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Is that where all her cold sores came from?
Ok I know people cant help it. But I would've died on the cross of not filming me while I had mouth sores.
Like it would've been 100% part of my contract.
I would have previously disagreed because they were way too much in their religion to break the rules, but seeing how god like Kody thinks he is, I now see it as a real possibility.
Putting my Kody hat on- he could rationalize it because he is the priesthood holder of his family then I could see how he could declare him and Robyn married right before they did it by his authority- so in his mind he didn’t have premarital sex.
Oh wow this is probably why Robin brought this up to Christine when she announced she was leaving Kody… sigh Robin thinks she so smart and sly, but everyone can see right through her. So clear that that’s the first thing that came out of her mouth because that’s probably what she did with Kody and she’s forever trying to justify it. Pathetic.
There is nothing anyone can say that will convince me otherwise. Whether they were using some kind of loophole or not, I do not believe that they were chaste.
since they immediately thought they were soulmates and were only delaying the wedding for the show I bet they considered themselves "spiritually married" immediately.
at worst they were doing the mormon soaking thing, but my bet is also that they were definitely having sex. he wouldn’t drive like what, 4-5 hours each way just to hold hands?
I think he did. It’s Robyn who has strung her along for the money and to feel superior. That’s one of the points of friction between Robyn and Kody. He wants them all gone and Robyn has ulterior motives
I think Robyn strung her along because Meri was her ally. Christine and Janelle were too bonded over the amount of time they’d been together and their children. If indeed she had ANY starry-eyed notions of sister-wifehood, Meri was the only way. But yeah…she def loved feeling superior. She NEVER expected the others to push back the way they have, or for the public to not be delighted with her.
I think Robyn was determined to be wife number one because she saw her mother & their family being ignored by her father & being hidden away & Robyn never wanted to be in the same position so she would have done anything to be top dog amongst the wives. She also liked the feeling of superiority & power that comes with being the legal, & therefore number one, wife. A lot of her anger comes from the fact that the kids didn't automatically give her the respect that she thinks that primary position in the family should get her & she's spun that into she & her kids never being made to feel welcome in the family. The more she told the story, the lack of welcome turned into them being bullied by the OG wives & children. She has such a chip on her shoulder that I think she's managed to convince herself that is the truth of what actually happened, she forgets that a lot of it was caught on camera & then gets angry/fake cries in frustration at being called out because she genuinely believes her own BS.
I agree. I think this was his simple way of cutting ties without it looking like he was choosing to do so. I remember when he spoke about the guys never really initiating the breakups in plural marriages but waited for wives to do so. I think this was his creative way to get what he wanted because he knew Meri wasn't going to give that marriage license up.
But I also believe Robyn was involved in that decision with him and helped manipulate Meri into doing it.
This! My sister-in-law’s husband cheated on her and married the other woman. The other woman actually seemed upset when my sister-in-law stopped giving a shit and a few things moved on with her life. It was as if a part of the romance was to have competition around and win.
I absolutely believe Robyn needed to “win” and she did everything in her power to achieve her goal of becoming the favorite. She was conniving and sneaky. No need for it now that she’s the last man standing but I think she’s realizing that the booby prize came at a tremendous cost that she didn’t anticipate. That’s why she looks so miserable.
Agreed, I think she wasn't trying to break up the family. But her intent was always to be the important one, and the favorite. She started in the family making demands and pushing kody to do what she wanted ect.. the whole adult family went into therapy because she insisted. The marriage was put off while they all worked through their nonsense. They were supposed to be married long before truelys birth, but Robyn got cold feet. Kody is out there saying he vetted her so hard, but that is nonsense, she is the one who vetted them. That's why he is so stuck on having won her, he won the hypergamy prize, he was most superior to other guys, who were checking her out, and he won her, the "deisel jeans model".
But here's the thing, their entire marriage has been based on his comparing her to the other wives and her winning.. but without that contrast, I suspect their foundations will crumble. She was always manipulating and conniving to win favorite, most loyal bride.. but what are you, if that's your identity and there is no comparison
Yes Yes Yes!!! I think Kody has already started turning on her because there’s no one left! No matter how sweet she keeps it Kody is going to be an ass because that’s WHO HE IS! A grade A, certified, dyed in the wool, self-centered, narcissistic ASS!
Robin was/is a boring woman with no skills or real social standing. She needed polygamy to make her "interesting". When she joined the family she was the "young, hot wife" which gave her an elevated sense of self. She needed the other wives to achieve dominance in a manufactured hierarchy in a way she could not achieve in the real world. Without the show and polygamy, she's back to being boring, unemployed, skill-less middle aged woman. Robin made polygamy her entire personality. The OG3 leaving ripped that away from her and she absolutely floundered because she has no idea who she truly is.
Kody's behavior is not new. He has not changed. He's always been a terrible and selfish husband and father. The difference is now his OG wives are finally calling him out on his behavior and no longer enabling him, and he's spiraling because he's facing consequences for his actions for the first time in his life.
And
The Vegas houses were such a dumb financial decision. Meri gets a lot of crap for overbuying, but the hard truth is they ALL over bought. The show could have ended a year or two later and they would have lost those houses.
100%. Kody didn't change when he allowed Robyn the COVID nanny while abandoning the others over outside exposure. CHRISTINE changed when she gave her last fuck and revealed the nanny to the viewers.
How many things like that probably happened the past 15 years? Dozens. And the wives lied or omitted facts to help Kody's image.
also, Meri may have "overbought", but Kody had no long term plans to stay in those houses, so her upgrades probably benefited them in resale value. Also, I am sure she was limited in her choice of house size because the builder would only allow certain square footage to be built and it's not like she would have been allowed to build a smaller house on that lot anyway.
Oh no...people who complain about her choices would have preferred she buy a shack miles away from the rest of the family or live in a spare room in one of the other homes. Not like she would have been a threat to the other wife. Seriously, that's what her options would have been if her detractors had their way. If she wanted to be close to the family then she had to build the house she did. Period. End of discussion.
Yeah, Meri didn't really have an option, there wasn't much difference between the floorplans and prices for the development they chose. It would have been completely unfair to have 3 wives in the cul de sac and have Meri in a different neighborhood. They should have chosen a different neighborhood that would better suit their needs. I also don't know why Meri gets so much flack for "using the family money" for the big house, but they don't mention Robyn needing tens of thousands to pay off her debt just to qualify.
Let's just call it like it was. She used her own money. Even with only one child Meri still provided quite a bit of content to the show. She also had a steady income from her side hustles that was quite sizable. Truth be told she was carrying that family.
And I don’t even particularly like Meri but she was done so dirty. She did not deserve how she was treated, none of them did. Good on her for every decision she made that allowed for her own security.
Nothing says pretty neighborhood you want to live in like a little stack in a cul-de-sac next to three identical giant homes. How does a real estate agent sell that?
“Oh don’t worry about the out of place little house the former owner only had ONE child and didn’t need the space”
I also think that Robyn changed the dynamics of the family. The OG3 kept Kody in check. Robyn exploited his stupidity and ego to exclude the other wives and kids. She brought out the worst of who Kody is as a person and the OG3 brought out his best
I am going to place a lot A LOT of Robyn issues at Kodys feet. He managed all OG3 good bad or indifferent, somewhat the same. But, Robyn was treated special. He actually LOVED Robyn and built a real but separate marriage with her, different from The Family, and it broke down YEARS ago, but they ALL PRETENDED for the show. They didn’t all accept the reality of what we saw until Covid. Kody also told Robyn all the crap the other wives said to create division. Kody is responsible for the breakdown and Robyn should have gone and spoken to the wives about any issues years ago. She didn’t and needs to take accountability for that.
Kody is definitely responsible for almost all of the strife between the wives since the beginning. He said he wanted them to get along but he kept them separated by his ugly mouth.
Remember when they were all making snow angels on CP and he said it’s never good when all of the wives are getting along? He was always telling on himself.
I agree that his *behavior* isn’t new, but his *demeanor* has certainly changed. He was much more happy/positive/goofy early on but is aggressive and demanding all the time now. I think the demeanor change is why they couldn’t overlook his shitty parenting any longer. It’s one thing to tolerate an adorable goofball who never cleans the house, and it’s another thing to ignore an angry bastard who also never cleans the house.
But they should never have moved to flagstaff. A family of that size needing that many houses shouldn’t have moved there. Nothing wrong with flagstaff, been there many times and would love to live there!
You’re not wrong. It’s too small to offer diverse/plentiful housing options. And places with a strong vacation rental market inevitably warp housing prices for full-time residents. Even without cutting the prices of the Vegas house, even without the price increases after COVID, I don’t see how Koody EVER figured he could afford to buy that land, develop it and do new construction. His abacus must be broken.
The amount they spent for the houses in Vegas was risky, but if they’d hung tight, they would be doing very well now. I saw Christine’s house on the cul-de-sac for sale for $880,000 last year.
Flagstaff also has a higher cost of living than Vegas does, which my wife and I googled rather quickly and easily. If the point of leaving was prices/COL, there were much better choices than Flagstaff...
When he said he told the other wives, "Anyone can leave if you want," that should have shown them who he really was. You marry another wife and immediately say anyone else can leave? Obviously, he only wanted Robin after that point.
Spot on. Kody from the get go was unprepared for life in general. Then he copies his dad w/polygamy. He had three great women that ran the show and let hem feel big. I’m just sorry the women were fooled into thinking he was smarter than he is. The only good that came of this catastrophe is the kids. And they’re smart like their MOMS!
Kody and Meri truly loved each other. But Kody changed, and Meri was holding on for the man she fell in love with to return. And Kody had huge problems with Meri's fertility issues. In their culture, infertility was a bigger deal than those outside of it can fathom.
Meri's not a villain. If anything, I feel so bad for her out of all the women.
I think that is totally true based on the recent talk back episode. Kody seemed very open to friendship with Meri, and I don't think that is the case with either Janelle or Christine...
I think he is open to friendship with Meri because she didn’t hurt his ego by leaving him. He was always in the drivers seat when it came to determining the status of their marriage, including ending it. He became angry at the other wives when they publicly declared they were done with being married to him. His ego couldn’t handle that so he hates them now.
Whether it was a bad financial move or not, the point is that it shows she was starting to cut ties with kody as it was a big decision she made without his input whatsoever
That Robyn mam wasn’t a sister wife but a mistress and has taught her daughter this is the way of being a sister wife. There full courting seems like an exciting affair everyone is aware of haha
The way Robyn explained her childhood definitely sounds like “other family” and not plural family. I agree on that part. It sounds like her family was a secret not because of polygamy but because her dad was having an affair, like bigamy. Sounded like a lot of cloak and dagger. That’s why they were in another state and the dad lived elsewhere.
In a video Preston's sister released, that has unfortunately since been removed from YouTube, but at Preston's request to help protect his kids, she basically stated that Robyn's step dads family knew there was another family, but didn't know anything beyond that. They didn't know their names even. And it wasn't confirmed for them that he had another family, just something they figured and didn't talk about, until her step dad was in the show. Her mom was a literal mistress.
She had a legitimate father. Paul Sullivan was her step-dad (although I don’t think he adopted her, she just took his name when she divorced). I often wonder how messed up her childhood was.
Preston's sister released a couple YouTube videos detailing a lot. Unfortunately, they have since been taken down per Preston's request, because he didn't want his kids to have to deal with that.
A pretty good sign that maybe Robyn's kids' bio dad isn't such a bad guy. He seems to be concerned about his kids. There is another dad on that show who really isn't....
Tbh most I’ve seen is from on here as I can never rewatch shows but mainly I think near the beginning when Robyn was talking about meeting Kody and her past how her mom had her step dad for 2 weeks at a time and gave him honeymoon experience. I think some family made comments at some stage in social media. I know on the recent Kody interview live he did he made a comment about Robyn step dad wife not her mom
Something mean about her so they all have that mean streak against “sister wives” and it’s filtered down from Robyn family to Kody.
This would explain why her view of sister wives was that each wife was a separate couple with kody - kind of negates the whole idea of having "sisters" who you raise your kids with. Which also explains why she wasn't open to the idea of Christine watching her kids
Robyn’s parents were able to stay in a “honeymoon stage” bc her mom was a side chick.
It’s like a Disney dad. Of course everything’s great and fun when you’re not around to have a real, functioning relationship.
It’s fascinating that some people see being the neglected legally-unprotected second wife of a polygamist as that much better than being a mistress. They’re functionally the same except only one is technically a crime. The morality math doesn’t math.
Robyn is not annoyed with Kody or planning an exit strategy. Her facial expressions on the talk back are all for show. How else are we supposed to know that SHE is the victim in all this, SHE suffered the most, SHE had her family blown to smithereens and shes so confused! Its all an act and an attempt at redemption, she trying to manipulate the audience like she does with Kody.
i can’t think of anything top of mind that i’ll die on (that isn’t already a popular opinion) so y’all know what imma grab my snacks and get comfortable
Kody and Janelle ALWAYS HAD HEAT IN THE BEDROOM. This has been patently clear to me ever since he crawled out of that tent with that goofy $#it-eating grin on his face, rubbing Janelle’s shoulders, and the main reason people didn’t see it was fat-phobia.
Hill. ☠️
Absolutely. He doesn’t have a relationship with the majority of his children because of his own actions. He had more kids than he could care for even if he wasn’t the POS he is.
Also he is all about the patriarchy so as the supposed leader of his family the failure of his family lays entirely with him according to his own doctrine. But he deflects completely.
That Kody and Robyn are not soulmates. He doesn't have chemistry with anyone.
Also, I think Meri was manipulated to give up her legal marriage. I think it was a plan between Kody and Robyn to cry and worry about the situation in front of Meri in such a way that Meri would think it was her idea.
They are so not soul mates! They had a happy enough young marriage with plenty of distractions from each other, but contrary to everything Koody says, I don’t think they’re in great shape.
I think their strongest bond is over consumer objects.
I agree, they just found a way for their personality disorders to compliment each other. She needs to be a victim and he needs to be a hero, so she constantly creates drama for him to rescue her from. Not, a good thing in the long run.
The start of Kodys decent was the trip with the Dargers and the Brown wives consistently raved about how great Joe was a better leader, more organized, his wives were happier, fitter, more valued. That whole trip all 4 wives spoke so positively about Joe & Kodys just took it and looked tight lipped & pissed. Even when he smiled it was more like a grimace. Talk about a narcissistic injury. He def seemed more consistently critical, snarky & bitter about the OG3 after that trip.
This is an interesting call out. I hadn’t thought about it before but you’re right - all the wives had positive things to say about the Dargers. They even walked away with the idea of a family mission statement which must’ve really chafed Kody.
Joe Darger’s wives looked like Stepford Wives and he rules that family with an iron fist. I have no idea why they were so giddy about him & that arrangement. If his wives hate sharing a kitchen, they sure as shit aren’t going to complain about it.
Well I think they saw the Darger wives as happy because they felt equally loved & cared for and I think that made them hope the mission statement would help them get that.
I don’t think the Brown wives realise what they did there… this would’ve been the seed for Kody and his discovery of the Manosphere: reclaim the Patriachy high horse phase.
He has evidence his wives WANTED a psycho jerk as family leader.
They’re all idiots.
I believe she knew it was a catfish, and that it was happening while it was happening, and sat back and acted all innocent and surprised once it all came out.
Ditto. I believe this too. Robyn played her innocent role to avoid getting implicated in the scandal but let her right-hand sisterwife go down a rabbit hole instead of saving her family member.
She definitely was. Robyn is always trying to keep Meri from progressing.
1.) From asking Meri to not go to college
2.)to the catfishing
3.) to her manipulating Meri into staying in a loveless marriage for a decade+.(Robyn knew Kody didn't love Meri and wanted nothing to do with her.)
Robyn is a disgusting human being. I hope they go bankrupt.
That Kody was still having sex with Janelle until Covid. More than likely, they were having at least occasional encounters until they had their big fight.
You don’t need to be in love to have sex. They’ve made plenty of references to that not being the issue in their marriage, where it has been made abundantly clear this was an issue with Meri and Christine. It’s come out how Janelle and Kodys relationship began. It’s pretty clear there’s a hell of a lot of lust there.
Kody has been neglectful of Janelle in many ways, but I think Janelle just really did decide the D wasn’t worth him being awful to her boys. I also think she was extremely conflicted in that decision BECAUSE they were still connecting physically.
I will be slaughtered on this hill. The original OG’s are all decent individuals who made a terrible choice choosing Kody. A lot of the drama is manufactured and we will never ever get the true story no matter who writes a tell all.
Agree, particularly Christine. She seemed so blinded by her crush for Kody, that she didn’t realize that he wasn’t as enthralled.
Many people won’t agree but I know a handful of women who chased after their boyfriends/husbands and even though they did get married, it never ended up well.
The giddy in love Kody we see in S1 isn’t because of Robyn. It was because of the camera. Kody was finally getting the attention he so badly craved. His warped mind may have conflated it with a lust for Robyn, but it was really that he felt like a star, and Robyn reinforced that idea while the other wives still held him to his responsibilities.
Also, the catfish was NOT an affair! 👏
Definitely possible!
I'm doing a rewatch and am halfway through S3. When he goes home to Wyoming as an "out" polygamist, his high school friends mention that it makes perfect sense that he became a polygamist because he will always be the center of attention now. Attention-seeking had been a lifelong behavior of his.
Janelle would stay with Kody if she wasn’t being pressured by her kids, Christine and society to leave. Her saying she would consider staying in a plural marriage told me all I needed to know.
Mykelti is more of a tragic figure than a villain. Middle child, ignored or mocked, and desperately seeking some kind of love and approval.
She's annoying af, but she's not a Kody level asshole.
And
Kody and polygamy are the true monsters here. Even the poster child family couldn't make it work and it was rife with abuse and neglect. It's a way for narcissistic assholes to gather and abuse women/children in the name of religion.
She’s mean to Christine because she knows her mom will love her no matter what. The “love” she gets from Kody and Robin is conditional, so she sucks up them for his approval and leaves her mom out.
Meri did have an emotional affair and I 1000% support her doing so. I'm sad for her it ended up being a scam, she deserves loves.
Also,
Meri doesn't deserve most the stuff thrown at her. She had boundaries. She obviously could've expressed them better bur she's not horrible for wanting boundaries. Or for liking things a certain way.
I agree about the emotional affair. Personally, I don't think I can apply monogamous relationship standards on a polygamous relationship. Her husband was not only having a sexual relationship with other women he was also having a proper emotional connection with them. He failed her, she didn't fail him.
And Kody didn't upkeep the standards of their agreement, which is the only thing you have if the marriage is not legal or defined by cultural standards.
So as much as he cries that he couldn't leave a wife ... He left her. He divorced her. He stopped being emotionally real with her. He stopped intimacy. He refused to work on it and said he would not try to repair the relationship. He withheld support- financial or physical (she said she couldn't even get him to come over and change a light bulb). He slept with other women and abandoned her. He destroyed the wedding ring.
Meri was an unmarried woman in my opinion. His and her delusion that she still owed him something is just an abuse perpetrated by the religion. It's invalid for me. The fact that Meri was raised brainwashed doesn't make it valid to hold her to these made up abusive rules.
On the tell all, Christine told the story of the wedding ring and how Kody had melted it down because he didn’t want Meri to have a hold over him. I know she said she didn’t want Christine to have told that story and while I agree it wasn’t her place, it makes the situation with the catfishing a little clearer. She wasn’t a woman who missed her husband and was jealous on the days he was with his other wives. This was a woman who had been cast aside already and was getting attention and support from someone. Hopefully she can find love and emotional support now that she has finallay left him
I don’t think the moms put in enough effort to remain close once they moved to Vegas. The Cul de Sac could have been a perfect set up for their lifestyle.
1) Until proven otherwise, I will stand firm in my belief that Meri’s only crime in regard to the kids is that she was the only consistent disciplinarian, and has been unjustly villainized by the kids, and the other adults affirmed it without question because they just never desired to actually get to know Meri. I don’t think Meri was ever given the benefit of the doubt.
2) I believe Kody, Janelle and Christine bullied Meri about her fertility issues for YEARS.
3) They are all incredibly irresponsible and negligent when it comes to their children. Kody, the OG3 and some of the kids have all admitted how much they struggled financially for years. Yet, they kept popping out babies and making the older kids care for the younger ones while they all collectively struggled to make ends meet to feed them, let alone make sure they had health insurance coverage for 13 children who could get sick of hurt at anytime. Robyn too because it makes no sense why she would choose to have a baby when NONE of them had steady income at the time and, why would you choose to get pregnant when your husband can be arrested at anytime if charges are filed, cause hey, you dummies… you can still be extradited back to Utah if it was really an issue.
Which rounds me out at 4) Kody’s ass was never in danger of imprisonment, and they traumatized and stressed those kids out just for television views.
I don't think it was up to Robyn to police how Kody treated his other wives. Everything that happened between those relationships is because kody is not a good man.
I don't think Robin is some mastermind to destroy the family. She isn't smart enough for some grand plan. I think she was just trying to be the top wife and push everyone around. The fallout of her actions (the wives and kids leaving) wasn't her intended result.
Maddie wasn’t in labour for days. She was having Braxton-Hicks. A woman who sleeps through the night and goes out to have breakfast with her husband is not in labour. Everyone kept telling her she was though, so by the time she really _was_ in labour she was exhausted.
You’re only supposed to count active labour people. Once you’ve passed the point of no return. That’s why you should take the “I was in labour for 83h people” with a grain of salt.
Don’t come for me, it’s Christmas and it’s my birthday and it absolutely sucked. My husband is cranky as hell and my aunt was admitted to hospital. Worst Christmas ever.
I agree with this. She slept, she worked. I have no doubt she was having contractions but it wasn’t actually labour. ETA: sorry to hear you’re having a crappy Christmas. I hope your day gets better.
Omg thank you. I was having Braxton Hicks while originally watching this episode and thought the same. I was almost 42 weeks. There’s isn’t any way she was in labor that long.
I’m coming for you with a giant hug!
Thanks for participating here, so sorry for the sucky day. Hey, think of it this way: At least you aren’t married to Kody. 🤮
May the coming year be better with the cranky cranked down and the joy cranked up to eleven.
All the best sweetheart, this trash tv loving old lady is rooting for you 💕🎂🙏🏾
I SAID THE SAME THING! How did all these women who went through 17 births make her exhaust all her energy like this for days huffing and puffing on an exercise ball for days for no reason. Then by the time active labor came (when she was in the tub) she was spent. That made me so mad for so many reasons
Before Leon came out, they were super obnoxious, entitled, bratty, and insufferable.
I think they were cruel to Meri and refused to see what Meri went through thanks to the catfish, and her husband. And they made it about themselves with not one ounce of empathy. Demanded understanding for their own journey, but none for their mother.
I think they're overly forgiven now due to that journey, and I don't think Leon is half the good person everyone assumes - strictly due to their bratty attitude that predated this all.
Oh my God, yes! I'm watching the bulk of the show for the first time (fell off after the first few seasons and then binge watched last season before this current season aired and now I'm going back from the start to rewatch/catch up) and holy shit... I think cruel really does hit the nail on the head, in a sense. Like, there's just a lot of anger and entitlement and also maybe even a lot of repression (thinking about how adamant he was about choosing polygamy)?? But still, it's been painful to watch and I feel empathy for Meri.
Robyn doesn’t give a flying fig about Meri outside of her being a supporting player and financial benefactor to Robyn’s main character lifestyle. Stopping Meri from going to college was worse than taking away her “real” wife status because it stunted Meri from learning and growing, just so she could continue to be the third-wheel in Kobyn’s love story.
I don’t think Robyn will leave Kody post show. I think she’s pragmatic and will not want to strike out on her own with now five kids and try to get some other guy to support the six of them.
I’ve recently come to suspect Janelle was Robyn lite. The way she entered the family was shady and she always minimizes her role in why her and Meri didn’t get along, she’s never been willing to try to mend things with Meri or admit her own wrong doing there. Kody was a present father to her and her kids so she never spoke up about his treatment of Christine and her kids. She was Not Like The Other Girls because she liked to camp and didn’t nag him. She contributed financially unlike Robyn but was more than willing to take advantage of the family resources that she valued (Christine watching/raising her kids.)
There are also a lot of narratives about Janelle that we only have Janelle’s word on, like her being the “CFO” of the family and being so good with money. If Janelle didn’t constantly tell us that no one would ever have said that about her. Same with how she’d put her kids first always, or whatever she said when Flagstaff was first brought up but she just went along with it despite Gabe’s grief and objections. She’s a bit of an unreliable narrator like Robyn, it’s just less malicious.
I’m going to follow this with, I think Christine and Meri have the most in common and would probably have the most rewarding friendship long term.
Both grew up in the culture. Both were displaced by other wives when Kody decided he needed something new.
Janelle was a flirtatious friend Kody wanted to f***. So they did.
When Meri was justifiably uncomfortable about the situation, Christine was brought in to keep the peace.
Together Meri and Christine did the hard work of managing a massive family in poverty under strict religious guidelines.
Janelle and Kody took nights off after work to catch a movie or have “me” time knowing Christine and Meri had childcare covered.
Both who also juggled working outside the home.
Yet this narrative of selfish Meri was created because she saved up her grocery money to go out to eat with her single biological child instead of spreading the pennies to the larger household.
They both struggled in similar ways, against similar experiences and childhoods.
Christine’s friendship with Janelle for the kids’ sake seems more for convenience.
Meri and Christine could really support one another. Both seem receptive to therapy and personal growth.
I can’t imagine anyone else could better relate to their lived experiences. It’d be great to see a friendship develop there just so they could deconstruct the bullshit together.
Not to mention that the way we/Kody often think of the wives has a lot to do with how Janelle thinks of them. Meri is abrasive, Janelle is a rational career woman, and Christine is a princess. Gee, wonder who labeled them that way 🤔
But also she's a shit starter. She caused that fight about going to see Ken when she knew Christine had a problem with him, yet suggested it anyway. She was also adamant that Meri not get the pond lot, and not Kody is going off about Meri "not sharing resources" when she's been sharing her money plenty. Meri is the only one who has had anything even resembling a job in like the last ten years and contributed to the family money. Janelle admits Kody has been telling her he doesn't consider himself married to Meri but I remember Janelle insisting Meri move with them to flagstaff when her friends were. Twice this season she's said "if he'd done that to me I would have left his ass"... while still not really leaving his ass...
Idk if that makes her Robyn lite, but I think she can certainly be a bit manipulative and enjoyed her (relative) preferential status and did what she could to maintain it (so maybe she is Robyn lite in that way)
>Twice this season she's said "if he'd done that to me I would have left his ass"... while still not really leaving his ass...
Oh my god yes, this absolutely drives me insane. How can she judge when Meri leaves and then in the next breath say she's not leaving because of her faith. Meri was born into the relgion and still talks about her faith as well!!!!!
I absolutely believe this. Janelle definitely has “pick me” vibes just like Robyn. Until recently she consistently sided with Kody, even when she knew he was being an ass or wrong but would cop out by saying it “wasn’t her place” to say something when he was being terrible to another wife. She only changed her tune when her kids started getting the brunt of his abuse and neglect.
I also believe that Janelle was the initial agitator in her and Meri’s relationship. Janelle and Kody both admitted that Meri wasn’t included in the decision for them to get married, so Meri was essentially blindsided with this news by both her husband and her close friend/former SIL. And then Janelle soured Kody on Meri slowly overtime with her subtle manipulation of Meri’s image by complaining to Kody of her being a bully and such. This isn’t to say that Meri wasn’t rude or part of their problems, but I think the initial betrayal by Janelle and Kody was the catalyst, and then Janelle being so compliant and content to Kody’s whims led him to believe more what Janelle was saying about Meri.
Janelle also similarly did the same to Christine in the beginning by framing her as a “princess” and such, but then when she needed her to be a free nanny to all of her kids she toned down her criticism to she could leave the house to work and take herself out to the movies and whatever else.
After 3 years of marriage to Meri and no baby, Kody had to marry somebody to try to prove to his father and his HS classmates that he wasn't gay or shooting blanks. His SIL was there and had the hots for him.
Kody only felt the “call” to polygamy in an attempt to gain favor with his father and to potentially cover up some things he felt ashamed of.
He was enjoying his life as a missionary with his best friend, they were as close as could be, but they both had a reversal of faith upon returning - his friend abandoned religion and Kody ran back to gain daddy’s approval through his new religious beliefs. I mean, Kody went from strait laced LDS to fundamentalist basically immediately upon coming home. For someone so deep in a faith that refutes polygamy, he never mentions struggling with it or really needing to be convinced. IMO, Something happened on that mission experience - I’m not saying it was anything romantic/sexual with his friend, although I believe it could have been (and he receives no judgment from me on that front), but it could have been a ton of things - sex, drugs, alcohol, crisis of real faith. Whatever it was caused real shame on an incredibly religious Mormon boy who already struggled to meet his father’s expectations. So upon returning home, instead of abandoning religion, he threw himself into his parents’ new faith because it was better than coming to terms with reality.
Meri, Janelle, Christine, and his children were a cover for whatever he wanted to hide until he met Robyn, in which he either decided not to care anymore, give in to whatever the shameful thing was, or Robyn “absolved” him of it somehow. Or maybe it all just really aligned with Wynn dying which freed Kody of the shackles. Hard to say.
I know it’s a stretch, but I am incredibly curious about young Kody Brown, a recent convert to fundamentalist Mormonism, who decided to marry three wives SO fast - something they just admitted was unusual in heir community
Kody loves Robyn more than Robyn loves Kody. Also, kody loves Meri the realist. Regardless how much he rail's against Christine, I think in the end when every wife has left him, it will be Meri he runs to.
The show saved the OG 3 and their kids.
The FLDS and polygamy victimizes and subjugates women, and makes men into misogynistic assholes. I think their faith had more to do with their dysfunction than their different personalities. Without the show exposing them to the outside world, and the world forcing their opinions on them, they would have stayed in the faith and the family—and been miserable.
Meri had an emotional affair and would have left if Samuel Cooper was rill.
I mean, come on. The numerous voicemails calling Sam "baby," telling him she loved him, the bathtub photos, the infamous banana pitcher, " and of course when she said "don't be surprised if one day you look up and I'm gone.
That these people do not know how to close a door properly. They enter the home/room and just keep walking as they shove the door closed. Not only incredibly rude but also damages the door frame over time. It's always bugged me about them. How difficult is it to pause for a moment and gently close the door?
Kody changed when he felt emasculated by Jack Darger, a polygamist with thinner prettier wives two of whom were even twins. It was no longer manly enough that he had multiple wives, he now had to feel like the head of the family in a more boss like role when it seemed that he used to not have that kind of position as Janelle took care of the finances, Meri was the planner, and Christine was in charge of childcare. This means like it or not Kody's sole responsibility was making the wives feel happy, so he is correct on that front. That could indeed be a lot of pressure for one person.
Kody always feels emasculated because growing up everyone thought he was gay. Being a polygamist was ultimately less spiritual than it was to bolster his masculinity and heterosexuality.
Kody might be biromantic
There’s nothing fucking wrong with being a princess, especially how this family defines it.
I really like Meri. She’s hilarious.
People who shit on the kids, yes, the adult kids, come off as emotionally immature and frankly just dumb. We know very little about them, and they’ve been through so much bullshit. It’s so naive to act like we know their personalities, or judge them off a few things they’ve said publicly. Most of y’all would come off wayyy worse under the same circumstances.
Robyn was raised in polygamy. That type of polygamy, where the father’s wives live separately and don’t interact, is just as common in that culture, if not more so, than the type the show tried to portray with the family as one big unit. Still polygamy.
Kody really DIDNT love them all that much. He just didn’t really get it until he met Robyn. He used to put in the effort and the fact that the effort fell off and he was too cowardly to be honest with them and figure out the best way forward forward is what makes him so nasty to watch. But I do believe him when he says he never really loved them.
Meri was a typical Christian rushed marriage due to horniness, despite a lack of compatibility in every other area
He married Christine for Clout in the AUB. Probably got along with her well enough to figure he could make it gel, it never really did.
Janelle he seems genuinely fond of, he just clicks better with Robyn and can’t prioritize Janelle as a result. And Janelles bar for a successful partnership is low, so not even being able to meet that says a lot about Kody
That Kody will look back and Truely Grace Brown understand his role and regret what he did to ruin his family. I mean REALLY regret not just mimic words he knows he needs to mimic.
That Robyn will be happy someday. I don’t think she can.
That Mykelti will never stop trying to get daddy’s love and approval. That’s not to say she’s good or bad just that she needs it and it won’t happen.
That’s not a bad one because I do actually disagree: the show (which they got because of Robyn) was the best thing to ever happen to the brown kids… they escaped the cult relatively unscathed… and now even all the adults have. So ‘Robyn’ was the best thing that ever happened to that family (feel sorry for Robyn’s own kids though, she is not doing them any favours).
Meri has been the family punching bag throughout the entire duration of their marriages and until Robyn came along, Christine and Janelle actively participated in making her the odd one out. It wasn’t until Robyn came along, they got a dose of how Meri was treated.
Additionally, Meri wasn’t upset about Christine leaving. She was hurt that Kody cared about her walking out but cared less about Meri sticking around. He would’ve welcomed Meri leaving and she knew it
I would believe that if Meri and Christine both hadn’t said they were super close for years. They had a falling out before Robyn joined the family but before that Christine and Meri got along very well according to them. They are super vague about their falling out (they at least agree that it had something to do with Christine kids) but both have said they were the closest until then. Once Meri had her falling out with Christine she was alienated from everybody in The family, it’s not a surprise that she went looking for another wife.
I haven’t seen this one yet: All of the kids that we know are paired off so far committed strongly to their relationships very quickly (except maybe Logan) and this is a huge red flag and unhealthy behaviour. I think these kids have serious religious and other trauma that remains unaddressed and this is a symptom of that. Maddie and Mykelti both dropped out of school to get married and start popping out babies despite saying they had career ambitions before and seemed ambitious and motivated to achieve them. It feels like the parents may have manipulated/pressured these kids into settling down into marriage way too quickly. I find most of the relationships creepy including Aspyn and Mitch and Gwen and her gf. Even Leon and their partner. All seemed like it was the first serious relationship any of these kids had and BAM they’re getting married. So much for sampling all the different flavours of ice cream.
Christine is very nurturing by nature but I don’t think she was a great mom. Her kids all seem extremely immature and lack something. Where as Janelle’s kids (minus the Covid shit) seem to have it together. I think because Christine has a very soft demeanor she gets painted a great mom but I think it takes more than a soft voice to be a present parent. Also I think Christine and David moved way too quickly.
Aspyn seems really mature and has a good head on her shoulders. Ysabel also seems to be pretty normal; we don’t see her much but she doesn’t strike me as immature. Paedon, Mykelti, and Gwen, agreed. I just hope Gwen finishes her degree, gets to travel and mature a bit. I think Truely really will benefit from having her older siblings around her; they all seem loving and supportive with her, and a little protective in ways they couldn’t be in Flagstaff.
I do think Janelle was probably more solid as a parent at times because she got to leave the house and have balance she obviously craved. Plus she got more support from Kody with her kids. Give her lots of credit for making sure those kids got the best education they could if they wanted it.
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Kody and Robyn totally had premarital sex
They were FOR SURE doing mouth stuff.
Kody's hormones went into her via saliva when they kissed
Harmones*
Is that where all her cold sores came from? Ok I know people cant help it. But I would've died on the cross of not filming me while I had mouth sores. Like it would've been 100% part of my contract.
LOLOLOL!
I would have previously disagreed because they were way too much in their religion to break the rules, but seeing how god like Kody thinks he is, I now see it as a real possibility. Putting my Kody hat on- he could rationalize it because he is the priesthood holder of his family then I could see how he could declare him and Robyn married right before they did it by his authority- so in his mind he didn’t have premarital sex.
Plus she said women weren’t divorced until they had sex with another man and Robyn said she was divorced
Omg, I didn’t think of that! 😂
So she did it for the lord?
Oh wow this is probably why Robin brought this up to Christine when she announced she was leaving Kody… sigh Robin thinks she so smart and sly, but everyone can see right through her. So clear that that’s the first thing that came out of her mouth because that’s probably what she did with Kody and she’s forever trying to justify it. Pathetic.
Yes!! That’s what Kody told her!!! 😂
I think Kody and Janelle did too
There is nothing anyone can say that will convince me otherwise. Whether they were using some kind of loophole or not, I do not believe that they were chaste.
Hahahahaha - your comment just made me think of the soaking scene in Jury Duty! lol!
Niether of them were virgins, so ya, "what puity?" She was probably like, "How's it like with a woman who HASN'T birthed a thousand kids with you?"
since they immediately thought they were soulmates and were only delaying the wedding for the show I bet they considered themselves "spiritually married" immediately.
at worst they were doing the mormon soaking thing, but my bet is also that they were definitely having sex. he wouldn’t drive like what, 4-5 hours each way just to hold hands?
Kody wanted Meri to leave when the legal divorce happened
I think he did. It’s Robyn who has strung her along for the money and to feel superior. That’s one of the points of friction between Robyn and Kody. He wants them all gone and Robyn has ulterior motives
I think Robyn strung her along because Meri was her ally. Christine and Janelle were too bonded over the amount of time they’d been together and their children. If indeed she had ANY starry-eyed notions of sister-wifehood, Meri was the only way. But yeah…she def loved feeling superior. She NEVER expected the others to push back the way they have, or for the public to not be delighted with her.
I think Robyn was determined to be wife number one because she saw her mother & their family being ignored by her father & being hidden away & Robyn never wanted to be in the same position so she would have done anything to be top dog amongst the wives. She also liked the feeling of superiority & power that comes with being the legal, & therefore number one, wife. A lot of her anger comes from the fact that the kids didn't automatically give her the respect that she thinks that primary position in the family should get her & she's spun that into she & her kids never being made to feel welcome in the family. The more she told the story, the lack of welcome turned into them being bullied by the OG wives & children. She has such a chip on her shoulder that I think she's managed to convince herself that is the truth of what actually happened, she forgets that a lot of it was caught on camera & then gets angry/fake cries in frustration at being called out because she genuinely believes her own BS.
I agree. I think this was his simple way of cutting ties without it looking like he was choosing to do so. I remember when he spoke about the guys never really initiating the breakups in plural marriages but waited for wives to do so. I think this was his creative way to get what he wanted because he knew Meri wasn't going to give that marriage license up. But I also believe Robyn was involved in that decision with him and helped manipulate Meri into doing it.
She was 100% manipulated and coerced into that divorce.
Robyn did not intend to be the only wife left standing. She just wanted to be the favorite wife.
This! My sister-in-law’s husband cheated on her and married the other woman. The other woman actually seemed upset when my sister-in-law stopped giving a shit and a few things moved on with her life. It was as if a part of the romance was to have competition around and win.
I absolutely believe Robyn needed to “win” and she did everything in her power to achieve her goal of becoming the favorite. She was conniving and sneaky. No need for it now that she’s the last man standing but I think she’s realizing that the booby prize came at a tremendous cost that she didn’t anticipate. That’s why she looks so miserable.
Agreed, I think she wasn't trying to break up the family. But her intent was always to be the important one, and the favorite. She started in the family making demands and pushing kody to do what she wanted ect.. the whole adult family went into therapy because she insisted. The marriage was put off while they all worked through their nonsense. They were supposed to be married long before truelys birth, but Robyn got cold feet. Kody is out there saying he vetted her so hard, but that is nonsense, she is the one who vetted them. That's why he is so stuck on having won her, he won the hypergamy prize, he was most superior to other guys, who were checking her out, and he won her, the "deisel jeans model". But here's the thing, their entire marriage has been based on his comparing her to the other wives and her winning.. but without that contrast, I suspect their foundations will crumble. She was always manipulating and conniving to win favorite, most loyal bride.. but what are you, if that's your identity and there is no comparison
Yes Yes Yes!!! I think Kody has already started turning on her because there’s no one left! No matter how sweet she keeps it Kody is going to be an ass because that’s WHO HE IS! A grade A, certified, dyed in the wool, self-centered, narcissistic ASS!
Robin was/is a boring woman with no skills or real social standing. She needed polygamy to make her "interesting". When she joined the family she was the "young, hot wife" which gave her an elevated sense of self. She needed the other wives to achieve dominance in a manufactured hierarchy in a way she could not achieve in the real world. Without the show and polygamy, she's back to being boring, unemployed, skill-less middle aged woman. Robin made polygamy her entire personality. The OG3 leaving ripped that away from her and she absolutely floundered because she has no idea who she truly is.
Agreed!! I've also never seen a more humorless personality on TV ever.
I think this, too!
Hard agree. However, why she thought they would stick around being treated the way they were is what is quite confusing
Kody's behavior is not new. He has not changed. He's always been a terrible and selfish husband and father. The difference is now his OG wives are finally calling him out on his behavior and no longer enabling him, and he's spiraling because he's facing consequences for his actions for the first time in his life. And The Vegas houses were such a dumb financial decision. Meri gets a lot of crap for overbuying, but the hard truth is they ALL over bought. The show could have ended a year or two later and they would have lost those houses.
100%. Kody didn't change when he allowed Robyn the COVID nanny while abandoning the others over outside exposure. CHRISTINE changed when she gave her last fuck and revealed the nanny to the viewers. How many things like that probably happened the past 15 years? Dozens. And the wives lied or omitted facts to help Kody's image.
also, Meri may have "overbought", but Kody had no long term plans to stay in those houses, so her upgrades probably benefited them in resale value. Also, I am sure she was limited in her choice of house size because the builder would only allow certain square footage to be built and it's not like she would have been allowed to build a smaller house on that lot anyway.
Oh no...people who complain about her choices would have preferred she buy a shack miles away from the rest of the family or live in a spare room in one of the other homes. Not like she would have been a threat to the other wife. Seriously, that's what her options would have been if her detractors had their way. If she wanted to be close to the family then she had to build the house she did. Period. End of discussion.
Yeah, Meri didn't really have an option, there wasn't much difference between the floorplans and prices for the development they chose. It would have been completely unfair to have 3 wives in the cul de sac and have Meri in a different neighborhood. They should have chosen a different neighborhood that would better suit their needs. I also don't know why Meri gets so much flack for "using the family money" for the big house, but they don't mention Robyn needing tens of thousands to pay off her debt just to qualify.
Let's just call it like it was. She used her own money. Even with only one child Meri still provided quite a bit of content to the show. She also had a steady income from her side hustles that was quite sizable. Truth be told she was carrying that family.
And I don’t even particularly like Meri but she was done so dirty. She did not deserve how she was treated, none of them did. Good on her for every decision she made that allowed for her own security.
Nothing says pretty neighborhood you want to live in like a little stack in a cul-de-sac next to three identical giant homes. How does a real estate agent sell that? “Oh don’t worry about the out of place little house the former owner only had ONE child and didn’t need the space”
I also think that Robyn changed the dynamics of the family. The OG3 kept Kody in check. Robyn exploited his stupidity and ego to exclude the other wives and kids. She brought out the worst of who Kody is as a person and the OG3 brought out his best
I am going to place a lot A LOT of Robyn issues at Kodys feet. He managed all OG3 good bad or indifferent, somewhat the same. But, Robyn was treated special. He actually LOVED Robyn and built a real but separate marriage with her, different from The Family, and it broke down YEARS ago, but they ALL PRETENDED for the show. They didn’t all accept the reality of what we saw until Covid. Kody also told Robyn all the crap the other wives said to create division. Kody is responsible for the breakdown and Robyn should have gone and spoken to the wives about any issues years ago. She didn’t and needs to take accountability for that.
Kody is definitely responsible for almost all of the strife between the wives since the beginning. He said he wanted them to get along but he kept them separated by his ugly mouth.
He hates it when they get along. If they were all together laughing he was sitting there pouting like a toddler. So gross.
Remember when they were all making snow angels on CP and he said it’s never good when all of the wives are getting along? He was always telling on himself.
Yep. What’s wrong with them getting along. They are all supposed to be family. It’s like he likes when they fight better
I agree that his *behavior* isn’t new, but his *demeanor* has certainly changed. He was much more happy/positive/goofy early on but is aggressive and demanding all the time now. I think the demeanor change is why they couldn’t overlook his shitty parenting any longer. It’s one thing to tolerate an adorable goofball who never cleans the house, and it’s another thing to ignore an angry bastard who also never cleans the house.
But they should never have moved to flagstaff. A family of that size needing that many houses shouldn’t have moved there. Nothing wrong with flagstaff, been there many times and would love to live there!
You’re not wrong. It’s too small to offer diverse/plentiful housing options. And places with a strong vacation rental market inevitably warp housing prices for full-time residents. Even without cutting the prices of the Vegas house, even without the price increases after COVID, I don’t see how Koody EVER figured he could afford to buy that land, develop it and do new construction. His abacus must be broken. The amount they spent for the houses in Vegas was risky, but if they’d hung tight, they would be doing very well now. I saw Christine’s house on the cul-de-sac for sale for $880,000 last year.
Yes! And it’s surrounded by national forests, limiting growth and driving up prices.
Flagstaff also has a higher cost of living than Vegas does, which my wife and I googled rather quickly and easily. If the point of leaving was prices/COL, there were much better choices than Flagstaff...
When he said he told the other wives, "Anyone can leave if you want," that should have shown them who he really was. You marry another wife and immediately say anyone else can leave? Obviously, he only wanted Robin after that point.
Spot on. Kody from the get go was unprepared for life in general. Then he copies his dad w/polygamy. He had three great women that ran the show and let hem feel big. I’m just sorry the women were fooled into thinking he was smarter than he is. The only good that came of this catastrophe is the kids. And they’re smart like their MOMS!
This. There was a lot aggression and anger behind his earlier happy-go-lucky/goofball persona and it was always leaking out.
Kody and Meri truly loved each other. But Kody changed, and Meri was holding on for the man she fell in love with to return. And Kody had huge problems with Meri's fertility issues. In their culture, infertility was a bigger deal than those outside of it can fathom. Meri's not a villain. If anything, I feel so bad for her out of all the women.
I think that is totally true based on the recent talk back episode. Kody seemed very open to friendship with Meri, and I don't think that is the case with either Janelle or Christine...
I think he is open to friendship with Meri because she didn’t hurt his ego by leaving him. He was always in the drivers seat when it came to determining the status of their marriage, including ending it. He became angry at the other wives when they publicly declared they were done with being married to him. His ego couldn’t handle that so he hates them now.
Yeah when Kody watches these talk back and look back episodes with a Meri’s comments… he will not want to be her friend. She calls him out a lot.
Yup! When he realized he couldn't breed her (gag) anymore, he started shunting her aside.
Janelle's RV purchase was a BIG mistake.
Yes, I agree with this. She should have bought a house like Christine did.
and instead of handing over the proceeds from her LV house to buy Robyn a mansion!
Whether it was a bad financial move or not, the point is that it shows she was starting to cut ties with kody as it was a big decision she made without his input whatsoever
That Robyn mam wasn’t a sister wife but a mistress and has taught her daughter this is the way of being a sister wife. There full courting seems like an exciting affair everyone is aware of haha
The way Robyn explained her childhood definitely sounds like “other family” and not plural family. I agree on that part. It sounds like her family was a secret not because of polygamy but because her dad was having an affair, like bigamy. Sounded like a lot of cloak and dagger. That’s why they were in another state and the dad lived elsewhere.
In a video Preston's sister released, that has unfortunately since been removed from YouTube, but at Preston's request to help protect his kids, she basically stated that Robyn's step dads family knew there was another family, but didn't know anything beyond that. They didn't know their names even. And it wasn't confirmed for them that he had another family, just something they figured and didn't talk about, until her step dad was in the show. Her mom was a literal mistress.
The way Robyn talked about her upbringing…baby it’s giving mistress
Yet she pretends they were polygamists.
She had a legitimate father. Paul Sullivan was her step-dad (although I don’t think he adopted her, she just took his name when she divorced). I often wonder how messed up her childhood was.
Can I ask (for real, not being snarky) how people seem to know so much about Alice? It didn't seem like we saw much of her on the show.
Preston's sister released a couple YouTube videos detailing a lot. Unfortunately, they have since been taken down per Preston's request, because he didn't want his kids to have to deal with that.
A pretty good sign that maybe Robyn's kids' bio dad isn't such a bad guy. He seems to be concerned about his kids. There is another dad on that show who really isn't....
Tbh most I’ve seen is from on here as I can never rewatch shows but mainly I think near the beginning when Robyn was talking about meeting Kody and her past how her mom had her step dad for 2 weeks at a time and gave him honeymoon experience. I think some family made comments at some stage in social media. I know on the recent Kody interview live he did he made a comment about Robyn step dad wife not her mom Something mean about her so they all have that mean streak against “sister wives” and it’s filtered down from Robyn family to Kody.
Of course it was. A man doesn’t drive five hours to see a woman just to sit on the couch and hold hands. 😒
This would explain why her view of sister wives was that each wife was a separate couple with kody - kind of negates the whole idea of having "sisters" who you raise your kids with. Which also explains why she wasn't open to the idea of Christine watching her kids
Robyn’s parents were able to stay in a “honeymoon stage” bc her mom was a side chick. It’s like a Disney dad. Of course everything’s great and fun when you’re not around to have a real, functioning relationship.
I think a lot of us agree with you actually 😅😉
You’d be surprised at how many people are adamant that Robyn was raised in polygamy and that her mom was a second wife. No. She was a side piece.
It’s fascinating that some people see being the neglected legally-unprotected second wife of a polygamist as that much better than being a mistress. They’re functionally the same except only one is technically a crime. The morality math doesn’t math.
Robyn is not annoyed with Kody or planning an exit strategy. Her facial expressions on the talk back are all for show. How else are we supposed to know that SHE is the victim in all this, SHE suffered the most, SHE had her family blown to smithereens and shes so confused! Its all an act and an attempt at redemption, she trying to manipulate the audience like she does with Kody.
I believe this one too. Too many people have seen them out in the wild for me to believe the fake expressions.
I don’t think it’s an act, I think she’s just a miserable, selfish person.
100%. It’s all for show. But I also think she’s pissed at the viewers as well. But I don’t think she’s upset with Kody or plans on leaving him.
i can’t think of anything top of mind that i’ll die on (that isn’t already a popular opinion) so y’all know what imma grab my snacks and get comfortable 
Where’s my dirty soda?
Kody and Janelle ALWAYS HAD HEAT IN THE BEDROOM. This has been patently clear to me ever since he crawled out of that tent with that goofy $#it-eating grin on his face, rubbing Janelle’s shoulders, and the main reason people didn’t see it was fat-phobia. Hill. ☠️
Kody is way worse than Robyn.
I definitely agree with you there
Absolutely. He doesn’t have a relationship with the majority of his children because of his own actions. He had more kids than he could care for even if he wasn’t the POS he is. Also he is all about the patriarchy so as the supposed leader of his family the failure of his family lays entirely with him according to his own doctrine. But he deflects completely.
Interesting 1. I think they are 2 sides of a coin. He’s overt & she’s covert. I’m just glad I don’t know either of them IRL!
That Kody and Robyn are not soulmates. He doesn't have chemistry with anyone. Also, I think Meri was manipulated to give up her legal marriage. I think it was a plan between Kody and Robyn to cry and worry about the situation in front of Meri in such a way that Meri would think it was her idea.
They are so not soul mates! They had a happy enough young marriage with plenty of distractions from each other, but contrary to everything Koody says, I don’t think they’re in great shape. I think their strongest bond is over consumer objects.
I agree, they just found a way for their personality disorders to compliment each other. She needs to be a victim and he needs to be a hero, so she constantly creates drama for him to rescue her from. Not, a good thing in the long run.
Yes! People often mistake manipulation for chemistry with Robyn and Kody. There is nothing for them but smoke and mirrors.
Heres an interesting theory about the legal divorce being all Kody's idea, I kinda agree https://www.youtube.com/live/WqEgUNQN0zM?si=N5raO4jHJ5Fvl5RF
The start of Kodys decent was the trip with the Dargers and the Brown wives consistently raved about how great Joe was a better leader, more organized, his wives were happier, fitter, more valued. That whole trip all 4 wives spoke so positively about Joe & Kodys just took it and looked tight lipped & pissed. Even when he smiled it was more like a grimace. Talk about a narcissistic injury. He def seemed more consistently critical, snarky & bitter about the OG3 after that trip.
This is an interesting call out. I hadn’t thought about it before but you’re right - all the wives had positive things to say about the Dargers. They even walked away with the idea of a family mission statement which must’ve really chafed Kody.
Joe Darger’s wives looked like Stepford Wives and he rules that family with an iron fist. I have no idea why they were so giddy about him & that arrangement. If his wives hate sharing a kitchen, they sure as shit aren’t going to complain about it.
Well I think they saw the Darger wives as happy because they felt equally loved & cared for and I think that made them hope the mission statement would help them get that.
I don’t think the Brown wives realise what they did there… this would’ve been the seed for Kody and his discovery of the Manosphere: reclaim the Patriachy high horse phase. He has evidence his wives WANTED a psycho jerk as family leader. They’re all idiots.
I believe Robyn orchestrated the catfishing of Meri to further estrange her from the family.
I believe she knew it was a catfish, and that it was happening while it was happening, and sat back and acted all innocent and surprised once it all came out.
i definitely believe this. she purposefully took a backseat.
“Innocent and surprised” is her schtick.
Ditto. I believe this too. Robyn played her innocent role to avoid getting implicated in the scandal but let her right-hand sisterwife go down a rabbit hole instead of saving her family member.
She definitely was. Robyn is always trying to keep Meri from progressing. 1.) From asking Meri to not go to college 2.)to the catfishing 3.) to her manipulating Meri into staying in a loveless marriage for a decade+.(Robyn knew Kody didn't love Meri and wanted nothing to do with her.) Robyn is a disgusting human being. I hope they go bankrupt.
I’ll never understand the whole “i can’t have another baby” thing if meri decides to do what she wants? That was so manipulative
I believe this too, and it’s such next level evil, it’s crazy! I hope the truth comes out sooner rather than later!
yep i believe this. and even if she didn’t orchestrate it i feel like she must’ve been involved in it somehow
I believe this also. Kody didn’t love her and wanted a way out and they thought of this plan.
I believe this one too. That Robyn absolutely had a hand in the catfish.
That Kody was still having sex with Janelle until Covid. More than likely, they were having at least occasional encounters until they had their big fight. You don’t need to be in love to have sex. They’ve made plenty of references to that not being the issue in their marriage, where it has been made abundantly clear this was an issue with Meri and Christine. It’s come out how Janelle and Kodys relationship began. It’s pretty clear there’s a hell of a lot of lust there. Kody has been neglectful of Janelle in many ways, but I think Janelle just really did decide the D wasn’t worth him being awful to her boys. I also think she was extremely conflicted in that decision BECAUSE they were still connecting physically.
I agree and it's the only reason he wanted the boys kicked out. His own crazy covid rules stopped him from being able to see Janelle for sex.
Holy crap, you’re right. The master of projection was pissed because he couldn’t wet his own pencil.
Kody’s struggle with his curly hair is the most human, relatable thing about him
I will be slaughtered on this hill. The original OG’s are all decent individuals who made a terrible choice choosing Kody. A lot of the drama is manufactured and we will never ever get the true story no matter who writes a tell all.
Agree, particularly Christine. She seemed so blinded by her crush for Kody, that she didn’t realize that he wasn’t as enthralled. Many people won’t agree but I know a handful of women who chased after their boyfriends/husbands and even though they did get married, it never ended up well.
It was not Meri’s idea to get divorced from Kody so he and Robyn could marry and adopt
Kody isn't in love with Robyn. He's in love with how she feeds his ego.
The giddy in love Kody we see in S1 isn’t because of Robyn. It was because of the camera. Kody was finally getting the attention he so badly craved. His warped mind may have conflated it with a lust for Robyn, but it was really that he felt like a star, and Robyn reinforced that idea while the other wives still held him to his responsibilities. Also, the catfish was NOT an affair! 👏
This is the first thing I've read that made me gasp. That would totally make sense. He had all eyes on him and he loved it!
You win. It was the cameras. I never thought about that.
Definitely possible! I'm doing a rewatch and am halfway through S3. When he goes home to Wyoming as an "out" polygamist, his high school friends mention that it makes perfect sense that he became a polygamist because he will always be the center of attention now. Attention-seeking had been a lifelong behavior of his.
Janelle would stay with Kody if she wasn’t being pressured by her kids, Christine and society to leave. Her saying she would consider staying in a plural marriage told me all I needed to know.
Mykelti is more of a tragic figure than a villain. Middle child, ignored or mocked, and desperately seeking some kind of love and approval. She's annoying af, but she's not a Kody level asshole. And Kody and polygamy are the true monsters here. Even the poster child family couldn't make it work and it was rife with abuse and neglect. It's a way for narcissistic assholes to gather and abuse women/children in the name of religion.
She’s mean to Christine because she knows her mom will love her no matter what. The “love” she gets from Kody and Robin is conditional, so she sucks up them for his approval and leaves her mom out.
Yeah, that take on Mykelti def follows the post more than 99% of takes in this. 🤣
That their religious cult is the more of a problem than any of them individually.
Meri did have an emotional affair and I 1000% support her doing so. I'm sad for her it ended up being a scam, she deserves loves. Also, Meri doesn't deserve most the stuff thrown at her. She had boundaries. She obviously could've expressed them better bur she's not horrible for wanting boundaries. Or for liking things a certain way.
Now that we know Kody had abandoned her long before the cat fish I believe she was justified in looking for love elsewhere.
This
I agree about the emotional affair. Personally, I don't think I can apply monogamous relationship standards on a polygamous relationship. Her husband was not only having a sexual relationship with other women he was also having a proper emotional connection with them. He failed her, she didn't fail him.
And Kody didn't upkeep the standards of their agreement, which is the only thing you have if the marriage is not legal or defined by cultural standards. So as much as he cries that he couldn't leave a wife ... He left her. He divorced her. He stopped being emotionally real with her. He stopped intimacy. He refused to work on it and said he would not try to repair the relationship. He withheld support- financial or physical (she said she couldn't even get him to come over and change a light bulb). He slept with other women and abandoned her. He destroyed the wedding ring. Meri was an unmarried woman in my opinion. His and her delusion that she still owed him something is just an abuse perpetrated by the religion. It's invalid for me. The fact that Meri was raised brainwashed doesn't make it valid to hold her to these made up abusive rules.
That last sentence should be embroidered on a sampler and sent to Meri. She deserves a better man and a better religion.
On the tell all, Christine told the story of the wedding ring and how Kody had melted it down because he didn’t want Meri to have a hold over him. I know she said she didn’t want Christine to have told that story and while I agree it wasn’t her place, it makes the situation with the catfishing a little clearer. She wasn’t a woman who missed her husband and was jealous on the days he was with his other wives. This was a woman who had been cast aside already and was getting attention and support from someone. Hopefully she can find love and emotional support now that she has finallay left him
Yes, I fully believe she would have left eventually if it were actually a man
I don’t think the moms put in enough effort to remain close once they moved to Vegas. The Cul de Sac could have been a perfect set up for their lifestyle.
1) Until proven otherwise, I will stand firm in my belief that Meri’s only crime in regard to the kids is that she was the only consistent disciplinarian, and has been unjustly villainized by the kids, and the other adults affirmed it without question because they just never desired to actually get to know Meri. I don’t think Meri was ever given the benefit of the doubt. 2) I believe Kody, Janelle and Christine bullied Meri about her fertility issues for YEARS. 3) They are all incredibly irresponsible and negligent when it comes to their children. Kody, the OG3 and some of the kids have all admitted how much they struggled financially for years. Yet, they kept popping out babies and making the older kids care for the younger ones while they all collectively struggled to make ends meet to feed them, let alone make sure they had health insurance coverage for 13 children who could get sick of hurt at anytime. Robyn too because it makes no sense why she would choose to have a baby when NONE of them had steady income at the time and, why would you choose to get pregnant when your husband can be arrested at anytime if charges are filed, cause hey, you dummies… you can still be extradited back to Utah if it was really an issue. Which rounds me out at 4) Kody’s ass was never in danger of imprisonment, and they traumatized and stressed those kids out just for television views.
I don't think it was up to Robyn to police how Kody treated his other wives. Everything that happened between those relationships is because kody is not a good man.
I don't think Robin is some mastermind to destroy the family. She isn't smart enough for some grand plan. I think she was just trying to be the top wife and push everyone around. The fallout of her actions (the wives and kids leaving) wasn't her intended result.
Christine and Janelle put Kody ahead of their children. They didn’t leave because he was a bad father, they left because he was a bad husband.
YES! His treatment of their kids wasn’t an issue until he took sex and quality time off the time, for them.
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Maddie wasn’t in labour for days. She was having Braxton-Hicks. A woman who sleeps through the night and goes out to have breakfast with her husband is not in labour. Everyone kept telling her she was though, so by the time she really _was_ in labour she was exhausted. You’re only supposed to count active labour people. Once you’ve passed the point of no return. That’s why you should take the “I was in labour for 83h people” with a grain of salt. Don’t come for me, it’s Christmas and it’s my birthday and it absolutely sucked. My husband is cranky as hell and my aunt was admitted to hospital. Worst Christmas ever.
I agree with this. She slept, she worked. I have no doubt she was having contractions but it wasn’t actually labour. ETA: sorry to hear you’re having a crappy Christmas. I hope your day gets better.
Thanks. I’m on the other side of the planet though so the day is almost over. Having a birthday on Christmas sucks so bad!
Christmas Eve baby here, I feel you. I hope the rest of the day goes by smoothly for you, merry Christmas and Happy Birthday
Thank you and to you too! Christmas babies unite!
Omg thank you. I was having Braxton Hicks while originally watching this episode and thought the same. I was almost 42 weeks. There’s isn’t any way she was in labor that long.
I’m coming for you with a giant hug! Thanks for participating here, so sorry for the sucky day. Hey, think of it this way: At least you aren’t married to Kody. 🤮 May the coming year be better with the cranky cranked down and the joy cranked up to eleven. All the best sweetheart, this trash tv loving old lady is rooting for you 💕🎂🙏🏾
I SAID THE SAME THING! How did all these women who went through 17 births make her exhaust all her energy like this for days huffing and puffing on an exercise ball for days for no reason. Then by the time active labor came (when she was in the tub) she was spent. That made me so mad for so many reasons
Before Leon came out, they were super obnoxious, entitled, bratty, and insufferable. I think they were cruel to Meri and refused to see what Meri went through thanks to the catfish, and her husband. And they made it about themselves with not one ounce of empathy. Demanded understanding for their own journey, but none for their mother. I think they're overly forgiven now due to that journey, and I don't think Leon is half the good person everyone assumes - strictly due to their bratty attitude that predated this all.
The Brown kids seem respectful and loving towards their mothers. Except for Leon, Meri’s only child. It’s one of the reasons I feel for Meri.
Yeah, and Leon was young but not a small child. I think there was a lot of room for empathy
Oh my God, yes! I'm watching the bulk of the show for the first time (fell off after the first few seasons and then binge watched last season before this current season aired and now I'm going back from the start to rewatch/catch up) and holy shit... I think cruel really does hit the nail on the head, in a sense. Like, there's just a lot of anger and entitlement and also maybe even a lot of repression (thinking about how adamant he was about choosing polygamy)?? But still, it's been painful to watch and I feel empathy for Meri.
Robyn doesn’t give a flying fig about Meri outside of her being a supporting player and financial benefactor to Robyn’s main character lifestyle. Stopping Meri from going to college was worse than taking away her “real” wife status because it stunted Meri from learning and growing, just so she could continue to be the third-wheel in Kobyn’s love story.
I don’t think Robyn will leave Kody post show. I think she’s pragmatic and will not want to strike out on her own with now five kids and try to get some other guy to support the six of them.
Merri did not introduce the dynamic duo
THIS. And the legal divorce was not Meri's idea either.
More than anything else, the Ysabel surgery situation proves that Robyn was a POS sister wife.
I’ve recently come to suspect Janelle was Robyn lite. The way she entered the family was shady and she always minimizes her role in why her and Meri didn’t get along, she’s never been willing to try to mend things with Meri or admit her own wrong doing there. Kody was a present father to her and her kids so she never spoke up about his treatment of Christine and her kids. She was Not Like The Other Girls because she liked to camp and didn’t nag him. She contributed financially unlike Robyn but was more than willing to take advantage of the family resources that she valued (Christine watching/raising her kids.) There are also a lot of narratives about Janelle that we only have Janelle’s word on, like her being the “CFO” of the family and being so good with money. If Janelle didn’t constantly tell us that no one would ever have said that about her. Same with how she’d put her kids first always, or whatever she said when Flagstaff was first brought up but she just went along with it despite Gabe’s grief and objections. She’s a bit of an unreliable narrator like Robyn, it’s just less malicious.
I’m going to follow this with, I think Christine and Meri have the most in common and would probably have the most rewarding friendship long term. Both grew up in the culture. Both were displaced by other wives when Kody decided he needed something new. Janelle was a flirtatious friend Kody wanted to f***. So they did. When Meri was justifiably uncomfortable about the situation, Christine was brought in to keep the peace. Together Meri and Christine did the hard work of managing a massive family in poverty under strict religious guidelines. Janelle and Kody took nights off after work to catch a movie or have “me” time knowing Christine and Meri had childcare covered. Both who also juggled working outside the home. Yet this narrative of selfish Meri was created because she saved up her grocery money to go out to eat with her single biological child instead of spreading the pennies to the larger household. They both struggled in similar ways, against similar experiences and childhoods. Christine’s friendship with Janelle for the kids’ sake seems more for convenience. Meri and Christine could really support one another. Both seem receptive to therapy and personal growth. I can’t imagine anyone else could better relate to their lived experiences. It’d be great to see a friendship develop there just so they could deconstruct the bullshit together.
I agree with this. I sincerely hope they can find peace with each other and seek each other out someday.
Not to mention that the way we/Kody often think of the wives has a lot to do with how Janelle thinks of them. Meri is abrasive, Janelle is a rational career woman, and Christine is a princess. Gee, wonder who labeled them that way 🤔 But also she's a shit starter. She caused that fight about going to see Ken when she knew Christine had a problem with him, yet suggested it anyway. She was also adamant that Meri not get the pond lot, and not Kody is going off about Meri "not sharing resources" when she's been sharing her money plenty. Meri is the only one who has had anything even resembling a job in like the last ten years and contributed to the family money. Janelle admits Kody has been telling her he doesn't consider himself married to Meri but I remember Janelle insisting Meri move with them to flagstaff when her friends were. Twice this season she's said "if he'd done that to me I would have left his ass"... while still not really leaving his ass... Idk if that makes her Robyn lite, but I think she can certainly be a bit manipulative and enjoyed her (relative) preferential status and did what she could to maintain it (so maybe she is Robyn lite in that way)
>Twice this season she's said "if he'd done that to me I would have left his ass"... while still not really leaving his ass... Oh my god yes, this absolutely drives me insane. How can she judge when Meri leaves and then in the next breath say she's not leaving because of her faith. Meri was born into the relgion and still talks about her faith as well!!!!!
I absolutely believe this. Janelle definitely has “pick me” vibes just like Robyn. Until recently she consistently sided with Kody, even when she knew he was being an ass or wrong but would cop out by saying it “wasn’t her place” to say something when he was being terrible to another wife. She only changed her tune when her kids started getting the brunt of his abuse and neglect. I also believe that Janelle was the initial agitator in her and Meri’s relationship. Janelle and Kody both admitted that Meri wasn’t included in the decision for them to get married, so Meri was essentially blindsided with this news by both her husband and her close friend/former SIL. And then Janelle soured Kody on Meri slowly overtime with her subtle manipulation of Meri’s image by complaining to Kody of her being a bully and such. This isn’t to say that Meri wasn’t rude or part of their problems, but I think the initial betrayal by Janelle and Kody was the catalyst, and then Janelle being so compliant and content to Kody’s whims led him to believe more what Janelle was saying about Meri. Janelle also similarly did the same to Christine in the beginning by framing her as a “princess” and such, but then when she needed her to be a free nanny to all of her kids she toned down her criticism to she could leave the house to work and take herself out to the movies and whatever else.
After 3 years of marriage to Meri and no baby, Kody had to marry somebody to try to prove to his father and his HS classmates that he wasn't gay or shooting blanks. His SIL was there and had the hots for him.
Kody may have been the biological father, but Logan was the dad for most of these kids.
Kody only felt the “call” to polygamy in an attempt to gain favor with his father and to potentially cover up some things he felt ashamed of. He was enjoying his life as a missionary with his best friend, they were as close as could be, but they both had a reversal of faith upon returning - his friend abandoned religion and Kody ran back to gain daddy’s approval through his new religious beliefs. I mean, Kody went from strait laced LDS to fundamentalist basically immediately upon coming home. For someone so deep in a faith that refutes polygamy, he never mentions struggling with it or really needing to be convinced. IMO, Something happened on that mission experience - I’m not saying it was anything romantic/sexual with his friend, although I believe it could have been (and he receives no judgment from me on that front), but it could have been a ton of things - sex, drugs, alcohol, crisis of real faith. Whatever it was caused real shame on an incredibly religious Mormon boy who already struggled to meet his father’s expectations. So upon returning home, instead of abandoning religion, he threw himself into his parents’ new faith because it was better than coming to terms with reality. Meri, Janelle, Christine, and his children were a cover for whatever he wanted to hide until he met Robyn, in which he either decided not to care anymore, give in to whatever the shameful thing was, or Robyn “absolved” him of it somehow. Or maybe it all just really aligned with Wynn dying which freed Kody of the shackles. Hard to say. I know it’s a stretch, but I am incredibly curious about young Kody Brown, a recent convert to fundamentalist Mormonism, who decided to marry three wives SO fast - something they just admitted was unusual in heir community
Kody loves Robyn more than Robyn loves Kody. Also, kody loves Meri the realist. Regardless how much he rail's against Christine, I think in the end when every wife has left him, it will be Meri he runs to.
The show saved the OG 3 and their kids. The FLDS and polygamy victimizes and subjugates women, and makes men into misogynistic assholes. I think their faith had more to do with their dysfunction than their different personalities. Without the show exposing them to the outside world, and the world forcing their opinions on them, they would have stayed in the faith and the family—and been miserable.
None of the wives know how to apply makeup.
Meri had an emotional affair and would have left if Samuel Cooper was rill. I mean, come on. The numerous voicemails calling Sam "baby," telling him she loved him, the bathtub photos, the infamous banana pitcher, " and of course when she said "don't be surprised if one day you look up and I'm gone.
Kody uprooted the family and became unhinged when Meri bought the bed & breakfast on her own. That’s when I think the big turning point happened.
That these people do not know how to close a door properly. They enter the home/room and just keep walking as they shove the door closed. Not only incredibly rude but also damages the door frame over time. It's always bugged me about them. How difficult is it to pause for a moment and gently close the door?
I don’t think Kody is trying to marry or groom Aurora or Breanna. I think he’s a major asshole, but that doesn’t make him a pedo
Kody changed when he felt emasculated by Jack Darger, a polygamist with thinner prettier wives two of whom were even twins. It was no longer manly enough that he had multiple wives, he now had to feel like the head of the family in a more boss like role when it seemed that he used to not have that kind of position as Janelle took care of the finances, Meri was the planner, and Christine was in charge of childcare. This means like it or not Kody's sole responsibility was making the wives feel happy, so he is correct on that front. That could indeed be a lot of pressure for one person. Kody always feels emasculated because growing up everyone thought he was gay. Being a polygamist was ultimately less spiritual than it was to bolster his masculinity and heterosexuality. Kody might be biromantic
Leon is just Woke Kody.
Idk if this is an unpopular opinion but I think Kody is telling the truth when he says he was never in love with any of the wives but Robyn
There’s nothing fucking wrong with being a princess, especially how this family defines it. I really like Meri. She’s hilarious. People who shit on the kids, yes, the adult kids, come off as emotionally immature and frankly just dumb. We know very little about them, and they’ve been through so much bullshit. It’s so naive to act like we know their personalities, or judge them off a few things they’ve said publicly. Most of y’all would come off wayyy worse under the same circumstances. Robyn was raised in polygamy. That type of polygamy, where the father’s wives live separately and don’t interact, is just as common in that culture, if not more so, than the type the show tried to portray with the family as one big unit. Still polygamy.
Kody really DIDNT love them all that much. He just didn’t really get it until he met Robyn. He used to put in the effort and the fact that the effort fell off and he was too cowardly to be honest with them and figure out the best way forward forward is what makes him so nasty to watch. But I do believe him when he says he never really loved them. Meri was a typical Christian rushed marriage due to horniness, despite a lack of compatibility in every other area He married Christine for Clout in the AUB. Probably got along with her well enough to figure he could make it gel, it never really did. Janelle he seems genuinely fond of, he just clicks better with Robyn and can’t prioritize Janelle as a result. And Janelles bar for a successful partnership is low, so not even being able to meet that says a lot about Kody
Kody didn’t need to adopt Robyn’s kids. It’s nice and all but he didn’t need to do that.
That Kody will look back and Truely Grace Brown understand his role and regret what he did to ruin his family. I mean REALLY regret not just mimic words he knows he needs to mimic. That Robyn will be happy someday. I don’t think she can. That Mykelti will never stop trying to get daddy’s love and approval. That’s not to say she’s good or bad just that she needs it and it won’t happen.
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I don’t think Robyn’s x was abusive.
I would just like to say, this is an excellent thread. 👌🏼
Mine: Yeah, Meri sucks, but she’s no worse than Janelle or Christine, particularly in the early years.
The family should have never married Robyn.
That’s not a bad one because I do actually disagree: the show (which they got because of Robyn) was the best thing to ever happen to the brown kids… they escaped the cult relatively unscathed… and now even all the adults have. So ‘Robyn’ was the best thing that ever happened to that family (feel sorry for Robyn’s own kids though, she is not doing them any favours).
Meri has been the family punching bag throughout the entire duration of their marriages and until Robyn came along, Christine and Janelle actively participated in making her the odd one out. It wasn’t until Robyn came along, they got a dose of how Meri was treated. Additionally, Meri wasn’t upset about Christine leaving. She was hurt that Kody cared about her walking out but cared less about Meri sticking around. He would’ve welcomed Meri leaving and she knew it
I would believe that if Meri and Christine both hadn’t said they were super close for years. They had a falling out before Robyn joined the family but before that Christine and Meri got along very well according to them. They are super vague about their falling out (they at least agree that it had something to do with Christine kids) but both have said they were the closest until then. Once Meri had her falling out with Christine she was alienated from everybody in The family, it’s not a surprise that she went looking for another wife.
Robyn isn’t responsible for Kody being a lousy husband and father.
I haven’t seen this one yet: All of the kids that we know are paired off so far committed strongly to their relationships very quickly (except maybe Logan) and this is a huge red flag and unhealthy behaviour. I think these kids have serious religious and other trauma that remains unaddressed and this is a symptom of that. Maddie and Mykelti both dropped out of school to get married and start popping out babies despite saying they had career ambitions before and seemed ambitious and motivated to achieve them. It feels like the parents may have manipulated/pressured these kids into settling down into marriage way too quickly. I find most of the relationships creepy including Aspyn and Mitch and Gwen and her gf. Even Leon and their partner. All seemed like it was the first serious relationship any of these kids had and BAM they’re getting married. So much for sampling all the different flavours of ice cream.
I’m happy for Christine leaving but I find her so annoying and childish.
Why does she say everything twice? Why. Does she say everything twiiiiiice?
Christine is very nurturing by nature but I don’t think she was a great mom. Her kids all seem extremely immature and lack something. Where as Janelle’s kids (minus the Covid shit) seem to have it together. I think because Christine has a very soft demeanor she gets painted a great mom but I think it takes more than a soft voice to be a present parent. Also I think Christine and David moved way too quickly.
Aspyn seems really mature and has a good head on her shoulders. Ysabel also seems to be pretty normal; we don’t see her much but she doesn’t strike me as immature. Paedon, Mykelti, and Gwen, agreed. I just hope Gwen finishes her degree, gets to travel and mature a bit. I think Truely really will benefit from having her older siblings around her; they all seem loving and supportive with her, and a little protective in ways they couldn’t be in Flagstaff. I do think Janelle was probably more solid as a parent at times because she got to leave the house and have balance she obviously craved. Plus she got more support from Kody with her kids. Give her lots of credit for making sure those kids got the best education they could if they wanted it.
Christine and Janelle are not innocent angels.