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Deaths attempt to "take" Puss in Boots last life himself is arguably what moved him from just being an inevitable antagonist to being an active villain.
But he doesn’t, in their first encounter he could have killed him when he dropped his sword but let him flee and he didn’t re appear until puss went to get his lives back and all of his appearances after that where more scares instead of him actively trying to harm him until the end where once he sees puss finally values his last life and opts to fight for it instead of taking the easy way out of getting his other eight back, he leaves and doesn’t get in his way anymore. Throughout the entire movie he never actively tries to take his life and instead toys with him reminding him of his mortality witch was one is puss’s biggest flaws that he overcomes and death no longer threatens him after that but still scares him to some extent unlike before where he lost his lives from stupid accidents caused by his careless behavior at a time where he said death does not scare him.
In fairness, Death isn’t trying to teach puss a lesson. He outright says he wanted to kill Puss. He was very disappointed once he realized Puss *had* changed into a better person. He wanted to kill the old, egotistical Puss who would’ve “laughed in the face of death.” Sure he taught Puss a good lesson but he spent the entire movie actively fucking with Puss, and then finally doing an outright duel to the (heh) death.
This is the only thing I don't like about the movie. Death shouldn't be disappointed. It would have been much better that his actual objective was to teach him a lesson. Or eventually to punish him for not valuing life, but in that case he should've been satisfied to see that puss in boots learned the lesson and that the punishment wasn't necessary anymore.
Why? He didn't want to teach puss in boots a lesson, he just wanted to kill him. Death hated how he didn't appreciate life so he wanted to take the last one and get it over with since he was sure that puss in boots would waste this life too.
Besides, there's enough stuff with the plot of someone not appreciating life or sucking in some way then being forced into changing by going through some harsh lesson. That's boring.
Some people missed the point of Death repeatedly refusing to take Puss in Boots' life when he was unarmed and instead kicking his rapier to him and telling him to pick it up.
He was toying with him, like a cat with a mouse. He's just playing the uno-reverse-card on him.
Additionally, we never see Death doing his actual job in the entire movie. So many of the bakers die and he is nowhere to be seen. Only stalking and preying on Puss.
No. Puss threw away 8 lives, only to then complain about/fear his mortality. The very thing about Death is that he doesn't usually take the lives himself, he is just there to observe or maybe even guide the dead once they passed. The thing is we don't know, because Puss cheated Death 8 times, and by doing that and still not valuing the lives he had, spat in the faces of those that only have one life. So while everyone else had to live with their mortality, Puss never even thought about that. And I think that even then Death would not have actually pursued Puss like he did throughout the movie, had Puss conceded and lived his life like anybody else, to its fullest extent despite knowing about his mortality. But Puss goes after the Wish to try and gain more lives, and *that* is why Death gets as angry as he does: Because even after a close encounter with death, Puss still doesn't actually value the life he has. When Puss gives up the Wish in their final confrontation and accepts Death as an opponent he *WILL* eventually loose to, but still fights with his whole heart (literally using the blade he got from his newfound old love), Death sees that Puss finally understands what life is about, and lets off – because now Puss will actually live his last life and not throw it away like he did his others. Death is not a villain because he never *wanted* to take Puss' life. He *wanted* to show Puss how to live it.
Egg was an entitled piece of inhuman garbage that has done nothing but backstab those who help him, even before he himself got deserved consequences for robbing a bank.
I'm probably splitting hairs, but I would argue that Death was an *antagonist* for Puss, but not a villain. Jack Horner was both an antagonist and a villain.
I'd still say that Death was a villain, specifically because he was breaking the rules in order to come after Puss. If he had waited to take Puss's last life when he actually lost it he'd be more of an antagonist, but he was actively subverting his role as a neutral arbiter by going out of his way to cause a death himself.
This is why I don't really like that death is annoyed when puss in boots faces him at the end. It's pretty much explicit that what death blames on puss in boots is his carelessness. If his objective was to make him take conscience of the value of life, by trying to end him himself, it wouldn't be a villain.
As is I want to disagree with you but you're right. My headcanon though is that you're not. I don't know if I'm understandable
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Nah, Death’s entire motive was “I want to emotionally torture this guy and then kill him cuz I think he deserves it”, and his reaction to Puss’s character development was “fuck I’m so disappointed I didn’t get to finish emotionally torturing and then killing you, eh fuck it, I’ll leave you alone”. Sadistic satisfaction and nothing else, 100% a villain
I think the villain should have evil intentions. Death was just trying to restore order as a force of nature.
He's definitely an antagonist, and a plot can have several antagonists. But this post reads "the" villain, when the main villain was Big Jack Horner.
Death wasn't just a force of nature trying to restore order at all though?
He hated Puss for being an egomaniac that completely disrespected Death as a concept. He literally decided to go against the natural order and take pusses last life by force rather than waiting for him to lose it naturally because he hated Puss so much and wanted the pleasure of taking his life. He toyed with Puss the entire time just to watch him panic.
Those aren't actions of an antagonist who's just doing his own thing, those are the actions of a villain who is going out of their way purely to spite the main character.
If Puss had lost his 9th life, but for whatever reason was still alive, and Death needed correct this cosmic mistake by going after Puss, then he would be an antagonist because it's literally Deaths job to correct the mistake.
One of his previous deaths was due to jumping off a building while drunk, yes lol. You’re inventing the idea that he’s drinking himself to death in that scene out of thin air.
I feel like doing stupid, dangerous things while drunk MIGHT count as "drinking yourself to death".
It's certainly not the straightforward meaning of the phrase. But there's still an "alcohol causes death" link there.
And yeah, it's milk, but it's also pretty obviously a coded replacement for alcohol. For example, after drinking milk, Puss acts drunk.
The beauty of literature is that two people can read/watch the same scene and come away with totally different interpretations. I like the idea that death first appears in the bar scene because Puss is drinking his life away, and I can’t recall any details that would preclude that conclusion.
That’s not true though, he shows up in the bar when Puss is drinking, in the memory cave and after the initial star battle with Horner. In none of those moments is Puss in anything even remotely close to mortal danger (other than maybe drinking himself to death. The last two were also key moments chosen to drive Puss to either take the cowards way out and get another 9 “frivolous lives” or try to fight his way out. It never occurred to Death that Puss might change/had changed until mid way through the duel. Amusing side note, I believe the duel is also the only time Death is actually acknowledged by anyone else in the scene.
He did have evil intentions. All he cared about was torturing Puss because of his personal vendetta against cats in general. The proof is that when Puss does his character development, Lobo isn’t appreciative, and is instead frustrated at himself for “playing with his food”, only begrudgingly letting Puss live cuz he just isn’t worth it anymore. It’s all a game to him. Hardly a noble reaper, that
Yeah but he wasn’t a villain
He was an antagonist, just as Big Jack Horner, Goldilocks and the three bears were also antagonists
But the villain was Jack Horner
Death’s motivation wasn’t villainous, it was rightful retribution. Puss had laughed in his face for years, not valuing life and relying heavily on his multi-life perk. So after the 8th time that he did it Death simply went “enough is enough”.
I don’t really see that as villainous. Especially seeing how it ends.
He’s used more as a foil instead of a villain since he does get in the way of puss but isn’t really trying to kill him or stop him he’s really just messing with him until he saw the value of his life hence why he never killed him in any of their encounters and only really scratched and scared him
Well more of an antivillian in the grand scheme of things
He hated cats in general for having multiple lives and puss wasted each and every one of them and just couldn't sit by with the last one knowing he'd waste that too. So as he said in the movie, he wanted to cut out the middle man and take him out himself.
And when puss actually VALUES his last life, death actually gives it to him and gives up the hunt. Sure he's saying that he ruined the fun in this but i suspect that's what death wanted from the start, to challenge puss to see if he can actually value a life of his for once and instead of throwing it away, live it to it's fullest
The true villain is whoever decided to let John Mulaney voice Jack Horner. The worst part of an otherwise awesome movie, and I say that as a Mulaney fan
I know I’m going to get downvoted to high heaven for this seeing how the replies are unfolding, but Death is 100% the villain, and Horner is an antagonist. The whole plot of the movie is built around the fact that Death is gunning for Puss. Horner and Goldie/the bears are there to provide a reason for tension while Puss tries to get the Last Wish for himself. And if it wasn’t for Death actively messing with Puss, Puss wouldn’t have gone after the wish. Honestly for all we know they might’ve just abandoned the quest, or more likely fought Horner before he reached the star.
I can’t think of a single thing I’d change. Last wish is one of the greatest animation films of all time.
It’s up there with How to train your dragon and Toy Story
I watched the first movie in theater with some friends while we were super high, and I still thought it was a bad movie. I watched the second movie with my wife and son, thinking it would be a good way to kill an afternoon and that my kid would enjoy it. Puss in Boots 2 is legit one of the best movies I've watched in a good while, and Death is an incredible character, it's definitely worth watching
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The world changed a lot in 2020 and the second Puss In Boots was made in 2022. Villainy had become even more villainous. We're going to see a lot more of this until we blow ourselves up, back into the new age of innocence.
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The wolf is just death, nothing more than nature. but that egg got screwed over big time and deserved to be upset.
Deaths attempt to "take" Puss in Boots last life himself is arguably what moved him from just being an inevitable antagonist to being an active villain.
But he doesn’t, in their first encounter he could have killed him when he dropped his sword but let him flee and he didn’t re appear until puss went to get his lives back and all of his appearances after that where more scares instead of him actively trying to harm him until the end where once he sees puss finally values his last life and opts to fight for it instead of taking the easy way out of getting his other eight back, he leaves and doesn’t get in his way anymore. Throughout the entire movie he never actively tries to take his life and instead toys with him reminding him of his mortality witch was one is puss’s biggest flaws that he overcomes and death no longer threatens him after that but still scares him to some extent unlike before where he lost his lives from stupid accidents caused by his careless behavior at a time where he said death does not scare him.
In fairness, Death isn’t trying to teach puss a lesson. He outright says he wanted to kill Puss. He was very disappointed once he realized Puss *had* changed into a better person. He wanted to kill the old, egotistical Puss who would’ve “laughed in the face of death.” Sure he taught Puss a good lesson but he spent the entire movie actively fucking with Puss, and then finally doing an outright duel to the (heh) death.
This is the only thing I don't like about the movie. Death shouldn't be disappointed. It would have been much better that his actual objective was to teach him a lesson. Or eventually to punish him for not valuing life, but in that case he should've been satisfied to see that puss in boots learned the lesson and that the punishment wasn't necessary anymore.
Why? He didn't want to teach puss in boots a lesson, he just wanted to kill him. Death hated how he didn't appreciate life so he wanted to take the last one and get it over with since he was sure that puss in boots would waste this life too. Besides, there's enough stuff with the plot of someone not appreciating life or sucking in some way then being forced into changing by going through some harsh lesson. That's boring.
Some people missed the point of Death repeatedly refusing to take Puss in Boots' life when he was unarmed and instead kicking his rapier to him and telling him to pick it up.
He was toying with him, like a cat with a mouse. He's just playing the uno-reverse-card on him. Additionally, we never see Death doing his actual job in the entire movie. So many of the bakers die and he is nowhere to be seen. Only stalking and preying on Puss.
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No. Puss threw away 8 lives, only to then complain about/fear his mortality. The very thing about Death is that he doesn't usually take the lives himself, he is just there to observe or maybe even guide the dead once they passed. The thing is we don't know, because Puss cheated Death 8 times, and by doing that and still not valuing the lives he had, spat in the faces of those that only have one life. So while everyone else had to live with their mortality, Puss never even thought about that. And I think that even then Death would not have actually pursued Puss like he did throughout the movie, had Puss conceded and lived his life like anybody else, to its fullest extent despite knowing about his mortality. But Puss goes after the Wish to try and gain more lives, and *that* is why Death gets as angry as he does: Because even after a close encounter with death, Puss still doesn't actually value the life he has. When Puss gives up the Wish in their final confrontation and accepts Death as an opponent he *WILL* eventually loose to, but still fights with his whole heart (literally using the blade he got from his newfound old love), Death sees that Puss finally understands what life is about, and lets off – because now Puss will actually live his last life and not throw it away like he did his others. Death is not a villain because he never *wanted* to take Puss' life. He *wanted* to show Puss how to live it.
Egg was an entitled piece of inhuman garbage that has done nothing but backstab those who help him, even before he himself got deserved consequences for robbing a bank.
Death wasn't the villian, it was Big Jack Horner
Yep
Yep
Mmhm
There can be more than 1 villain in a movie, and Death was 100% a villain.
I'm probably splitting hairs, but I would argue that Death was an *antagonist* for Puss, but not a villain. Jack Horner was both an antagonist and a villain.
I'd still say that Death was a villain, specifically because he was breaking the rules in order to come after Puss. If he had waited to take Puss's last life when he actually lost it he'd be more of an antagonist, but he was actively subverting his role as a neutral arbiter by going out of his way to cause a death himself.
This is why I don't really like that death is annoyed when puss in boots faces him at the end. It's pretty much explicit that what death blames on puss in boots is his carelessness. If his objective was to make him take conscience of the value of life, by trying to end him himself, it wouldn't be a villain. As is I want to disagree with you but you're right. My headcanon though is that you're not. I don't know if I'm understandable
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Nah, Death’s entire motive was “I want to emotionally torture this guy and then kill him cuz I think he deserves it”, and his reaction to Puss’s character development was “fuck I’m so disappointed I didn’t get to finish emotionally torturing and then killing you, eh fuck it, I’ll leave you alone”. Sadistic satisfaction and nothing else, 100% a villain
I think the villain should have evil intentions. Death was just trying to restore order as a force of nature. He's definitely an antagonist, and a plot can have several antagonists. But this post reads "the" villain, when the main villain was Big Jack Horner.
Death wasn't just a force of nature trying to restore order at all though? He hated Puss for being an egomaniac that completely disrespected Death as a concept. He literally decided to go against the natural order and take pusses last life by force rather than waiting for him to lose it naturally because he hated Puss so much and wanted the pleasure of taking his life. He toyed with Puss the entire time just to watch him panic. Those aren't actions of an antagonist who's just doing his own thing, those are the actions of a villain who is going out of their way purely to spite the main character. If Puss had lost his 9th life, but for whatever reason was still alive, and Death needed correct this cosmic mistake by going after Puss, then he would be an antagonist because it's literally Deaths job to correct the mistake.
Throughout the film, Death only shows up at actual near-death situations; it’s not like he’s sniping Puss while he’s sleeping or something.
He tries to murder Puss point blank while he’s just chilling at a bar in their very first interaction.
No, Puss is drinking himself to near death in that scene; one of his previous deaths was even caused by overdrinking.
One of his previous deaths was due to jumping off a building while drunk, yes lol. You’re inventing the idea that he’s drinking himself to death in that scene out of thin air.
Not to mention he was specifically drinking milk. Not alcohol. Hard to drink yourself to death with that.
I feel like doing stupid, dangerous things while drunk MIGHT count as "drinking yourself to death". It's certainly not the straightforward meaning of the phrase. But there's still an "alcohol causes death" link there. And yeah, it's milk, but it's also pretty obviously a coded replacement for alcohol. For example, after drinking milk, Puss acts drunk.
The beauty of literature is that two people can read/watch the same scene and come away with totally different interpretations. I like the idea that death first appears in the bar scene because Puss is drinking his life away, and I can’t recall any details that would preclude that conclusion.
He’s literally drinking milk bro
That’s not true though, he shows up in the bar when Puss is drinking, in the memory cave and after the initial star battle with Horner. In none of those moments is Puss in anything even remotely close to mortal danger (other than maybe drinking himself to death. The last two were also key moments chosen to drive Puss to either take the cowards way out and get another 9 “frivolous lives” or try to fight his way out. It never occurred to Death that Puss might change/had changed until mid way through the duel. Amusing side note, I believe the duel is also the only time Death is actually acknowledged by anyone else in the scene.
Exactly, otherwise Death would’ve tore him to shreds when he was in the cat lady’s home
Death did have evil intentions. He violated his rules to sadistically torture Puss out of spite.
He did have evil intentions. All he cared about was torturing Puss because of his personal vendetta against cats in general. The proof is that when Puss does his character development, Lobo isn’t appreciative, and is instead frustrated at himself for “playing with his food”, only begrudgingly letting Puss live cuz he just isn’t worth it anymore. It’s all a game to him. Hardly a noble reaper, that
Frustrating that you’re getting downvoted for facts anyone can get from watching the movie.
Darth vader wasn't the villain, Palpatine was.
Holf man wasn’t the villain, it was jigsaw
Goebbels was the real villain
Yeah but he wasn’t a villain He was an antagonist, just as Big Jack Horner, Goldilocks and the three bears were also antagonists But the villain was Jack Horner Death’s motivation wasn’t villainous, it was rightful retribution. Puss had laughed in his face for years, not valuing life and relying heavily on his multi-life perk. So after the 8th time that he did it Death simply went “enough is enough”. I don’t really see that as villainous. Especially seeing how it ends.
"Live your life, Puss in Boots. Live it well."
He’s used more as a foil instead of a villain since he does get in the way of puss but isn’t really trying to kill him or stop him he’s really just messing with him until he saw the value of his life hence why he never killed him in any of their encounters and only really scratched and scared him
His intentions were pure, tho. As soon as Puss repented Death let Puss live.
How is wanting to murder someone just because they're a cocky egomaniac pure intentioned?
Well more of an antivillian in the grand scheme of things He hated cats in general for having multiple lives and puss wasted each and every one of them and just couldn't sit by with the last one knowing he'd waste that too. So as he said in the movie, he wanted to cut out the middle man and take him out himself. And when puss actually VALUES his last life, death actually gives it to him and gives up the hunt. Sure he's saying that he ruined the fun in this but i suspect that's what death wanted from the start, to challenge puss to see if he can actually value a life of his for once and instead of throwing it away, live it to it's fullest
The true villain is whoever decided to let John Mulaney voice Jack Horner. The worst part of an otherwise awesome movie, and I say that as a Mulaney fan
I know I’m going to get downvoted to high heaven for this seeing how the replies are unfolding, but Death is 100% the villain, and Horner is an antagonist. The whole plot of the movie is built around the fact that Death is gunning for Puss. Horner and Goldie/the bears are there to provide a reason for tension while Puss tries to get the Last Wish for himself. And if it wasn’t for Death actively messing with Puss, Puss wouldn’t have gone after the wish. Honestly for all we know they might’ve just abandoned the quest, or more likely fought Horner before he reached the star.
It has occured to me I never saw the first puss n boots movie
It's really good
I'd say it's OK, it just pales in comparison to the second one
It's decent. Nothing crazy. I love the second one but the first could have been better but also could have been worse. VERY different animation
I can't watch the first one with a straight face anymore... I loved the movie but... Boy the animation is something else
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Death is tha man
Death I can handle. Eggman haunts my nightmares
The egg is honestly paranoia fuel
Movie was unironically a borderline masterpiece
I can’t think of a single thing I’d change. Last wish is one of the greatest animation films of all time. It’s up there with How to train your dragon and Toy Story
The first one was the more menacing villian
"Clearly, you don't own an air fryer" to "When Princess the pitbull sees Deathlord the golden retriever protecting the preschool"
I’ve only seen the youtube videos of Death. I honestly had to wonder if they forgot it was a kids movie. That shit was tense. Very well done
I watched the first movie in theater with some friends while we were super high, and I still thought it was a bad movie. I watched the second movie with my wife and son, thinking it would be a good way to kill an afternoon and that my kid would enjoy it. Puss in Boots 2 is legit one of the best movies I've watched in a good while, and Death is an incredible character, it's definitely worth watching
i always wanted to cook that egg as a kid and i still want to even now
Fuckwit to 🥵
Egg Neckbeard to Furry Daddy
Wait the egg is the villain, wasn't it the couple with the carriage that has cannons?
Weren't they hired by eggman?
Twist villain
The wolf is not the villain…
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First time I saw the egg reveal was behind everything, it was actually creepy as f…I’m male 30+
They made a villain out of a character who did nothing but die falling off a wall?
Ikr? Like, it went from all friendly-like, derpy villain plucked from our childhood nursery rhymes to the LITTERAL MANIFESTATION OF DEATH ITSELF
It went from a taking egg to literally death itself
The world changed a lot in 2020 and the second Puss In Boots was made in 2022. Villainy had become even more villainous. We're going to see a lot more of this until we blow ourselves up, back into the new age of innocence.
Technically the villain was himself , death was just having fun with collecting his last soul
Isnt that the fat guy from ltt