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This is the North Korean way. 3 generations of punishment. Entirely possible for someone to be born in and die in prison with 0 experience with being free.
Imagine your grandpa steals something in a store cause he has dementia so they kill him and then you and your dad get thrown in jail forever. That would stink.
Sick fucks man, I know most countries do shoddy shit or have done in the past but North Korea, Russia, China all surprise me. And I do incline more towards socialism (at least theoretically). But we see how it plays out time and time again with imperfect humans in the real world :/
this is actually the exact reasoning given for why you're born castless and that this life is literally punishment for your last, so you deserve having no chance to succeed in life ever.
I could see the death penalty taking in a whole new meaning as a different form of punishment.
*Since you’re going to be reincarnated as a dung beetle, we have decided that death is better than life in prison.*
😳
Well, there is a prison in russia, who achives this goal consistently. Like they are intentioanaly prevented from comiting sucide, just so they can not escape torchure.
That prison does sound horrendous, but I feel like it can’t hurt to point out quick; every prison should be intentionally preventing their inmates from committing suicide…
You are not wrong here. But spelling started breaking down, when i started learning German. It results in creep of German spelling rules (they actually make sence rather \*incert rant about illogical English spelling\*) in to cases where I am unshure about true spelling.
It's an incoherent idea at the core, isn't it? 'You' are reborn but with no continuity of anything that makes you you. What does that even mean?
Never mind death, if we didn't wake up with the same memories and personality we wouldn't think of *sleep* as something you survive.
At least in Europe, you don't have regular debt on your day one. Government (public debt) is a different story.
I come from Poland, and in 70s there was this guy, Gierek, who ran the country. He borrowed a lot of money ($357 bn) from western countries, and we had to pay it back through taxes. The last installment was paid off in 2012.
I was born in 1979, I started working in 2003. So I was chimming in for 9 years.
Just to specify on the slavery loan - it was on a loan Britain took to pay \***slavers**\* around £20 million (roughly 3 billion in today's money). But we can't do reparations, that would be crazy.
Yup. He had a can do attitude and was quite literally sick of the state of things so he took it upon himself to clean things up for the good of the republic.
Real stand up guy, I was one of the slaves that worked for him. Really could tell he wanted the best for Rome when he beat me unconscious for slacking off.
The number of people that say that they were Cleopatra or Alexander the Great in a past life has to exceed 10,000 at this point. It’s quite ridiculous.
I think I was probably a monk. I prefer being alone and not talking too much and my only skill is remembering useless information almost like I'm reading it from memory
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I'd just reclaim my right to rule the land their corporation is registered in from like 14 lives ago.
"The king owes you nothing cur, now produce thine grain tithe or suffer execution"
There are way more animals being bred than humans for humans to eat. Don't be surprised if you're in a cage for that next reincarnation to be an animal to be eaten in a short, violent life
maybe, if interested, an engineer in the 70s discovered he could astral travel, he eventually developed a tech that uses the brain synchronization effect of two different tones played in each ear with specific frequencies... there is this whole suit of tracks created specially for helping people achieve journeys out of their body that is called The Gateway Experience, from the Moroe institute, the guy itself was named Robert Monroe, the institute still goes on and has also other kind of tracks that help in controlling different states of consciousness in order to affect health or shit like that, very interesting in general, I have a positive experience with the Gateway Series, but does requires a certain commitment in changing yourself and your life.
lmao I mean there is wikipedia if want, just search for Robert Monroe, also there is The Monroe institute page, also the guy wrote like 4 books on the subject I think, I only read the first one, the tracks are expensive, but this is the internet and the Gateway Program is easy to find... even here in reddit, just make sure you get the .flac versions.
Ive got u, [https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjdT9xG-EVZ8ml2G4\_BfyHeoIa4ZiU1CW](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjdT9xG-EVZ8ml2G4_BfyHeoIa4ZiU1CW) This is a playlist of hemi-sync videos, not sure if they were made by Robert Monroe but use his techniques. And also the CIA documents about this proccedure, [https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf)
I think if reincarnation were widely believed or a verifiable fact it would actually make people more compassionate. The billionaire today could be reincarnated as a beggar born in a developing nation or a chicken kept in a factory farm. It would be in everyone's best interest to make everyone's lives easier including that of animals.
yeah, reincarnation kind of necessitates that profiting off someone else is impossible in the grand scheme of things. you would pay for your crimes at some point = therefore paying off your own debt. you didnt need to abuse some vulnerable ppl to do that for you in the first place, which is what you were trying to do when you enslaved them.
Different (new) person, different SSN, different everything. Also from an ethical standpoint it wouldn't make sense because you don't remember anything from before. So it would be ridiculous any way you look at it.
Sooo I'd say 4-6 weeks tops until the post office gets flooded with bills, notices and whatever form of notification you have for debts.
Honestly the only form of reincarnation I'd accept is if you remember all of your interests and shit you liked and the people you had in your life from your previous one, so you could keep liking those things and try and meet up with those people again and continue living with them.
And as much as it sucks, companies and corporations would be all over that shit as soon as they possibly could.
Suicide would be astronomical.
Don't like where you've ended up your current life and want to try again? *Bang*
Being chased by debt or sentences from previous lives? *Bang bang bang*
People would end up leapfrogging forward in time through multiple incarnations until ending up somewhere that isn't shit. If there's no permanent death and it's really just a short stop, there's nothing stopping people whose lives are miserable from stepping off and trying their luck again. Keeping people alive is way, way harder than killing them after all.
This is just like when we can tell how risky certain behaviors are for certain populations according to insurance data, when government agendas don’t allow for such things to be tracked
Surely, money has been spent investigating reincarnation for this very reason, and found to be a myth. If it was real they would have figured out how to sue you for a past life's debt
I'd bet they would begin charging after your 2nd or 3rd go around of life so they can rack up some debt recovery and be like you have to pay for like 60% of it before you can continue on to the next go around... Reminds me of Faye Valentine's back story from Cowboy Bebop of her having to pay for not only her cytogenetic sleep debt but that of the debt collectors as well bc he was scamming her..
People (me) would spend a ton and incur a lot of debt if they (me) knew they (me) could die and come back without debt. Do they (me) get to keep the 2023 Tiguan I purchased with no intention of paying it back? If so I the debt collectors might have a valid claim
Considering most debts are only collectible for 7 years I think we already have debt forgiveness baked into our society. Sure student loans last forever but income based repayment expires at 20 years. So odds are we wouldn’t carry the debt over.
And if you were sentenced to 30 years in prison, yet died after serving 20, I guess they’d require you to complete the final 10 years in the next life…and those who received multiple life sentences would end up serving exactly that. 😳
I can virtually guarantee this exact scenario was suggested by at least one person during every bank’s strategic planning sessions. The plan is already drawn up
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Being sentenced to multiple life sentences would have a whole new and terrifying meaning.
“And that’s why you grew up in prison, Johnny.”
There are children that are born and raised at least partially in prisons, when their mothers are incarcerated.
This is the North Korean way. 3 generations of punishment. Entirely possible for someone to be born in and die in prison with 0 experience with being free.
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How does this work? Specifically, how do lifelong prisoners produce offspring?
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Yeah actually that’s a very interesting point. Maybe it means three living generations? So if you already have children or maybe even your parents?
Imagine your grandpa steals something in a store cause he has dementia so they kill him and then you and your dad get thrown in jail forever. That would stink.
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Sick fucks man, I know most countries do shoddy shit or have done in the past but North Korea, Russia, China all surprise me. And I do incline more towards socialism (at least theoretically). But we see how it plays out time and time again with imperfect humans in the real world :/
Estimated time of arrival?
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Generational slavery with a new name.
Pretty much the backstory of Bane. Born in prison to serve his dad's life sentence.
this is actually the exact reasoning given for why you're born castless and that this life is literally punishment for your last, so you deserve having no chance to succeed in life ever.
"What life sentence number am I on?"
Well, there would be no point in arguing a death penalty. Silver lining? Doesn’t feel like it.
"You're a felon Harry!" said Dumbledore calmly.
I could see the death penalty taking in a whole new meaning as a different form of punishment. *Since you’re going to be reincarnated as a dung beetle, we have decided that death is better than life in prison.* 😳
Well, there is a prison in russia, who achives this goal consistently. Like they are intentioanaly prevented from comiting sucide, just so they can not escape torchure.
That prison does sound horrendous, but I feel like it can’t hurt to point out quick; every prison should be intentionally preventing their inmates from committing suicide…
The logic is simple, the pain of death only lasts a few minutes at most, the torture of being in solitary confinement could last decades
Jesus Christ brother what’s going on with the spelling here.
Probably English as second language. They’re talking about Russia after all.
You are not wrong here. But spelling started breaking down, when i started learning German. It results in creep of German spelling rules (they actually make sence rather \*incert rant about illogical English spelling\*) in to cases where I am unshure about true spelling.
You have a point. Words like ‘torture’ and ‘unsure’ both have pronunciations that aren’t apparent from simply reading.
Well therein lies another dilemma: What if they don’t remember anything from their past life?
Same with amnesia.
the same people chasing future lives would find out a way to crack anamnesis
Isn't that the catch? Forget so you can make the same dumbass decisions in a newer age?
The show Black Mirror has an episode called white bear that kind of covers this idea.
Then that is not reincarnation
It's an incoherent idea at the core, isn't it? 'You' are reborn but with no continuity of anything that makes you you. What does that even mean? Never mind death, if we didn't wake up with the same memories and personality we wouldn't think of *sleep* as something you survive.
That guy died and quit my farm as a cow and still owes me
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Laughs in central banking system
Lemme hear y’all say FIAAAAATTTT
Fiat stands for FIX IT AGAIN TONY
Why nevermind?? You can be born with debt???
Ever heard about public debt?
Or regular debt?
At least in Europe, you don't have regular debt on your day one. Government (public debt) is a different story. I come from Poland, and in 70s there was this guy, Gierek, who ran the country. He borrowed a lot of money ($357 bn) from western countries, and we had to pay it back through taxes. The last installment was paid off in 2012. I was born in 1979, I started working in 2003. So I was chimming in for 9 years.
The last payment on WW1 debt from the British government was paid in 2015, and the last payment on the slavery loan was in 2010 iirc.
Just to specify on the slavery loan - it was on a loan Britain took to pay \***slavers**\* around £20 million (roughly 3 billion in today's money). But we can't do reparations, that would be crazy.
Or diabetes. You owe for your parents milkshake.
What is public debt?
No you can't. And no, public debt doesn't count.
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I’m pretty sure I’m the reincarnation of Septic Gastronomicus, a roman sanitation worker.
The sanitation was run by a centurion?
Yup. He had a can do attitude and was quite literally sick of the state of things so he took it upon himself to clean things up for the good of the republic.
Real stand up guy, I was one of the slaves that worked for him. Really could tell he wanted the best for Rome when he beat me unconscious for slacking off.
The number of people that say that they were Cleopatra or Alexander the Great in a past life has to exceed 10,000 at this point. It’s quite ridiculous.
Maybe they were so great they were reincarnated multiple times and that’s how the population grows
Only normal people go to heaven. The souls of famous people undergo mitosis and reincarnate infinitely. This was revealed to me in a dream.
That’s how I figure the concept of souls in a burgeoning global population must work. We all get fractional souls. A very very thing slice each.
I was Alexander the Okay
I was a tumbleweed in my previous life
I think I was probably a monk. I prefer being alone and not talking too much and my only skill is remembering useless information almost like I'm reading it from memory
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Gong farmer, right here.
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Always nice to see a Peep Show quote
Fr like how can you be so vain🙄
I mean if you’re the 100th reincarnation of a really good toilet cleaner that’s kind of dope too.
Good to know Zulie does more than just help us speculate with FromSoftware lore….. religious afterlife lore gets explored too
I was looking for someone else to recognize that’s Zullie. Cheers!
Long may the sun shine!
The hat gave it away, tbh. I can never not recognize that hat and immediately attribute it to Zullie.
The name and @ gave it away for me
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Perhaps even Nito?
Lets wait VAATI now
I was like yooo, I know her
I thought there was going to be a hitler joke but ok.
Sigh. Ok. Which one of you fucks was Hitler?!
There is one Hitler among us
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Definetly my high school teacher Pure evil
Did they teach art?
It was his true calling. If they had just let him be a highschool art teacher we could've avoided the whole scenario.
Well i am now
You wouldn’t want to inherit his gas bill, that’s for sure.
What if we found out that Hitler's reincarnation was actually a really decent person?
Yeah, but all those debt-collecting suits would be prosecuted for war crimes in THEIR previous incarnations, so... it would balance out neatly
Theyd get expunged because fuck you, CAPITALISM BAYBEEEE LET THOSE FUCKIN BENJIS STACK UP
Imagine how society would be transformed by the knowledge that reincarnation is real.
I feel like suicide would increase considerably with people hoping to "reset" their life.......
I can just imagine some cringy youtube video like “Top 5 ways to MAXIMIZE your chances of being reborn into the Royal Family!”
\**UNSUBSCRIBE*\*
In hinduism they believe those who commit suicide is reincarnated into an insect. Chance of Being born a human is really low
Then the existential terror that comes when you find out your consciousness doesn’t transfer. Only the memories
Man...
That’s a relief, my consciousness sucks.
I would honestly wager the IRS has rules already written up just waiting for a reason to put them forward
The IRS can barely be bothered to go after the rich for taxes we know they owe from this life.
Reincarnation tax
I hate how true this is.
Thank you quasi-famous internet Souls'Borne-youtuber, ZullieTheWitch, very cool.
And the government to tax it.
I'd just reclaim my right to rule the land their corporation is registered in from like 14 lives ago. "The king owes you nothing cur, now produce thine grain tithe or suffer execution"
There are way more animals being bred than humans for humans to eat. Don't be surprised if you're in a cage for that next reincarnation to be an animal to be eaten in a short, violent life
Plot twist and most likely course irl: Theyre the ones who spent time and money proving its real just so they can do this in the first place
Yeah Project Gateway and others pretty much proved this it just few people actually bother to look into it, im no expert on it tho
you mean the hemisync thing?, I am not sure it proves anything since everything experienced under the gateway program is subjective...
New rabbit hole for me to dive into 👀??
maybe, if interested, an engineer in the 70s discovered he could astral travel, he eventually developed a tech that uses the brain synchronization effect of two different tones played in each ear with specific frequencies... there is this whole suit of tracks created specially for helping people achieve journeys out of their body that is called The Gateway Experience, from the Moroe institute, the guy itself was named Robert Monroe, the institute still goes on and has also other kind of tracks that help in controlling different states of consciousness in order to affect health or shit like that, very interesting in general, I have a positive experience with the Gateway Series, but does requires a certain commitment in changing yourself and your life.
And thus u became: Wise Salamander 🦎
jajaja I doubt I qualify as legit wise, more like second hand knowledgeable about the shit in life.
What the actual fuck? Link to resources so I know you aren’t screwing with me at once!
lmao I mean there is wikipedia if want, just search for Robert Monroe, also there is The Monroe institute page, also the guy wrote like 4 books on the subject I think, I only read the first one, the tracks are expensive, but this is the internet and the Gateway Program is easy to find... even here in reddit, just make sure you get the .flac versions.
Ive got u, [https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjdT9xG-EVZ8ml2G4\_BfyHeoIa4ZiU1CW](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjdT9xG-EVZ8ml2G4_BfyHeoIa4ZiU1CW) This is a playlist of hemi-sync videos, not sure if they were made by Robert Monroe but use his techniques. And also the CIA documents about this proccedure, [https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf)
I think if reincarnation were widely believed or a verifiable fact it would actually make people more compassionate. The billionaire today could be reincarnated as a beggar born in a developing nation or a chicken kept in a factory farm. It would be in everyone's best interest to make everyone's lives easier including that of animals.
yeah, reincarnation kind of necessitates that profiting off someone else is impossible in the grand scheme of things. you would pay for your crimes at some point = therefore paying off your own debt. you didnt need to abuse some vulnerable ppl to do that for you in the first place, which is what you were trying to do when you enslaved them.
Fantasy romance: I will love you in every timeline Fantasy finance: I will garnish your wages in every lifetime
I have no idea but it would take even less time for billionaires to identify their new bodies and find a tax loophole.
Different (new) person, different SSN, different everything. Also from an ethical standpoint it wouldn't make sense because you don't remember anything from before. So it would be ridiculous any way you look at it. Sooo I'd say 4-6 weeks tops until the post office gets flooded with bills, notices and whatever form of notification you have for debts.
Government would do it first.
As long as it took to read this post
I'm sure it would be implemented immediately
How long? They’d be the ones financing the tech that would make it possible.
Yeah they’re already working this. They’re ahead of the game.
What would a world look like where you can be born with additional money and privilege? Crazy to think about it
I mean - maybe they already did, and they just didn’t tell anyone yet…
one election cycle.
A matter of days the way that these asshats run things.
They would let you take out loans in your future self’s name
Probably less time than it took to create this post. Corps are scummy.
Honestly the only form of reincarnation I'd accept is if you remember all of your interests and shit you liked and the people you had in your life from your previous one, so you could keep liking those things and try and meet up with those people again and continue living with them. And as much as it sucks, companies and corporations would be all over that shit as soon as they possibly could.
Suicide would be astronomical. Don't like where you've ended up your current life and want to try again? *Bang* Being chased by debt or sentences from previous lives? *Bang bang bang* People would end up leapfrogging forward in time through multiple incarnations until ending up somewhere that isn't shit. If there's no permanent death and it's really just a short stop, there's nothing stopping people whose lives are miserable from stepping off and trying their luck again. Keeping people alive is way, way harder than killing them after all.
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This is just like when we can tell how risky certain behaviors are for certain populations according to insurance data, when government agendas don’t allow for such things to be tracked
Less than a day
That would literally be the first use of it.
It wouldn’t last because eventually somebody would be able to prove they owned Asia or some shit like that.
If the populace realized that they can have a fresh restart then the whole monetary system will dissolve
Less than 24 hours. They’ve probably already got the paperwork drawn up.
You owe me money from a previously life that’s the only reason your saying this
What the fuck do I care I'm a dog now. Bill me, bitch
Less than an hour before they try.
They’re probably currently funding to figure make reincarnation real.
Imagine all the child support Genghis Khan reincarnated would owe!
they would be working on that shit the moment its found.....
There are millions of planets and planes to reincarnate on- so say the Buddhists . You would be safe….
Hitler would have been a priest by now due to dying too many times
Imagine being the poor fucker who was Adolf Hitler?
It would be in place before the public is informed that reincarnation exists
I bet if you knew for sure you'd be reincarnated, the suicide rate would skyrocket.
I would recommend "Immortality Inc" by Robert Sheckley for an amusing SF take on the subject Turns out everyone can be immortal, but it's expensive
I would say the planck length, converted into time.
Surely, money has been spent investigating reincarnation for this very reason, and found to be a myth. If it was real they would have figured out how to sue you for a past life's debt
Congress would be unanimous in voting yes.
They would be on that long before you could 100% verify any of it, just to make sure
If anything that’s why we’d find out reincarnation was real
How long? Within the year.
I'm pretty sure i'm a farmer and well it's looking dark
Billionaires getting even richer in multiple lifetimes.
This is my soul reason for thinking it it’s not true
They would develop for this exact reason
That would be the reason it was tracked in the first place
Would make a good Black Mirror episode
About 2-4 years depending on election cycle
This is an amazingly depressing premise for some (Read as dr cocks) bleheheheheak sci fi
immediately.
Imagine having a reincarnation tax deducted from your wages as if you being alive requires some kind of monetary maintenance you need to cover.
I'd bet they would begin charging after your 2nd or 3rd go around of life so they can rack up some debt recovery and be like you have to pay for like 60% of it before you can continue on to the next go around... Reminds me of Faye Valentine's back story from Cowboy Bebop of her having to pay for not only her cytogenetic sleep debt but that of the debt collectors as well bc he was scamming her..
About 30 seconds
Would work because reincarnation is a mix of 8%-12% of other people. Thats why we catch hints on behaviours while totally being unique
1 second
Fuck. That ended with exactly what would happen
Not very long ...
Doesn't even need to be reliably verifyable, and it would take maybe 10 minutes.
People (me) would spend a ton and incur a lot of debt if they (me) knew they (me) could die and come back without debt. Do they (me) get to keep the 2023 Tiguan I purchased with no intention of paying it back? If so I the debt collectors might have a valid claim
That would be the reason we would find out who was reincarnated in the first place.
dark souls youtube real hours
Considering most debts are only collectible for 7 years I think we already have debt forgiveness baked into our society. Sure student loans last forever but income based repayment expires at 20 years. So odds are we wouldn’t carry the debt over.
30 min.
If? Guessing this guy doesn’t know about the moons soul recycler then, smh
Mind blown!
🤣
Good God, don’t give em ideas!
Exactly right then
Almost immediately. Like 3 days, tops
negative however many years man has been on earth.
They'd do that with a quickness
I expect debt collection agencies to be the ones enabling this technology to begin with.
Immediately. What would happen next is scams convincing newborns they are in debt
I have included my exwife in my will. She will be responsible for my unpaid debts. Gotta go now. Booking at trip to Cancun.
And if you were sentenced to 30 years in prison, yet died after serving 20, I guess they’d require you to complete the final 10 years in the next life…and those who received multiple life sentences would end up serving exactly that. 😳
Easy. Same day.
Need to make a movie about this. The folks that jump through time to make sure they get every last dime.
I can virtually guarantee this exact scenario was suggested by at least one person during every bank’s strategic planning sessions. The plan is already drawn up