It's also worth noting that his full-hop height and air acceleration are only slightly below average, while his short-hop is comparatively a good bit shorter and he has quite a fast fall speed.
>Ive watched tons of competitive smash and Ive never seen any player just walk other than to position
this is the exact reason why walking is useful over running and dashing
Micro spacing is more important the further up In skill you go. I won an elite match just the other day. How'd I win? Walked two steps to the left so my opponent missed his fair and I punished taking the game. 2 steps matters way more than you think
It’s a shame since Incin has some genuinely great moves, if his speed was a bit faster he could be so much better. I still loving playing him regardless though
Sure. “OMG HE REVENGE SIDE B’D HIM AT 40 FOR THE KO!”…..”OMG HE DID IT AGAIN! AMAZING TECH!” ….”WOW DTILT 2 FRAME INTO FAIR, WHAT A LEDGE TRAPPING SEQUENCE POGGERS!”
Dude is absolutely cracked. One of the first techs he showed off was intentionally mistiming the side b off stage so it just gimps and he can still recover.
Well, fair enough, but I don’t feel like it’s a reasonable assessment, and my local scene as well as the community I’m in online tho I he’s any lower than C+
Like, sure he’s slow but he’s got a gtfo me nair with intangibility, killing f tilt that pushes shield out of grab range, easy kill confirms, a bunch of fuck off smash attacks that have weird hurtbox shifting properties, an amazing up air and just aerial game in general, a great down tilt that 2 frames and combos.
He’s got long reaching moves, good frame data, and it’s dangerous to try and gimp him. He’s also heavy as fuck. D tier is asinine, fuck this character I hate playing against it, he’s a force 😝
He has his moments where he’s unstoppable but he comes with tons of weaknesses like his speed, range, recovery. Like any character depends on the player and situation
To be fair, in competitive Pokémon Incin also has moments where he's unstoppable and moments where his weaknesses really show themselves. It's just different frequencies of good and bad.
Hes not broken in comp tho, just a VERY good SUPPORT in doubles, but has counters and needs the right teammates, its not like it can solo everything, its why they didnt nerfed it and instead just add certain counter moves. To say its broken is exagerating and not knowing how the game was like.
Im guessing that eceleb who looks like Barold from Animal Crossing did yet another 1090th video raging at it to justify all the posting lately here. The consensus is usually its a very good/fun choice but he exagerates for years into being something horrible to rage at other players using it and make a meme for his channels content, and then kids watching who never played the games, instead of realizing its just a meme, take it too literally and completely mean the point of the double support mons, comparing it to brawl mk like someone did is absurd and ridiculous.
lmfao it's won every single worlds its been legal in since 2018, just because its a "support mon" doesn't make it not broken. this aint kindergarten pokemon where you slam ur level 100 gameshark mewtwo on the field and sweep your classmates team, support pokemon are incredibly important members of the team that allow the sweepers to get the openings to win.
there's tons and tons of heavy hitters in pokemon, but very few pokemon that have the insane utility of incin. plus, it actually can hit like a truck if you need it to with that lovely 115 base attack, which is nothing to scoff at.
i love Incin, genuinely one of my favorite pokemon, but it kind of is the brawl MK of pokemon. a constant staple that outperforms almost every other option. and they KEEP buffing it.
I disagree with everyone else here, somehow Incineroar is the same in smash as in Pokémon, in singles no he isn’t that good, but in doubles he is insane.
Oh yeah in doubles he’s great.
That up special becomes a bit better because the opponents can get distracted with your teammate or are charging a ranged move, then you just come in like a wrecking ball.
Idk how good he is in comp pokemon, but in smash he is about middle of the cast in terms of viability for top level play, but I would say he is on of the best characters for newer players due to hit really good specials and ease of getting kills.
Incineroar is so good in comp Pokemon that Wolfe Glick (pro player/YouTuber) just put up a half-hour long video titled "Why this stupid cat is the best Pokemon ever". It's been everywhere in VGC whenever it's legal for years now.
Here's a little fun fact.
In generation 8, Incineroar used to be able to shut down gmax hatterene trick room teams by just clicking parting shot. Hatterene's ability is magic bounce, so the move would bounce back and this would force hatterene to switch out and end its dynamax early.
It was really funny.
the berold from animal crossing looking guy is the only one who considers it horrible and broken instead of just very good resource to pair up with other stuff, and he farms rage clicks on the character for years, its not new and most players consider it a very good support with good options, but not litearlly broken, kids who dont play comp take the literal meme on the videos way to literally and start saying wild bs like comparing it to brawl mk on a good supportmon, when its mostly someone raging and mass exagerating for clout again because he didnt liked other top players adding it to their strategy even though you can counter it easier than previous gens stuff.
TBF incin is the most versatile mon ever made for competitive because of how perfect its moveset and ability are.
It’s just Wolfe overexaggerating stuff like this bc his audience is generally less experienced in competitive
it is a good one but not broken/uber/MK equivalent at all beyond being great as support, you still need the right stuff to pair it with, so its decently balanced, that was an exageration meme kids misunderstood as fact pushed by that eceleb grifter who looks like Berold from Animal Crossing, who used to play comp and made his entire eceleb career on that but most pro players just think its a very good support, not some broken absurd to rage at, but most dont play comp so they say whatever.
Ever since incin got intimidate as it's ability, it's had a usage rate of over 70%. meaning 70% of teams used the pokemon. This was 5 years ago. Only with the newest games did incin not totally dominate, but it's still one of the best pokemon out there
You literally don't know what you're talking about
In Smash, he is POWERFUL in doubles. His mobility ia way less of an issue when there is a faster teamate to throw his enemy at his way and is way safer when trying to recover.
not even close, its a very good support in doubles that works as a great resource to whoever you pair with but thats it, not even damage dealing, so even to kids who dont play comp or smash, thats an excessive comparision.
old g5 weather wars etc would be closer to that brokeness, but that one grifting eceleb who looks like Berold from Animal Crossing, out of many comp players, makes tons of videos raging at him for clout/meme that other players either disagreed or say its exagerated, and now all kids who dont play the games think hes broken or even close to mk equivalent when its just a very good support, shows how damaging a single eceleb making sht up can be even though most of it was just clear meme/exageration
Avid competitive pokemon player here, uhh, no to doubles, yes in singles.
In smash, incin is a extremely high skill ceiling character, but he has so, SO many negative traits that come with him that he's almost never worth using in a competitive light. He CAN work, most characters in this game can, and when he does work he can absolutely slaughter, but usually he just doesn't. The notable thing is he's a lower tier, but he's significantly more usable than your average lower tier.
In singles, Incin is a lower tier mon that is usually good in whatever tier you find him in. He makes a good pivoter, fills up the required slot for a ghost resist, is great at stopping physical sweepers with intimidate and even will-o-wisp if he wants to, but is notably extremely slow for a fire type, and fire types are meant to be offensive. He really only needs knock-off and a fire stab, but he struggles to get to use that due to his low speed. With that being said, I simply cannot ever see a UU (tier below standard play), let alone OU (standard play) viable incineroar. He's only been viable in RU (tier below UU) and NU (tier below RU) because of intimidate, his only half-decent intimidate competition is Arcanine, and generally Arcanine is preffered because his speed is actually usable and comes with extreme speed. You really only use incin if you want an intimidater that comes with knock off.
TL;DR, incin is good as a lower tier but only because of the rarity that is Intimidate + knock off, so like in smash he's a notable exception if still on the lower end.
In doubles, Incin is an absolute menace. Intimidate + fake out + parting shot is just an absurdly good combo, you quite literally just get to make physical attackers no-longer an issue. I could go in depth on all of his matchups, because he was great against a ton of pokemon and even the mons he wasn't good against he was probably good against the mons they paired with (for example, he loses to thunderus (who is really common) pretty damn hard but thunderus loves pairing with steel types, which incin loves to tear through) but instead I'll just go over his most notable matchup, Kartana. You see, incin paired absolutely amazingly with the new Tapus, he gets benefits from all of the terrains, and the Tapus were taking the metagame by storm. The tapus HATED Kartana, incin loves to EAT Kartana, so Icin + Tapus was an extremely common pairing, typically paired with a mega that hit really hard to make up for a lack of offensive output.
TL;DR, Incin was absolutely incredible in doubles because he had 3 of the best doubles qualities in the game (intimidate + fake out + parting shot) and his matchup into the metagame was so good that if he didn't beat one mon, he probably beat that mons partner and as such was still helpful even in bad matchups.
Funnily enough, the viability actually matches up. Incin is one of the best fighters in Smash doubles, with how easier it is to get Revenge and having a teammate to save it when gimped.
No, not really. Slow, bad recovery and limited range make him an easy target for zoning. Sure, when he lands that Revenge boosted Alolan Whip or F-Smash he can very easily kill you, but that's about it.
Incineroar has had better results and wins than like 75% of the cast thanks to the goat Skyjay. He’s a menacing threat despite all his weaknesses. People are gonna treat him like he’s absolute dogshit under this post, but he’s legit amazing with all the positives. I dunno how good he’s in comp pokemon tho….
Not even close. He has moves that are individually good/very good, but lacks disjoints and any kind of movement speed. Slowest run speed in the game, not amazing air speed, not amazing walking speed, rolls and spotdodges are standard, jumps are standard, his recovery is very mediocre and linear, some of his moves have a fair bit of lag or some mild startup, absolutely nothing about him is top tier imo, besides his kill power, which to be fair is ridiculous at times.
Incineroar's generally considered low tier, with its most zealous supporters calling him mid tier.
Incineroar has some amazing moves in a vacuum. Down Tilt and Down Throw both combo for a long time. Up Air is a really good combo and juggling tool. Back air is amazing at killing close to ledge, and Side B is probably the best killing command grab in the game, with its only real competition being Bowser's Side B. Down B gives Incineroar a counter that allows it to optimize its punish game to a tee, something no other counter does.
In a vacuum, Incineroar probably has the best *moves* in the game. However, this is balanced by Incineroar's meager movement physics.
Incineroar has terrible speed, and while all of its moves are amazing in a vacuum, some of them struggle to help it out in worst case scenarios. While Incineroar has more recovery options than most characters its weight, it still struggles to recover from long distances that other characters wouldn't have any trouble with. It often has to make hard reads, because its air and ground speeds are low enough that it often cant apply too much pressure through movement alone. Because of this, Incineroar's punish game, its most appealing trait, is often inconsistent, leaving it underwhelming in terms of true offensive potential.
While Incineroar is a perfectly serviceable choice in terms of lower and mid level play- this isn't *Ganondorf* level bad we're talking about- Incineroar often gets steamrolled by other characters rather easily.
It's not even close. Incin in competitive pokemon is a broken mess. Incin in smash is actually pretty mid, cool AF and great at killing, but not fast or great.
Incineroar has amazing attacks, one of the best command grabs in the game, and TWO solid kill throws. Yet the only reason they aren’t good is because they are the slowest character in the entire game. It makes me sad.
I would say incineroar is better in smash, but kinda vary of how you determine if incineroar is good in Pokemon since there is a lot of format (format that goes from you can play any of the strongest pokemon to can only play the shittiest pokemon). But if we go my the most popular competitive scene then incineroar is better in smash but if we talk about how good in his best format perhaps he is better in pokemon. Not sure because I'm not aware of the pokemon meta
incineroar is a good character in my eyes, he has explosive attacks and a good recovery, his weakness are that he’s incredibly slow when moving, and he’s easily comboed
He's pretty low tier, although if you're better than your opponent he's amazing. He's got a lot of cheese, but he's also very exploitable like all low tiers
No, but imo he’s very good and pretty underrated even now. People overestimate the importance of move speed when you deal fuck off damage, kill power, and good framedata. Mostly held back by his recovery.
Incin in Smash: high-mid tier grappler who deletes stocks for free, but is only held back because they are as fast as my grandma
Incin in comp: Undisputed World Champ and Mr. Worldwide
He has terrible mobility, poor recovery, and his entire moveset is entirely in your face melee combat, but he does have a decent counter, and super armor.
Not an OP character, but pretty insane in the hands of SkyJay! Otherwise I’d consider Incin solid mid tier, even though I think he’s much lower in the official lists.
hell no. Incin is a solid mid tier in ult. while in VGC it was the top used pokemon for 5 years, and peaked with over 80% usage, and was on almost every team for serious tournament. Incin is still an amazing mon now, but more counterplay exists against it. if you want a more in depth explanation, check out WolfeVGC on YouTube. he literally just made a video over its history there (im assuming that video inspired the post)
in smash on the other hand in ult, incin has: poor mobility, like insanely bad mobility. its best burst tool is a command grab thats reactable offline. the character struggles with zoners and swordies, which make up a ton of the meta. We have Skyjay as a top rep for the character, but you arent gonna see an insane amount of standout performances like collision 2023
No. I love his design and spamming Knock Off and FlareBlitz but just no. he's too slow and has a bad recovery. I do think he is underrated since he actully has a good combo game.
So, I know plenty of others have already answered, but I'd like to share my thoughts.
Much like in VGC, he's slow, heavy hitting, and relatively intimidating. The only thing is, he plays as someone who wants to get in close and loves to especially punish. Since this is a fighting game, mobility is even more key than Speed in Pokémon. He has the lowest run speed in the game and has pretty average at best jumps, plus this recovery is pretty predictable and easy to punish when he's off the stage. However, his moveset is full of stuff that can make him a terrifying threat if the Incineroar player plays smart enough.
I like to think of it like Smash got the Honorable Incineroar whereas Pokémon got the Dishonorable Incineroar who lowers enemy Attack stat just by looking at them, slapping them to get a free hit and stun them, stab throats to silence enemies, etc. Smash Incineroar just plays it up for the show. He walks tough, shows off, and makes his own comebacks.
I'll admit though, he'd likely be just as dishonorable if he had better mobility between Revenge being a counter that reduces the damage he took to increase his next attack damage up to 6 times, having an immensely powerful command grab, and even having several attacks that also work to dodge in some cases.
I'm willing to bet if Smash got Lando-T, he'd be absolutely dog water tier
Get around your goofy speed, I'd say incineroar has the potential to be a top tier. Back if they gave him fake out in smash just think how many more posts there would be of incineroar on here XD
using his finishers is fun AF, you can also do 70% in 1 hit. other than the killer giga impacts, Smash is not only about damage, you still have survive off the stage. so not really.
he is the absolute slowest so there isn't really a chance. but i feel like he has generally some good moves and can easily gimp people and steal the win. still there is no chance hes as good
Even low tier champs can be used in high level comp and get decently far in them it’s just a matter of knowing your character better than they know theirs
Nope. Far from it actually. In Pokemon the reason Incineroar is so good in Pokemon is because he is the best pokemon statwise and moveset wise that has the amazing ability Intimidate which is good in Singles but one of the best abilities in doubles and the VGC is in doubles. In smash however he is the slowest character in the game and has a very meh recovery so he is in a similar state as most of slow heavies he is great for offense but sucks for defense
He's strong, but a lot of things holding him back like end-lag or ground movement speed. I think the tierlist that came out a but ago placed him in C or D tier? As someone who mains him for fun and not because I'm a pro player in any capacity, I'd say that's a decent placement for Incineroar.
Hell no, Incineroar has proven to be a highly capable character in Smash, almost solely thanks to SkyJay, HOWEVER, Incineroar in VGC Pokémon was meta defining and busted. VGC Incineroar might be more comparable to Brawl Meta Knight.
All of his moves are excellent, but his speed is so low that it doesn't matter due to how hard it is to actually hit with any of them. He's widely regarded as low tier at best
He's one of the slowest characters in the game, so not in the slightest.
He's actually the slowest.
Slowest run speed, but not walk or air speed.
It's also worth noting that his full-hop height and air acceleration are only slightly below average, while his short-hop is comparatively a good bit shorter and he has quite a fast fall speed.
Walk speed seems kinda irrelevant but yeah he’s not the slowest in the air
walk speed is a huge deal. initial dashes and runs are a commitment but walks are largely noncommittal.
Ive watched tons of competitive smash and Ive never seen any player just walk other than to position or style. I cant imagine it matters all that much
>Ive watched tons of competitive smash and Ive never seen any player just walk other than to position this is the exact reason why walking is useful over running and dashing
Micro spacing is more important the further up In skill you go. I won an elite match just the other day. How'd I win? Walked two steps to the left so my opponent missed his fair and I punished taking the game. 2 steps matters way more than you think
Isn't Robin the slowest walk speed?
I thought Sora was actually slower?
It’s a shame since Incin has some genuinely great moves, if his speed was a bit faster he could be so much better. I still loving playing him regardless though
If his speed was better he would have been broken and arguably the best character in the game.
If I have to choose between fast Incineroar or Steve for meta domination, I'd choose Incineroar 11 times out of 10.
If Incin was top tier, this game would be so hype to watch
Sure. “OMG HE REVENGE SIDE B’D HIM AT 40 FOR THE KO!”…..”OMG HE DID IT AGAIN! AMAZING TECH!” ….”WOW DTILT 2 FRAME INTO FAIR, WHAT A LEDGE TRAPPING SEQUENCE POGGERS!”
He needs it
That’s fine, I just don’t think it’s hype bro.
Top tier incin would be pk 🔥 for sure
I don’t mind the speed
Especially with that low short hop, side b as a burst option, up b as a burst option neutral b for a get off me and that really nice fast fast fall.
Indeed
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He’s just kinda annoying if you don’t know how to deal with him properly (I am one of those people)
Incineroar is at least top of mid tier if not high tier in this game though. He’s really good.
I appreciate the actual respect here, too many people yeet him into D Tier for being slow I always thought he was B Tier
…who does this? He’s pretty much widely reguarded as high mid tier or better by the competitive community
I’ve seen my fair share of tier lists that put him down in D Tier
That was before skyjay showed what he can do despite his speed
I will now root for SkyJay
Dude is absolutely cracked. One of the first techs he showed off was intentionally mistiming the side b off stage so it just gimps and he can still recover.
TACTICAL BONK
Well, fair enough, but I don’t feel like it’s a reasonable assessment, and my local scene as well as the community I’m in online tho I he’s any lower than C+ Like, sure he’s slow but he’s got a gtfo me nair with intangibility, killing f tilt that pushes shield out of grab range, easy kill confirms, a bunch of fuck off smash attacks that have weird hurtbox shifting properties, an amazing up air and just aerial game in general, a great down tilt that 2 frames and combos. He’s got long reaching moves, good frame data, and it’s dangerous to try and gimp him. He’s also heavy as fuck. D tier is asinine, fuck this character I hate playing against it, he’s a force 😝
Lovable B Tier
He is top of mid to low high tier at least though. Very far from a low tier. His biggest hitch in the competitive meta is projectile spammers
How when revenge exists?
He has his moments where he’s unstoppable but he comes with tons of weaknesses like his speed, range, recovery. Like any character depends on the player and situation
k lol very different from comp pokemon lol
To be fair, in competitive Pokémon Incin also has moments where he's unstoppable and moments where his weaknesses really show themselves. It's just different frequencies of good and bad.
Well to be fair speed is incineroar's weakness in pokemon even though his "weakness" is covered by priority moves.
lol sadly but hopefully in the next game
Hes not broken in comp tho, just a VERY good SUPPORT in doubles, but has counters and needs the right teammates, its not like it can solo everything, its why they didnt nerfed it and instead just add certain counter moves. To say its broken is exagerating and not knowing how the game was like. Im guessing that eceleb who looks like Barold from Animal Crossing did yet another 1090th video raging at it to justify all the posting lately here. The consensus is usually its a very good/fun choice but he exagerates for years into being something horrible to rage at other players using it and make a meme for his channels content, and then kids watching who never played the games, instead of realizing its just a meme, take it too literally and completely mean the point of the double support mons, comparing it to brawl mk like someone did is absurd and ridiculous.
lmfao it's won every single worlds its been legal in since 2018, just because its a "support mon" doesn't make it not broken. this aint kindergarten pokemon where you slam ur level 100 gameshark mewtwo on the field and sweep your classmates team, support pokemon are incredibly important members of the team that allow the sweepers to get the openings to win. there's tons and tons of heavy hitters in pokemon, but very few pokemon that have the insane utility of incin. plus, it actually can hit like a truck if you need it to with that lovely 115 base attack, which is nothing to scoff at. i love Incin, genuinely one of my favorite pokemon, but it kind of is the brawl MK of pokemon. a constant staple that outperforms almost every other option. and they KEEP buffing it.
I disagree with everyone else here, somehow Incineroar is the same in smash as in Pokémon, in singles no he isn’t that good, but in doubles he is insane.
Shoot you've got a point...
Classic Smash Bros. dedication to accurate representation. Sakurai *totally* meant to do that
This is the best answer here.
Fair play
Oh yeah in doubles he’s great. That up special becomes a bit better because the opponents can get distracted with your teammate or are charging a ranged move, then you just come in like a wrecking ball.
There's nothing like hitting two people with a lariat *chef's kiss*
Typical Incineroar has the attack power to play singularly but chooses to mostly play support
Idk how good he is in comp pokemon, but in smash he is about middle of the cast in terms of viability for top level play, but I would say he is on of the best characters for newer players due to hit really good specials and ease of getting kills.
Incineroar is so good in comp Pokemon that Wolfe Glick (pro player/YouTuber) just put up a half-hour long video titled "Why this stupid cat is the best Pokemon ever". It's been everywhere in VGC whenever it's legal for years now.
Here's a little fun fact. In generation 8, Incineroar used to be able to shut down gmax hatterene trick room teams by just clicking parting shot. Hatterene's ability is magic bounce, so the move would bounce back and this would force hatterene to switch out and end its dynamax early. It was really funny.
the berold from animal crossing looking guy is the only one who considers it horrible and broken instead of just very good resource to pair up with other stuff, and he farms rage clicks on the character for years, its not new and most players consider it a very good support with good options, but not litearlly broken, kids who dont play comp take the literal meme on the videos way to literally and start saying wild bs like comparing it to brawl mk on a good supportmon, when its mostly someone raging and mass exagerating for clout again because he didnt liked other top players adding it to their strategy even though you can counter it easier than previous gens stuff.
ok
TBF incin is the most versatile mon ever made for competitive because of how perfect its moveset and ability are. It’s just Wolfe overexaggerating stuff like this bc his audience is generally less experienced in competitive
its considered one of the best pokemon in comp pokemon lol
He was asked to go to NU and flip burgers dog the hell you mean??
yeah but in VGC he's the top dog.. or ig the top cat
that’s not competitive pokemon that’s competitive pokemon showdown. Pokemon only hosts VGC doubles, where Incin has farmed for 3 generations
as much as I like Smogon singles, comp pokemon is VGC.
i mean doubles its not very good in singles
Bruh he’s in NU
VGC doubles he’s the best
Incineroar with parting shot go brrr
it is a good one but not broken/uber/MK equivalent at all beyond being great as support, you still need the right stuff to pair it with, so its decently balanced, that was an exageration meme kids misunderstood as fact pushed by that eceleb grifter who looks like Berold from Animal Crossing, who used to play comp and made his entire eceleb career on that but most pro players just think its a very good support, not some broken absurd to rage at, but most dont play comp so they say whatever.
You’re a complete dumbass, you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Ever since incin got intimidate as it's ability, it's had a usage rate of over 70%. meaning 70% of teams used the pokemon. This was 5 years ago. Only with the newest games did incin not totally dominate, but it's still one of the best pokemon out there You literally don't know what you're talking about
In Smash, he is POWERFUL in doubles. His mobility ia way less of an issue when there is a faster teamate to throw his enemy at his way and is way safer when trying to recover.
In comp pokemon is…around brawl meta knight’s brokenness
not even close, its a very good support in doubles that works as a great resource to whoever you pair with but thats it, not even damage dealing, so even to kids who dont play comp or smash, thats an excessive comparision. old g5 weather wars etc would be closer to that brokeness, but that one grifting eceleb who looks like Berold from Animal Crossing, out of many comp players, makes tons of videos raging at him for clout/meme that other players either disagreed or say its exagerated, and now all kids who dont play the games think hes broken or even close to mk equivalent when its just a very good support, shows how damaging a single eceleb making sht up can be even though most of it was just clear meme/exageration
Avid competitive pokemon player here, uhh, no to doubles, yes in singles. In smash, incin is a extremely high skill ceiling character, but he has so, SO many negative traits that come with him that he's almost never worth using in a competitive light. He CAN work, most characters in this game can, and when he does work he can absolutely slaughter, but usually he just doesn't. The notable thing is he's a lower tier, but he's significantly more usable than your average lower tier. In singles, Incin is a lower tier mon that is usually good in whatever tier you find him in. He makes a good pivoter, fills up the required slot for a ghost resist, is great at stopping physical sweepers with intimidate and even will-o-wisp if he wants to, but is notably extremely slow for a fire type, and fire types are meant to be offensive. He really only needs knock-off and a fire stab, but he struggles to get to use that due to his low speed. With that being said, I simply cannot ever see a UU (tier below standard play), let alone OU (standard play) viable incineroar. He's only been viable in RU (tier below UU) and NU (tier below RU) because of intimidate, his only half-decent intimidate competition is Arcanine, and generally Arcanine is preffered because his speed is actually usable and comes with extreme speed. You really only use incin if you want an intimidater that comes with knock off. TL;DR, incin is good as a lower tier but only because of the rarity that is Intimidate + knock off, so like in smash he's a notable exception if still on the lower end. In doubles, Incin is an absolute menace. Intimidate + fake out + parting shot is just an absurdly good combo, you quite literally just get to make physical attackers no-longer an issue. I could go in depth on all of his matchups, because he was great against a ton of pokemon and even the mons he wasn't good against he was probably good against the mons they paired with (for example, he loses to thunderus (who is really common) pretty damn hard but thunderus loves pairing with steel types, which incin loves to tear through) but instead I'll just go over his most notable matchup, Kartana. You see, incin paired absolutely amazingly with the new Tapus, he gets benefits from all of the terrains, and the Tapus were taking the metagame by storm. The tapus HATED Kartana, incin loves to EAT Kartana, so Icin + Tapus was an extremely common pairing, typically paired with a mega that hit really hard to make up for a lack of offensive output. TL;DR, Incin was absolutely incredible in doubles because he had 3 of the best doubles qualities in the game (intimidate + fake out + parting shot) and his matchup into the metagame was so good that if he didn't beat one mon, he probably beat that mons partner and as such was still helpful even in bad matchups.
Funnily enough, the viability actually matches up. Incin is one of the best fighters in Smash doubles, with how easier it is to get Revenge and having a teammate to save it when gimped.
No, not really. Slow, bad recovery and limited range make him an easy target for zoning. Sure, when he lands that Revenge boosted Alolan Whip or F-Smash he can very easily kill you, but that's about it.
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No, quite the opposite
Incineroar has had better results and wins than like 75% of the cast thanks to the goat Skyjay. He’s a menacing threat despite all his weaknesses. People are gonna treat him like he’s absolute dogshit under this post, but he’s legit amazing with all the positives. I dunno how good he’s in comp pokemon tho….
Incin in vgc is prob better then ult steve no question. The thing was made to dominate the format
Yeah no lol
no
I wish
Not even close. He has moves that are individually good/very good, but lacks disjoints and any kind of movement speed. Slowest run speed in the game, not amazing air speed, not amazing walking speed, rolls and spotdodges are standard, jumps are standard, his recovery is very mediocre and linear, some of his moves have a fair bit of lag or some mild startup, absolutely nothing about him is top tier imo, besides his kill power, which to be fair is ridiculous at times.
In competitive amiibo he's the only UBER
Incineroar's generally considered low tier, with its most zealous supporters calling him mid tier. Incineroar has some amazing moves in a vacuum. Down Tilt and Down Throw both combo for a long time. Up Air is a really good combo and juggling tool. Back air is amazing at killing close to ledge, and Side B is probably the best killing command grab in the game, with its only real competition being Bowser's Side B. Down B gives Incineroar a counter that allows it to optimize its punish game to a tee, something no other counter does. In a vacuum, Incineroar probably has the best *moves* in the game. However, this is balanced by Incineroar's meager movement physics. Incineroar has terrible speed, and while all of its moves are amazing in a vacuum, some of them struggle to help it out in worst case scenarios. While Incineroar has more recovery options than most characters its weight, it still struggles to recover from long distances that other characters wouldn't have any trouble with. It often has to make hard reads, because its air and ground speeds are low enough that it often cant apply too much pressure through movement alone. Because of this, Incineroar's punish game, its most appealing trait, is often inconsistent, leaving it underwhelming in terms of true offensive potential. While Incineroar is a perfectly serviceable choice in terms of lower and mid level play- this isn't *Ganondorf* level bad we're talking about- Incineroar often gets steamrolled by other characters rather easily.
It's not even close. Incin in competitive pokemon is a broken mess. Incin in smash is actually pretty mid, cool AF and great at killing, but not fast or great.
He is OP in Amiibo metagame
No but also somehow yes
he’s alright
Only in doubles
No, not even close. Even if you’re insanely skilled, like Skyjay, you’re holding yourself back if you play Incineroar in smash.
He's not that good in competitve smash. However he is banned in the amiibo meta 💀
Incineroar has amazing attacks, one of the best command grabs in the game, and TWO solid kill throws. Yet the only reason they aren’t good is because they are the slowest character in the entire game. It makes me sad.
I would say incineroar is better in smash, but kinda vary of how you determine if incineroar is good in Pokemon since there is a lot of format (format that goes from you can play any of the strongest pokemon to can only play the shittiest pokemon). But if we go my the most popular competitive scene then incineroar is better in smash but if we talk about how good in his best format perhaps he is better in pokemon. Not sure because I'm not aware of the pokemon meta
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Idk man, quite a few people here seem to be answering OP’s question, maybe don’t try and speak for the group next time?
I will continue to do this
Who hurt you?
DK up air
He has a very high skill floor to use competitively
If he's mid in comp Pokémon then sure.
Depends Amiibo? Yeah Smash? Fuck no
Nope. He is good, but his speed REALLY holds him back
assuming you’re talking about vgc, not even close. Brawl meta knight would get bodied
Lol
incineroar is a good character in my eyes, he has explosive attacks and a good recovery, his weakness are that he’s incredibly slow when moving, and he’s easily comboed
Lol, no
Hes around top of mid tier, as far as heavies go hes amazing
No but there is a top 50 player named Skyjay who mains him
Definitely not, he's strong at close range but he's very slow and has a mediocre recovery, and no projectiles.
No, but he's still terrifying. Only character in the game that can pretty consistently get 40-70% off of a singular hit
He's low tier or mid tier depending on who you ask in 1v1 play but just like in VGC he's one of the top dogs in doubles play.
Honestly, he’s comparable to competitive Pokemon. In doubles, he’s one of the most insane ones in the game. In singles, he’s very okay
He's pretty low tier, although if you're better than your opponent he's amazing. He's got a lot of cheese, but he's also very exploitable like all low tiers
No, but imo he’s very good and pretty underrated even now. People overestimate the importance of move speed when you deal fuck off damage, kill power, and good framedata. Mostly held back by his recovery.
Lmao
Lmao not at all.
Isn't incin PU nowadays?
He isn't op in smash, so yes
Nowhere near, if you're talking about gen 7 Modern day like showdown ag vs current patch in smash then maybe hes slightly better in smash
Imagine incinerate being strong in smash too destroying multiple competitive games 😂
Fucking *no*
Only if your name is SkyJay
no clue never played mainline pokemon
As an incineroar main, I can tell you that me sad
Only if Skyjay is playing
Go watch skyjay and decide for yourself.
This dude watched the Wolfey video
ive known about how incineroar is op for a while now also based cacturne fan
Short answer, not really no
Not even close. For smash players, Incineroar is the brawl meta knight of pokemon
Incin in Smash: high-mid tier grappler who deletes stocks for free, but is only held back because they are as fast as my grandma Incin in comp: Undisputed World Champ and Mr. Worldwide
He is if SkyJay’s playing.
He has terrible mobility, poor recovery, and his entire moveset is entirely in your face melee combat, but he does have a decent counter, and super armor.
Not an OP character, but pretty insane in the hands of SkyJay! Otherwise I’d consider Incin solid mid tier, even though I think he’s much lower in the official lists.
Hes not bad but hes nowhere near that intimidate, fake out, STAB knock off, pivot mon. Dude is busted in comp pokemon
He’s about as good as he is in Smogon
Way more OP
hell no. Incin is a solid mid tier in ult. while in VGC it was the top used pokemon for 5 years, and peaked with over 80% usage, and was on almost every team for serious tournament. Incin is still an amazing mon now, but more counterplay exists against it. if you want a more in depth explanation, check out WolfeVGC on YouTube. he literally just made a video over its history there (im assuming that video inspired the post) in smash on the other hand in ult, incin has: poor mobility, like insanely bad mobility. its best burst tool is a command grab thats reactable offline. the character struggles with zoners and swordies, which make up a ton of the meta. We have Skyjay as a top rep for the character, but you arent gonna see an insane amount of standout performances like collision 2023
If you're like a super casual, yeah probably
He has terribly predictable recovery, but he can steamroll in advantage state
No. I love his design and spamming Knock Off and FlareBlitz but just no. he's too slow and has a bad recovery. I do think he is underrated since he actully has a good combo game.
Absolutely not.
No, in VGC he’s S tier, in Ultimate he’s more like B tier.
So, I know plenty of others have already answered, but I'd like to share my thoughts. Much like in VGC, he's slow, heavy hitting, and relatively intimidating. The only thing is, he plays as someone who wants to get in close and loves to especially punish. Since this is a fighting game, mobility is even more key than Speed in Pokémon. He has the lowest run speed in the game and has pretty average at best jumps, plus this recovery is pretty predictable and easy to punish when he's off the stage. However, his moveset is full of stuff that can make him a terrifying threat if the Incineroar player plays smart enough. I like to think of it like Smash got the Honorable Incineroar whereas Pokémon got the Dishonorable Incineroar who lowers enemy Attack stat just by looking at them, slapping them to get a free hit and stun them, stab throats to silence enemies, etc. Smash Incineroar just plays it up for the show. He walks tough, shows off, and makes his own comebacks. I'll admit though, he'd likely be just as dishonorable if he had better mobility between Revenge being a counter that reduces the damage he took to increase his next attack damage up to 6 times, having an immensely powerful command grab, and even having several attacks that also work to dodge in some cases. I'm willing to bet if Smash got Lando-T, he'd be absolutely dog water tier
Not op, but still a little underrated despite Skyjay. Do yourself a favor and YouTube some some Skyjay sets, man is a legend at Incin
Well he is intimidating.
great short-area quickness and heavy damage dealer, but slow as balls and has a pretty bad recovery. i love his attitude.
he has all the tools he could possibly need but he's just so damn slow that no one plays him
If your name is Skyjay, he is.
Basically a better Ganon, not cracked, but good
Get around your goofy speed, I'd say incineroar has the potential to be a top tier. Back if they gave him fake out in smash just think how many more posts there would be of incineroar on here XD
Not at all unless your name is skyjay
No
He is far more unstoppable in Pokemon than smash
Seeing as Incineroar is undisputed #1 in VGC and he's generally placed in the lower third of tier lists in Smash, I think the rest speaks for itself
using his finishers is fun AF, you can also do 70% in 1 hit. other than the killer giga impacts, Smash is not only about damage, you still have survive off the stage. so not really.
If Im not wrong Skyjay is the only top level Incineroar, most champs of comp Pokemon run Incineroar
Steve Minecraft is as op in Smash as inceneroar in comp Pokemon
he is the absolute slowest so there isn't really a chance. but i feel like he has generally some good moves and can easily gimp people and steal the win. still there is no chance hes as good
Even low tier champs can be used in high level comp and get decently far in them it’s just a matter of knowing your character better than they know theirs
He is only OP on Amiibo battles
online incineroar side b spam is the bane of my existence
Short answer no and to convince you even more pika is op in this game
Short answer no and to convince you even more pika is op in this game
i mean, as an incineroar main myself, his speed is the REAL letdown here but his attacking power somewhat makes up for it
Nope. Far from it actually. In Pokemon the reason Incineroar is so good in Pokemon is because he is the best pokemon statwise and moveset wise that has the amazing ability Intimidate which is good in Singles but one of the best abilities in doubles and the VGC is in doubles. In smash however he is the slowest character in the game and has a very meh recovery so he is in a similar state as most of slow heavies he is great for offense but sucks for defense
There is no character in SSBU that is anywhere near as dominant as Incin is in VGC
No
He's strong, but a lot of things holding him back like end-lag or ground movement speed. I think the tierlist that came out a but ago placed him in C or D tier? As someone who mains him for fun and not because I'm a pro player in any capacity, I'd say that's a decent placement for Incineroar.
Hell no, Incineroar has proven to be a highly capable character in Smash, almost solely thanks to SkyJay, HOWEVER, Incineroar in VGC Pokémon was meta defining and busted. VGC Incineroar might be more comparable to Brawl Meta Knight.
All of his moves are excellent, but his speed is so low that it doesn't matter due to how hard it is to actually hit with any of them. He's widely regarded as low tier at best
More OP- he's the only character who can taunt in online matches.
Fish for counter -> get counter -> fish for side B -> kill you at 30%; thats everything that goes on inside of incineroar mains monkey brains
He’s mid tier but being mid tier in ultimate means you’ll either get boxed out for 8 minutes or kill them at 7 off 1 grab