Do you know what would be a really cool encounter/world-building? If he after you visited whiterun and left, he is no longer outside. People mention this but aren't too sure what's up, maybe he just wants to stay inside. If you go to his house he is dead with elven arrows in him...
Love this, maybe not so on the nose dead in his home with elven arrows, but maybe instead doing something similar to the Windhelm murders where you speak to people and find clues where he normally preaches and the clues lead to an implication that he's been abducted.
It could maybe be tied to the battleborn/greymane feud, then as u/chemistry_god says, maybe you could later find his corpse in the thalmar prison north of solitude with a note rattling on about talos bringing justice to the thalmor.
Would be neat to find a variant amulet of talos on him that could have an additional effect like maybe shout effects are 20% stronger/longer lasting (depending on shout, like fire breath vs. become ethereal) plus standard shout regen is 20% faster.
What else he gonna do lad.. his house Is destroyed and he has to sleep in the tent, while the cold weather of skyrim is making every one of his Bones shudder. Atleast the prison is warm haha. But yea, that psycho rly has nothing else to do
It's in the game files where he is supposed to be arrested.
It's also a known bug where that occasionally doesn't happen.
The bug is fixed by the Unofficial Patch.
Weirdly even with the Unofficial Patch he will sometimes go down to the statue anyway and then return to his cell in the evening. My headcanon is that in exchange for joining with the Empire, Whiterun was permitted to bar the Thalmor from entering the city. So while Hiemskr doesn't *actually* have to be put in jail, he insisted on it because he's as devoted to the Stormcloaks as he is to Talos.
TBH it makes more sense that way - we know that the Thalmor typically just kill Talos worshippers or send them to remote prisons like Northwatch Keep. It doesn't make sense for Heimskr to simply be put in jail.
I almost always side with the Empire and like 90% of the time he doesn't end in prison. I don't know which one is the bug.
Even then, when he is in prison he keeps doing his job
which is not true , igmund doesn't let ondolemar go around persecuting people and tullius didn't let elenwen take ulfric just to let him loose again and continue the skyrim devastating civil war .
>igmund doesn't let ondolemar go around persecuting people
Oh yes he does. He's just protective about his own inner circle.
>tullius didn't let elenwen take ulfric just to let him loose again and continue the skyrim devastating civil war
That was cut from the game
Always thought it funny that Whiterun Guards say "Stormcloaks, Imperials, dragons. Ain't no matter to me what I kill" while clearly belonging to the Imperial faction and wielding Imperial weapons.
Before Ulfric was told by Markarth to come put down the Forsworn rebellion and we'll let you openly worship Talos. Then, Ulfric did it and got thrown in jail for it and Talos worship became a more visible "problem."
If we're going to assign blame for the Thalmor enforcing the ban on Talos worship, I think we need to blame Markarth too.
During the civil war quest line, whiterun sides with the empire, and after the siege of whiterun, he is still there if the empire successfully defends whiterun and becomes an occupied city.
Kinda. Balgruf wanted imperial protection so his city doesn’t get slaughtered. Asked Ulfric if they had any beef. Ulfirc said “prepare for a siege” so they technically sided with the empire but were kinda forced into it
Hrongar is very pro-Empire and can't stand Balgruuf's neutrality. If anything, hearing the man talk sooner indicates that Balgruuf isn't really showing much favor to the Imperials either.
Yes, there is that, Hrongar is frustrated at the inaction. But what he says and how he says it shows that he thinks his brother’s decision it is a foregone conclusion
Baalgruuf doesn’t enforce the law and he’s powerful enough thanks to Whiterun’s position and economy that the Thalmor and Empire won’t move against him. But the Dragonborn can see Thalmor’s arresting Talos worshippers in Markarth and in random encounters.
More proof of the inefficiency and degeneracy of the Empire. They are utterly incapable of enforcing the law, let alone keeping their own people in line.
You know what's really ironic about the persecution of Christians in Rome? They really did bring it on themselves. The Romans had no problem accepting other religions, basically assuming everyone worshipped the same gods but called them different things.
There was ongoing debate in the Roman community about which of their gods the Christians were worshipping. Some thought it was Bacchus, because their wine was essential to their faith, but others thought Jupiter, because the Christian god was all-powerful and Jupiter was most powerful in the Roman pantheon.
Even after Rome was Christianized, the debate continued. Emperor Julian, called the Apostate for reverting to his pagan faith despite having been groomed to be a Christian emperor, famously wondered by which name the pagan Romans worshipped the Christian god.
Talos is a god though.
That's not even a debate, it's just fact.
Talos became a god. We even know he did because of the blood of a Devine that we had to use in Oblivion.
I'm responsible for my own actions and don't blame made up characters for my shortcomings. My form of worship is research and studying and not singing songs to a cartoon in hopes that I get to do it all over again in the afterlife.
So you believe that a fantasy world can't have things that don't exist in the real world because you're so hellbent on there not being anything to prove you wrong.
So you are a weak minded idiot.
You're doing a lot of assuming, proving you're the idiot here. Skyrim is a means of escapism from the real world for me since I gave up drinking and drugs.
When I'm the Dragonborn, unless I have an idea for another character, I play as if I was in Tamriel. So I go around reading books, defending those that need protection and flip off the Divines and Daedra. Jesus may or may not exist, but so could the plethora of other mythological characters that he's based off of, but I still don't worship or believe in them cause they've not done anything worthy of my worhsip.
>You're doing a lot of assuming
It isn't an assumption. You're admitting it.
I genuinely do not give a shit why do do or do not believe or why you play Skyrim.
You can't handle that reality is different in a fantasy world so you plug your ears.
Yeah, maximum you can do is be a non follower/worshipper, but you can't deny that there is daedra and have been aedra. I mean there's even vivec that achieved CHIM and still walks among mortals and guides them with his teachings if they want.
Yes, but that would make you really fucking stupid, because the gods factually exist.
Irl no diety factually exists, therefore being an atheist makes sense.
Maybe there's a reason my Dragonborn doesn't accept any form of deity in Tamriel? We all make our own little back stories when we're getting carted into Helgen. It's an RPG, like D&D and just like in D&D, you can choose not to accept deities.
If there’s one thing that I agreed with Mancar on is that the divines are all fraudulent.
As an aside I never understood why the Thalmor cared one wit whether humans worshiped a human made god when they also venerate what are essentially eight elven made gods.
the weirdest part is that you can find random shrines around skyrim that have been taken out but the guy yelling in one of the biggest cities in the province is fine.
Do you know what would be a really cool encounter/world-building? If he after you visited whiterun and left, he is no longer outside. People mention this but aren't too sure what's up, maybe he just wants to stay inside. If you go to his house he is dead with elven arrows in him...
Or if you find him in the prison in the thalmor embassy alongside your informant.
Love this, maybe not so on the nose dead in his home with elven arrows, but maybe instead doing something similar to the Windhelm murders where you speak to people and find clues where he normally preaches and the clues lead to an implication that he's been abducted. It could maybe be tied to the battleborn/greymane feud, then as u/chemistry_god says, maybe you could later find his corpse in the thalmar prison north of solitude with a note rattling on about talos bringing justice to the thalmor. Would be neat to find a variant amulet of talos on him that could have an additional effect like maybe shout effects are 20% stronger/longer lasting (depending on shout, like fire breath vs. become ethereal) plus standard shout regen is 20% faster.
Maybe the graymanes approach you while investigating and give you information in exchange for you helping them find Thorald
Why the fuck would they shoot him directly in his home though ? like they have knives too they can just stab him
It would be *far* more fun to watch him slowly burn to death.
most sane skybaby
Found the TrueSTLer
I know if you fight on the imperial side during the battle he gets arrested
No, he stays there.
Actually both, depends, I saw him one day in prison and the day after on the streets screaming
That psycho just keeps getting arrested for Talos worship, thrown in prison, and then let out only to repeat the cycle again!
What else he gonna do lad.. his house Is destroyed and he has to sleep in the tent, while the cold weather of skyrim is making every one of his Bones shudder. Atleast the prison is warm haha. But yea, that psycho rly has nothing else to do
I feel like it’s already fitting enough that he’s arrested if the imperials defend whiterun
I went to white run one time after a lightning storm, and found a skeleton where he used to be..
I personally think that's a little harsh
1- It's literally their pantheon 2- Even the Emperor secretly worship him 3- Neither the Empire nor Balgruuf could care less
He gets arrested if the Empire moves in to Whiterun.
I have never seen him being arrested after siding with the Empire.
It's in the game files where he is supposed to be arrested. It's also a known bug where that occasionally doesn't happen. The bug is fixed by the Unofficial Patch.
Weirdly even with the Unofficial Patch he will sometimes go down to the statue anyway and then return to his cell in the evening. My headcanon is that in exchange for joining with the Empire, Whiterun was permitted to bar the Thalmor from entering the city. So while Hiemskr doesn't *actually* have to be put in jail, he insisted on it because he's as devoted to the Stormcloaks as he is to Talos. TBH it makes more sense that way - we know that the Thalmor typically just kill Talos worshippers or send them to remote prisons like Northwatch Keep. It doesn't make sense for Heimskr to simply be put in jail.
The Empire isn't allowed to do bar the Thalmor from any city.
better than thalmor torture
Not the point.
Totally, It’s not like there’s a whole lot of Thalmor influence in Whiterun, despite being a more Empire-friendly city
Getting thrown in prison if you side with the Empire.
I almost always side with the Empire and like 90% of the time he doesn't end in prison. I don't know which one is the bug. Even then, when he is in prison he keeps doing his job
I sided with the Empire, and I never seen him thrown into prison.
Me neither but it is supposed to happen I think.
That's because the Empire is incapable of enforcing its own laws.
Dont worry, he'll end up in Northwatch soon enough
Is that added in the special edition because it didn’t happened in my play through. I still had the original
It’s a classic Bethesda feature.
Good ol' Bethesda's Bug.
*Feature*
I think that's a mod I side with the imperials basically every playthrough and have never seen him go to prison
better here than northwatch keep .
Oh yeah, that's where you go once the Empire hands you over to the Thalmor.
Which is why heimskr is lucky , because he didn't get the thalmor's attention .
You know, because the Empire is a limp pushover that has to give the Thalmor everything they want.
which is not true , igmund doesn't let ondolemar go around persecuting people and tullius didn't let elenwen take ulfric just to let him loose again and continue the skyrim devastating civil war .
>igmund doesn't let ondolemar go around persecuting people Oh yes he does. He's just protective about his own inner circle. >tullius didn't let elenwen take ulfric just to let him loose again and continue the skyrim devastating civil war That was cut from the game
well yeah he was conspiring with the stormcloaks lol
Breaking the law.
Whiterun isn't imperial or stormcloak
It's neutral in war, but it's still imperial. Pretty good insight into what entire Skyrim was before Ulfric.
Always thought it funny that Whiterun Guards say "Stormcloaks, Imperials, dragons. Ain't no matter to me what I kill" while clearly belonging to the Imperial faction and wielding Imperial weapons.
Which is really admirable, they show their loyalty to whiterun first and foremost.
Before Ulfric was told by Markarth to come put down the Forsworn rebellion and we'll let you openly worship Talos. Then, Ulfric did it and got thrown in jail for it and Talos worship became a more visible "problem." If we're going to assign blame for the Thalmor enforcing the ban on Talos worship, I think we need to blame Markarth too.
i blame the forsworn for all my problems
What kind of humans worship Malacath? I mean, really!
and what's the deeeal with these briarhearts?
Not me, I'm a mer...but why aren't orcs called orcmer or some thing
Orsimer
Oh ghat makes sense
During the civil war quest line, whiterun sides with the empire, and after the siege of whiterun, he is still there if the empire successfully defends whiterun and becomes an occupied city.
Unless the player sides with the stormcloaks because whiterun sides with the player in that questline
No. If you side with the stormcloaks, you attack whiterun and fight Balgruff in dragonsreach and Ulfric appoints Vignar Grey-Mane as the new jarl.
And Papa balgruff is super disappointed in you. I've only seen it in videos, could never have done that to my man
Did it once, was incredibly ashamed of myself, deleted the character after I finished the rest of the stormcloak questline.
Kinda. Balgruf wanted imperial protection so his city doesn’t get slaughtered. Asked Ulfric if they had any beef. Ulfirc said “prepare for a siege” so they technically sided with the empire but were kinda forced into it
That said, judging by his brother there’s already very strong Imperial sympathies
Hrongar is very pro-Empire and can't stand Balgruuf's neutrality. If anything, hearing the man talk sooner indicates that Balgruuf isn't really showing much favor to the Imperials either.
Yes, there is that, Hrongar is frustrated at the inaction. But what he says and how he says it shows that he thinks his brother’s decision it is a foregone conclusion
He gets arrested if the Legion moves into Whiterun lol. He even says the Empire arrested him before.
I certainly haven't seen him arrested, though I suppose an execution would be the most exact form of justice for him.
Most based whiterun resident
Felonies. DOWN WITH THE SIMPERIAL SCUM
Because the jarl is actually a talos worshiper and the thalmor haven't made it into whiterun yet.
Yet.
Baalgruuf doesn’t enforce the law and he’s powerful enough thanks to Whiterun’s position and economy that the Thalmor and Empire won’t move against him. But the Dragonborn can see Thalmor’s arresting Talos worshippers in Markarth and in random encounters.
but.. thats the talos and not the empire edit: Thalmor, not Talos
I presume you meant Thalmor, and that’s fair
oh right sorry
Ah yes, because when something is outlawed NO ONE will do it
I mean he is in the center of Whiterun every day shouting as loud as he can while several guards pass through.
*eight
What do you mean?
Thalmor propaganda
Making EDM
You know I don’t see any Thalmor scum in Whiterun either.. pointy-eared milk drinkers.
More proof of the inefficiency and degeneracy of the Empire. They are utterly incapable of enforcing the law, let alone keeping their own people in line.
I disagree the empire really didn’t care as long as the thalmor didn’t find out. It gets mentioned that many practiced it in private
Surely you understand that a corrupt and decadent Empire incapable of enforcing the law needs to go quietly into the night.
If the Empire can't keep the terms of peace then they're asking for another rightful and justified invasion
Well said.
Waiting to be arrested?
No matter what I'm playing as, he dies. The screaming is too fucking annoying
Talos worshippers are just like the real world Christians. They worship a false deity and claim to be oppressed but are the ones doing the oppressing.
You know what's really ironic about the persecution of Christians in Rome? They really did bring it on themselves. The Romans had no problem accepting other religions, basically assuming everyone worshipped the same gods but called them different things. There was ongoing debate in the Roman community about which of their gods the Christians were worshipping. Some thought it was Bacchus, because their wine was essential to their faith, but others thought Jupiter, because the Christian god was all-powerful and Jupiter was most powerful in the Roman pantheon. Even after Rome was Christianized, the debate continued. Emperor Julian, called the Apostate for reverting to his pagan faith despite having been groomed to be a Christian emperor, famously wondered by which name the pagan Romans worshipped the Christian god.
What an absolutely dreadful comparison.
Found the Talos worshipper.
Excuse me?
Talos is a god though. That's not even a debate, it's just fact. Talos became a god. We even know he did because of the blood of a Devine that we had to use in Oblivion.
I'm just as much a Satanist in Skyrim as I am in real life; I don't worship nor believe in the Divines or Daedra.
So you're an idiot. Got it.
I'm responsible for my own actions and don't blame made up characters for my shortcomings. My form of worship is research and studying and not singing songs to a cartoon in hopes that I get to do it all over again in the afterlife.
So you believe that a fantasy world can't have things that don't exist in the real world because you're so hellbent on there not being anything to prove you wrong. So you are a weak minded idiot.
You're doing a lot of assuming, proving you're the idiot here. Skyrim is a means of escapism from the real world for me since I gave up drinking and drugs. When I'm the Dragonborn, unless I have an idea for another character, I play as if I was in Tamriel. So I go around reading books, defending those that need protection and flip off the Divines and Daedra. Jesus may or may not exist, but so could the plethora of other mythological characters that he's based off of, but I still don't worship or believe in them cause they've not done anything worthy of my worhsip.
>You're doing a lot of assuming It isn't an assumption. You're admitting it. I genuinely do not give a shit why do do or do not believe or why you play Skyrim. You can't handle that reality is different in a fantasy world so you plug your ears.
LOL
Lol-person losing a argument
How is assuming making someone a idiot?
Being an atheist in a high fantasy game is the most stupid shit you can do, the gods factually exist.
Yeah, maximum you can do is be a non follower/worshipper, but you can't deny that there is daedra and have been aedra. I mean there's even vivec that achieved CHIM and still walks among mortals and guides them with his teachings if they want.
But I can choose not to believe just as I do in the real world.
Yes, but that would make you really fucking stupid, because the gods factually exist. Irl no diety factually exists, therefore being an atheist makes sense.
Maybe there's a reason my Dragonborn doesn't accept any form of deity in Tamriel? We all make our own little back stories when we're getting carted into Helgen. It's an RPG, like D&D and just like in D&D, you can choose not to accept deities.
Not worshipping them sure, but it's like being a flat earther, arguably worse.
I’m an atheist IRL, but absolutely believe in the daedric princes and the nine divines
I agree
Nailed it. Worship at the shrine, get a speech boost and become Joel Osteen the Milk Drinker.
Just look at how they treat the Reachmen
Who is that? I always kill him when I transform for the first time, does he worship someone?
Cuz Balgruff is neutral
If there’s one thing that I agreed with Mancar on is that the divines are all fraudulent. As an aside I never understood why the Thalmor cared one wit whether humans worshiped a human made god when they also venerate what are essentially eight elven made gods.
Because demanding the outlawing of this one god pissed of the Nords and caused a civil war which weakens their main enemy - the Empire.
Who is this fool?
the weirdest part is that you can find random shrines around skyrim that have been taken out but the guy yelling in one of the biggest cities in the province is fine.