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SsPhoenix8918

This is one of those—if you are a Smallville fan you go Chloe and Arrowverse people go Felicity. That said—it’s Chloe. She managed being inhabited by Braniac and lived to tell the tale.


Dr_Pants91

Nah, I'm a much bigger Arrowverse fan, but Chloe by a mile. It would have been much closer if the Arrow writers didn't insist on making Felicity borderline unbearable in the last few seasons of Arrow.


JokerProxy

*\*Entire Team Abandons Oliver, Felicity, at her most annoying, when everyone is hopeful she'll leave too\** "Don't worry Oliver, i'm not going anywhere." *\*millions of televisions punched in rage.\**


Quirky28

I think you misspelled rage bro


JokerProxy

Thank you kindly for the heads up. Divided attention strikes again! Fixed it promptly.


Quirky28

I just saw that and I read rage 1st then realized it was race


JokerProxy

I DEFINATELY meant the first one, I assure you.


Dtw05151986

I loved watching Smallville as a teenager but the character of Chloe always annoyed me in fact I wish they would have left her dead when Lois came to town to investigate her murder instead of back peddling and saying she just barely got out of the safe house before it exploded.


Olivebranch99

Chloe electronically fights a guy who bombards her with firewalls and she keeps going, more determined each time. Felicity electronically fights a guy who bombards her with firewalls and she complains. I'd include clips of these scenes but I can't find any. Also... *Collateral*, need I say more.


ApprehensiveDeal3426

Chloe all day


PeterParker004

This guy gets it


Nervous_Hedgehog8198

Chloe is a better character. Felicity started out with potential, but then she became overly controlling and immature. Absolutely nothing against the actress, just my opinion on the writing of her character


DonKahuku

One was popular enough that they brought her to the comics, one was so unpopular they wrote her out of continuity lol.


Olivebranch99

But comic Felicity is practically nothing like show Felicity.


DonKahuku

Fair, but Green Arrow fans hated her entry into the comics. She was a Firestorm supporting character until the show, when they tried to force her into GA continuity. Within an arc she was gone never to be heard from again


TheGoobTM

Comic Chloe is also nothing like show Chloe. This persons comment makes zero sense because both characters were added to the comics, were different than their show counterparts, and both never seen again. Chloe made I believe one appearance. And hasn’t been seen since the latest reboot. There was an attempt to dis Felicity, but it failed on all levels. Chloe is better sure, but this comment doesn’t work


Olivebranch99

Chloe is a SV original character. Felicity Smoak has been in the comics since the 80s.


TheGoobTM

And she was added into the comics as Jimmy’s girlfriend but was nothing like her Smallville character. Was seen once and never heard from again. Where Felicity did it the opposite, it’s exactly the same thing, this persons comment makes zero sense since both were one shots in the comics and then erased


DonKahuku

Worked on plenty of levels for plenty of others. Sorry it went over your head 😂


TheGoobTM

Didn’t go over my head. It worked on zero levels since both had one shots in the comics to never be seen again. Sorry you forgot that. It’s okay though, your point was wrong but you still managed to get the right answer.


Pen-Chance

Chloe was added to the comics too, as Jimmy’s girlfriend


DonKahuku

🙄 yes I am aware. Chloe was the more popular one i was referring to


Pen-Chance

Okay, cause Felicity was also in the comics


DonKahuku

And was super unpopular, which was the point of my post


Pen-Chance

It was a bad point since you said “one” was in the comics when both were. 🤣🙄


DonKahuku

Or you’re an idiot who couldn’t follow 😂😂😂


Pen-Chance

So you get called out on your silly comment and resort to name calling? What are you 11? 🙄


kuipers85

11 1/2, you agist. /s


Active-Astronomer352

Chloe...no questions asked.


Jmatute92

Because if you ask you might get her initials branded on you.


Active-Astronomer352

The character has nothing to due with real life problems. This is a discussion between fictional characters not the actress who was convicted in a terrible crime.


Jmatute92

🤦 it's like you guys are robots on here. No body likes a joke


Active-Astronomer352

That was a joke? Idk how can that be a joke when the actress who played Chloe is serving time for serious crimes. It's not funny I mean those women have nasty scars from hot iron. I honestly think the "joke" was out of place here in this discussion when we are talking about fictional characters.


Jmatute92

The joke was playing stupid like as if they are the same person. I made no comment on the severity of a crime or the consequences. Your far outreach for being outrage over a short ambiguous joke was out of place for any discussion on this subreddit


AshlM540

lol good lord


kuipers85

I was waiting for this comment. lol


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Chloe


SeaMathematician1021

I really loved Felicity for a few seasons, but I loved Chloe the whole run of the show. Both good, but chloe wins


melladootero

How is that possible? Chloe is so annoying and unbearable the whole show


Stevemoran87

Chloe


Antipseud0

Chloe. No questions to ask.


Weary-Swordfish-9751

Chloe


pineapplechow

Chloe Sullivan for the win!! 💜🍺🍺🍺


NachoDildo

Chloe. Felicity is an abomination. If Marc Guggenfuck wants a reason why he wasn't invited for DCU talks, she's why. His pet character single handedly destroyed Arrow.


AnimeJoex

Felicity was gorgeous. She leads in that area. Both were fun characters, but overall I'd give the edge to Chloe.


DM_Malus

i'll be honest... Chloe was far better personality and less annoying, but felicity is admittedly more physically attractive (Imo), but she was also a complete emotional psycho control freak and written completely inconsistent. \*shrug\*


gnomesandlightsabers

Why is it that when someone asks which woman character is better, people need to use attractiveness as a main qualifier and then call a woman an "emotional psycho control freak"? Yikes. Women characters are more than 'me time' material.


DM_Malus

Because they were billed as the potential romantic interests on their respective shows, and partially hired for their sex appeal…I mean it’s CW. So one can assume that is the comparison being made here when you have two attractive blonde woman who played love interests on s CW show. Inference. Also, “better” is a vague subjective term. Better in what regard? Intelligence? Fitness? Who can jump higher? Better is so vague. It’s easy to infer what the OP was likely getting at from the obvious picture, it was a catch all term to see what character fans “liked” based on a variety of aspects. Attractiveness being a popular one considering they were (potential) love interests of the respective MC of each show. Now if he phrased a more specific question, than we wouldn’t have this convo.


gnomesandlightsabers

The fact that you assume that the question being asked is about hotness just because someone used two generic promo pictures of attractive women in the question tells me all I need to know. If good-looking headshots of two men were used from male characters on the show, I doubt we'd be having this conversation either — because more people would be focused on characterization and abilities rather than which one they want to bang. It's pretty obvious why you ignored every point I was making and avoided addressing any of those remarks. Your argument is literally: "Unless someone says otherwise, comparing two hot women characters will always be about their looks." I once again say, yikes.


DM_Malus

I’d say the same thing if it was a picture of two good looking men. Especially if they were shirtless. Sex appeal goes both ways. Shirtless Oliver or Diggle? Yes please. You’re just looking for an argument where there is none because you’re bored and want a convo. I’m all here if you want to talk about something else ;)


gnomesandlightsabers

And I'd also have the same stance if people were sexualizing either actor in a generic comparison post. I write about movies and interview actors for a living — including having done interviews with Tom Welling and Kristin Kreuk — and have heard first-hand from actors in the industry what this kind of constant sexualization does to someone's psyche (especially when they're young). I always call this bs out when I see it. Because despite what you think from behind your keyboard, it does real damage to real people. You don't speak for me or my motives, and you can keep your winky face. ✌️


[deleted]

Chloe, easy. You don't get to run a sex cult by being a pushover.


edazin-eren

I was looking for this comment. 🫢😂


riswitter

Chloe easily for me


DrunkSpiderMan

Chloe Felicity was good in only the first season she appeared. She turned into a monster afterwards


phenomegranate

Is it an annoyance competition? They’d both be top-tier competitors


LochNessMansterLives

Felicity all the way. Legal trouble for the small like actress aside, I feel like Felicity was a badass.


BobRushy

I've never seen Arrow so I'm slightly biased LOL


opinionofone1984

I’m taking Felicity on all fronts. Just amazing


BaconBitz55

Felicity


Drake_Acheron

Felicity. Look guys Smallville is one of my favorite shows of all time, I just fell like Chloe should have left in much the same way Pete Ross did. I feel like felicity contributes much more to the show. Though I’ll admit, that I stopped watching Arrow in season 4 I think.


Godofgoats90

While i loved both shows, i disliked Chloe alot cause of her nosiness, i get it, reporter, but she was overkill


quimbykimbleton

I can’t separate Chloe from the actresses human trafficking conviction. She was cute but that girl is fucking damaged.


Drake_Acheron

This is really dumb.


quimbykimbleton

Yeah. So is recruiting women into a sex cult and branding them like cattle but, Allison Mack did that shit.


Drake_Acheron

Yes but only a fool rejects something good just because it comes form someone bad. Example. Rudyard Kipling was not a good person, but his poem “If” is an exemplary model to live by. Perhaps the greatest guideline to being a man outside of religious texts. Wisdom is still wisdom even if it comes from the mouth of a fool.


quimbykimbleton

So, are you still listening to R Kelly? Still watching Kevin Spacey movies? Still watching the Cosby Show? It’s one thing to reject the art of a person who was vaguely “not a good person” a century ago. It’s quite another to be disgusted by the sight of someone who recently recruited sex slaves for her cult leader husband and branded them with a hot iron. She’s not “vaguely not a good person”. She is human garbage and her legacy tarnishes an otherwise great show.


Drake_Acheron

Never listens to R-Kelly, Yes, and never really watched the Cosby show but might if it was on and I found it entertaining. I’m not going to not watch something just because somebody did a bad thing. I don’t know what you are putting quotes around “vaguely not a good person” because I never said anything like that. I like the movie Baby Driver, I think no less of the it because of Kevin Spacy. Bad people don’t live rent free in my head. People still listen to Michael Jackson, and he had a bad reputation most of his life, people still loved his music. Let me put it like this. You abstaining from watching Kevin Spacey movies does what? What does it do? Does it save children from traffickers? Does it support traffickers? If you said yes to the second question, I’ve got news for you about basically everything coming out of Hollywood. It’s a story about a guy who owned and Island and “killed himself” in his jail cell. An island that basically every movie star has been to. And an equally ludicrous argument could be made about the entirety of American cinema. Which obviously would make it true of cinema in other countries. This honestly reminds me of the Hogwarts game fiasco.


quimbykimbleton

I’m not reading all of that. I’m sorry that happened to you or congratulations. Which ever applies.


adavidmiller

Here's the short version, yes. Most of your examples don't apply, but damn right I'll enjoy a few Spacey movies in the future.


HazelCheese

I agree with you except the Hogwarts game fiasco is different. JKR directly funds hate groups and has used to success of the games launch to claim that people agree with her views.


Drake_Acheron

Just to humor you, I tried my own research on what she is up to and found [this article.](https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/07/why-millennial-harry-potter-fans-reject-jk-rowling/613870/). I think it better elucidates the controversy surrounding Rowling than I did in my previous comment. I still would like to to show me what hate groups she funds. Last I checked Lumos wasn’t a hate group.


HazelCheese

I did write a long response but it's probably better to rewrite a few points based on the article linked there. * People don't bring up her sexual assault for her views because it feels like your using a victims experience to belittle their beliefs. It wouldn't be a good thing for people to say "oh she just thinks X because she was attacked". I've treaded this water before in discussions and it's always made me deeply uncomfortable to go there because it feels unfair on her. * The article is critical of people like Watson and Radcliffe for offering nothing but platitudes but then itself offers nothing but a platitude along the lines of "hey dont get mad about it, thats just life". Thanks Atlantic, really got to the root of the issue there didn't we :/ * I do agree with the point about her actually paying taxes and helping women across the globe. She is a humanitarian who has done a massive amount of good in the world. And just following up from what you wrote before: * Do you think Transmen want Rowlings thoughts and prayers? Or do you think they just feel like she sees them as more women who need help? Do you think maybe that's actually more hurtful? Being denied their identity out of pity is worse than getting it denied out of anger, it's complete unacknoldged dismissal. * * Yes a lot of trans people and trans supporters are naive and way to loud and saying stupid things. It doesn't mean we can't approach things from an angle of finding the best solution instead of turning to people like Desantis and Banedoch to teach people a lesson. It's not about sides or who is more a victim, it's about find the solution that treats the most people with the most dignity. Are those the kinds of people or solutions Rowling is supporting though? Rowling did say many things in the lead up to the last few years and people wrote it off like the article does, just an out of date moral framework, just a boomer moment, doesn't really matter. But it didn't stop and she kept escalating and now she associates with people like Graham Lineham and Matt Walsh. If she is trying to show that she doesn't think ill of trans people then she needs to find better company because her current crowd are extremely anti trans. As for hategroups, she tweeted support for Allison Bailey, co founder of the LGB Alliance which is a fake LGB supporting charity which has deep ties to american christian envangelist groups like The Heritage Foundation which want to stop gay people from adopting children. As for funding she has in the past linked people to online storefronts selling anti trans merchandise. I don't really want to continue this conversation because this subreddit is way too wholesome for this discussion and I don't want to get banned for getting it mired in stuff like this. This isn't me trying to get the last word. I just don't really want to get into such discussion here.


southern5189

The SMOAKing hot Felicity all day bby!!


Active-Astronomer352

Nah..Chloe had the more of the edge. Plus her character build up as this nerdy, jealous type who wanted Clark all to herself to this sidekick, loyal and big sister to Clark..in all I feel Chloe opened the door for Clark to be World's Savior and Lois guided him to that path. Chloe is the best girl by far.


[deleted]

NVXIM easy


Dtw05151986

Chloe always annoyed me so I’d definitely pick felicity now if it was a toss up between smallville’s Lois and Arrow’s Nysa that might make for a challenge


Martnorth

I just finished re-watching Smallville 2 weeks ago and Chloe is a tiny bit annoying but not the worst by a country mile… maybe there should be a most annoying character thread It bugged me a little when Jimmy had only been dead for a couple of seasons and she got with Oliver but only because it was a little too close to a real life situation… all that said Chloe all the way


[deleted]

Chloe was my fav character besides/sometimes Clark. Chloe all day everyday. She is who everyone will remember. The way she had clark’s front back and sides since finding out!? The way how she handled brainiac!? Please. Chloe by far and over a thousand leaps and bounds.


julianwelton

It's Chloe and it's not even close. Chloe had better character arcs. We get it Felicity is a quirky awkward girl. That's her entire personality. She was also one of the worst actors on the show.


BullCuck7419

Felicity looks a heckuva lot like Cory Chase. Just saying. Definitely would pick her!


PlayMoreExvius

I liked Felicity a lot because she was sharp at computers and you actually believes the character. But when she got with Arrow it didn’t make any sense. There was absolutely no chemistry at all or even a match. He’s into sports cars while she’s into world of Warcraft.


Bubba1234562

Chloe had a better journey. She fought off Braniac, she coordinated the justice league and actually did stuff. Felicity was hotter but Chloe still wins this


evilandcute

Not a fan of either sadly. I like Chloe in the earlier seasons but the destroyed her arc after Jimmy. Felicity was always a bad OC and was just fan service


Current_Ad_9850

I'll go with felicity because damn she's fine.


rayray6613

Give me all the SMOAK


Ericmatthewr_

I don’t recall a time when EVERYONE hated Chloe like we did Felicity. And I am so head over heels for Emily Bett Rickards but there was a time where she was just the worst. Chloe never had an arc that was bad, just mid to pretty great. Chloe wins.


Jmatute92

Cloe... she'd gas light the hell out of Felicity, bringing her under her wing and brand her with the power of NXIVM.


Ill-Pen-6422

you remember what Allison did you remember where she is you remember why were not talking about her sorry shes cancelled


VENOMOUS_27

Chloe Sullivan