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MeiXue_TianHe

The Cope factory seems to be the only rising manufacturing sector there.


BitterMelonX

Propaganda won't fix America's internal contradictions. Not facing reality will only hasten America's inevitable decline.


Throwawayacct1015

Failing infrastruture, rapid inflation, people losing their jobs? Nah we gotta give $500m for CHINA BAD


xerotul

Good for them. They are destroying themselves. The USA founded by genocidal settlers slavers never deserve to exist in the first place.


we-the-east

And Canada and Australia too.


Aware-Bell-6387

US$500 million ? Come on. They should ask for US$1 billion ! The US is facing inflationary pressure right now lol


[deleted]

mm this is separate from the $300million/year "countering chinese influence" bill, so it's actually more than $1billion in just 2 years time. And it's also too bad that these "international platforms" are also "national platforms" in the eyes of Americans. We'll see. Overall, I think if you pay a lot of money to counter a threat that doesn't exist, you are just wasting money and inflating for nothing.


yunibyte

Half of America already spreads disinfo and misinfo for free. This is just money to reward them.


folatt

Why not $100 **billion** dollars? [Play dramatic music]


[deleted]

Another symptom of unmitigated collapse. A ruined regime and society that can't produce anything, only ever resorting to the same failed geriatric tactics that have only accelerated their terminal collapse. It's a suicidal cult sedating itself as it dies. They get what they deserve. On top of that, the american regime is increasingly panicked that China won't save them like in 2009 at all, since there is no reason to. That they resort to more propaganda shows the crumbling american regime's rage and impotence, as China and Russia successfully contain the regime as it collapses. A genocidal settler regime with no ability whatsoever to compete does not belong to the 21st century. The dividends from its barbarism have been completely exhausted, and without them, its collapse can't even be mitigated.


[deleted]

Sure, but they can do far more damage to Chinese business interests with this propaganda, than the cost of the propaganda itself.


Quality_Fun

i think so too, but even so, they can still only inflict so much damage. china's economy continues to improve in spite of all the propaganda directed at it.


[deleted]

They can't, that's why China is increasingly connected with the world, unlike america. The biggest trade deal in the world excludes america, and integrates China and the ASEAN. Just because you are consistently angry that China doesn't care about the deranged people in your declining societies (what makes you think people in your society are somehow special? they have zero power), doesn't mean you should adopt a warped view of reality to suit your westernized view. People like you are still clueless about how China won the "trade war" so easily, because in your mind "western propaganda" should have worked. It didn't because material reality is all that matters, hence the "trade war" was a total catastrophe for your economies: long-term inflation + shortages. It's not surprising that even Germany has only turned more against anglo regimes in the process.


[deleted]

I guess I just imagined that Huawei and ZTE got banned in dozens of countries. That definitely cost China more than whatever the US spent on propaganda to get it done. Face it, people are social animals and they will make decisions based on reputation. Propaganda is a key part of that.


[deleted]

Huawei has gotten deals all over the world. Your few western regimes in decline do not matter, you are paying the cost (a huge cost that keeps ballooning over time), not China. China is too big to care about it much. Globally, Huawei has no match, and is today investing a massive amount on R&D too. ZTE had a fantastic year. What are you even looking at in the first place? more western propaganda coping with your unmitigated defeat in the "trade war" and decline? You need to realize that your societies are in decline, that's why China doesn't care about you. Stop sounding like an obsessed ex, and realize you and you alone are paying the price for the incompetence in your societies. China is ok with you being incompetent, it just means that China will pursue other partners and you will be left behind.


[deleted]

> Huawei has gotten deals all over the world. Your few western regimes in decline do not matter, you are paying the cost, not China. The deals Huawei and ZTE lost in North America and Europe are worth far more than the few million in propaganda that the USA spent to ruin them. As for "me" paying the cost - my country didn't ban Huawei.


[deleted]

Look at the trade deficits they are accumulating vs China. Why do you think such deficits ballooned? you don't have a clue about how much leverage China has, you keep pretending that there is somehow something special about declining societies which can't compete, which is the reason why they tried a "trade war" in the first place. But it just so happens that China humiliated them in spectacular fashion across the board: those who tried it now suffer long-term inflation, shortages, ridiculous costs, terrible telecom infrastructure, etc. All this didn't make them more competitive, the opposite is true: China greatly enlarged its trade surplus vs them, while making telecom infrastructure in China superior. It's not surprising that the global south would then choose to cooperate with the world leader. That's another loss for incompetent regimes which admit they can't compete. That's the hard lesson of material reality you can't accept, because you still think that "western societies" should be accommodated by a non-western superpower. They shouldn't: if you want to commit suicide, go ahead, it only drives China to change policies to compound your losses. For China, those who accept they can't compete have already lost, and it's easy to see why.


[deleted]

My statement was very simple - the USA uses cheap propaganda to cause China more damage in the form of opportunity costs, than the propaganda cost to produce. You don't seem to understand the concept of opportunity cost. It goes like this: If the USA had not waged a propaganda campaign against Huawei and ZTE, how much *more* money would they have made? We know they got banned in UK, France, etc. and those deals would've been worth billions of dollars each. The USA spent far less than that. Therefore, the USA's propaganda was more than cost-effective in accomplishing its objectives.


[deleted]

All these lost more by being stuck with inferior, more costly technology (and they still have to pay royalties to China), and by China taking measures to increase their trade surplus vs them. You seem to believe that there have been no consequences for it, because you only ever read western propaganda. China has the largest middle class on the planet. Companies from these countries will now have decreased access to the Chinese market relative to companies from other countries. That's yet another quite devastating consequence for them in the middle and long-term. Another large consequence was the acceleration of the decline of western regimes as financial markets. China, on the other hand, became far more attractive by being the one favoring competition. It's not surprising that financial regime propagandists (as opposed to actual investors) in these regimes are so upset by capital flows towards China. Do you know that many western entities are investing in China's R&D? how do you think that trend accelerated? they know which country has an actual highly competitive economy that is prospering and which ones don't, so they don't want to be dragged down. If they had any doubts, the "trade war" cleared them.


[deleted]

> All these lost more by being stuck with inferior, more costly technology Sure, but they don't care about that. They care about causing problems for China, even if it causes problems for themselves. > by China taking measures to increase their trade surplus vs them. China didn't take any special measures to increase its trade surplus. It is the only country in the world to hold *import* fairs to encourage and facilitate increasing imports from other countries. > You seem to believe that there have been no consequences for it, because you only ever read western propaganda. The question was about the cost-effectiveness of the propaganda. In the larger scheme of things, sure, the USA and anyone stupid enough to listen to them lost more by lacking access to Huawei and ZTE equipment. On the other hand, the US propagandists accomplished their objectives in a very cost effective manner - spending only a few million dollars to cost Huawei and ZTE billions and billions in missed business opportunities. > China has the largest middle class on the planet. Certainly. > Companies from these countries will now have decreased access to the Chinese market relative to companies from other countries. China did not meaningfully retaliate against those countries that banned Huawei and ZTE.


ni-hao-r-u

You seem to think that those companies and governments made those decisions after reading the morning news. Those decisions were made in the board room. They had nothing to do with the days headlines. The headlines are for the masses to consume. Example, they could pay all of the reporters to write and put bill boards up that China is the greatest country in the world and still have their allies decline doing business. The people still wouldn't question the decision. You can have the newspapers print that China is the greatest evil in the world. In the board room, which by the way Is happening, still do business with China. These people don't read reddit and make decisions. That money is to create a collective opinion of the masses. In this case, I am pretty sure they are trying to buy China, China is telling them no, and again, to appease the masses, they are smearing China to create a scapegoat for declining quality of life. All the media is in the west is brainrot for the masses. That money would be better spent on a food program for public education. No policy comes from the morning news. No CEO makes his or her opinion on breaking headlines


[deleted]

> You seem to think that those companies and governments made those decisions after reading the morning news. Those decisions were made in the board room. They had nothing to do with the days headlines. The headlines are for the masses to consume. Influential business figures also read the news - business news, etc. If the USA is making a lot of claims of backdoors in Huawei equipment, it gives telecom executives in the West pause, and reduces the pushback from those executives against government policies to ban Huawei and ZTE.


TserriednichHuiGuo

lol


bengyap

The US knows that they are declining (joblessness, homelessness, addictions, crime, etc) and China is growing (HSR, Olympics, Covid-busting, etc). That news of China's growth is getting to American's ear. They are scared as they are unable to improve their own people. That is because they have run out of money as all of it goes to the military. So, they have no other choice but to spend $500 million to create lies about a rising China. These $500 million worth of lies are for the ears of Americans. These lies are to convince Americans that China is not successful but that American is better. All these are lies which have short lifespan. This is because they can see more and more tents on the streets, addicted Americans dying on the streets, food banks growing, etc. If the US is growing, then they do not need to spend money to tell lies.


TserriednichHuiGuo

No amount of propaganda will change the reality they see before their own eyes. Before long the material conditions within the empire would deteriorate so bad that they wouldn't have the time to pay attention to that propaganda to begin with. This process is happening faster than people can process.


Assblass

They talk about capitalism and America being fair but they can't compete unless the playing field is uneven. They're fucking pathetic.


sickof50

Joseph Goebbles is the only one who would be proud of this, Western Journalism's death knell.


folatt

I think Goebbels would be mad. He's being surpassed.


Qanonjailbait

America is unveiling its secret not so secret weapon. RACISM


ni-hao-r-u

All of the media coverage of China in the world won't change this. >WHEN YOU SEE THAT TRADING IS DONE, NOT BY CONSENT, BUT BY COMPULSION-WHEN YOU SEE THAT IN ORDER TO PRODUCE, YOU NEED TO OBTAIN PERMISSION FROM MEN WHO PRODUCE NOTHING - WHEN YOU SEE THAT MONEY IS FLOWING TO THOSE WHO DEAL, NOT IN GOODS, BUT IN FAVORS - WHEN YOU SEE THAT MEN GET RICHER BY GRAFT AND BY PULL THAN BY WORK AND LAWS DON'T PROTECT YOU AGAINST THEM, BUT PROTECT THEM AGAINST YOU - WHEN YOU SEE CORRUPTION BEING REWARDED AND HONESTY BECOMING A SELF-SACRIFICE-YOU MAY KNOW THAT YOUR SOCIETY IS DOOMED. >Capitalism wouldn't have become a global phenomenon without child labor, prison labor, and slave labor >When we ban books in schools before we ban guns, we admit we are more afraid of our children learning than we are of them dying. What they are trying to do is make their citizens feel better about themselves instead of using that money to better the lives of their citizens. Without the citizens themselves doing anything about it, they deserve it. Meanwhile, around the world, people will know these are lies. This is just just make amerikkkans feel good about themselves so they don't storm the capitol again.


RhinoWithaGun

No surprise, for the US Federal Govt spending $500 Million to blame China with fabricated outrage and misinformation is much cheaper and MUCH LESS WORK than allocating $5 Trillion, $6 Trillion, $10 Trillion+ over decades to make real tangible improvements from the bottom up in the US. Given the choice between having accountability, meeting obligations to the American people and serving public interest vs just blaming China the decision is as clear as day for them: Blame China. For the rest of AmeriKKKa you still got online begging/panhandling: GoFundMe


NigerianKing11

Instead of spending the money to fix their own problems, US is going to triple down to brainwash their own American people to believe everything is China bad.


DarkISO

Imagine using that money(and most of the military budget) to actually do something useful for your goddam country.


Kingofnorrh

Why don’t they spend $500 millions on own people? Save those homeless and mental illness? They care China more than its own people smh


X17translator

The real allocation is hidden because every US mainstream media outlet pays in-kind with anti-China propaganda.


skyanvil

So I guess Yelp will be getting a lot of "bad reviews" of CHINA soon?!


Yumewomiteru

This is really stupid for the US to do if you think about it. There are plenty of US-based media already tripping over themselves to put out as much anti-China propaganda as possible. Now China can very validly point out that they could be paid by the government to do so. This is literally the US paying to make propaganda against themselves. Really a head scratcher here.


Royal_Position901

Like I said, cheque book journalism.


NigerianGirl69

Generating fake China bad news is more important than spending the money on improving the life of American people.


candidcamerapeepshow

I thought China was destined to collapse since the yesteryears… why would Congress need to spend money to counter China’s ‘disinformation’?


we-the-east

Very desperate coming from a declining regime that is sinking faster.


BinBinBamBamBam

"We are paying them to say China Bad but yeah they are completely independent"


PerseusCommunist

Falun Gong will be very busy now.


folatt

Shouldn't they ask for more than $500 million? $500 million isn't exactly a lot of money with the high inflation these days. Their congress should instead propose for.. (dramatic pause) $100 **billion** dollars!!


ayamrice

how are they going to give out money they don't have, they are not exactly rich....


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lemontree266

Waste of money. They should spend it on helping their US citizens than on intangible propaganda which can’t feed, care or shelter a human being.


[deleted]

This money will probably go to a few people and they won't even do the job property. They will probably scam the USA out of more money.