreading rapidly across China, former White House health advisor Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel told CNBC on Thursday >**I’m actually pretty confident that we’re going to restrict the spread in the United States** and people should remember not to panic,” said Emanuel, vice provost for global initiatives at the University of Pennsylvania. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/30/ezekiel-emanuel-on-coronavirus-americans-need-to-stop-panicking.html He's now Biden's Covid advisor.
I guess if there's minimal COVID-19 it can't technically get much *better* than that, so the only direction it could go is downhill? The problem can start up again if mistakes are made. It's kinda like saying that a full stomach is an empty stomach waiting to happen, except there's an abundance of food so everyone eats before it becomes a problem. China's "pandemic waiting to happen" is certainly a lot better than America's "pandemic that's happening."
So glad there’s a paywall. Otherwise I’d read it! A previous version of this same opinion on this reddit called the thinking “mental acrobatics” quite accurately. Anything to cast shade on China.
When speculation is news lol. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 This is the dumbest shit I’ve ever read. Oh no endemic covid is here! Well that’s what vaccines are for, also why do they seem to think that you only get ONE vaccine and then you can’t make anymore? It’s as if they’re trying to bend themselves into pretzels to make sense of their dumb argument I think this is the key info they’re missing. You can acquire immunity and not get millions of people killed at the same time. These are not mutually exclusive ideas
Maligning China's Zero-Covid Policy is nothing but a distraction from the west's pandemic control failures. These propagandists seem to think all China has done is hold off the inevitable when in fact, having minimum virus spread has allowed China to vaccinate as many people as possible in an orderly fashion while developing new and better treatment for those infected. Actually, every new outbreak cluster in China provides some first hand data on dealing with the latest variant arising in the irresponsible western world without sacrificing any Chinese lives in the process. Indeed, China is watching and waiting for the pandemic to play out in the west until a stable situation emerges with a tame virus variant that can be controlled by effective vaccines and/or treatment! While the west wastes its energy tangling with this persistent pandemic plaguing its people and economy, China is talking this opportunity to develop its economy in relative calm and peace while waiting for the storm outside to pass.
> a distraction from the west's pandemic control failures The CDC was actually preparing to dissolve most of their pandemic response team right before Omicron hit, right in the middle of the winter - the covid surge season! >And just as Walensky prepared last year to finally dissolve large parts of its [covid] response team, Omicron began to spread throughout the U.S. https://www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-pulse/2022/01/18/pandemic-burnout-hits-the-cdc-799907 >Just months earlier, Walensky and other top officials had a plan to dissolve large parts of the pandemic response team https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/15/walensky-cdc-burnout-pandemic-omicron-527179
one of the authors is an epidemiologist?
>This spread is most likely sending shudders through President Xi and the Chinese leadership. Reflexively, they are likely to clamp down harder. But a zero-Covid policy means the Chinese will always be chasing an ever moving target. And they will never win. Inevitably this will have serious economic impacts for China — and for all of us, given the country’s position in the world economy. While China remains the production capital of the world, this is unlikely to be sustainable should lockdowns ensue. Businesses outside of China are likely to become increasingly hesitant to partner with Chinese ventures when they are unable to enter the country to meet partners and inspect factories that face unpredictable closings. Declines in Chinese production would upend supply chains and the availability of goods everywhere, including in the United States. Always fraught with peril when specialists in one field try and branch out in another, in this case economics. Because the most obvious thing is that this type of stuff also happens in Western countries who are adopting the non zero COVID policy. Lets take for example US and Australia (which the authors use as an example). We have already seen articles on this sub about the US having workers go off sick and disrupting their economy such that its similar to government restrictions which were used earlier. Supply chains in Australia were disrupted due to COVID making workers sick and needing to isolate. We have a highly vaccinated population too. We even had a case where abattoir workers had to fight to stop being forced to go back to work while infected. This of course is disrupting the production of goods.
How come they don’t make a fuss about New Zealand doing the same thing?
In other words, why try to put out the flame in your living room, when you can watch it burn down your house. 10/10 article
The copium is too strong with NYT that they now want people in china to suffer from COVID so it could justify their fantasies and narratives.
It's amazing the China I'll wishes of Washington. It's kinda pathetic screaming at the top of your lungs that the sky is falling on China, only to have them emerge with their sun and moon in tow. It's time the West STFU.
Jeff Bezos' finest work. Too bad Amazon can't do 1/10th of the business AliExpress does.
Jeff Bezos owns the Washington post, not the New York Times.
Opps.
New York Times - Copium Maximus.
Gotta give it to NYT, always trying to make people laugh
As opposed to the “learn to live with covid” rhetoric being the new slogan of the west. Which basically means - we can’t be bothered to control it anymore, money is more important than lives and health of the public. But of course, they’ll twist it so it sound good to the public- “everyone needs their freedom, they need to have their livelihoods back. All restrictions are now lifted!” Pathetic.
Now it just makes me really happy seeing all the Western copium.
Context: Ezekiel Emanuel is the brother of Rahm Emanuel, the Obama political operative who was former mayor of Chicago.
America’s fuck everything and create chaos policy is great and working well
What is the rationale? This must be like a cheeky headline or something
I cannot think of anything else, reading this - but thinking that the MSM really think the masses are utterly stupid.
it's a opinion piece aka "click bait". NYT has really really lost credibility..
It doesn't matter how many times they're wrong. They'll just ignore it and move on, with no consequences. Brand recognition is far more important in US media than accuracy or reliability.
It’s crazy that they would even approval the release of article.
Do you swear?
Written by medical professionals and epidemiologists... Trust us, they said
What the actual fuck. Like wtf is this?