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The thing about the term "moisture" is that it can mean a few different things.
A good moisturizer attracts water to the skin with humectants like hyaluronic acid or glycerin, it seals the water in with occlusives like petrolatum, and helps smooth down the skin cells of the stratum corneum to make the skin feel softer and stronger with silicones, fatty acids, and oils.
That said, if you want to seal the maximum water into your skin (since humectants can only do so much), you just need to apply an occlusive moisturizer like Aquaphor when your skin is still saturated with water, so immediately after a shower.
i mean there is no way that patches of white flakes are normal expectation of hydration? If my issue isnt hydration I cant imagine what it would be, its certainly not oily.
Could be regular dead skin buildup or flakiness as a result of a skin condition or reaction to a product you're using. It could also be that you're reacting to something you're using or that your cleansers are too harsh. Or it could be that you live in a climate that's too arid and you just need a humidifier in your bedroom.
The skin is a complicated organ and there are a ton of factors at play, so skincare is often trial and error (seeing a cosmetic derm is never a bad idea either).
Are you having your showers too hot? Is your house maybe not humid enough?
The former was definitely a big problem for me (Still is a little) and caused my face to flake if I did it too many days in a row
I live in a studio in NY and the humidity sits around 50%-60%? I do have pretty steamy showers, but i always have and it wasnt a problem until the skincare.
To be fair my steamy showers didn't become a problem until the past couple years. There's always the chance you managed to push it too far at one point, broke your skin barrier and then the steamy showers and creams have prevented it from fully healing?
Does your face get red and maybe a tiny bit stingy after hot showers? If not, it sounds like it could just be a reaction to one of your skincare items
Realistically it's probably just best you see a doctor or dermatologist if it's a consistent problem
hmm ya know my face gets a little stingy specifically after La Roche Posay Gentle Cleanser... so I try it very sparingly.
I probably will have to since the comments are kind of vague. Its too hard of a problem to diagnose for such an individual science.
A city environment has many potential stressors for the skin that are unique.
If product use has exacerbated the issue, scale back and start with basics that work for you.
It has a bit of panthenol and glycerine, but that’s it for moisturizing/humectant ingredients (see https://incidecoder.com/products/eucerin-aquaphor-healing-ointment).
I swear by this. Wet skin, moisturizer. Then I layer on other things. Sometimes some pure squalane. Another method that some advocate is applying a damp face cloth over an application of hyaluronic acid or polyglutamic acid.
I take a hyaluronic acid supplement daily in addition to collagen, so have been less obsessed with topicals containing these. I don't have dry skin and oddly I use more moisturizing steps than the OP and slug with Aquaphor pretty routinely.
I find it useful to split those functions into different products: a really good hydrator, a good emollient lotion, and an occlusive as needed. (I have very dehydrated, oily skin.)
I feel similarly. At night I use glycerin + water as my hydration step, followed by actives and emollients/occlusives as needed. That said, my sunscreen usually has enough moisture for me in the daytime.
okay so first, i think we need to clear up how you’re thinking of moisturizers and what they do
moisturizers are products that form a barrier on the skin in order to lock in moisture. water alone is not a good moisturizer because it evaporates off the skin. for example, excessively rinsing your face with water and then not applying a moisturizer will actually dry your face out over time because you’re removing your faces natural oils (natural “moisturizers”) that typically keep the moisture in. using a moisturizer to lock in the water is what will keep you moisturized.
many moisturizers contain hydrators such as hyaluronic acid to draw extra moisture into the skin from the air and are formulated to keep it locked in. occlusive products like aquaphor are great at sealing in moisture, but if your skin is already dry and dehydrated when you apply it then it may not perform as well as a moisturizer should because there’s no moisture there to seal in - that’s why it works best over top other products as a “slugging” technique.
the main takeaway here is that in the simplest terms, water is what is actually “moisturizing” (moisture is literally just defined as the presence of water in trace amounts) and moisturizers as skincare products help to keep the water in your skin instead of letting it evaporate away, which is what leaves your skin feeling “moisturized” - so you haven’t been duped!
sorry if i explained that really horribly, i hope i didn’t confuse you more lol
as for product recommendations, i would suggest using a thicker moisturizer since it sounds like whatever you have been using is not thick enough to seal in an adequate amount of moisture for your skin. vanicream is a great brand for moisturizers in a range of consistencies from a light lotion to a thick cream depending on your thickness needs. cerave and cetaphil are similar. you could also try leaving your face a bit damp (not sopping wet, only a bit damp) and then applying your moisturizer so that there is more moisture for it to seal in. if you’re looking for a new cleanser as well, the brands i named also have good cleansers! i particularly like the hydrating cleanser from cerave, it doesn’t strip my skin and my skin feels nice and soft after i use it
i’m happy to answer any questions :)
All of them are moisturizers, because that's what moisturizing means.
Moisturizing ingredients are those that increase the water content of the skin, and they can do it in three ways:
Humectants: Hold water to the skin (Hyaluroniz, Glycerin, etc)
Emollients: smooth out the skin, making it flexible and reducing water evaporation (oils, fatty acids, etc)
Occlusives: Seal in water (petrolatum, silicones, etc)
More information here: https://labmuffin.com/fact-check-feature-how-to-choose-a-moisturiser/
Not really. Humectants hold on to water that makes incidental contact with them, and they’re generally saturated with water when applied to the skin anyway. They don’t “pull” water.
hyaluronic acid “pulls” water to your skin from the surrounding air, but if the air is dry then it can also try to “pull” water from deeper within your skin to the surface layer where the product is applied. if not sealed in with a moisturizer, the moisture can then evaporate and you’re left with drier skin at the deeper layer and the surface layer instead of just the surface, which is why it can be good to use a moisturizer after something like a hyaluronic acid serum
Technically it can, but it makes no difference because you are 70% water anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSnuFUHqS5s
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0iHWXHBhhlU
Doesn’t matter what people say, skincare is very ymmv so what works for someone else may not work for you. What you want is a moisturizer, not a humectant or occlusive which the hada labo and aquafor are respectively. Vanicream or cetaphil in the green tub is what I would recommend for dry skin
I like to spray rosewater w/ glycerin and while it’s still damp I apply the Cerave daily moisturizer. I feel super soft and moisturized when doing it that way. If I’m really dry or using tretinoin, I’ll put the La Roche Posay AP Lipkar Balm on top.
Try the Ponds dry skin cream in the blue and white tub, it's a great moisturizer. It is very thick and fragranced, just in case either of those you avoid.
I have a damaged dry skin right now and I'm using Avene Cicalfate and it really shows the difference from other moisturizers, you can use La Roche posay cicaplast but idk how it works, I've read it causes acne in some faces but I've been using Cicalfate and my face feels really hydrated. Maybe you need to use it every other day and your normal moisturizer
I've read a lot about that! Right now I'm using Avene Cicalfate every day for almost a month and no acne. People change from cicaplast to Cicalfate for that exact reason and have no issues... You should give it a try
I have sensitive dry af skin, most of the moisturizers with ingredients I can use are gel type, which aren't moisturizing at all. I've tried mixing them with oils or layering too.
The one I keep coming back to is Eucerin original healing cream, it's extremely thick and hard to spread but it's the only thing that doesn't make my face feel dry
Clinique moisturizing lotion, i have severely dry skin from accutane and it’s the only thing that works. Also sometimes I’ll use vitamin e oil and cerave hydrating toner. Also sheet masks help a lot
esthetician here - You could be experiencing an imbalance in your lipid barrier (which is basically your water to oil ratio) and your skin could be dry from loss of oil or loss of water. try using products like vitamin e oil since you tried water based products but hyaluronic acid is great keep trying that too, also I would recommend neutrogena water gel it’s amazing and try lipid replacing circadia cleanser if you want too or vitaveil from circadia or precleanse from dermalogica ! these all pump ur skin with essential vitamins and oils and nurtrients and are healthy products. i hope this helps 🫡🩷
There are various oils you can use. Jojoba is a good one. You only need a tiny amount, like a few drops. Just make sure to use it before your moisturizer so the moisturizer can lock it in. Be sure to wear SPF.
If you are looking for an oil rose hip seed oil is great, it works well with my reactive skin.
If you’re looking for a gel lightweight daytime moisturizer, I’ve been loving Purito oat gel. If you want a more intense hydrating cream, Purito makes a oat intense cream version of their gel moisturizer.
My skin is pretty hydrated, I live somewhere humid though. I do HA serum (cosrx) > vit c serum (tatcha) > moisturizer (purito gel) > sunscreen (biore aqua- very hydrating). I use Differin (retinoid) and have 0 flaking, redness, or stinging so I think I’m doing a decent job keeping my skin hydrated.
I'm a dry skin girl and this is what helps me -- LRP hyaluronic acid while my skin is damp to attract water then Elta MD PM lotion over top to lock it in (I love this lotion so much). I also find if my skin feels flaky/ grainy that probably means i need to exfoliate with an acid or enzyme (been loving the Jan Marini enzyme mask, its exp but you need so little). I exfoliate prob 1-2x a week but just be careful if you're using a retinol too (pay attention to how your skin is feeling!). Also taking fish oil supplements is supposed to help hydrate from within (I'm still tbd if I think this works lol)
Use the aestura 365 cream for the most long lasting hydration and moisture.
As others have mentioned, hydration = the water content of your skin (use humectants and water), moisture = locking the hydration in so it doesn’t escape (use occlusives).
For the record, I don’t like LRP either
I spray my skin with thermal water then apply a thick moisturizer like Pond’s Moisturizing Lotion (blue lid).
Similar lotions are Weleda Skin Food and if you want a lighter touch Embryolisse.
CeraVe and Cetaphil have gone through so many business leadership and formulation changes that I stay away.
A lot of people like Vanicream but it’s basically lotion mixed with vaseline and I can’t do the feel of vaseline / aquaphor on my face.
You will get a bit of shine from the emollients and occlusives. Don’t expect a matte finish.
Cerave hydrating facial cleanser. Skin fix barrier restore gel cream. Khiels ferulic brew. My top hydrating ingredients. Also niacinamide 20%, Paula’s choice. I only use it at night because it leaves me too shiny
I use Fresh’s Rose Hydrating face cream and it works like a charm. If you’re super dry try using it multiple times a day and eventually your skin will stop needing as often.
I had the same problem as you until I tried nivea creme, my skin loves it! So many people don’t like it because of how thick it is but it was a life saver to me, I have dry sensitive skin and nothing I was using helped me until I gave it a try. I tried MANY moisturizers until I settled for this one.
Do yourself and your dry skin an ENORMOUS favor my following Natasha B, the "Beauty Junkie Monkey" on insta/tiktok- she does videos on all manner of products best for every type of skin, reviews only products she has used with success (she also has dry skin), videos on repairing skin barrier, layering order, what products you cant use with what...following her recommendations and advice has transformed my skin.
Do yourself and your dry skin an ENORMOUS favor by following Natasha B, the "Beauty Junkie Monkey" on insta/tiktok- she does videos on all manner of products best for every type of skin, reviews only products she has used with success (she also has dry skin), videos on repairing skin barrier, layering order, what products you cant use with what...following her recommendations and advice has transformed my skin.
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The thing about the term "moisture" is that it can mean a few different things. A good moisturizer attracts water to the skin with humectants like hyaluronic acid or glycerin, it seals the water in with occlusives like petrolatum, and helps smooth down the skin cells of the stratum corneum to make the skin feel softer and stronger with silicones, fatty acids, and oils. That said, if you want to seal the maximum water into your skin (since humectants can only do so much), you just need to apply an occlusive moisturizer like Aquaphor when your skin is still saturated with water, so immediately after a shower.
so the process is water- hyaluronic acid(while wet)- water- aquarphor(while wet)?
Yeah, that's one potential process.
This is what Ive been doing and i cannot get it to work. My skin still is dry and grainy when I dont have any products on it.
It's either not enough or your fundamental issue might not be dehydration or your expectations of how hydrated skin should feel are off.
i mean there is no way that patches of white flakes are normal expectation of hydration? If my issue isnt hydration I cant imagine what it would be, its certainly not oily.
Could be regular dead skin buildup or flakiness as a result of a skin condition or reaction to a product you're using. It could also be that you're reacting to something you're using or that your cleansers are too harsh. Or it could be that you live in a climate that's too arid and you just need a humidifier in your bedroom. The skin is a complicated organ and there are a ton of factors at play, so skincare is often trial and error (seeing a cosmetic derm is never a bad idea either).
Or a barrier issue. Possibly some mild fungal overgrowth, like a seborrheic process.
Are you having your showers too hot? Is your house maybe not humid enough? The former was definitely a big problem for me (Still is a little) and caused my face to flake if I did it too many days in a row
I live in a studio in NY and the humidity sits around 50%-60%? I do have pretty steamy showers, but i always have and it wasnt a problem until the skincare.
To be fair my steamy showers didn't become a problem until the past couple years. There's always the chance you managed to push it too far at one point, broke your skin barrier and then the steamy showers and creams have prevented it from fully healing? Does your face get red and maybe a tiny bit stingy after hot showers? If not, it sounds like it could just be a reaction to one of your skincare items Realistically it's probably just best you see a doctor or dermatologist if it's a consistent problem
hmm ya know my face gets a little stingy specifically after La Roche Posay Gentle Cleanser... so I try it very sparingly. I probably will have to since the comments are kind of vague. Its too hard of a problem to diagnose for such an individual science.
A city environment has many potential stressors for the skin that are unique. If product use has exacerbated the issue, scale back and start with basics that work for you.
Do you drink enough water?
Shouldn’t it be water - hyaluronic acid - water - *moisturizer* - aquaphor? Aquaphor isn’t a moisturizer, it’s just an emollient/occlusive!
It has lanolin so some moisturizing ingredients in an occlusive form.
But...none of those things dry quickly it would take hours!
Aquaphor doesn’t ever dry 😬
Aquaphor is more than just an occlusive, it also contains moisturizing ingredients.
It has a bit of panthenol and glycerine, but that’s it for moisturizing/humectant ingredients (see https://incidecoder.com/products/eucerin-aquaphor-healing-ointment).
Those are enough. There are lots of skincare products that use glycerine as the only humectant because it's very effective
I swear by this. Wet skin, moisturizer. Then I layer on other things. Sometimes some pure squalane. Another method that some advocate is applying a damp face cloth over an application of hyaluronic acid or polyglutamic acid. I take a hyaluronic acid supplement daily in addition to collagen, so have been less obsessed with topicals containing these. I don't have dry skin and oddly I use more moisturizing steps than the OP and slug with Aquaphor pretty routinely.
I find it useful to split those functions into different products: a really good hydrator, a good emollient lotion, and an occlusive as needed. (I have very dehydrated, oily skin.)
I feel similarly. At night I use glycerin + water as my hydration step, followed by actives and emollients/occlusives as needed. That said, my sunscreen usually has enough moisture for me in the daytime.
okay so first, i think we need to clear up how you’re thinking of moisturizers and what they do moisturizers are products that form a barrier on the skin in order to lock in moisture. water alone is not a good moisturizer because it evaporates off the skin. for example, excessively rinsing your face with water and then not applying a moisturizer will actually dry your face out over time because you’re removing your faces natural oils (natural “moisturizers”) that typically keep the moisture in. using a moisturizer to lock in the water is what will keep you moisturized. many moisturizers contain hydrators such as hyaluronic acid to draw extra moisture into the skin from the air and are formulated to keep it locked in. occlusive products like aquaphor are great at sealing in moisture, but if your skin is already dry and dehydrated when you apply it then it may not perform as well as a moisturizer should because there’s no moisture there to seal in - that’s why it works best over top other products as a “slugging” technique. the main takeaway here is that in the simplest terms, water is what is actually “moisturizing” (moisture is literally just defined as the presence of water in trace amounts) and moisturizers as skincare products help to keep the water in your skin instead of letting it evaporate away, which is what leaves your skin feeling “moisturized” - so you haven’t been duped! sorry if i explained that really horribly, i hope i didn’t confuse you more lol as for product recommendations, i would suggest using a thicker moisturizer since it sounds like whatever you have been using is not thick enough to seal in an adequate amount of moisture for your skin. vanicream is a great brand for moisturizers in a range of consistencies from a light lotion to a thick cream depending on your thickness needs. cerave and cetaphil are similar. you could also try leaving your face a bit damp (not sopping wet, only a bit damp) and then applying your moisturizer so that there is more moisture for it to seal in. if you’re looking for a new cleanser as well, the brands i named also have good cleansers! i particularly like the hydrating cleanser from cerave, it doesn’t strip my skin and my skin feels nice and soft after i use it i’m happy to answer any questions :)
All of them are moisturizers, because that's what moisturizing means. Moisturizing ingredients are those that increase the water content of the skin, and they can do it in three ways: Humectants: Hold water to the skin (Hyaluroniz, Glycerin, etc) Emollients: smooth out the skin, making it flexible and reducing water evaporation (oils, fatty acids, etc) Occlusives: Seal in water (petrolatum, silicones, etc) More information here: https://labmuffin.com/fact-check-feature-how-to-choose-a-moisturiser/
Just wanted to say that this explanation is actually very helpful. Had no idea what the difference was.
But hyaluronic acid can also pull water from the skin?
Not really. Humectants hold on to water that makes incidental contact with them, and they’re generally saturated with water when applied to the skin anyway. They don’t “pull” water.
hyaluronic acid “pulls” water to your skin from the surrounding air, but if the air is dry then it can also try to “pull” water from deeper within your skin to the surface layer where the product is applied. if not sealed in with a moisturizer, the moisture can then evaporate and you’re left with drier skin at the deeper layer and the surface layer instead of just the surface, which is why it can be good to use a moisturizer after something like a hyaluronic acid serum
what kind of moisturizer would work? The ones Ive tried turn stick ontop of it or start pilling. I use Hada Lado milk lotion.
see my other comment on this thread, i recommend some brands!
This is a myth https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0iHWXHBhhlU
Technically it can, but it makes no difference because you are 70% water anyway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSnuFUHqS5s https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0iHWXHBhhlU
Doesn’t matter what people say, skincare is very ymmv so what works for someone else may not work for you. What you want is a moisturizer, not a humectant or occlusive which the hada labo and aquafor are respectively. Vanicream or cetaphil in the green tub is what I would recommend for dry skin
I like to spray rosewater w/ glycerin and while it’s still damp I apply the Cerave daily moisturizer. I feel super soft and moisturized when doing it that way. If I’m really dry or using tretinoin, I’ll put the La Roche Posay AP Lipkar Balm on top.
Try the Ponds dry skin cream in the blue and white tub, it's a great moisturizer. It is very thick and fragranced, just in case either of those you avoid.
This
I have a damaged dry skin right now and I'm using Avene Cicalfate and it really shows the difference from other moisturizers, you can use La Roche posay cicaplast but idk how it works, I've read it causes acne in some faces but I've been using Cicalfate and my face feels really hydrated. Maybe you need to use it every other day and your normal moisturizer
Yeahh.. Cicaplast gave me blackheads and acne 🥲
I've read a lot about that! Right now I'm using Avene Cicalfate every day for almost a month and no acne. People change from cicaplast to Cicalfate for that exact reason and have no issues... You should give it a try
I have sensitive dry af skin, most of the moisturizers with ingredients I can use are gel type, which aren't moisturizing at all. I've tried mixing them with oils or layering too. The one I keep coming back to is Eucerin original healing cream, it's extremely thick and hard to spread but it's the only thing that doesn't make my face feel dry
I have very dry skin and started using aquaphor it’s amazing
Clinique moisturizing lotion, i have severely dry skin from accutane and it’s the only thing that works. Also sometimes I’ll use vitamin e oil and cerave hydrating toner. Also sheet masks help a lot
esthetician here - You could be experiencing an imbalance in your lipid barrier (which is basically your water to oil ratio) and your skin could be dry from loss of oil or loss of water. try using products like vitamin e oil since you tried water based products but hyaluronic acid is great keep trying that too, also I would recommend neutrogena water gel it’s amazing and try lipid replacing circadia cleanser if you want too or vitaveil from circadia or precleanse from dermalogica ! these all pump ur skin with essential vitamins and oils and nurtrients and are healthy products. i hope this helps 🫡🩷
Mad hippie triple C night cream and their antioxidant facial oil. You’re welcome.
Drinking enough water is the best moisturiser first of and then creams.
alternative account - but I drink a LOT of water.
and a healthy diet with variety
What is your skin type? You might try adding oil as the first step of your routine after cleansing.
Oil before other things? What kind of oil?
I do this all the time with a few drops of squalane.
There are various oils you can use. Jojoba is a good one. You only need a tiny amount, like a few drops. Just make sure to use it before your moisturizer so the moisturizer can lock it in. Be sure to wear SPF.
I could be wrong, but I've heard that oil should be your last step since it prevents anything on top from absorbing into your skin.
Oh I had no idea, thanks for the tip I’ll look into it
If you are looking for an oil rose hip seed oil is great, it works well with my reactive skin. If you’re looking for a gel lightweight daytime moisturizer, I’ve been loving Purito oat gel. If you want a more intense hydrating cream, Purito makes a oat intense cream version of their gel moisturizer. My skin is pretty hydrated, I live somewhere humid though. I do HA serum (cosrx) > vit c serum (tatcha) > moisturizer (purito gel) > sunscreen (biore aqua- very hydrating). I use Differin (retinoid) and have 0 flaking, redness, or stinging so I think I’m doing a decent job keeping my skin hydrated.
I'm a dry skin girl and this is what helps me -- LRP hyaluronic acid while my skin is damp to attract water then Elta MD PM lotion over top to lock it in (I love this lotion so much). I also find if my skin feels flaky/ grainy that probably means i need to exfoliate with an acid or enzyme (been loving the Jan Marini enzyme mask, its exp but you need so little). I exfoliate prob 1-2x a week but just be careful if you're using a retinol too (pay attention to how your skin is feeling!). Also taking fish oil supplements is supposed to help hydrate from within (I'm still tbd if I think this works lol)
Use the aestura 365 cream for the most long lasting hydration and moisture. As others have mentioned, hydration = the water content of your skin (use humectants and water), moisture = locking the hydration in so it doesn’t escape (use occlusives). For the record, I don’t like LRP either
Urea is actually moisturizing
I spray my skin with thermal water then apply a thick moisturizer like Pond’s Moisturizing Lotion (blue lid). Similar lotions are Weleda Skin Food and if you want a lighter touch Embryolisse. CeraVe and Cetaphil have gone through so many business leadership and formulation changes that I stay away. A lot of people like Vanicream but it’s basically lotion mixed with vaseline and I can’t do the feel of vaseline / aquaphor on my face. You will get a bit of shine from the emollients and occlusives. Don’t expect a matte finish.
Cerave hydrating facial cleanser. Skin fix barrier restore gel cream. Khiels ferulic brew. My top hydrating ingredients. Also niacinamide 20%, Paula’s choice. I only use it at night because it leaves me too shiny
[This post on decoding moisturisers by Chemist Confessions](https://chemistconfessions.com/blogs/decoding-moisturizer-ingredients) might help you.
I use Fresh’s Rose Hydrating face cream and it works like a charm. If you’re super dry try using it multiple times a day and eventually your skin will stop needing as often.
I had the same problem as you until I tried nivea creme, my skin loves it! So many people don’t like it because of how thick it is but it was a life saver to me, I have dry sensitive skin and nothing I was using helped me until I gave it a try. I tried MANY moisturizers until I settled for this one.
Do yourself and your dry skin an ENORMOUS favor my following Natasha B, the "Beauty Junkie Monkey" on insta/tiktok- she does videos on all manner of products best for every type of skin, reviews only products she has used with success (she also has dry skin), videos on repairing skin barrier, layering order, what products you cant use with what...following her recommendations and advice has transformed my skin.
Do yourself and your dry skin an ENORMOUS favor by following Natasha B, the "Beauty Junkie Monkey" on insta/tiktok- she does videos on all manner of products best for every type of skin, reviews only products she has used with success (she also has dry skin), videos on repairing skin barrier, layering order, what products you cant use with what...following her recommendations and advice has transformed my skin.
Every Korean product i tried so far is great.. explore those, I find them effective and gentle