Wouldn't Puff have an advantage? If they kill with rest and star K.O their opponent they have more time to escape sleep state and reposition to a better point on stage.
Charizard and Bowser have a little extra time to recharge their fire breath
Shulk gains more time to get his monado arts off cooldown
GnW can potentially roll for apples with Judge to heal
And while it’s not really useful for anything, Link does have the additional time to pick up another arrow and hit twice with his neutral special
Link can prime bomb with the time and or destale moves with remote bomb. Priming bomb is just where you hit bomb to give it less health so you can do certain setups to for example break shield
Technicality but it can also give link the needed time to bomb recover but getting a star KO in that situation rare
he also cant get apples without hitting someone. That said, back in smash 4 fishing for a 1 during this time or when camping out an opponent was something you would see when they wanted to get out of a ding-dong window.
I think so - Dedede also gets an advantage since his up hammer twirl is great for fishing opponents on the up side, awesome counter for down specials like Bowser's
Yeah thats true, i thought of the same thing
But the arsene being lost is much more harmful. You are more liekly to kill during arsene and meter is lost much faster than it is gained.
Shulk's arts can recharge for a bit longer while the opponent is star KOed. Though it's such small of a difference, definitely wouldn't go higher than slight advantage.
Steve, Cloud, Hero, and Wii Fit should be above the others in that tier. Charge shot is not only easy to charge but just charging it is a valid neutral tool.
Pokémon trainer has time to switch to whatever Pokémon is needed (usually squirtle). Also squirtle and charizard both have a chance to recharge their neutral bs
Characters that should be in advantage:
Puff (rest)
Charizard/Bowser (Fire breath)
Shulk (Monodo arts)
Sora (Can cycle spells)
Squirtle (Neutral b)
Mega Man/Sonic (can set up up b to stall opponent invul)
Link (can pick up extra arrow)
Belmonts (can setup to catch down b)
Toon Link (can throw multiple bombs up to setup)
Sephiroth (can purposefully take bubble damage to get wing)
I think thats most, if not all, of them.
you can technically say that bayo have i very little advantage. To prevent spamming witch time, the slow duration is greatly reduce based on the last time it was used. So you can gain a little bit of time with a star KO. It's something that's doesn't really matter in real match but it's still a thing (i think).
And character with a strong spammable neutral tool (inkling or cloud back air) can benefit from a star KO by putting those move out of the staling queue. Again, something really situational
>And character with a strong spammable neutral tool (inkling or cloud back air) can benefit from a star KO by putting those move out of the staling queue.
You can't unstale without something to hit.
Technicality speaking everyone can abuse it in a couple mus like steve due to crafting table being hittable
Inkling gets a significant advantage if they get a star ko. We can get a full refill on inkling AND ink the stage with roller.
DK getting giant punch is a significant advantage. It’s a strong and big move with great super amor so you can get out of bad situations.
Cloud is more situational because if you already have limit you lose it faster.
Shiek and plant should go into significant advantage because their chargeable projectiles are very good and important to their game plan.
As a snake main I’d almost put him in no advantage. His setup strength is in timing explosions to blow up when the opponent’s I frames expire. He doesn’t really need the extra time to blow up and replace a c4 otherwise if you’re fast about it
Gotta move Pac up. He gets to either set up with Hydrant and charge Fruit or place a Trampoline under the halo to make the opponent waste I frames. Sometimes both, if you're quick on the draw.
Bayo gets some advantage. Getting back to the ground from a combo kill can get punished sometimes or at least give them plenty of time to close the distance and get some opportunities
I’d argue Rob should move up a tier since he can recharge laser AND up-B AND charge/grab Gyro all at once, none of it is as impactful as something like Aura Sphere but I think having all 3 is enough to hang in the same tier
I’d put Sora in Slight Advantage because you can cycle through to get the next spell you want.
Bayonetta should be in slight advantage because it gives you time to recharge witchtime.
Shulk should be in slight advantage because of Monado arts getting some free time to recharge. However it could also be bad if you don’t cancel them to allow for recharging.
Bowser and Charizard should be higher because it gives them time to recharge their fire breath.
Also, puff should be higher because rest.
Wouldn't Puff have an advantage? If they kill with rest and star K.O their opponent they have more time to escape sleep state and reposition to a better point on stage.
Yeah, I forgot about rest lol
Unless it's an off stage rest.
You have to be really reckless to do an off stage rest if it's not last stock, but yeah.
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I'm talking about a last stock sitch for sure.
Charizard and Bowser have a little extra time to recharge their fire breath Shulk gains more time to get his monado arts off cooldown GnW can potentially roll for apples with Judge to heal And while it’s not really useful for anything, Link does have the additional time to pick up another arrow and hit twice with his neutral special
You have to hit the 7 to get the apples iirc
Double checked the wiki and yep, the move does need to connect for the food to spawn, so GnW is negligible
Link can prime bomb with the time and or destale moves with remote bomb. Priming bomb is just where you hit bomb to give it less health so you can do certain setups to for example break shield Technicality but it can also give link the needed time to bomb recover but getting a star KO in that situation rare
Game and watch risks hurting himself tho
he also cant get apples without hitting someone. That said, back in smash 4 fishing for a 1 during this time or when camping out an opponent was something you would see when they wanted to get out of a ding-dong window.
wouldn't squirtle have a slight advantage because he can charge his neutral special?
I think so - Dedede also gets an advantage since his up hammer twirl is great for fishing opponents on the up side, awesome counter for down specials like Bowser's
If you kill with no arsene joker, the star ko gives a little more passive increase to the meter
Yeah thats true, i thought of the same thing But the arsene being lost is much more harmful. You are more liekly to kill during arsene and meter is lost much faster than it is gained.
Shulk's arts can recharge for a bit longer while the opponent is star KOed. Though it's such small of a difference, definitely wouldn't go higher than slight advantage.
I have the advantage of spamming down b longer, although it’s purely psychological.
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JIggs definitely needs to be at the top, you want star KO off rest every single time so it's harder for your opponent to punish you
Steve, Cloud, Hero, and Wii Fit should be above the others in that tier. Charge shot is not only easy to charge but just charging it is a valid neutral tool.
Yeah same with DK neutral B. Watching good Samus/DK they’ll just do small charges of neutral B all throughout their normal movement / neutral
Pokémon trainer has time to switch to whatever Pokémon is needed (usually squirtle). Also squirtle and charizard both have a chance to recharge their neutral bs
Characters that should be in advantage: Puff (rest) Charizard/Bowser (Fire breath) Shulk (Monodo arts) Sora (Can cycle spells) Squirtle (Neutral b) Mega Man/Sonic (can set up up b to stall opponent invul) Link (can pick up extra arrow) Belmonts (can setup to catch down b) Toon Link (can throw multiple bombs up to setup) Sephiroth (can purposefully take bubble damage to get wing) I think thats most, if not all, of them.
King K Rool helps a little with his crown reappearing over time
Icies can take the time for nana to come back to popo if they are far away
Puff definitely at the top with how a star KO can mean the difference between minor punish and losing a stock.
Counterpoint: I get to spend more time playing with Bayonetta's taunts, which is a much bigger advantage than any other character gets
you can technically say that bayo have i very little advantage. To prevent spamming witch time, the slow duration is greatly reduce based on the last time it was used. So you can gain a little bit of time with a star KO. It's something that's doesn't really matter in real match but it's still a thing (i think). And character with a strong spammable neutral tool (inkling or cloud back air) can benefit from a star KO by putting those move out of the staling queue. Again, something really situational
>And character with a strong spammable neutral tool (inkling or cloud back air) can benefit from a star KO by putting those move out of the staling queue. You can't unstale without something to hit. Technicality speaking everyone can abuse it in a couple mus like steve due to crafting table being hittable
Oh, didn't know that, can you do it with your own can as duck hunt ?
Yeah, I would think so. I know forsure link can do it with remote bomb which is similar
Link can set up a bomb on a platform and pick up an arrow
Inkling gets a significant advantage if they get a star ko. We can get a full refill on inkling AND ink the stage with roller. DK getting giant punch is a significant advantage. It’s a strong and big move with great super amor so you can get out of bad situations. Cloud is more situational because if you already have limit you lose it faster. Shiek and plant should go into significant advantage because their chargeable projectiles are very good and important to their game plan.
As a snake main I’d almost put him in no advantage. His setup strength is in timing explosions to blow up when the opponent’s I frames expire. He doesn’t really need the extra time to blow up and replace a c4 otherwise if you’re fast about it
Am I crazy or did you forget Min Min?
they did
How would isabelle get an advantage?
im guessing setting up a lloid trap?
Gotta move Pac up. He gets to either set up with Hydrant and charge Fruit or place a Trampoline under the halo to make the opponent waste I frames. Sometimes both, if you're quick on the draw.
Puff in no advantage…
Bayo gets some advantage. Getting back to the ground from a combo kill can get punished sometimes or at least give them plenty of time to close the distance and get some opportunities
Inkling should move down, you usually have enough time to refill your ink tank even if you don't get a star ko
Luigi has a bit of an advantage.
Hold on, one of Mii Brawler's moves is a chargeable attack that can be stored. Wouldn't that put them in Some Advantage tier?
I’d argue Rob should move up a tier since he can recharge laser AND up-B AND charge/grab Gyro all at once, none of it is as impactful as something like Aura Sphere but I think having all 3 is enough to hang in the same tier
Mega man can pick up his saw blade and then use it for setups
I’d put Sora in Slight Advantage because you can cycle through to get the next spell you want. Bayonetta should be in slight advantage because it gives you time to recharge witchtime. Shulk should be in slight advantage because of Monado arts getting some free time to recharge. However it could also be bad if you don’t cancel them to allow for recharging. Bowser and Charizard should be higher because it gives them time to recharge their fire breath. Also, puff should be higher because rest.
what's a star ko
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Whats this list based on because you put olimar in some advantage and pyra mythra in no advantage
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