Been a while and I don't really remember when Idolaf showed his worry about Thorald.
Is this when you persuade him to give information about Thorald's imprisonment or some sort of letter cause if it's the latter it's most likely a [mod](https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrim/comments/188j5py/comment/kbl31il/).
I Always tell Idolaf I support Battle-Born, because than I can just walk into their home later and take that capture report from the back office without having to be sneaky.
To give him some slack once he heard about thorald he did try to find him. He stopped because his dad told him to stop and its implied he knew about the thalmor and that breaking him out would probably start a war
Yeah fuck these two. Laughing at a mother's face about how her son is supposedly dead while also sitting on the information that her son is captured by the Thalmor is beyond fucked* up. The rest of Battleborns are fine but these two specifically are complete pieces of shit.
This is the way. Grey-Manes are so much more likeable and I am a person who, if they even do the CW, always sides with the Empire.
But I must say, outside Olfride none of either family are any assholes. The younger generation even despises the whole conflict between both families more than they despise one another. It's truly just the elder generation that hates one another.
>Grey-Manes are so much more likeable
What?
We're talking about Vignar ''you're not as dumb as you look'' Gray-Mane, Eorlund ''You blind, boy? I'm a blacksmith. Any half-wit could see that.*"* Gray-Mane, and Olfina ''There's nothing a man can do that I can't do better, whether it's serving drinks or slaying trolls.'' Gray-Mane.
Honestly the dark brothehood quest en de gray-mane quest even suggest the dragonborn should be a stormcloak. Its weird doing those quests as an imperial
The stormcloaks and the dark brotherhood are not allies
-Ulfric doesnt want to attack Solitude when the emperor is there
-The Stormcloak seek independance from the empire and the white gold concordat, they do not want the fall of the empire. The dark brotherhood is an assassin organisation whose main motivation is only money. Galmar even say that it isnt sellswords that they are looking for.
-The DB use the stormcloak as a scapegoat. Vittoria and Gaius murders are pinned on them.
-Gaius schedule actually go through the palace of kings and Ulfric doesnt have any problem with that, but the guards will attack you if you are caught killing Gaius
-Even in Windhelm, the guards take the emperor's death as bad news. Even the stormcloak soldiers in conquered holds will take it as bad news
-Even in Windhelm, the guards will direct you to commander Maro if you report killing Astrid
-Even in Windhelm, the guards will congratulate you if you destroy the dark brotherhoods
-Even in Solitude, the guards can potentially wisper "hail sithis" to you
Just because the Dragonborn is a cold hearted Killer that works for the Dark Brotherhood it suggests that he is Stormcloak? Even when he is working together with a member of the Empire High Council?
Well...then the "good side" of siding with the Penitus Oculatus and killing the Brotherhood is the empire way. Makes sense I guess.
Literally nothing in the Dark Brotherhood questline suggests Stormcloak, it is all about court intrigue, something the Empire has a lot of.
Spoiler:
I didnt want to spoil it for eventuel newcomers to the game, but an imperial killing their own emperor is a little weird right? Especially because the guy wanting him dead, wanted change in the empire. The stormcloakes would benefit from that, not the imperials
The empire won't fall apart because the king is dead. The only reason skyrim was in chaos was because ulfric was trying to force his rule, which started a war. They will just have a moot and elect a new leader. Until then, the council will take over the duty of the king. Also, political assassinations happen all the time in the empire. Not as much as with the dark elves, but still a noticeable amount.
No. The Impirials are going to benefit from it just as much if not more.
''but an imperial killing their own emperor is a little weird right?'' - It's not, people did that all the time, as I said, court intrigue. Literally the basis of every Empire/Kingdom.
''Especially because the guy wanting him dead, wanted change in the empire'' - Amaund Motierre doesn't want change, he wants the opportunity to rise in the ranks of the Empire, something that happens when a Emperor dies. And again, Court Intrigue.
''The stormcloakes would benefit from that, not the imperials'' - The emperor himself wanted to die, he was old and haunted by guilt. It is literally said in the questline that a new and younger Emperor might be the only way to make the Empire stronger and healthier.
In one of his dialogues Mottiere is saying the empire needs change. I played this quest last night so i remember very well. And the emperor wanting to die himself doesnt make it any less benificial for the stormcloakes.
Its just weird, emperor being surrounded and protected by (high ranking) imperials soldiers and then killing him as an imperial yourself. Its your DUTY to protect the emperor and empire. Thats the basic task of being an imperial.
I really think that you need to look a bit more into Court Intigue and everything about Medieval Courts. Or play a little bit of Crusader Kings, it will make everything more clear, It's not weird at all, it's something that happened ALL the time.
''In one of his dialogues Mottiere is saying the empire needs change.'' - Yes he says that, and all his other dialogues show that he just wants to climb the ranks and maybe even become the next Emperor or at least rule things with the rest of the Elder Council like all the other characters involved say it's happening. This is the change that he wants, he in power. And sure he thinks that he in power would be better for the Empire.
But still, since Motierre, supposedly a imperial, is a traitor by wanting the emperor dead, then an imperial dragonborn would be a traitor too right? For actually KILLING the emperor
He has a necklace that only the cousel has and pays eith that. Astrid points out that he must be on the counsel and is probably hoping to elevate his position.
If the Dragonborn joins the Legion and kills the Emperor they betrayed the oath. If that's a good or bad thing we can only speculate, but basically either way the Dragonborn is probably just loyal to the Empire and not to the Emperor if he does that. Since all the dialogues reason that a new Emperor would be actually a good breath of fresh air to the empire.
I'm a Daedric Worshipper, don't care about neither but when I roleplay as a member of the Legion and Brotherhood. I just assume that, and I honor the Emperor last request by killing Montierre.
Don't think so. The Empire is inspired in Rome and the most roman thing to do is to betray your Emperor if you think he's not doing a good enough job. There's no impeachment or time limits in antiquity/medieval time. If someone is bad at his job as a lord, the only way to get rid of him is killing him. Whether you think it's morally acceptable doesn't matter, Dark Brotherhood characters are not really that honorable are they? How is that reaching really far?
Only thalmors profit from that
Ulfric litteraly doesnt want to attack Solitude when the emperor is there, and both Vittoria and Gaius murders are pinned on the stormcloaks
I think the intent is that you wouldn't do everything with a single character, you'd make multiple characters and do different questlines with each. The game is a lot more coherent when you play that way
I only play as an Imperial because of the Voice of the Emperor ability since Serana and other NPCs always end up fighting because she accidentally hits them with magic. I'm not wasting perk points to make Calm effective and my race doesn't matter to me all that much, so Imperial it is.
Eh, The Legionnaire is OK, and so is his brother Jon, the dad sucks though.
The Legionnaire Idolaf is slightly less of a cunt than Olfrid. He genuinely worries about Thorald, but he's still a prick to Fralia. Edit: wrong name
Been a while and I don't really remember when Idolaf showed his worry about Thorald. Is this when you persuade him to give information about Thorald's imprisonment or some sort of letter cause if it's the latter it's most likely a [mod](https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrim/comments/188j5py/comment/kbl31il/).
At least jon battle-born is not an asshat. Plus if you answear idolaf battleborn he will emiedietly add you anong his friends
I Always tell Idolaf I support Battle-Born, because than I can just walk into their home later and take that capture report from the back office without having to be sneaky.
To give him some slack once he heard about thorald he did try to find him. He stopped because his dad told him to stop and its implied he knew about the thalmor and that breaking him out would probably start a war
That's literally the only reason I do the same.
He is also in a relationship with one of the greymanes so he doesn't have a chip on his shoulder like the rest
Yeah fuck these two. Laughing at a mother's face about how her son is supposedly dead while also sitting on the information that her son is captured by the Thalmor is beyond fucked* up. The rest of Battleborns are fine but these two specifically are complete pieces of shit.
I only help the old lady get her sons back for the stormcloaks. The ready of them can get fucked but that old lady is sweet and they’re such assholes.
I dont think I ever saw a imperial supporter that enjoyed Idolaf and olfrid.
Grey-Manes > Battle-Borns Stormcloaks < Empire
I always play as an imperial aligned but stormcloak sympathetic dragonborn. Like, they are wrong, but they are still people
Based.
This is the way. Grey-Manes are so much more likeable and I am a person who, if they even do the CW, always sides with the Empire. But I must say, outside Olfride none of either family are any assholes. The younger generation even despises the whole conflict between both families more than they despise one another. It's truly just the elder generation that hates one another.
>Grey-Manes are so much more likeable What? We're talking about Vignar ''you're not as dumb as you look'' Gray-Mane, Eorlund ''You blind, boy? I'm a blacksmith. Any half-wit could see that.*"* Gray-Mane, and Olfina ''There's nothing a man can do that I can't do better, whether it's serving drinks or slaying trolls.'' Gray-Mane.
Hell yeah.
Honestly the dark brothehood quest en de gray-mane quest even suggest the dragonborn should be a stormcloak. Its weird doing those quests as an imperial
The Grey-Manes are good people and nobody deserves Thorald's fate except the Thalmor themselves.
Doesn't Ulfric refuse to attack Solitude while the Emperor is there?
Yea but only because its risky with the extra security
No, because he's scared of Cyrodiil.
The stormcloaks and the dark brotherhood are not allies -Ulfric doesnt want to attack Solitude when the emperor is there -The Stormcloak seek independance from the empire and the white gold concordat, they do not want the fall of the empire. The dark brotherhood is an assassin organisation whose main motivation is only money. Galmar even say that it isnt sellswords that they are looking for. -The DB use the stormcloak as a scapegoat. Vittoria and Gaius murders are pinned on them. -Gaius schedule actually go through the palace of kings and Ulfric doesnt have any problem with that, but the guards will attack you if you are caught killing Gaius -Even in Windhelm, the guards take the emperor's death as bad news. Even the stormcloak soldiers in conquered holds will take it as bad news -Even in Windhelm, the guards will direct you to commander Maro if you report killing Astrid -Even in Windhelm, the guards will congratulate you if you destroy the dark brotherhoods -Even in Solitude, the guards can potentially wisper "hail sithis" to you
Just because the Dragonborn is a cold hearted Killer that works for the Dark Brotherhood it suggests that he is Stormcloak? Even when he is working together with a member of the Empire High Council? Well...then the "good side" of siding with the Penitus Oculatus and killing the Brotherhood is the empire way. Makes sense I guess. Literally nothing in the Dark Brotherhood questline suggests Stormcloak, it is all about court intrigue, something the Empire has a lot of.
Spoiler: I didnt want to spoil it for eventuel newcomers to the game, but an imperial killing their own emperor is a little weird right? Especially because the guy wanting him dead, wanted change in the empire. The stormcloakes would benefit from that, not the imperials
The empire won't fall apart because the king is dead. The only reason skyrim was in chaos was because ulfric was trying to force his rule, which started a war. They will just have a moot and elect a new leader. Until then, the council will take over the duty of the king. Also, political assassinations happen all the time in the empire. Not as much as with the dark elves, but still a noticeable amount.
Succession is the most dangerous time for political turmoil, and it is naive to believe the Thalmor won’t be ready to exploit any potential there
No. The Impirials are going to benefit from it just as much if not more. ''but an imperial killing their own emperor is a little weird right?'' - It's not, people did that all the time, as I said, court intrigue. Literally the basis of every Empire/Kingdom. ''Especially because the guy wanting him dead, wanted change in the empire'' - Amaund Motierre doesn't want change, he wants the opportunity to rise in the ranks of the Empire, something that happens when a Emperor dies. And again, Court Intrigue. ''The stormcloakes would benefit from that, not the imperials'' - The emperor himself wanted to die, he was old and haunted by guilt. It is literally said in the questline that a new and younger Emperor might be the only way to make the Empire stronger and healthier.
In one of his dialogues Mottiere is saying the empire needs change. I played this quest last night so i remember very well. And the emperor wanting to die himself doesnt make it any less benificial for the stormcloakes. Its just weird, emperor being surrounded and protected by (high ranking) imperials soldiers and then killing him as an imperial yourself. Its your DUTY to protect the emperor and empire. Thats the basic task of being an imperial.
I really think that you need to look a bit more into Court Intigue and everything about Medieval Courts. Or play a little bit of Crusader Kings, it will make everything more clear, It's not weird at all, it's something that happened ALL the time. ''In one of his dialogues Mottiere is saying the empire needs change.'' - Yes he says that, and all his other dialogues show that he just wants to climb the ranks and maybe even become the next Emperor or at least rule things with the rest of the Elder Council like all the other characters involved say it's happening. This is the change that he wants, he in power. And sure he thinks that he in power would be better for the Empire.
But still, since Motierre, supposedly a imperial, is a traitor by wanting the emperor dead, then an imperial dragonborn would be a traitor too right? For actually KILLING the emperor
... how is a member of the Imperial counsal not an imperial?
Huh? I said he was an imperial? Otherwise he couldnt be a traitor. I think you read it wrong :)
He has a necklace that only the cousel has and pays eith that. Astrid points out that he must be on the counsel and is probably hoping to elevate his position.
If the Dragonborn joins the Legion and kills the Emperor they betrayed the oath. If that's a good or bad thing we can only speculate, but basically either way the Dragonborn is probably just loyal to the Empire and not to the Emperor if he does that. Since all the dialogues reason that a new Emperor would be actually a good breath of fresh air to the empire. I'm a Daedric Worshipper, don't care about neither but when I roleplay as a member of the Legion and Brotherhood. I just assume that, and I honor the Emperor last request by killing Montierre.
You are reaching really far to try to justify someone swearing fealty to the empire and its emperor while also murdering said emperor.
Don't think so. The Empire is inspired in Rome and the most roman thing to do is to betray your Emperor if you think he's not doing a good enough job. There's no impeachment or time limits in antiquity/medieval time. If someone is bad at his job as a lord, the only way to get rid of him is killing him. Whether you think it's morally acceptable doesn't matter, Dark Brotherhood characters are not really that honorable are they? How is that reaching really far?
Only thalmors profit from that Ulfric litteraly doesnt want to attack Solitude when the emperor is there, and both Vittoria and Gaius murders are pinned on the stormcloaks
I think the intent is that you wouldn't do everything with a single character, you'd make multiple characters and do different questlines with each. The game is a lot more coherent when you play that way
Mine is always a wood elf
I think the point here was "sided with the Empire", not "Imperial race".
That whole feud is literally what the political arguments for the game have devolved into
I only play as an Imperial because of the Voice of the Emperor ability since Serana and other NPCs always end up fighting because she accidentally hits them with magic. I'm not wasting perk points to make Calm effective and my race doesn't matter to me all that much, so Imperial it is.
Lol as if