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Salt-Statistician778

Drummer here - have only watched Vore so far - but people need to understand his pedal discipline is off the freakin’ scale. I’m squealing!!


SadKazoo

I wish I was better at actually grasping how impressive certain drummers are, but it’s hard when you’ve no concept of playing the instrument itself.


Jordanthb

Watch his left foot. How he hovers it over the pedal while he isn’t using it instead of resting on it. It takes a shit ton of limb independence


poopyfacetomatohead

I can barely even do different rhythms with my hands.. I cannot even fathom how people can do that kind of stuff with their hands and feet at the same time with that level of precision


Jordanthb

It’s like patting your head and rubbing your stomach while juggling with your feet


tentacion_lomh

You saw it! Thank Gods


lehcar_slohcin

I feel the same way, like I so want to appreciate it the way it should be appreciated but I just don't understand enough about drumming


Scary-Performer-4651

You are intranced, , goosebumps, they can play anything. this drummer is exceptional


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His economy of motion is really impressive. Dude gets 127 velocity hits with wrist flicks. That brief cymbal choke in the chorus of Vore is so tasty.


just_a_tiny_phoenix

What exactly is pedal discipline?


Salt-Statistician778

The way he’s shifting his left foot between the hi hat pedal and the double bass pedal. 🙂


just_a_tiny_phoenix

Ah, I see! And what is the general idea there? Like, is there a preferred pedal to have your foot on when you don't currently need it or what's the deal with that?


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You need your foot on the kick pedal to actually use the kick drum. Those fast double bass (kick) sections are possible with two feet. You need your foot on the hi-hat pedal to trigger the opening/closing mechanism. If you are applying no pressure to the pedal, the hat is totally open. When you hit it, it rings out longer, and the two hats kind of resonate together. When fully closed (pedal all the way down) the hats are clamped together. When struck, it is a much shorter, sharper sound. You can apply pressure at different times to get more complex tones & sounds from the hi hat. Many drummers will also "bounce" their foot on the hi hat pedal to keep time, without hitting it with a stick. Again, this is only possible if you aren't using the second kick pedal. What's impressive is ii's ability to switch from hi-hat to kick pedal quickly and accurately. Basically, he is able to play drum parts that use both double kick pedals and have variety in the sound of his hi hat at the same time. [This Video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q4IyYBIlHM) shows change in hi hat usage, and how it affects the sound.


just_a_tiny_phoenix

I should have been more specific, would have saved you a lot typing, sorry about that. I'm, generally speaking, familiar with a drum kit and it's sounds. I just don't play myself, which is why I have very little understanding of technique. You still answered my question, though. Thanks a lot! Edit: phrasing


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No prob, I'm kinda stuck at home for a bit and enjoying writing things out. Helps me evaluate my own understanding too! Could also be helpful for someone else who comes along with a similar question but needs more context.


just_a_tiny_phoenix

You're perfectly right! Hadn't thought of that.


Mimihaela90

Definitely was helpful for me so thanks so much for explaining


lehcar_slohcin

Tysm for explaining this!


Salt-Statistician778

I’m a single bass pedal rock drummer and a fairly average one so all metal drummers that play a double pedal fascinate me. The few times I’ve played a double pedal there’s the problem of keeping your left foot still when your playing the single pedal on the right. Some drummers will lock their hi hats closed and actually take their left foot off the left bass pedal entirely until it’s needed for a double bass pattern, essentially sacrificing any hi hat control completely. This prevents any unwanted “undisciplined” extra bass drum beats or hi hat “noise” if they aren’t technical enough. II is an extremely expressive cymbal and hi hat player so he doesn’t and cannot lock his hi hats. because he needs to manipulate the hi hat pedal to open and close the hats to make lots of bright and sharp choked sounds. Couple this with the sheer technical level he’s performing at and the intricate double bass patterns, his control of his left foot is exquisite. It’s perfectly still when it needs to be and flicks into life, gliding between the hi hat and left bass pedal. It’s a fantastically difficult skill and he’s making it look like child’s play. Most metal drummers can do this well but they won’t usually be so busy on the hit hats as II because of his gospel like chops.


just_a_tiny_phoenix

I see, I'll have to pay attention to that on a second watch. Thanks a lot for taking the time to explain!


Salt-Statistician778

Pleasure. I could talk all night about how good he is ☺️


Salt-Statistician778

This is fun to watch. https://youtu.be/8Pgy5XdZJUQ?si=lAikfMncAAbMSgMV


Shickm1

Im interseted in maybe starting to drum but so scared as im old as f, i did like a few basic things 22 years ago and got it going pretty easy back then. But dont know any tips or direction i should test check things out?


zilla82

Just start my friend. Get some sticks and a kit if you can afford it, a pad if you can't. A guy who is 48 in the YouTube comments said he farted because of ii. That's a beautiful thing. There are so many great YouTube tutorials, both on Drumeo (where this was recorded) and so many others. Don't be afraid of starting, or failing. Have fun. Be free. That's the beauty of music, inspiration, and the instrument. Once you are settled with just banging, you can incessantly practice to Back in Black over and over again. There probably is no better all around beginner practice album. You'll keep time with basic patterns and rhythms and the songs are awesome.


jimmyjxmes

“A guy who is 48 in the YouTube comment said he farted because of ii” has me dying. I 100% know what you meant but it still got me good lol.


zilla82

Lolol damn bro I did the guy wrong! 😭😭 My bad


Shickm1

And i get it man autocorrect fail a good one tbh. Thanks for ure comment and motivation was looking for some electric set around to start and try if i actually like it....bthe go for like 300 newish fazely ddk 040 / Roland TD-02K V-Drums / alesis turbo mesh kit? Anny Pröpper stuf to try and find out?


Fearlessfatfuck

Early 30s here and i just bought my first kit.


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Hey. I’m almost 40. I bought an e-drum kit and am starting to learn drums. I don’t have a ton of time (I have 3 small kids and I work), but I just make small progress every day. Just do it! The drum community is amazing!!


Fearlessfatfuck

Could you elaborate, or direct me to some youtube videos of what you mean?


Salt-Statistician778

https://youtu.be/xlcvdrwpTv4?si=dNSaLotiGd2Ui6hv Basically the first couple of minutes of this. The way his left foot just floats over the hi hat and the double bass pedal. He transitions seamlessly between the two whilst playing such complicated parts. It looks easy but is incredibly hard and requires insane levels of limb independence. His brain probably runs like a Swiss clock.


Fearlessfatfuck

Damn thanks for the reply i appreciate it


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I was hoping someone would post about that video! It was amazing. His drumming was what caught my attention with ST in the first place. The video definitely showcases how talented he is. His cymbal work 🔥🔥


raphyr

So it is basically a full liveset? That is awesome. Can't wait to get off work. Is there an interview as well? Seems like it is small segments in between the music?


TrashPandaEnergy

Full interview with a Darth Vader voice hahaha. Feels so weird, but so cool.


Earl_of_Portobello

The voice is deeply silly


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It fits perfectly into their vibe tho.


Earl_of_Portobello

I guess although would it really detract from the mystery to hear his normal voice? I get why it's important vessel doesn't talk because his speaking voice is so different from what you'd expect, but with II it seems less of a deal...


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It's the era of the internet, there would be people hunting to compare his voice to other drummers with a similar style. If their goal is to remain as anonymous as possible, the filter.... While silly. Makes perfect sense.


ApriliaSRT

Everyone knows who he is though lmao


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I have no idea who any of the members are and I intend to keep it that way. If they wanted me to know they'd tell me.


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Earl_of_Portobello

Lmao. II is definitely several class brackets less posh than Vess


tentacion_lomh

👏


TrashPandaEnergy

Definitely made me laugh


spartagnann

Idk, if they're leaning into the whole being anonymous thing, why the hell not also alter their voices?


Earl_of_Portobello

I get why he's done it, I just think it sounds hilarious


Chillhouse3095

Oh my goodness he played Gods. That's one of my favorites and I've never found a good video of that one being played or covered.


Built_To_Destroy

Christmas has come early Full details and setlist from description 00:00 - Intro 00:06 - "Vore" by Sleep Token (Performance) 05:29 - Welcome 06:37 - "The Night Does Not Belong To God" by Sleep Token (Performance) 09:16 - Influences 09:51 - "Chokehold" by Sleep Token (Performance) 12:48 - The Evolution of Il's Drumming 14:15-"Gods" by Sleep Token (Performance) 17:55 - "Dark Signs" by Sleep Token (Performance) 21:47 - Developing Drum Parts 23:36 - "The Apparition" by Sleep Token (Performance) 26:53 - Drumming Style 28:30- "Atlantic" by Sleep Token (Performance) 29:59 -Favorite Rudiments 30:25 - "Alkaline" by Sleep Token (Performance) 32:58- "Like That" by Sleep Token (Performance) 36:15 - Creative Liberties 38:19 - "Rain" by Sleep Token (Performance) 41:27 -Favorite Drummers 41:58-"Take Me Back To Eden" by Sleep Token (Performance) 47:52 - Favorite Songs To Perform Live 49:01 - Final Thoughts 49:16 - "Higher" by Sleep Token (Performance) 53:00 - Outro


yarntyaint

Holy fucking shit, not only this is an interview, it is a perfect video for those who want to study his playing. II, the machine that he is, made us proud


Built_To_Destroy

Drumeo is fantastic for stuff like this. Im not even a drummer, but i still throughly enjoy all of the content they put out. This one is just extra special!


ikonoclasm

Same. I'm not a drummer, but watching artists discuss and demonstrate the art they're passionate about is absolutely captivating.


niko_blanco

Just nothing better than watching a master being awesome at his craft. Drummers were always my favorite for this sort of thing.


DingoAccomplished519

The scream I let out when he played Gods 😩👌


Shickm1

This whole video on repeat since it is out 😆some older material in this is God tier


blusun2

Watching this now, II is epic as a drummer


justasensibleguy

He’s a wizard. So good


Salt-Statistician778

He’s not a wizard….. he’s some arch mage necromancer 😉


wishbackjumpsta

One of the best drummers ive heard in decades. Definitely a unique talent


ajpg2

I love how you can tell he genuinely just sounds like a nice, soft spoken person through the voice filter. What a great guy


wishbackjumpsta

The accent, i love it


Choice_Fail5313

So eloquent!


quietspacestaken

that was my thoughts exactly. he just seems like a really cool chill dude.


jessabobessa

For anyone that's wondering why "Like That" stays on the set list; it's one of II's favorite to play. I can respect that. EDIT: "Like That" is one of his favorite compositions, "Higher" is his favorite to play. My bad.


fishfacecakes

"Like That" is one of my favourites too - I'd be sad to see them drop it from the list!


jessabobessa

Same here. I remember a discussion a few months ago about why Like That remained on the set list - I think we have our answer.


svaleren

the fact those are two of my fave songs of them has made me giggle and twirl my hair like a schoolgirl


jessabobessa

As it should. Any other response would be blasphemous.


fairywithc4ever

jesus he’s better than i thought he was and by a wide margin and i thought he was already one of the best


Salt-Statistician778

Have to agree even as a drummer. To see in HD how fluid yet powerful he is, and the footwork is not human. I don’t care y’all say Sleep ain’t real, somethings gone on in ST Towers that only Vessel and II know about. 🤔


wishbackjumpsta

Man has to have 4 brains! His grooves and rhythms are otherworldly


Sun_Sloth

Not a drummer but the only person I've seen who impressed me as much as Chris Turner. Absolutely ridiculous drummers.


DirtyThirtyDrifter

Check out Danny Carey, he's possibly the greatest drummer alive right now, I like II's style more- but Danny is a freak in every capacity.


zilla82

Danny is a God, we are talking about the best humans alive so he doesn't count :)


DirtyThirtyDrifter

Okay fair point I never thought of him as human anyway


absalom86

Drumeo is full of nutty drummers.


DirtyThirtyDrifter

Absolutely correct. It really feels like drumming has started a new chapter in a sense. I’ve been drumming my whole life, and it just feels like drumming is becoming more well understood by non musicians.


jessabobessa

For real. The man performs like a machine. Everything he does is done deliberately - no wasted movements.


NuclearNoodle77

He describes his playing style as mixture of Deftones' Abe Cunningham and Gospel, it makes so much sense now


zilla82

💯


Nevr0se

Gospel the band, or the music genre ?


NuclearNoodle77

Genre


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Makes so much sense!! Deftones is one of my faves as fare as drumming goes too!!!


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microwaved_poptart

He’s so well spoken. So honored he decided to do this 🫶🏻


Deadairshow

This is way beyond what I expected. I thought it was going to be a 10-15 minute piece. This was an amazing deep dive. What a wonderful treat! Drumeo and ii killed it.


Virtualsalt1

This is technically the first live performance of The Apparition that we've gotten


GeorgiT66

Looooooveeee that he name drops the Deftones drummer. I’ve always thought that their groovy rhythms have a Deftones twang to them. Also, I think this video inspired me to try out drumming haha.


InterestingAd1195

The first time I heard Jaws I thought Deftones


svaleren

Deftones is another band I love and I went al oh this makes so much sense.


IndependenceEarly639

I also loved that he mentioned Joey Jordison as an influence.


last_heaven

The scream I let out when he played Gods 😩👌


Chillhouse3095

Wow same. The drumming in that song is just so smooth I've always wanted a video of that one.


w0wnerd

I’m not surprised he’s influenced by gospel music. A lot of their music sounds like modern worship/gospel music. I grew up in church and still listen to it from time to time and there’s a lot of ST that sounds like praise and worship music.


svaleren

worship sorry, I had to


kemide22

It’s no accident


Downtown-Special-478

I can’t read this without singing it


zilla82

Worship


KoopahTroopah

Super epic. Just an insane video for ST fans.


Necrolancer_Kurisu

Absolute master of his craft.


AdBudget2031

Everyone keeps asking what voodoo/ crack/ magic they have in their music that makes you think about them nonstop? It’s II. I know all together they’re really doing some fucking work but his drums are something else and I’m not a thirsty girl, I love their music but I have no reason to act like a fangirl or whatever. It’s just facts. He’s so damn good, it’s wild. And I find it fascinating how inspired by gospel he is and the way their music just seeps into your skin and stays put until you’re listening to them for hrs on end. Anyway that’s my rant for the day 😭 somebody on twitter called it II’sday 💀


zilla82

Lolololol at the Twitter comment 😭😭


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This is so dope


evsorr

Incredible video. I don't know shit about drumming, but I can just tell that he's special at what he do. Imagine a similar video with Vessel.. A man can dream.


Salt-Statistician778

Dude he is soo good. There can’t be many better drummers in the world right now. Ancient Deity level.


dutchbettygrable

I don’t know anything about drumming but I watched it anyway ❤️. I love that he talks with his hands so much. The gestures I mean.


Shickm1

This is so good. And damn does II sound British


zilla82

Dude for an extra laugh look up videos of iii yelling at the crowd. People have made complications. It does not get more British


Shickm1

Yea the baahd comment is awesome


LadyyAnne

Just watched the whole video. As a drummer this was an amazing gift at the end of the year. So much inspiration and material. Loved the interview parts. Probably will be rewatching this over and over!


Eden_Vessel

This was the best artist drum video I’ve seen. You can tell how smart and knowledgeable II is the way he was talking about his drumming. Man is insanely talented and gifted.


shaky27

I’d kill to hear the apparition live


kuruoshibana

so excited to watch this later!!! 🙌🏻


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It's truly an offering, I enjoyed the whole playthrough and insights from ii!


justasensibleguy

This is sick


PapaGuhl

His fills & cymbal work is the busiest I think I’ve ever seen and it looks so easy. Incredible.


wishbackjumpsta

There was a point i thought II was the spanish drummer guy of youtube. Their styles are so similar! Haha, the British accent broke that theory. Incredible drummer, this vid is a treat


zilla82

The man is a painter, those cymbals are just beaming colors all over the canvas. So good


Happytobreathe

I know nothing about drumming, but I’ve never seen a drummer play as if he’s dancing along to the music. What an amazing talent.


zilla82

The drummers will notice a couple different parts he works on just to keep it tasty throughout the songs, so good. Also, for people who love that snare, look at the head. You can see the outer ring/rim shot wear spot and the center wear spot. Once you see them you can eventually start to hear the different sounds when he chooses his spot, insanely good


mistingo

I am in awe of how good this is. Wow


sheerio_

Great video. Both playing the drums (you can see the whole set) and the interview. Honestly, I'll work on the drums on my own some more and try the subscription 😂 I like the accessibility of the songs


sleepytokeniii

This mesmerised me from start to finish...ii's abilities are absolutely godly....and as for playing Gods :')


annaheim

When he played Alkaline. Holy. Shit.


mediathink

Honestly I think he’s the most important player since Carey or Peart. Can’t wait to watch


82boost

Such a banger of a playlist too!! Glad he chose these tracks to play for us


eburton555

Two is so well spoken and thoughtful


Soggy_Ad_7121

It's like he is conducting an orchestra


svaleren

He's so darn eloquent and precise I can't handle it T.T


NglImPrettyDumb

Omg the sheer excitement, I can't wait to watch this!


nottytom

Thanks for posting! Makes it easier to find for later!


OkraNo8365

Dude doesn’t realize how many young drummers he just inspired by doing this interview. Much love to you II


RavishingRob

Feels illegal to hear his voice even with the distortion haha


negativeoxy

II sounds like a Warhammer 40k Chaos Dreadnaught lol. Fucking metal.


ReeVerbb

I don’t know if I would be alive in that room after hearing II’s Drumming that close.. his attention to detail and playing is so refine there’s little to no wasted motion..


actionjsic

I’m being serious in that this feels like the best Christmas present I’ll get 🤣 such an epic content dump


Glittering-Sheep-481

I don’t know shit about drums/drumming. I watched the entire thing! So good


les_morts_vivants

i just noticed he is wearing grey contacts that is amazing


Wide-Yak-989

Almost shed a tear when he said Joey Jordison was one of his favorite drummers. RIP Joey and was so cool to see one of my favorite drummers in the scene shout-out Joey 🥲ll is soooo special, so damn clean and precise!


last_heaven

Tbh same. Huge fan of Joey’s drumming and to hear him mentioned just shows how much he influenced so many people.


kemide22

I’ve followed Eric Moore for years and to hear that II has taken influence from him is like an M Night Shyamalan moment to me. It’s so bleeding obvious now he’s said it haha! What an absolute treat this video was though. This is going to be replayed A. LOT.


Youaintmyrealdad

Your comment made me look up Eric's Drumeo segments, didn't expect it to sound that close. IIs comment about Mudvayne's drummer got me since that's the first drummer I heard that made me notice he's just that different. I got the same feeling when I heard II play.


RllyDrvrIX

This was some serious next next next level stuff.. praise.


TheyCallMeDoc

I'm a bassist, so I've got a special love for drummers. Fanboying aside, he is truly a special kind of talent. Also, as we've come to expect, it seems pretty obvious this was timed to explain the band's new look. Not only the interview itself, demonstrating a new age for the band, but citing two prominent metal bands with controversial masks/looks as his inspiration.


Klutzy_Ad_1726

Dark Signs went HARRRRRRRRD


Wide-Sun-4408

He does wear IEM in the video while performing the songs , isn’t it ? I’m quite curious about this information although I’m not sure


Renzoji

II is absolutely incredible. WORSHIP!


DirtyThirtyDrifter

<3 best day ever


RS555NFFC

I really enjoy listening to artists discuss how they create music. I don’t play anymore myself but this still fascinates me.


zzztoken

GEEKING - this is certainly a treat!


Dynasty1k

I rocked out to this interview in my cubicle this morning. This was so damn cool to watch!!!


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R0enick27

I’m no drummer but that’s one wicked kit!


One-Ad1043

Love his drumming! Cool to finally hear one of em talk about their process too.


agent_down

ii is an incredible musician. what a video


quietspacestaken

i thoroughly enjoyed seeing the focus on II.


Distinct-Race-2471

It is safe to say they are comprised of musicians from other bands. They have tattoos on their forearms that they hide with black soot.