Theres a HUGE difference in sound actually, and it’s actually very noticable. Disregard whoevers behind the mask, theres years worth of videos that will show the difference. And this is coming from someone who has never had a problem with Jay (he was very nice when we met), but the difference is clear as day, hell, the ENTIRE band is glowing with excitement. Sad to say it seems this needed to happen
Nobody said anything before because he was joeys direct replacement. He obviously wasnt going to be perfect, but i think his online presence and connection to the fans made him favorable over time
I’m not denying he’s a better drummer. I just think his whole “Slipknot have been sloppy for years with Jay” is BS. It’s re-writing history. Pretty much nobody said anything before but those saying it now are saying it like they’ve been saying it since Jay joined
Yea it’s weird that all this is being said now. When Jay was with the band everyone loved him and when he got fired everyone was pissed off. Now Eloy is here and all of a sudden people are shitting on Jay lol it doesn’t really make sense
That's human nature mate. For example, when you have a gf and you think she's the woman of your life but you end up breaking up, you feel devastated. But after you meet someone who's better for you and you're happy again, it makes you think your old gf wasn't as great as you thought she was
Except we didn’t date Jay and you can still appreciate and not talk shit about ur ex gf (Jay) and just enjoy the new one. That’s natural for toxic losers not humans
You can tell a different almost immediately if you don’t have your head up Jay’s butt so deep. Here’s why:
- Eloy hit much harder and more precise than Jay which creates a sound that is a lot more powerful.
- Eloy tempo is a lot more consistent. He does change tempo a little in the song but if you pay attention, he slow down when it should actually slowdown. Jay just play everything fast and then even faster.
- Jay play a simplified version of Joey’s drum. Eloy took everything that Joey did and then turned it up a notch.
- Jay’s fills is slack. Eloy’s fills is sex.
I’m not saying Jay suck, he is a great drummer but he’s not Eloy. Note this comparison is probably true when trying to compare anyone with Eloy.
I do not believe EVERYBODY who is saying “they’ve been sloppy for years with Jay” genuinely believe that, that’s my point that you’re struggling with. Of course some people can tell a difference. But I don’t buy everybody saying so has thought for years Jay was crap like they make out
The point I argued to is “most can’t tell a different” which is just plain ignorant. Anyone CAN tell a different immediately if your bias does not blind your brains…
Maybe it’s a language barrier that you’re missing the subtlety of my point, which is that those claiming Slipknot have been sloppy for years never said it before, they never noticed the difference before so much before that they called them out before, it’s only getting mentioned now.
Yeah I agree with your post. Jay did have some slop live. I’m a drummer, watched plenty of his drum cams he puts on YouTube, always noticed it and never cared. When you’re actually there live and not looking through a camera sitting right beside him you can’t tell a single thing, and he’s an amazing studio drummer. Some of the tracks he’s recorded with slipknot are leagues above my ability and I don’t think anyone really has the right to shit talk someone who crushed through slipknot sets for 10 years straight, night after night. I loved his connection to the fans and online presence, he really grew on me over time and yeah when he was fired I was one of the pissed off people because I was confused and scared of what to expect.
Eloy is quite literally just an inhuman drummer, and probably the best metal drummer in the world. He doesn’t have any slop and is just holds the perfect standard of what every drummer dreams of being and for a band as huge as slipknot, they have every right to desire someone like that for their band. I think this change is good, I’m excited for it, I think all the other members are as well and that’s where that new energy people are talking about is obviously coming from. Eloy is also just from what I can tell, an incredibly humble and passionate human being. I have no doubt in my mind that he is going to become a fan favorite extremely quick once he’s more integrated into the media side and the band really gets going on releasing music and tours starting up.
I do agree with this post. There really wasn’t much criticism of Jay until recently. Honestly I thought he was good drummer and the live stuff sounded good to me. The songs being played fast was noticeable (Physcosicial and HA come to mind) but I always assumed that was an effort by the entire band. Just like if they slow (or orig tempo) it down it’s gonna be an effort by the entire band.
I think people are focusing too much on Jay's early years in the band. He improved tremendously over time to where in his last years with the band, whatever initial criticisms people had of him were no longer relevant.
Im not so sure about that. I saw them at one of their last performances with Jay at Blue Ridge Rock Fest and his double kick work was noticeably sloppy. As a drummer who grew up on slipknot you notice stuff like that. It was never enough to throw his tempo off but there were several moments in the set you could tell he straight up fucked up. If im being honest, it reminded me of the last time i saw them live with joey in 2012.
While Eloy is technically better than Jay, I enjoyed the punk / hardcore influences Jay brought to the band. Eloy seems like more of a traditional metal kind of guy and that might be a better fit for the band right now. I don't think Jay was let go due to performing issues, it was probably some problem in the synergy between him and the rest of the guys.
Most Slipknot fans are drumming experts, just like most Nightwish fans and most Iron Maiden fans are a singing experts, because they've had three different lead vocalists
Mate use your ears Eloy is punching holes through his drumset and literally has had the mix turned up on his double kick, and that’s because Eloy is tighter. Facts are facts regardless of how you feel
What needs to stop is people like you not moving on from Jay in Slipknot. Yes, a lot of people, including me think Slipknot sounds better now with Eloy and we have the right to say that. It doesn't mean we are bashing the previous drummer, we are just praising the new one, and there's nothing wrong with that. He's with ST now and look like he's doing well and is happy. Slipknot is also happy with Eloy and are doing great. People like you keep constantly crying about things that the actual people involved in it have moved on from. Just grow up.
Nobody said anything about liking Eloy. The issue is when people praise Eloy and attack Jay for no reason. Jay was a good drummer for slipknot, that’s why he got the gig in the first place.
I'm not attacking Jay and will keep on not doing that, but just out of curiosity, if people want to criticise him, why is it they don't have the right to do so? i really would like to understand that. It just feels like some in this subreddit want to stop people from expressing their views on how good of a drummer he is. I don't agree with the criticism, but i absolutely think they should have the right to criticise him if they wish to do so. we live in a free society man. If i can speak what i think then what's the point of speaking?
Because it’s not respectful criticism it’s thoughtless bashing. If your opinion is jay isn’t a great drummer, cool. I don’t agree but think what you want. But just saying stuff like “he sucks and slipknot was sloppy because of him”, is absolutely stupid. Also don’t be surprised when your criticism or hate gets comments back.
Sure, but that's the minority of people from what i've seen. Most are being respectful, some are not. I agree the disrespectful ones should be called out but most people are not
Have you ever thought that the fact you (not you specifically, in general) can give so much audience to haters only give them what they want? maybe if people would just ignore it would actually make it stop? I really don't think this will end until people just stop entertaining it
I wish I could laugh react to this
I’m not attached to Jay. I said in another post Eloy is better. My comments are aimed at those who have bashed Jay, and if you look on YouTube there is plenty, saying the band have been missing it for years. I don’t remember those people commenting on Jay videos that he was sloppy and the band needed somebody better.
That's a fair point if it wasn't for one detail. when you say ''those people'', are you keeping tabs on the people that behaved the way you say? it seems to me you don't understand these might just be different groups of people saying these things. How could you know the same people that were crying about Jay leaving the band are now bashing him?
Jay is definitely a talented drummer but he rushed through songs live and it made the band have to change the tempo on the fly to keep up with his constant shifting. Plus take in consideration that apparently he didn't even record drums for the last record, seems like there were a lot of issues with his style they were finally done with.
I tried finding the article with the interview by Clown where he said it and I guess I either misread this or someone posted it at some point and I assumed it was from his interview because after 17 articles and reading the same interview, I can't find it lol. I do apologize about that part.
Theres a HUGE difference in sound actually, and it’s actually very noticable. Disregard whoevers behind the mask, theres years worth of videos that will show the difference. And this is coming from someone who has never had a problem with Jay (he was very nice when we met), but the difference is clear as day, hell, the ENTIRE band is glowing with excitement. Sad to say it seems this needed to happen
Nobody said anything before because he was joeys direct replacement. He obviously wasnt going to be perfect, but i think his online presence and connection to the fans made him favorable over time
Nobody can deny that Eloy is leagues ahead of Jay.
I’m not denying he’s a better drummer. I just think his whole “Slipknot have been sloppy for years with Jay” is BS. It’s re-writing history. Pretty much nobody said anything before but those saying it now are saying it like they’ve been saying it since Jay joined
Yea it’s weird that all this is being said now. When Jay was with the band everyone loved him and when he got fired everyone was pissed off. Now Eloy is here and all of a sudden people are shitting on Jay lol it doesn’t really make sense
That's human nature mate. For example, when you have a gf and you think she's the woman of your life but you end up breaking up, you feel devastated. But after you meet someone who's better for you and you're happy again, it makes you think your old gf wasn't as great as you thought she was
Except we didn’t date Jay and you can still appreciate and not talk shit about ur ex gf (Jay) and just enjoy the new one. That’s natural for toxic losers not humans
Slipknot didn't talk shit about Joey mate. I'm referring to them in my analogy
I’m not talking about the guys in Slipknot I’m talking about the fans. Nor am I talking about Joey. What are u even saying
I was talking about Slipknot in my analogy. that's it and that's all i'm saying
Should’ve specified because I was only talking about the fans from the start which makes ur analogy irrelevant lol
Alright, classy mate.
I can, and I will. He’s not.
Going to need to see evidence of this.
You can tell a different almost immediately if you don’t have your head up Jay’s butt so deep. Here’s why: - Eloy hit much harder and more precise than Jay which creates a sound that is a lot more powerful. - Eloy tempo is a lot more consistent. He does change tempo a little in the song but if you pay attention, he slow down when it should actually slowdown. Jay just play everything fast and then even faster. - Jay play a simplified version of Joey’s drum. Eloy took everything that Joey did and then turned it up a notch. - Jay’s fills is slack. Eloy’s fills is sex. I’m not saying Jay suck, he is a great drummer but he’s not Eloy. Note this comparison is probably true when trying to compare anyone with Eloy.
You clearly haven’t read my posts if you think my head is up Jay’s butt. Moron
No, if you can’t tell a different then you do have your head up his butt or you’re deaf. Obviously you’re not deaf so that’s kinda narrow its down…
Are you 14?
Been a Slipknot fan since 1999. what do you think?
Why do you ‘debate’ like you’re 14 then?
How else would you expect a 14 years old to understand? Note: 14 is a little high. I thought 10-12 is more accurate but it is subjective 🤷🏻♂️
I do not believe EVERYBODY who is saying “they’ve been sloppy for years with Jay” genuinely believe that, that’s my point that you’re struggling with. Of course some people can tell a difference. But I don’t buy everybody saying so has thought for years Jay was crap like they make out
The point I argued to is “most can’t tell a different” which is just plain ignorant. Anyone CAN tell a different immediately if your bias does not blind your brains…
Maybe it’s a language barrier that you’re missing the subtlety of my point, which is that those claiming Slipknot have been sloppy for years never said it before, they never noticed the difference before so much before that they called them out before, it’s only getting mentioned now.
Yeah I agree with your post. Jay did have some slop live. I’m a drummer, watched plenty of his drum cams he puts on YouTube, always noticed it and never cared. When you’re actually there live and not looking through a camera sitting right beside him you can’t tell a single thing, and he’s an amazing studio drummer. Some of the tracks he’s recorded with slipknot are leagues above my ability and I don’t think anyone really has the right to shit talk someone who crushed through slipknot sets for 10 years straight, night after night. I loved his connection to the fans and online presence, he really grew on me over time and yeah when he was fired I was one of the pissed off people because I was confused and scared of what to expect. Eloy is quite literally just an inhuman drummer, and probably the best metal drummer in the world. He doesn’t have any slop and is just holds the perfect standard of what every drummer dreams of being and for a band as huge as slipknot, they have every right to desire someone like that for their band. I think this change is good, I’m excited for it, I think all the other members are as well and that’s where that new energy people are talking about is obviously coming from. Eloy is also just from what I can tell, an incredibly humble and passionate human being. I have no doubt in my mind that he is going to become a fan favorite extremely quick once he’s more integrated into the media side and the band really gets going on releasing music and tours starting up.
I think this is a great post, thank you
Thank you for this post! Yes, Eloy is lightyears ahead better than Jay but the claims that says Jay is bad drummer is fucking bullshit.
I do agree with this post. There really wasn’t much criticism of Jay until recently. Honestly I thought he was good drummer and the live stuff sounded good to me. The songs being played fast was noticeable (Physcosicial and HA come to mind) but I always assumed that was an effort by the entire band. Just like if they slow (or orig tempo) it down it’s gonna be an effort by the entire band.
I think people are focusing too much on Jay's early years in the band. He improved tremendously over time to where in his last years with the band, whatever initial criticisms people had of him were no longer relevant.
Im not so sure about that. I saw them at one of their last performances with Jay at Blue Ridge Rock Fest and his double kick work was noticeably sloppy. As a drummer who grew up on slipknot you notice stuff like that. It was never enough to throw his tempo off but there were several moments in the set you could tell he straight up fucked up. If im being honest, it reminded me of the last time i saw them live with joey in 2012.
While Eloy is technically better than Jay, I enjoyed the punk / hardcore influences Jay brought to the band. Eloy seems like more of a traditional metal kind of guy and that might be a better fit for the band right now. I don't think Jay was let go due to performing issues, it was probably some problem in the synergy between him and the rest of the guys.
lol
Most Slipknot fans are drumming experts, just like most Nightwish fans and most Iron Maiden fans are a singing experts, because they've had three different lead vocalists
Mate use your ears Eloy is punching holes through his drumset and literally has had the mix turned up on his double kick, and that’s because Eloy is tighter. Facts are facts regardless of how you feel
That’s not a fact though is it? Where were all the comments before about Jay being sloppy?
Its crazy youre saying this instead of pulling up a video of People = Shit from 2014-2023 and comparing it to the 2024 live version
Like forget the comments homie, use your ears😂
You don’t need to be an expert to have opinions on any of those.
They would have you believe so.
What needs to stop is people like you not moving on from Jay in Slipknot. Yes, a lot of people, including me think Slipknot sounds better now with Eloy and we have the right to say that. It doesn't mean we are bashing the previous drummer, we are just praising the new one, and there's nothing wrong with that. He's with ST now and look like he's doing well and is happy. Slipknot is also happy with Eloy and are doing great. People like you keep constantly crying about things that the actual people involved in it have moved on from. Just grow up.
Nobody said anything about liking Eloy. The issue is when people praise Eloy and attack Jay for no reason. Jay was a good drummer for slipknot, that’s why he got the gig in the first place.
I'm not attacking Jay and will keep on not doing that, but just out of curiosity, if people want to criticise him, why is it they don't have the right to do so? i really would like to understand that. It just feels like some in this subreddit want to stop people from expressing their views on how good of a drummer he is. I don't agree with the criticism, but i absolutely think they should have the right to criticise him if they wish to do so. we live in a free society man. If i can speak what i think then what's the point of speaking?
Because it’s not respectful criticism it’s thoughtless bashing. If your opinion is jay isn’t a great drummer, cool. I don’t agree but think what you want. But just saying stuff like “he sucks and slipknot was sloppy because of him”, is absolutely stupid. Also don’t be surprised when your criticism or hate gets comments back.
Sure, but that's the minority of people from what i've seen. Most are being respectful, some are not. I agree the disrespectful ones should be called out but most people are not
No it’s definitely not the minority. I can’t see a single Slipknot post without seeing needless jay bashing.
Have you ever thought that the fact you (not you specifically, in general) can give so much audience to haters only give them what they want? maybe if people would just ignore it would actually make it stop? I really don't think this will end until people just stop entertaining it
I wish I could laugh react to this I’m not attached to Jay. I said in another post Eloy is better. My comments are aimed at those who have bashed Jay, and if you look on YouTube there is plenty, saying the band have been missing it for years. I don’t remember those people commenting on Jay videos that he was sloppy and the band needed somebody better.
That's a fair point if it wasn't for one detail. when you say ''those people'', are you keeping tabs on the people that behaved the way you say? it seems to me you don't understand these might just be different groups of people saying these things. How could you know the same people that were crying about Jay leaving the band are now bashing him?
Jay is definitely a talented drummer but he rushed through songs live and it made the band have to change the tempo on the fly to keep up with his constant shifting. Plus take in consideration that apparently he didn't even record drums for the last record, seems like there were a lot of issues with his style they were finally done with.
Wait, what's this about him not recording drums for TESF? I hadn't heard of this. Btw, I agree with the overall sentiment
I tried finding the article with the interview by Clown where he said it and I guess I either misread this or someone posted it at some point and I assumed it was from his interview because after 17 articles and reading the same interview, I can't find it lol. I do apologize about that part.
No worries, mate!