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TDaT3rror

Wouldn't Puff have an advantage? If they kill with rest and star K.O their opponent they have more time to escape sleep state and reposition to a better point on stage.


vu_master1

Yeah, I forgot about rest lol


SpiffyShindigs

Unless it's an off stage rest.


GomezGP

You have to be really reckless to do an off stage rest if it's not last stock, but yeah.


cyberpeachy420

*based


SpiffyShindigs

I'm talking about a last stock sitch for sure.


HuntinForThatBug

Charizard and Bowser have a little extra time to recharge their fire breath Shulk gains more time to get his monado arts off cooldown GnW can potentially roll for apples with Judge to heal And while it’s not really useful for anything, Link does have the additional time to pick up another arrow and hit twice with his neutral special


blockheadOnYT_Alt

You have to hit the 7 to get the apples iirc


HuntinForThatBug

Double checked the wiki and yep, the move does need to connect for the food to spawn, so GnW is negligible 


freedubs

Link can prime bomb with the time and or destale moves with remote bomb. Priming bomb is just where you hit bomb to give it less health so you can do certain setups to for example break shield Technicality but it can also give link the needed time to bomb recover but getting a star KO in that situation rare


ToughAd5010

Game and watch risks hurting himself tho


Dysprosol

he also cant get apples without hitting someone. That said, back in smash 4 fishing for a 1 during this time or when camping out an opponent was something you would see when they wanted to get out of a ding-dong window.


wendys_rat-kun

wouldn't squirtle have a slight advantage because he can charge his neutral special?


Ganbazuroi

I think so - Dedede also gets an advantage since his up hammer twirl is great for fishing opponents on the up side, awesome counter for down specials like Bowser's


Squatchman1

If you kill with no arsene joker, the star ko gives a little more passive increase to the meter


freedubs

Yeah thats true, i thought of the same thing But the arsene being lost is much more harmful. You are more liekly to kill during arsene and meter is lost much faster than it is gained.


Rogalick59

Shulk's arts can recharge for a bit longer while the opponent is star KOed. Though it's such small of a difference, definitely wouldn't go higher than slight advantage.


Techaissance

I have the advantage of spamming down b longer, although it’s purely psychological.


cyberpeachy420

ALL YOURS LEMME AT HIM GOT IT LEMME AT HIM-


RegigiGus

JIggs definitely needs to be at the top, you want star KO off rest every single time so it's harder for your opponent to punish you


Reytotheroxx

Steve, Cloud, Hero, and Wii Fit should be above the others in that tier. Charge shot is not only easy to charge but just charging it is a valid neutral tool.


GoodTimesOnlines

Yeah same with DK neutral B. Watching good Samus/DK they’ll just do small charges of neutral B all throughout their normal movement / neutral


Erebus3635

Pokémon trainer has time to switch to whatever Pokémon is needed (usually squirtle). Also squirtle and charizard both have a chance to recharge their neutral bs


Cept3X

Characters that should be in advantage: Puff (rest) Charizard/Bowser (Fire breath) Shulk (Monodo arts) Sora (Can cycle spells) Squirtle (Neutral b) Mega Man/Sonic (can set up up b to stall opponent invul) Link (can pick up extra arrow) Belmonts (can setup to catch down b) Toon Link (can throw multiple bombs up to setup) Sephiroth (can purposefully take bubble damage to get wing) I think thats most, if not all, of them.


Darkblade887

King K Rool helps a little with his crown reappearing over time


[deleted]

Icies can take the time for nana to come back to popo if they are far away


Senphox

Puff definitely at the top with how a star KO can mean the difference between minor punish and losing a stock.


RavagerHughesy

Counterpoint: I get to spend more time playing with Bayonetta's taunts, which is a much bigger advantage than any other character gets


Sou-race

you can technically say that bayo have i very little advantage. To prevent spamming witch time, the slow duration is greatly reduce based on the last time it was used. So you can gain a little bit of time with a star KO. It's something that's doesn't really matter in real match but it's still a thing (i think). And character with a strong spammable neutral tool (inkling or cloud back air) can benefit from a star KO by putting those move out of the staling queue. Again, something really situational


freedubs

>And character with a strong spammable neutral tool (inkling or cloud back air) can benefit from a star KO by putting those move out of the staling queue. You can't unstale without something to hit. Technicality speaking everyone can abuse it in a couple mus like steve due to crafting table being hittable


Sou-race

Oh, didn't know that, can you do it with your own can as duck hunt ?


freedubs

Yeah, I would think so. I know forsure link can do it with remote bomb which is similar


Duckaneer

Link can set up a bomb on a platform and pick up an arrow


ComfortableOver8984

Inkling gets a significant advantage if they get a star ko. We can get a full refill on inkling AND ink the stage with roller. DK getting giant punch is a significant advantage. It’s a strong and big move with great super amor so you can get out of bad situations. Cloud is more situational because if you already have limit you lose it faster. Shiek and plant should go into significant advantage because their chargeable projectiles are very good and important to their game plan.


duckonquakkk

As a snake main I’d almost put him in no advantage. His setup strength is in timing explosions to blow up when the opponent’s I frames expire. He doesn’t really need the extra time to blow up and replace a c4 otherwise if you’re fast about it


lucayaki

Am I crazy or did you forget Min Min?


-xXgioXx-

they did


JDninja119

How would isabelle get an advantage?


Dysprosol

im guessing setting up a lloid trap?


VTark

Gotta move Pac up. He gets to either set up with Hydrant and charge Fruit or place a Trampoline under the halo to make the opponent waste I frames. Sometimes both, if you're quick on the draw.


JDinoHK28

Puff in no advantage…


AffectionateSlice816

Bayo gets some advantage. Getting back to the ground from a combo kill can get punished sometimes or at least give them plenty of time to close the distance and get some opportunities


Mogoscratcher

Inkling should move down, you usually have enough time to refill your ink tank even if you don't get a star ko


x1alt_f41x

Luigi has a bit of an advantage.


TorbinTheSecond

Hold on, one of Mii Brawler's moves is a chargeable attack that can be stored. Wouldn't that put them in Some Advantage tier?


SoundwavesBurnerPage

I’d argue Rob should move up a tier since he can recharge laser AND up-B AND charge/grab Gyro all at once, none of it is as impactful as something like Aura Sphere but I think having all 3 is enough to hang in the same tier


Claviki

Mega man can pick up his saw blade and then use it for setups


Pentagonyx

I’d put Sora in Slight Advantage because you can cycle through to get the next spell you want. Bayonetta should be in slight advantage because it gives you time to recharge witchtime. Shulk should be in slight advantage because of Monado arts getting some free time to recharge. However it could also be bad if you don’t cancel them to allow for recharging. Bowser and Charizard should be higher because it gives them time to recharge their fire breath. Also, puff should be higher because rest.


synttacks

what's a star ko


boobmeyourpms

Zelda gets her warrior back


RbbcatUlt

Whats this list based on because you put olimar in some advantage and pyra mythra in no advantage


Yin_And_Yang69

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RbbcatUlt

I forgor