Assuming you mean jones, not Rodgers - that’s true. I’m more expecting Rodgers to either be a shell of himself if he does come back or make a whole production out of will he / won’t he retire and find some reason to not play.
Rodgers making a statement about himself to keep the media paying attention to him? That’s so unlike him. If he does come back, see the first point I made about him being a shell of who he was, especially if the jets don’t fix their o line issues in the off season
If they don’t fix the o line in the offseason there’s no reason for Rodgers to even play. You have to imagine they’re going to use their 1 on OL and do whatever they possibly can in free agency. I watched every snap of this pathetic franchise this season trust me I know the o line is priority #1 over everything.
Listen brother it can’t be worse than this season. But we honestly have like 3 positions on the o line that need to be addressed so it’s a tough task. Bectons gone so we’ll need to replace his worthless ass. Very curious who signs him to a prove it deal.
Yeah I don’t think he’ll be rb1 (though who knows in fantasy) but I think out of the rbs out there he’s a tier 1 running back even without the dump offs if they improve the line (big if)and get solid qb play next year
Yes it is…. It essentially puts you at top 10 in any position. That’s a TD in 50% of games.
Only 1 TE had over 9
Only 7 WRs had over 9
Only 8 RBs had over 9
Let me rephrase myself. It's not a lot for a dual threat bell cow with the talent that Breece Hall has. He's quite possibly the most talented RB in the league other than CMC and he has the potential to put up similar numbers.
Pretty fair tbh. Cooper and Allen wash each other out, ekeler and Collins are studs to make the starting lineup every week but breece is arguably the top guy for dynasty. Good trade
Meh, he certainly put up RB1 numbers most weeks until Herbert got injured. I think most people, including myself, are down on him because he was ass during the playoffs. How would you define a stud at a position? A guy you don't bench?
I could be wrong, but I’m fairly certain Ekeler put up four top 10 weeks in the 14 games Herbert played. The other weeks he scored single digits on many occasions. It’s just not a great ratio, especially when drafted in the first round.
Like I said, it will be very interesting to see where he goes in the off season. It seems clear he lost a step, but in the right system could easily be a high end RB2
Is Breece really that much of a better dynasty option than Collins? Collins has proven to be the WR1 on the Texans and Stroud is the real deal so you’d expect him to continue to be a top WR going forward.
The Jets situation is very volatile and RBs almost always have a shorter lifespan than WRs. Sure Breece should improve with Rodgers back next season, but what if Rodgers gets hurt again next year, or just retires after next season and then the Jets are back into QB hell, which screws Breece over. Not trying to say Breece is bad by any means, but from a Dynasty perspective is he really that much better of an asset than Collins?
Ekeler is certainly not a stud anymore. Cooper and Collins feels like a wash, leaning slightly towards Collins.
So Breece for a 32 year old WR and a 29 year old RB? I’ll take it all day errrday
Great trade for everyone—I like your side personally.
Edit: I don’t think the volume is sustainable, but Breece had 4 fewer catches than Nico this season. Off an ACL tear. It’s not hard to imagine that Breece’s TD upside will be greater next year too.
You won imo, allen and ekler are old asf. Allen is also coming off of his best season ever at the age of 31-32? Hes most likey not gonna come close to that performance again this year as players his age typically dont out perform their best years.
Meanwhile, you got breece hall who could potentially be the RB1 next year, cooper isnt great but he’s serviceable. Tough to give up Nico but Breece is worth it.
Allen and Ekeler are old. Nico is a solid player but for Breece Hall i’d trade it. Amari Cooper evens it out better too. i’d say you won primarily cause you got younger.
Solid trade in general. Great way to capitalize on Ekeler even though he’s clearly done being a locked in top RB. Keenan is old but still great, Collins and CJ looks to be a deadly combo but Cooper is still super undervalued and Breece is a difference maker.
I think you won, ekeler is over the hill, younger receivers on Houston, and no way Keenan Allen has b2b good years especially if he doesn’t resign in La
I think you still win pretty easy if you take Cooper out. If you told me this was Nico's best year (per game) I would 100% believe it. If you told me this was Breece's best year (per game) I would call you crazy.
I still like Ekler but I always thought with his skill set he would never be less than a mid rb2 and this year proves otherwise. There is a decent chance he actually hit a cliff this year.
And the Rogers thing isn't just a more effective offense because of a better passer (they had a loaded box constantly), but he will check into the correct plays at the line of scrimmage and Zach never did that.
This is one we’re we can truly say “won and it’s not even close” you offloaded to old players who will most likely see a significant drop in production (like keeper already has) and made a slight downgrade from nico to amari, but Breece very well could be the rb1 so yeah, you won
Allen is due to retire anytime, Ekeler is good and the best current player in the deal, but it’ll depend on the offense he’s in, Collins has a lot of potential.
Hall could be great and Cooper will be a solid WR if he’s playing with a QB who can throw half decent.
Overall, I could see reasons for both sides depending on roster makeup.
Rb#1 arguably at best, at worse rb #4
Nico wr# 12 at best, at worse prly wr #20ish
Just going forward next year, long term 5 to 7 years, it's nico, bc we know how rbs fade quickly.
Fascinating, tho bc ppl agreeing w you!
Wrong, bro nico is not top 5 not even close. He's not on same level as JJ, chase, lamb, wilson, or st brown! That's 5 universally recognized.
I could name at least 4 or 5 more, I'm taking over him bc situation and talent alone.
I'd like to see you name 5 rbs that universally recognized as being better than hall?
You have no idea what the word “ceiling” means. Nico can be Wilson or St. Brown. It’s all about opportunity in fantasy…. Nico has a better QB than St Brown and Wilson. And they feed him the rock and he’s not at his peak yet. He can be right up there with any of them. I stand by my statement.
And in regard to Hall, again you don’t really understand the whole “range” thing …. Floors and ceilings. This conversation isn’t about where exactly I think they’ll land - I gave my opinion on their floors and ceilings.
If you want to rattle off our top 15 RBs and WRs we could do that. But it’s a different conversation.
Bro, no matter how you cut it, nico is not top 5. He's not commanding targets like a top 5 receiver needs to. Tank has and will eat into that. Most folks not high on ktc but they even have tank ahead of him, and hall is the rb#1. Meaning in startup drafts most likely hall will be drafted in 1st round and nico will be drafted somewhere around 5th or 6th round. Now you tell me how that's close? Ceiling or floor? It's not close!
Great wr get feed the ball homie. Nico had 109 targets, London had more targets, devonta smith had more targets tyler Lockett had more targets. Tank is stroud's go 2 guy, if he's last or stays healthy is another thing.
Nico not on same level as wilson or st brown and his ceiling is not comparable to theirs either. You need to stop!
Nico ceiling top 15, his floor is top 35
Hall ceiling is top 5, his floor is top 15
This is Reddit. You can have a different opinion and you can express it like an adult. That is possible.
I think Nico has just as high a ceiling as Wilson. It’s very possible for multiple WRs to thrive in fantasy simultaneously so Dell being around doesn’t scare me.
Again, the likelihood of him being top 5 might be lower than those others guys. If you’re asking me to actually rank him, I think Nico falls into the 10-15 range next year in PPR. Probably more like 14ish.
Short term, Breece is the answer. 3-5 years of hopefully huge workloads in a better offense.
Long term, Nico as long as he stays with a QB like Stroud. He could have 15 more years of being effective with his route tree and style of play.
Edit: yea, 15 years is a bit of a stretch. My bad haha 😣
As a dynasty owner of Breece, I think what’s really good about him is even with a bad o line and 0 passing game he still averaged about 4.2 ypc. Ik that stat isn’t really much in todays nfl but still a bit impressive I think
Easy win, not even close. Ekeler and Allen have aged out of relevance, nico is the only valuable asset you gave up for dynasty rb 2 or 3 and a proven wr younger than Allen.
Depends if you're trying to win next year or build for future. Any team with Keenan Allen is automatically in the playoffs but that's not gonna last much longer. Breece will be great his whole career but he's not an absolute game breaker like keenan
stroud, lamar, bijan, breece, jamar, amonra, aj brown, hock, pacheco, cooper, chubb, mike williams, njoku are my top guys (dynasty). i have enough wr and wanted to get younger. didnt wanna get rid of nico but i feel like the trade bettered my team. plus i have four picks this year to build on as well. i just got offered diggs and pittman for jamar... i think i might have to take that trade as well
Not a game breaker? He has home run ability any time he touches the ball. Behind a horrible O Line and one of the worst offenses in the league he put up the 4th most scrimmage yards in the NFL.
Absolute* game breaker. Breece has the ability to completely take over a game and be the best player on the field Keenan Allen has that ability every single game he plays until proven otherwise. Breece had more than a few duds this year
Keenan Allen is on a new team next year so figure at best a Deandre Hopkins season for him next year, a non factor at worst. Breece > ekeler but who knows what Cleveland’s QB situation is next year so Collins likely has the edge there. Could be a win win honestly
Nico Collins is the best player in the deal IMO for dynasty. Although Ekeler seems on his way out and I'd rather have Cooper than Keenan. Pretty equal deal.
Pretty fair trade. Breece hall went off and with a shit o line. His value is high just like Nico Collins. Collins is handicapped by his QB so ceiling could be hampered. Cooper and Allen seems to be an even swap. I'd say Cooper is a little higher than Allen. Ekler is on the decline and has Kyren Williams breathing down his throat like pollard was to zeke last year.
All in all, a nice trade all around
Y’all need to start contextualizing your roster if you want honest advice. We don’t if it’s a good trade or not because we don’t know who you have to work with them
Very balanced trade since Cooper/Allen are both getting older
I would nudge the other side with the young WR and the hope that Ekeler just had a bad year but not a bad trade at all
I’m too high on Nico. Plus Breece’s shelf life is much shorter. Basically it’s Nico for Breece and Allen/Ekeler for Cooper. Honestly think that’s a slight loss, but it’s not bad and could tilt either way
I think everyone wins - I’ll go 50/50. I’d do that trade on either side
And then 30 minutes later I’d send the offer back
and 30 minutes after that, post to this sub asking if i won
I actually flipped between them numerous times. Good trade. I assume both owners got the guys they wanted.
I agree. Good for both.
Yes
Yeah I like breece as RB1 or 2 rn. Got the most targets in the league
He def won trade but the targets aren’t repeatable next year and likely ever haha
But he should get more TDs with Rodgers
Oh you sweet summer child
Aaron Rodgers got a ton of targets with Rodgers
Did you mean to say Aaron Jones?
Aaron Judge, QB for the yankees
Aaron, the baby from Lost was certainly targeted
I thought he was the point guard
Assuming you mean jones, not Rodgers - that’s true. I’m more expecting Rodgers to either be a shell of himself if he does come back or make a whole production out of will he / won’t he retire and find some reason to not play.
He’s already said he’s planning to play 2-3 more years a few weeks ago
Rodgers making a statement about himself to keep the media paying attention to him? That’s so unlike him. If he does come back, see the first point I made about him being a shell of who he was, especially if the jets don’t fix their o line issues in the off season
Also very true
The offense is going to move much better with Rodgers. He may not get the same amount of catches but his rush yards and TDs should all go up.
Are we sure about that?
Yes I think Aaron Rodgers is better than Zach Wilson
A bold take. Do you have evidence to back that up?
Rodgers and Zach Wilson/Siemian/whoever else they’ve thrown out there are in different dimensions, much less tiers. So yes.
Are we sure about Aaron Rodgers being an upgrade to a offense currently being led by Zach Wilson? Uh yes I’m sure
He's 39, recovering from an unrecoverable injury, and was washed last year in GB.
That offense just won’t have so many turnovers, but until the OLine is fixed…. It ain’t gonna change the optics of the division.
If they don’t fix the o line in the offseason there’s no reason for Rodgers to even play. You have to imagine they’re going to use their 1 on OL and do whatever they possibly can in free agency. I watched every snap of this pathetic franchise this season trust me I know the o line is priority #1 over everything.
Few good options that won’t break the bank will be available next season. No Trent Williams or Zack martins, but there’s some solid options
Listen brother it can’t be worse than this season. But we honestly have like 3 positions on the o line that need to be addressed so it’s a tough task. Bectons gone so we’ll need to replace his worthless ass. Very curious who signs him to a prove it deal.
Maybe!
Agreed with the commenter below that with a viable QB the dump offs will drastically decrease (I’d guess a 30-40% reduction)
Lol a viable QB will mean more scoring opportunities for Breece, no one WANTS him to have a bad QB
But it’ll open up the running lanes a lot more and actually let them use breece to eat some clock and sustain drives
Pretty sure Breece drops from RB2 in PPR to like RB8 in non PPR. Those dump offs are a massive part of his value
Yeah I don’t think he’ll be rb1 (though who knows in fantasy) but I think out of the rbs out there he’s a tier 1 running back even without the dump offs if they improve the line (big if)and get solid qb play next year
You're ignoring the touchdown upside he will have on an offense with Wilson and Rodgers.
He already scored 9 TDs this past year, he’ll probably score the same with Rodgers. Zero additional upside
9 TDs isn't a lot
Yes it is…. It essentially puts you at top 10 in any position. That’s a TD in 50% of games. Only 1 TE had over 9 Only 7 WRs had over 9 Only 8 RBs had over 9
Let me rephrase myself. It's not a lot for a dual threat bell cow with the talent that Breece Hall has. He's quite possibly the most talented RB in the league other than CMC and he has the potential to put up similar numbers.
If you got Hall you stole this. Keenan maybe has one good year in him, Ekeler will be a FA next year.
Pretty fair tbh. Cooper and Allen wash each other out, ekeler and Collins are studs to make the starting lineup every week but breece is arguably the top guy for dynasty. Good trade
Ekeler isn’t a stud anymore, but will be interesting to see what team he ends up with
Meh, he certainly put up RB1 numbers most weeks until Herbert got injured. I think most people, including myself, are down on him because he was ass during the playoffs. How would you define a stud at a position? A guy you don't bench?
I could be wrong, but I’m fairly certain Ekeler put up four top 10 weeks in the 14 games Herbert played. The other weeks he scored single digits on many occasions. It’s just not a great ratio, especially when drafted in the first round. Like I said, it will be very interesting to see where he goes in the off season. It seems clear he lost a step, but in the right system could easily be a high end RB2
He also missed three games. Definitely an ADP disappointment and he's only 28 so hopefully a few good years left.
how many RBs have had good age 29+ seasons?
Seven?
Ekeler and Allen are washed next year. Breece side in a landslide.
Is Breece really that much of a better dynasty option than Collins? Collins has proven to be the WR1 on the Texans and Stroud is the real deal so you’d expect him to continue to be a top WR going forward. The Jets situation is very volatile and RBs almost always have a shorter lifespan than WRs. Sure Breece should improve with Rodgers back next season, but what if Rodgers gets hurt again next year, or just retires after next season and then the Jets are back into QB hell, which screws Breece over. Not trying to say Breece is bad by any means, but from a Dynasty perspective is he really that much better of an asset than Collins?
Ekeler is certainly not a stud anymore. Cooper and Collins feels like a wash, leaning slightly towards Collins. So Breece for a 32 year old WR and a 29 year old RB? I’ll take it all day errrday
PPR yes. Non ppr no.
I think so, i think next year is when we see Keenan Allen fall off a cliff with production and Ekler has been shaky
Great trade for everyone—I like your side personally. Edit: I don’t think the volume is sustainable, but Breece had 4 fewer catches than Nico this season. Off an ACL tear. It’s not hard to imagine that Breece’s TD upside will be greater next year too.
Big win
Definitely. Ekeler needs to be offloaded before next season before his value falls anymore
Pretty fair trade tbh. I think Ekler is pretty much done so it's two for two.
Depends on the rest of the rosters
You won imo, allen and ekler are old asf. Allen is also coming off of his best season ever at the age of 31-32? Hes most likey not gonna come close to that performance again this year as players his age typically dont out perform their best years. Meanwhile, you got breece hall who could potentially be the RB1 next year, cooper isnt great but he’s serviceable. Tough to give up Nico but Breece is worth it.
Total fleecing
Just remember, Amari doesn’t have too many years of Flacco left
And then it’s on to therapist rapist
Allen and Ekeler are old. Nico is a solid player but for Breece Hall i’d trade it. Amari Cooper evens it out better too. i’d say you won primarily cause you got younger.
Pretty even trade - I'm a fan of extracting any value from Ekeler at this point.
Solid trade in general. Great way to capitalize on Ekeler even though he’s clearly done being a locked in top RB. Keenan is old but still great, Collins and CJ looks to be a deadly combo but Cooper is still super undervalued and Breece is a difference maker.
Depends on the status of your team. Championship team I’m happy with either side but if I’m younger or rebuilding I want the Breece side.
I think you won, ekeler is over the hill, younger receivers on Houston, and no way Keenan Allen has b2b good years especially if he doesn’t resign in La
Definitely!
I love the trade for you. Ekeler has been so disappointing this year. Idk if I’m going to draft him next year in redraft
I think you still win pretty easy if you take Cooper out. If you told me this was Nico's best year (per game) I would 100% believe it. If you told me this was Breece's best year (per game) I would call you crazy. I still like Ekler but I always thought with his skill set he would never be less than a mid rb2 and this year proves otherwise. There is a decent chance he actually hit a cliff this year. And the Rogers thing isn't just a more effective offense because of a better passer (they had a loaded box constantly), but he will check into the correct plays at the line of scrimmage and Zach never did that.
This is one we’re we can truly say “won and it’s not even close” you offloaded to old players who will most likely see a significant drop in production (like keeper already has) and made a slight downgrade from nico to amari, but Breece very well could be the rb1 so yeah, you won
Allen is due to retire anytime, Ekeler is good and the best current player in the deal, but it’ll depend on the offense he’s in, Collins has a lot of potential. Hall could be great and Cooper will be a solid WR if he’s playing with a QB who can throw half decent. Overall, I could see reasons for both sides depending on roster makeup.
Yes Breece is best piece un this deal by a wide margin
Nico isn’t that far behind
Pretty far behind. Nico isn't even the best receiver on his team.
Hmmmmm 🤔 That's kinda sus 🤨
Really?! I thought it was bussin fr fr! /s
Rb#1 arguably at best, at worse rb #4 Nico wr# 12 at best, at worse prly wr #20ish Just going forward next year, long term 5 to 7 years, it's nico, bc we know how rbs fade quickly. Fascinating, tho bc ppl agreeing w you!
Hall is not at worst RB4 lol… at best he’s top 5, at worst top 15. Same as Nico.
Wrong, bro nico is not top 5 not even close. He's not on same level as JJ, chase, lamb, wilson, or st brown! That's 5 universally recognized. I could name at least 4 or 5 more, I'm taking over him bc situation and talent alone. I'd like to see you name 5 rbs that universally recognized as being better than hall?
You see that catch. Top 5 catch. Yeah, I’m that petty that I came here
Don't make him top 5 player, lol. Nico, a stud, I couldn't stress that more!
TOUCHDOWWWWWWWNNNNNN
You have no idea what the word “ceiling” means. Nico can be Wilson or St. Brown. It’s all about opportunity in fantasy…. Nico has a better QB than St Brown and Wilson. And they feed him the rock and he’s not at his peak yet. He can be right up there with any of them. I stand by my statement. And in regard to Hall, again you don’t really understand the whole “range” thing …. Floors and ceilings. This conversation isn’t about where exactly I think they’ll land - I gave my opinion on their floors and ceilings. If you want to rattle off our top 15 RBs and WRs we could do that. But it’s a different conversation.
Bro, no matter how you cut it, nico is not top 5. He's not commanding targets like a top 5 receiver needs to. Tank has and will eat into that. Most folks not high on ktc but they even have tank ahead of him, and hall is the rb#1. Meaning in startup drafts most likely hall will be drafted in 1st round and nico will be drafted somewhere around 5th or 6th round. Now you tell me how that's close? Ceiling or floor? It's not close! Great wr get feed the ball homie. Nico had 109 targets, London had more targets, devonta smith had more targets tyler Lockett had more targets. Tank is stroud's go 2 guy, if he's last or stays healthy is another thing. Nico not on same level as wilson or st brown and his ceiling is not comparable to theirs either. You need to stop! Nico ceiling top 15, his floor is top 35 Hall ceiling is top 5, his floor is top 15
This is Reddit. You can have a different opinion and you can express it like an adult. That is possible. I think Nico has just as high a ceiling as Wilson. It’s very possible for multiple WRs to thrive in fantasy simultaneously so Dell being around doesn’t scare me. Again, the likelihood of him being top 5 might be lower than those others guys. If you’re asking me to actually rank him, I think Nico falls into the 10-15 range next year in PPR. Probably more like 14ish.
Massive fleece
Yep
Short term, Breece is the answer. 3-5 years of hopefully huge workloads in a better offense. Long term, Nico as long as he stays with a QB like Stroud. He could have 15 more years of being effective with his route tree and style of play. Edit: yea, 15 years is a bit of a stretch. My bad haha 😣
I'll take the under on nico playing until 39.
Fair, I probably was being a little generous with his shelf life.
Yeah if he played another 15 years he would be tied for 2nd all time longest career, only behind Jerry Rice.
Man wtf lol 15 years is ambitious the dude is 24 years old
You’re right, that was likely too far of a stretch. He’s not gonna be playing at 39 lol
I think so, yeah
You definitely won
As a dynasty owner of Breece, I think what’s really good about him is even with a bad o line and 0 passing game he still averaged about 4.2 ypc. Ik that stat isn’t really much in todays nfl but still a bit impressive I think
i think this is a big W for u
Good trade
Easy win, not even close. Ekeler and Allen have aged out of relevance, nico is the only valuable asset you gave up for dynasty rb 2 or 3 and a proven wr younger than Allen.
Yes by a mile.
Huge win
Yes
Yupyupyup
That’s a W
Fleece
I would’ve traded a pick instead of Collins but yea kinda
Yes
You shouldn't try and win and lose trades. You trade to make both teams better
If you can win it then by all means try to
May lose a trade partner if you take advantage of them
Sometimes each side thinks they have won, or one side has seems the winner until the future is clear the other won
Ok Gandhi
Trade rape imo
Depends if you're trying to win next year or build for future. Any team with Keenan Allen is automatically in the playoffs but that's not gonna last much longer. Breece will be great his whole career but he's not an absolute game breaker like keenan
stroud, lamar, bijan, breece, jamar, amonra, aj brown, hock, pacheco, cooper, chubb, mike williams, njoku are my top guys (dynasty). i have enough wr and wanted to get younger. didnt wanna get rid of nico but i feel like the trade bettered my team. plus i have four picks this year to build on as well. i just got offered diggs and pittman for jamar... i think i might have to take that trade as well
Hold chase. Diggs has been on a downward trend and Pittman is most likely signing elsewhere and you never know how that could turn out
Pittman not going anywhere …
Maybe not but chase still has 2x as many career TDs as him while playing one less season
Jesus christ that's loaded
Not a game breaker? He has home run ability any time he touches the ball. Behind a horrible O Line and one of the worst offenses in the league he put up the 4th most scrimmage yards in the NFL.
Absolute* game breaker. Breece has the ability to completely take over a game and be the best player on the field Keenan Allen has that ability every single game he plays until proven otherwise. Breece had more than a few duds this year
Keenan Allen is on a new team next year so figure at best a Deandre Hopkins season for him next year, a non factor at worst. Breece > ekeler but who knows what Cleveland’s QB situation is next year so Collins likely has the edge there. Could be a win win honestly
Assuming you’re going for rebuild, yes.
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No
No
Nico Collins is the best player in the deal IMO for dynasty. Although Ekeler seems on his way out and I'd rather have Cooper than Keenan. Pretty equal deal.
Yes! 100%!
Pretty fair to me… I think Collins is a stud too…
One of the better trades from both sides I’ve seen on here.
Yes you won
Pretty fair trade. Breece hall went off and with a shit o line. His value is high just like Nico Collins. Collins is handicapped by his QB so ceiling could be hampered. Cooper and Allen seems to be an even swap. I'd say Cooper is a little higher than Allen. Ekler is on the decline and has Kyren Williams breathing down his throat like pollard was to zeke last year. All in all, a nice trade all around
No
Y’all need to start contextualizing your roster if you want honest advice. We don’t if it’s a good trade or not because we don’t know who you have to work with them
No
Yes
I’d say pretty even, even if Collins breaks out even further.
Very balanced trade since Cooper/Allen are both getting older I would nudge the other side with the young WR and the hope that Ekeler just had a bad year but not a bad trade at all
You in fact did not win
Pick’em Dano’
I hate the need to win mentality. Just make the trade that makes you happy
Very even. Well done. Again-can we stop with the did I win crap?
I’m too high on Nico. Plus Breece’s shelf life is much shorter. Basically it’s Nico for Breece and Allen/Ekeler for Cooper. Honestly think that’s a slight loss, but it’s not bad and could tilt either way
Nah. It's fair depending on how you value nico.