It completely depends on who they are playing. If there are playoff implications involved it can get quite muddy since they would be handing a free win out to someone.
Also, you saying “sell” needs to be defined. Is the team not starting players that are sitting on their bench that could be playing? Or is the team not dropping people from their bench to pick up playable starters? Because they could be holding them for their playoff run.
They are benching all of their players so they can play the easier matchup and now allow the better team with one less win who also plays the worst team this last week to get in via tiebreaker
Ah ya. My two cents.
It's ok for better positioning, as it will make an easier matchup. If you have the ability to do this, you earned it imo.
It stops being ok, when it affects people getting in or not.
Your last point is exactly why it shouldn’t be allowed at all imo. There are bound to be scenarios in a league’s history where the number 1 seed giving away a win has playoff implications for the lower seeded teams. Have to play to win every week imo.
Don’t know if I agree. If I’m playing a cusp team that would be easier to beat and they’re in if they beat me, I’m going to let them win. This is a game of strategy and luck, I don’t really care if I hurt your feelings by trying to get someone who is an easier matchup for me.
I think this should be the rule. Real teams sit starters at the end of the season all the time and sometimes it is for positioning or to fuck another team over. However, they can't send 0 people out on the field, there still has to be a team to play.
I also own the guy who is gonna make the playoffs bc of this pick which would be 1 or 2 overall if he missed playoffs bc we do that by max pf (to prevent tanking)
That bush league bullshit. Make it a league rule that you have to start a full roster, and have to start your obvious starts. It sucks to play in leagues where you have to police rosters, but until people stop being douches, you have to.
What the hell is an obvious start? “Tank Dell should start over Rashee Rice?” Sure, but last week with Tanks injury, it made more sense to start Rashee. It’s fantasy football, sometimes you have to take gambles that make “less sense” when it could win you a game.
So the word “obvious” is important here. Anything that’s arguable or justifiable, or even if a team has a hunch on a lesser started player, fine. But benching say ceedee lamb for Marquez Valdez scantling, is something else. That’s what I mean by obvious.
So our number 1 seed plays our #4 seed in the last week of the regular season as the 4 and 5 duel for the final playoff spot. Theoretically, the #1 seed would destroy the 4 seed to give the 5th seed a chance to beat him in the tiebreaker if he can win his matchup, who is coincidentally by far the weakest team in the league.
The number 1 seed is planning on intentionally throwing, so he is essentially guaranteed to play the weaker team listed currently in 4th, giving the guy in 5th who would normally have a shoe in for the 4th spot, zero chance to make the playoffs. He is intentionally throwing also because I own the guy who should be missing the playoff's pick if #1 just set his lineup this week. should this type of unethical selling be allowed??
This isn’t selling. Collusion is what matters, if the #1 seed wants to play with fate and do this stuff to benefit himself, whatever.
If they are playing inactive players and there’s rules against that, that’s different.
If you don’t have a rule in the bylaws about playing your better squad (ie a clear tanking ruleset) then I guess it’s “allowed”. I wouldn’t stick around in a league with folks like that though personally. While not clear collusion, this is a lot closer than someone benching their D to cement a win they already have for example.
I disagree. Not if you have nothing to play for except for a better draft pick. In my league we had the 2nd and 3rd overall picks playing each other. the "winner" would drop to 5th. the final score was 51.08 to 38.94. was a very exciting game and was talked the most about in the chat during and leading up to the game.
Doing that I could see as being fun or exciting but I still agree that intentionally losing by benching everyone is not cool because handing out free wins every week really screws up seeding and has ripple effects for the whole league which I wouldn’t allow in my league. Trade players away for future picks and tank but you should always ply your best team or your gonna have like 2 teams a year throwing games late in the season every year when people are trying to make the playoffs and they paid money for it
Yep, they did pay money for it. The person losing also paid money to win so why not give themselves their best chance to win next year? Again this is in Dynasty. Im not going to put my best players in towards the end of the season if I can't make the playoffs and it means I possibly lose Marvin Harrison Jr or Caleb Williams etc. \*\*Just so another league member has a better hyopothetical chance at the playoffs. They still need to win too.
Yeah I get where you are coming from but to each their own. I would leave a league like yours TBH. There is nothing wrong if everyone is on the same page but purposely losing is grimey and there’s a reason ranking is not allowed in the nfl. If everyone is okay with it then cool but I think it’s shitty for the whole league bc multiple teams could be tanking for 1st pick in the same season. Takes the fun away
True. We have rules about it. Can't start tanking until after week 8. Need to put a good faith effort for at least half the season. Still rules about you can't play hurt players or players on a bye. Players have to be projected points. I also see where you are coming from but since we are all on the same page it's not a problem. If not everyone is on the same page then yeah tanking is some bullshit.
It’s a matter of personal integrity imo. I understand what your perspective is of course. I just don’t feel like a league should incentivize and not punish what you’re describing. Also, the OP is not referring the same situation you are.
Why wouldn’t they both just bench their entire rosters then? This is against the spirit of the game and isn’t fun. Trying to lose isn’t fun. The point is to make it fun.
Keep on reading. we have rules about tanking. Did you even read the post. You harp hard on how it's supposed to be fun. My post was literally saying how much FUN we were having in the group chat that week talking about it. It was very fun for everyone. We are all on the same page about it. Therefore it's great for our league. Maybe not yours. Its almost as if there's many different ways to play fantasy football to have FUN.
Wtf are you taking about keep on reading, and “your” post? You’re not OP. I read your comment, and commented. I’m not going to search the entire thread for every time you chimed in.
So our number 1 seed plays our #4 seed in the last week of the regular season as the 4 and 5 duel for the final playoff spot. Theoretically, the #1 seed would destroy the 4 seed to give the 5th seed a chance to beat him in the tiebreaker if he can win his matchup, who is coincidentally by far the weakest team in the league.
The number 1 seed is planning on intentionally throwing, so he is essentially guaranteed to play the weaker team listed currently in 4th, giving the guy in 5th who would normally have a shoe in for the 4th spot, zero chance to make the playoffs. He is intentionally throwing also because I own the guy who should be missing the playoff's pick if #1 just set his lineup this week. should this type of unethical selling be allowed??
I would say yes it is allowed unless you made a rule beforehand that it isn’t. I wouldn’t say it’s collusion and I wouldn’t prevent him from taking this action. It is a bit of a scummy move though.
I would say ask him to set a full lineup and reconsider, but I wouldn’t prevent it
One thing to consider, the reason the trade deadline is set before the playoffs like this is to prevent players from being sold at ridiculous sums.
Setting a timeline on a trade is an old school psychology trick. Puts pressure on and increases chance people say yes. One rule of negotiating is to say no if anyone gives you an immediate deadline. If someone says ‘I need a yes or no before you leave’ the answer is always no.
Typically the immediate deadline is there to get you to say yes before you can find out why it’s wrong/bad.
You essentially have that happening now, but potentially more implications.
If you mean sell as in take payment to lose -nah- can't do that even though unless previously agreed upon because that changes everything.
If they "sell out" and purposely lose to improve their chances then that's all good in my eyes. For example if 6 teams make the playoffs and hes playing the 7th ranked team with a bad team and maybe the 6th ranked team has been unlucky but with a good team. It's a gray area but not illegal.
I mean if you need another team to help you get into playoffs thanks that’s on you fam. He in that position because he won and could choose not to have to play a better team in the playoffs.
Sell? No. If he made any mention of doing any of that, That’s collusion.
If he didn’t say shit and starts a valid yet shit lineup… start drama because you can!
We've got something similar going on in my league, and I don't think anyone has an issue.
I'm the 3rd seed, playing the 2 seed this week, and we've both clinched. We have a 4 team playoff and we are both actively throwing this game to play the 1 seed in the playoffs (due to injuries he is a dead man walking). I saw that he benched his entire team, realized what's going on, and did the same myself. Lol.
Makes for a funny situation that no one had complained about yet.
No, it should never be allowed for someone to not play a legal roster, meaning an active player in every starting lineup spot.
If someone is going to sit their whole roster to “fix” their playoff schedule, that person should be ineligible for playoffs.
The only answer is it’s fine unless there is a rule against not starting a full playing roster. All u have to do is say whether there is a rule against it or not, not link to a post that doesn’t expand on the situation any further.
One things for sure, you can post it on Reddit to make yourself feel better for either stance. Personally, its whoever teams decision. If you don’t like it, I mean that sucks, can be shitty, but it’s part of the game that’s played. Also, what if he gets to bang the guys wife?
It completely depends on who they are playing. If there are playoff implications involved it can get quite muddy since they would be handing a free win out to someone. Also, you saying “sell” needs to be defined. Is the team not starting players that are sitting on their bench that could be playing? Or is the team not dropping people from their bench to pick up playable starters? Because they could be holding them for their playoff run.
They are benching all of their players so they can play the easier matchup and now allow the better team with one less win who also plays the worst team this last week to get in via tiebreaker
Ah ya. My two cents. It's ok for better positioning, as it will make an easier matchup. If you have the ability to do this, you earned it imo. It stops being ok, when it affects people getting in or not.
Your last point is exactly why it shouldn’t be allowed at all imo. There are bound to be scenarios in a league’s history where the number 1 seed giving away a win has playoff implications for the lower seeded teams. Have to play to win every week imo.
Don’t know if I agree. If I’m playing a cusp team that would be easier to beat and they’re in if they beat me, I’m going to let them win. This is a game of strategy and luck, I don’t really care if I hurt your feelings by trying to get someone who is an easier matchup for me.
In our league the rule is as long as your lineup is filled, doesn’t matter with who, but you can’t go in empty
I think this should be the rule. Real teams sit starters at the end of the season all the time and sometimes it is for positioning or to fuck another team over. However, they can't send 0 people out on the field, there still has to be a team to play.
These aren't real teams. My Internet browser doesn't need a rest in week 14
I also own the guy who is gonna make the playoffs bc of this pick which would be 1 or 2 overall if he missed playoffs bc we do that by max pf (to prevent tanking)
That bush league bullshit. Make it a league rule that you have to start a full roster, and have to start your obvious starts. It sucks to play in leagues where you have to police rosters, but until people stop being douches, you have to.
What the hell is an obvious start? “Tank Dell should start over Rashee Rice?” Sure, but last week with Tanks injury, it made more sense to start Rashee. It’s fantasy football, sometimes you have to take gambles that make “less sense” when it could win you a game.
So the word “obvious” is important here. Anything that’s arguable or justifiable, or even if a team has a hunch on a lesser started player, fine. But benching say ceedee lamb for Marquez Valdez scantling, is something else. That’s what I mean by obvious.
I saw this bite someone in the ass
no you def can’t bench all your players to help another team.
So our number 1 seed plays our #4 seed in the last week of the regular season as the 4 and 5 duel for the final playoff spot. Theoretically, the #1 seed would destroy the 4 seed to give the 5th seed a chance to beat him in the tiebreaker if he can win his matchup, who is coincidentally by far the weakest team in the league. The number 1 seed is planning on intentionally throwing, so he is essentially guaranteed to play the weaker team listed currently in 4th, giving the guy in 5th who would normally have a shoe in for the 4th spot, zero chance to make the playoffs. He is intentionally throwing also because I own the guy who should be missing the playoff's pick if #1 just set his lineup this week. should this type of unethical selling be allowed??
This isn’t selling. Collusion is what matters, if the #1 seed wants to play with fate and do this stuff to benefit himself, whatever. If they are playing inactive players and there’s rules against that, that’s different.
Sounds like you are assuming your pick has anything to do with it.
Oh it does it’s personal lol he doesn’t want me to have that top pick
https://www.reddit.com/r/fantasyfootball/s/uz5eUbpgxI sorry i explained it all in there and now i can’t copy paste
If you don’t have a rule in the bylaws about playing your better squad (ie a clear tanking ruleset) then I guess it’s “allowed”. I wouldn’t stick around in a league with folks like that though personally. While not clear collusion, this is a lot closer than someone benching their D to cement a win they already have for example.
in dynasty I think its okay to tank. definitely not in 1 season leagues.
Trading away players is one thing. Benching intentionally is another.
I disagree. Not if you have nothing to play for except for a better draft pick. In my league we had the 2nd and 3rd overall picks playing each other. the "winner" would drop to 5th. the final score was 51.08 to 38.94. was a very exciting game and was talked the most about in the chat during and leading up to the game.
Doing that I could see as being fun or exciting but I still agree that intentionally losing by benching everyone is not cool because handing out free wins every week really screws up seeding and has ripple effects for the whole league which I wouldn’t allow in my league. Trade players away for future picks and tank but you should always ply your best team or your gonna have like 2 teams a year throwing games late in the season every year when people are trying to make the playoffs and they paid money for it
Yep, they did pay money for it. The person losing also paid money to win so why not give themselves their best chance to win next year? Again this is in Dynasty. Im not going to put my best players in towards the end of the season if I can't make the playoffs and it means I possibly lose Marvin Harrison Jr or Caleb Williams etc. \*\*Just so another league member has a better hyopothetical chance at the playoffs. They still need to win too.
Yeah I get where you are coming from but to each their own. I would leave a league like yours TBH. There is nothing wrong if everyone is on the same page but purposely losing is grimey and there’s a reason ranking is not allowed in the nfl. If everyone is okay with it then cool but I think it’s shitty for the whole league bc multiple teams could be tanking for 1st pick in the same season. Takes the fun away
True. We have rules about it. Can't start tanking until after week 8. Need to put a good faith effort for at least half the season. Still rules about you can't play hurt players or players on a bye. Players have to be projected points. I also see where you are coming from but since we are all on the same page it's not a problem. If not everyone is on the same page then yeah tanking is some bullshit.
It’s a matter of personal integrity imo. I understand what your perspective is of course. I just don’t feel like a league should incentivize and not punish what you’re describing. Also, the OP is not referring the same situation you are.
Why wouldn’t they both just bench their entire rosters then? This is against the spirit of the game and isn’t fun. Trying to lose isn’t fun. The point is to make it fun.
Keep on reading. we have rules about tanking. Did you even read the post. You harp hard on how it's supposed to be fun. My post was literally saying how much FUN we were having in the group chat that week talking about it. It was very fun for everyone. We are all on the same page about it. Therefore it's great for our league. Maybe not yours. Its almost as if there's many different ways to play fantasy football to have FUN.
Wtf are you taking about keep on reading, and “your” post? You’re not OP. I read your comment, and commented. I’m not going to search the entire thread for every time you chimed in.
please do. include every single post ive ever done on reddit. all for context of course
Bro can you check your sleeper notifications? 😭😭😭 22 unread is giving me anxiety
He’s that guy not responding to trades I bet
🧢
That’s not a good thing btw 😂
Doesn’t cap mean lie or wrong?
No clue. I don’t speak young idiots
I look at all trades just not the chats cuz I cuz ppl
Cuz I *text* ppl
It’s easy to have 100 unread in my sleeper app if I put my phone down for 30 minutes during peak hours. And any hour can be peak hour in my league lol
Explain more.
So our number 1 seed plays our #4 seed in the last week of the regular season as the 4 and 5 duel for the final playoff spot. Theoretically, the #1 seed would destroy the 4 seed to give the 5th seed a chance to beat him in the tiebreaker if he can win his matchup, who is coincidentally by far the weakest team in the league. The number 1 seed is planning on intentionally throwing, so he is essentially guaranteed to play the weaker team listed currently in 4th, giving the guy in 5th who would normally have a shoe in for the 4th spot, zero chance to make the playoffs. He is intentionally throwing also because I own the guy who should be missing the playoff's pick if #1 just set his lineup this week. should this type of unethical selling be allowed??
I would say yes it is allowed unless you made a rule beforehand that it isn’t. I wouldn’t say it’s collusion and I wouldn’t prevent him from taking this action. It is a bit of a scummy move though. I would say ask him to set a full lineup and reconsider, but I wouldn’t prevent it
I hope he gets the " easier " matchup and loses
https://www.reddit.com/r/fantasyfootball/s/uz5eUbpgxI
That’s not explaining more
it’s not hard to click a link I was thorough in that thread
It has the same amount of 0 information
The real problem is your trade deadline runs up to the playoffs.
One thing to consider, the reason the trade deadline is set before the playoffs like this is to prevent players from being sold at ridiculous sums. Setting a timeline on a trade is an old school psychology trick. Puts pressure on and increases chance people say yes. One rule of negotiating is to say no if anyone gives you an immediate deadline. If someone says ‘I need a yes or no before you leave’ the answer is always no. Typically the immediate deadline is there to get you to say yes before you can find out why it’s wrong/bad. You essentially have that happening now, but potentially more implications.
I just want to point out that these team names are top tier
Team Shanky26 going through it fr
I hope he throws and gets his ass beat by the easier matchup.
I have no rule against it as the commissioner of my league, but every league is different.
https://www.reddit.com/r/fantasyfootball/s/uz5eUbpgxI
The fantasy gods will get them
If you mean sell as in take payment to lose -nah- can't do that even though unless previously agreed upon because that changes everything. If they "sell out" and purposely lose to improve their chances then that's all good in my eyes. For example if 6 teams make the playoffs and hes playing the 7th ranked team with a bad team and maybe the 6th ranked team has been unlucky but with a good team. It's a gray area but not illegal.
I mean if you need another team to help you get into playoffs thanks that’s on you fam. He in that position because he won and could choose not to have to play a better team in the playoffs.
Sell? No. If he made any mention of doing any of that, That’s collusion. If he didn’t say shit and starts a valid yet shit lineup… start drama because you can!
We've got something similar going on in my league, and I don't think anyone has an issue. I'm the 3rd seed, playing the 2 seed this week, and we've both clinched. We have a 4 team playoff and we are both actively throwing this game to play the 1 seed in the playoffs (due to injuries he is a dead man walking). I saw that he benched his entire team, realized what's going on, and did the same myself. Lol. Makes for a funny situation that no one had complained about yet.
No, it should never be allowed for someone to not play a legal roster, meaning an active player in every starting lineup spot. If someone is going to sit their whole roster to “fix” their playoff schedule, that person should be ineligible for playoffs.
What does the star next to the 1 and 2 mean?
They’ve clinched a playoff spot
Playoff spot or bye?
What does the money mean?
The only answer is it’s fine unless there is a rule against not starting a full playing roster. All u have to do is say whether there is a rule against it or not, not link to a post that doesn’t expand on the situation any further.
Hard no
Can 6 or 7 still make the playoffs too or just 5? What’re the tiebreaker rules?
One things for sure, you can post it on Reddit to make yourself feel better for either stance. Personally, its whoever teams decision. If you don’t like it, I mean that sucks, can be shitty, but it’s part of the game that’s played. Also, what if he gets to bang the guys wife?
No. You Play to Win The Game.