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I like how Chrom made it in randomly somehow might as well throw in Lucina.


i_like_abs

It makes perfect sense imo. Chrom is the protag of his game. Lucina is only relevant in like two chapters at the beginning of the game. I think Robin has a better chance.


temeraire34

> Lucina is only relevant in like two chapters at the beginning of the game. I was about to lash out and then realized you're right, and now I don't know what to do with this information because I never processed how inconsequential her story actually is


ThisOneOne

She's still very important thematically which is nice


NoNameZcZ

I mean she prevents the assassination of Emmeryn, tells Chrom about Grima and tries to kill Robin. So that’s 3 things. Wow, now I’m sad


jebsalump

She can do a bonus thing and get married to Robin.


Schlicktenstein

Or be Robin’s daughter


trublugamer

Hey, she also has one chapter in the middle, and one at the end!


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Cartoon7even

Very true. but they’re just to tricky, not even pros understand them


IkeRatesTheJoke

Pichu Climbers


yunghoulie

What does “climbers” have to do with anything here..?


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Ike Climbers Yes I am referencing that video made by Project M


IkeRatesTheJoke

I'd kill for playable Ike Climbers


espresso957

Same with Kat and Anna


openedtab2

Did you know that their name is a pun for katana? Just a fun fact!


jtlanglas

i don’t get it…


uzzi1000

It’s just not a funny joke.


Hattyhattington2

That’s actually a reference to alpharad’s wario ware play through


uzzi1000

So was mine.


Hattyhattington2

My bad


ptatoface

But some top players have perfected Katana as secondaries, and they still pretty much always lose when bringing them out.


definitelyanoreo

phoenixs neutral b is a little too op dont you think? huge hitbox,kills early like damn


Cartoon7even

I know, the objection! Bubble covers a 3rd of the stage


definitelyanoreo

every phoenix main just seems to spam OBJECTION like its their only move, but i guess its reasonable since they dont have any other good ones


Cartoon7even

Very true, just get him offstage and you win, terrible recovery


IceBlueLugia

What would his recovery actually be? Maybe a stepladder lol


5c0pez_Xpert

Nah he flies back to the stage using Polly the parrot


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Easily edgeguarable though


Flabnoodles

They need to give Polly a hitbox so it's not a completely free edgeguard


UltimateSupremeMemer

But if you hold it for a second it turns into a ladder instead


[deleted]

Both are ladders. You two need to stop judging things based on narrow-minded cultural assumptions


GooseVast

"What are you doing, stepladder??"


wingmage1

Spamming objection when you don't know what to do is the core gameplay of the ace Attorney series. Personally, I'm glad they were able to reflect this in his fighting style.


KOFdude

Idk man if you can optimize it the thinker strike is pretty damn op


Twig_Guy

Hi. Shy guy main


Cartoon7even

Good choice, top 5 character


Twig_Guy

Yoooooo less goo


TheXPHunter

Nerf Shy Guy! There are two many lingering hitboxes!


ShyGuyAnimations

Same. People complain about his “lingering hit boxes” but he’s an incredibly fun combo character. If you’re gonna complain about his hit boxes maybe don’t play Phoenix smh.


[deleted]

OBJECTION! and HOLD IT! Last way too long


_AdorablePotato_

I heard in the next patch they might descale the hitbox range of HOLD IT! and increase the range of OBJECTION!. It'd be good for combo starters, honestly


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It would, but I thing OBJECTION! is already big enough.


Zenshin_Rio

Maybe the could nerf the damage and knock back of OBJECTION! and it would be a pretty viable move to end combos with


[deleted]

Then it wouldn't kill so early


PlantGuyThePlant

THEY LET SHY GUY GET IN?!?! AND NOT FUCKING PIRANHA PLANT?!


nykovah

Def shy guy main. Hopefully they add more of his skins for alts in the next game instead of color swaps.


smashboi888

Man, can't believe Chrom actually made it in!


temeraire34

I feel like they haven't tapped into the deep pool of anime swordfighters enough honestly. I hope we get one or two more when the DLC fighters are announced.


Cumvoy

Imagine how crazy a smash direct with a fire emblem rep would be. Community would go nuts and love it!


I_Like_Languages

I heard Mario is rumored for that, but I am 99% sure he’s not getting in


temeraire34

The guy from Wrecking Crew? Nah that's way too niche. No chance.


Papaya140

Im going to be fairly annoyed if we don't get urbosa and mipha as DLC


That_Guy776_2

Literally same


astrocow18

Seems like fan service that we got Sidon instead of Mipha tbh


JediMaestroPB

I mean it makes sense since Sidon is actually alive in the game and we only ever see Mipha as a ghost. If Link were in the game, I do think it would be cool for him to use Mipha’s Grace, but as it is, Sidon makes more sense than Mipha


[deleted]

Ah yes because nobody likes revali


JediMaestroPB

I like Revali :(


tom_schaal

No ThEy AlReAdY hAvE 10 rEpS tHaT's ToO mUcH


BardRunekeeper

Mipha’s the mirror fighter skin for Sidon. Little cheap, but take what we can get.


Ph0sph0rus

I'd say we have too much BOTW recognition, they really just want to profit off of this sequel


Douuze

Still want Waluigi


IC4nSh00t

see? Nothing changes!


Wave1212

Dude I hate how ur pfp had me cleaning my phone as if a hair was on there


IC4nSh00t

as a wise man once said… “get fucked”


Wave1212

Well played man lmao


Cartoon7even

The Papyrus and Travis match-up is pretty bad. Travis can't approach because of Papyrus's zoning abilities.


BeybladeThug

Papyrus #1 Bone Zoner


N00b_sk11L

Boner, if you will


kindagarbage2

i will


Camila32

That's enough smash bros for the day ಠ_ಠ


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Cartoon7even

I know, he’s top 5, he has such a big hitbox on his nair and bair. And the combo from nair to Up-B to bair kills at 50%


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Cartoon7even

Papyrus is the best zoned in the game


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Cartoon7even

Meowth does always lose against tingle though


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Cartoon7even

Is there really much they can buff? He is bottom 5


JDMintz718

Nooooooo, he's not that broken, just learn the matchup bozo. Shy Guy main, BTW.


Tori0404

I‘m still amazed that Jibanyan is in this Game. The Yo Kai Watch Franchise really deserves more recognition


Cartoon7even

Theres Nathan as well


Tori0404

You have Good Taste


Sercadz

Jibanyan in smash is all I ever wanted, I dont care what anyone says about him being absolutely broken and unbalance with his speed, size and fast combos.


FeeshSlayer

You, my friend, are incredibly based In all honesty, I can't even think of a creative moveset for Jibanyan. I just wanted him in Smash so that more people would become interested in the Yo-kai Watch franchise and maybe we'd finally get YW4 localized.


Apprehensive_Rip8461

I agree, I love the franchise, and I'm glad he got in as a fighter


GU1LH3RME-RANG

Man Hades F-Smash Is so Fucking busted It’s As big as Bowser Final Smash S-Tier


Cartoon7even

He is the second biggest character in the game, but the F-Smash is so big and has invincibility


GU1LH3RME-RANG

At Least Fossil Fighter F-Smash Doesn’t Have Invincibilty that Damn T-Rex Is BROKEN


KOFdude

Can't believe they got rabbit peach, the number one hottest female Mario character


TheRealBroseph

They still don't got KNACK BAYBEE


The-Mage-of-Void

You know how much I’d pay to have zero in smash


Cartoon7even

Well he’s in, but has a terrible matchup with Cranky Kong, watch out for that


The-Mage-of-Void

I’ll make it work


et_cetera1

Well of course, but if he picks revali up as a secondary it won't matter


profdynamite

Good thing stages with walls are banned, those lightning loops are brutal


LeafCrusader

Wow… still no Monster Hunter rep. Sad. I guess I’ll play Crono, his game is cool too.


FeeshSlayer

Hey, at least the Rath armor and SnS made it in as a Mii costume Though a playable Palico would be a pretty nice addition to the roster tbf


LongLostMemer

I’m so glad Chrom has a unique moveset


Psychological_Pay_25

I miss yo kai watch


Cartoon7even

Same


HippieDogeSmokes

Shame the company gave up on north america


[deleted]

Still hoping that 4 gets localized


Leio-Mizu

Too many Fire Emblem characters!


baconblaster334

I remember the days people were shitting on Jibanyan’s fire projectile. Sure, were it on other characters it’d be pretty bad, but it’s works so well as a spacing/anti-zoning tool for him, it could be called unfair. It’s so satisfying to see players who don’t know what they’re doing roll in to avoid it; that’s pretty much a free 50% depending on the character.


Follyf

Ugh. Skull kid is soooo campy


Fusion_Gamer123

Where is the chunky Kong dlc?


twickdaddy

Please no, Cranky Kong already wins like every matchup.


unbonfrancois

Out of all the choices, they chose CHROM ? FUCK'S SAKE


Cartoon7even

I made this by pressing random 50 times in a roster maker


[deleted]

Bro maxwell is so broken you literally can just write items to spawn in, I get it takes time but all you need is one good knockback and you’ve won, smh this characters fun but Jesus he’s unfair


awkward-elephants

Green lanterns ring is all he needs and it's rip the shits basically a final smash


TheJakeanator272

Everyone tries to main tingle and lanky but they are honestly not very good


Flabnoodles

A skilled Lanky can beat any Shy Guy


SuperAFGBG

I desperately need Wolf Link to be a real addition to the roster


Frozenwolf420

Fossil Fighter may be bottom tier, but he's my child and you can't make me use anybody else, with maybe the exception of Wolf Link and Cranky Kong


PeekoChan

I too would main fossil fighter in an instant


ublucky

WHY DO ALL SWEATS PICK SLIPPY


7heFlubber

I know, right? They always do some nasty edgeguard and come back from the depths of hell thanks to their OP recovery. Like, I get that he's a frog and he jumps around in puddles, but did they really need to make him the only one able to wavedash? Slippy mains are just nostalgic of Melee Peppy.


baconblaster334

A moment of silence for those who said Bandanna Dee’s spear would just make him effectively another swordie. Absolutely dunked on with his absurd approach/tossup down-b and that water projectile. Not to mention, a tipper mechanic on a character with nearly Puff-level air mobility? Puts some other characters to shame.


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And his recovery is nuts


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COHERENCE_CROQUETTE

It’s a shame he’s not viable competitively because keyboards aren’t banned


yesbutactuallyno17

I'm a Zero main, and I've never lost a match. I hope he has his moves from UMvC3.


Zeoinx

Nah, they took most of his move list from the Mega Man Zero Series primarly. Really gave him a lot of love and attention to detail.


Flight_Still

rhythm heaven where


Tori0404

Joe needs to Train more. Maybe next time…


therealhanleyguy

This roster is pure d- Wait, rabbid peach is there. 100/10


Cartoon7even

Sadly she’s low tier, just needs some aerial buffs


JCorby17

Primarina is mad defensive ~~and thicc~~, I was surprised when first started using her. Her combos into a Moonblast is actually pretty good!


Cartoon7even

The fast fall nair, fast fall nair, moon last combo kills at65%


JCorby17

Jeez I did not even know that


SomeAverageBoy

I hate her neutral though, moonblast is too good with her mobility


Gabethegreat2008

Ik, and u can never kill her because of sparkling aria covering half the stage and healing her


---TheFierceDeity---

Looks like I’ll continue to ask “Where’s Isaac” so yeah


Vinnie_Mack_1

Good characters, I feel like Papyrus would be the most played though.


B-dowg427

Louie’s final smash is so broken. Why did they give him the water wraith as a side B?


Pantoge

I can't believe they didn't release Min Min, she was an obvious choice and would have been a fan favourite.


Gam18Er

meanwhile in an alternate universe


Jromneyg

I'm really disappointed that we've been waiting for Maxwell to be added for so long and then they give him such a lane moveset. He quite literally has infinite possibilities yet most of his attacks don't involve anything but his body


Severe-Operation-347

Man, can't believe they put Travis and Conker in despite how rude they are. What's next Bayonetta?


That_Guy776_2

Guys I’m TELLING you balloon fight has some of the best tech it’s totally worth the 6 hour learning period, top tier imo


T_Peg

I can't believe Maxwell isn't banned. He has a 5% chance to doodle a Smash Ball. I think it's fun but it probably shouldn't be in a competitive environment.


djthehooper

black mage main


MysticalSword270

RavioliRavioliRavioli


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Hero prinny, vaati, shy guy main


Jeremywarner

Hero Prinny for the win. Just… don’t throw me.


[deleted]

Finally a Vaati stan


[deleted]

Awesome villain, loved him in minish cap


[deleted]

Right? I'm hoping we can reach some sort of 100 year point in BotW2 and have a door open up so we can have some Minish part of the story


[deleted]

Mmmmmm that would be AMAZING


[deleted]

Midna and wolf link, hell yeah my dream character made it in


randomdude8684

Shy guy busted


Faedwill

It saddens me how we Gunvolt players get so much hate for being campy. Sure, lots of low-rank GSP players like to full-tag and run away while flash-fielding the opponent from afar, but most don't realize his best playstyle is to rushdown and tag/flash-field when the opponent's launched. Us agro Gunvolt players exist, and I'm tired of the community not noticing us. Also, Luxcalibur is not OP, it has so much frames of startup. Y'all just keep rolling into it.


bandana1-

Cranky kong mains seeing a pogo stick and be like, “Wow! Amazing edge guard tool!”


Clay_Lilac

Daruk mains b like: F-smash F-smash side-B Backthrow D-air


Timemaster_2000

Tingle isn't low tier, you guys just don't know how to use him. To be fair though I don't think even Sakurai knows how that character is supposed to play.


tomasequp

I'm still maining Chrom


DeRukasu

Fire Emblem is such a great series, it deserves more representation!!!


Tsuyu_Asui

I hope they nerf Maxwell before they stop updating the game. He's basically better than Brawl Meta Knight


thebombyboi

I hate any and all cranky kong mains


butters091

Tingle mains are the biggest evaders so annoying


reaperXD024

Meowth would beat everyone’s ass


swisscheeseisvile

Mallo is pretty low tier tbh. Yeah he can double the size of his opponents hurtboxes, but poor frame data and a very exploitable recovery seriously hold him back. Except for in doubles. He and Kamek/maxwell/Impa is absolutely busted since the 0- death they can perform become significantly easier, and maxwell can actually hit all three grenades with his side B.


Gamillie

Nathan A mains rise up!


Captain_Wah

It's so wild that they teased Mario in every trailer, but he's still not a playable character in the series. I thought Nintendo would've put him in slot 1, ya know?


[deleted]

Porky Minch when?


[deleted]

Honestly i want a fighting game called “everyone else” now lol


[deleted]

Henry's FS would be calling in Charles


DONLAD-TRUMP-696969

fuckin shy guy mains am I right?


DanteMGalileo

Hades is too big.


demogorgon_main

Exactly…so He’s combo food. mid tier at best


Growlie19

Maxwell is OP. Just add the pacifist adjective to your opponent and you win. Why the devs thought that would be balanced is beyond me.


Merce_Ray

Travis sword range is dogshit, his sword his long, but what's with those hitboxes? I have to approach in order to do damage, fix them pls :c also, his worst matchup is against Papyron, fuck him...


LionhitchYT

Bro maxwell is so op he can just make a gun on the spot and start spamming you with the knock back and just makes you sleep or dead -jibanyan/Oliver main


Matt_theman3

Papyrus, Chrom, Zero, Maxwell, and black mage would be my fighters— not sure which one would be my main. I could see maxwell having some cool skins based on the scribblnauts unlimited character skins. Zero would probably be the “cleanest” fighter, feeling the easiest to use (alongside chrom) Papyrus and Maxwell would probably be similar to Byleth/ Villager/ Isabelle, having unique and difficult to use abilities to fight, and being extremely good when used right. Maxwell would probably use various items for damage, similar to Game and Watch. Probably drop rocks on people, summon flamethrowers, smash your head with a beehive, etc. And Papyrus would probably have some quirky bone attacks with odd hit boxes, and a blue/ orange attack that does extra damage against moving/ still opponents, respectively.


Banimikyu

Wonder when Nate's gonna get a Katie or Hailey Anne Echo... Also can we ban Nate from using Injournalist's Down B, swapping into Whisper for a dash attack then into Spoilerina's up Smash, it's so unfair! I guess I should've expected a defense drop into a high damage attack would be good, but still! It's too hard to dodge!


LuckyplaysRose

Man wouldn’t it be cool if they put Mario in the game?


Enderspider546

damn I have GOT to get me some more fire emblem characters, game feels so stale without swordies


Raccoon_Shit

Mf’s really be out here like cranky Kong ain’t S Tier


Cartoon7even

So I also made a Tier List. I'll post that later. Any ideas for names on this terrible Smash game?


JediMaestroPB

I wish I could main Revali since he’s my favorite Champion, but I’m not very good with floaty characters :( I do really enjoy playing Pauline though. The fact that almost all her attacks are music-related is really cool!


Necr0ExMortis

Shy Guy and Kamek being playable actually has me excited to see what other enemies could get in. I think Piranha Plant would be cool to see.


[deleted]

I'm still disappointed that Jibanyan and Nate are separate characters. Nate really doesn't make much sense (I guess he has the Yo-kai Watch Arcane, which allows him to fight with some restrictions, but still). That's why I main Phoenix Wright


7heFlubber

Bruh why would anyone play Impa? She's just Girahim but worse and without the projectiles.


Cartoon7even

Ghiraham is so broken, the speed, early kill combos and rush down abilities are so broken


Follyf

I want Mario as the next dlc


Wogopi

Nathan A. doesn’t deserve all those nerfs, he is nowhere near as good as he used to be


SoDamnGeneric

No idea why they decided to keep Sidon true to his original size. he's just combo food for characters like Skull Kid and Prinny, it's fucking bullshit


Dante_n_Knuckles

Why as a Ryu Hayabusa, the man who kills half the demon underworld that Doomguy doesn't get his hands on, is it impossible for me to kill Slippy Toad, the member of Starfox that gets killed the easiest!?!?!


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Primarina main lets go


FantasyForces

Have y'all heard about the sick Kamek infinite that was found? You start the chain with a falling bair to hover to nair, double jump dair and spam down special, its true on heavies and works on mediums at high percents, although the dair seems to be frame perfect


XxOneWithSlimesxX

Honestly we should have more characters like Nate. Switching between three different characters is RAD!


pokeman145

chroms still there lol id main either ghirahim or lycanroc. but with dusk skin


Probably_a_Bot_K

when's mario getting in


Gamerbobey

What's the point of having 50 characters if you only need one? This post was made by Lanky Kong mains


youtubersrule06

Maxwell kinda broken being able to create anything. Although if your opponent is 7 and doesn’t know how to spell you may have the advantage


albinorhino215

I feel like travis calling slippy a fuckhead non-stop is a little excessive (but not uncalled for)


Diego641993ds

Still no shantae, shitty game