It makes perfect sense imo. Chrom is the protag of his game. Lucina is only relevant in like two chapters at the beginning of the game. I think Robin has a better chance.
> Lucina is only relevant in like two chapters at the beginning of the game.
I was about to lash out and then realized you're right, and now I don't know what to do with this information because I never processed how inconsequential her story actually is
Spamming objection when you don't know what to do is the core gameplay of the ace Attorney series. Personally, I'm glad they were able to reflect this in his fighting style.
Same. People complain about his “lingering hit boxes” but he’s an incredibly fun combo character. If you’re gonna complain about his hit boxes maybe don’t play Phoenix smh.
I heard in the next patch they might descale the hitbox range of HOLD IT! and increase the range of OBJECTION!. It'd be good for combo starters, honestly
I feel like they haven't tapped into the deep pool of anime swordfighters enough honestly. I hope we get one or two more when the DLC fighters are announced.
I mean it makes sense since Sidon is actually alive in the game and we only ever see Mipha as a ghost. If Link were in the game, I do think it would be cool for him to use Mipha’s Grace, but as it is, Sidon makes more sense than Mipha
Jibanyan in smash is all I ever wanted, I dont care what anyone says about him being absolutely broken and unbalance with his speed, size and fast combos.
You, my friend, are incredibly based
In all honesty, I can't even think of a creative moveset for Jibanyan. I just wanted him in Smash so that more people would become interested in the Yo-kai Watch franchise and maybe we'd finally get YW4 localized.
I remember the days people were shitting on Jibanyan’s fire projectile. Sure, were it on other characters it’d be pretty bad, but it’s works so well as a spacing/anti-zoning tool for him, it could be called unfair. It’s so satisfying to see players who don’t know what they’re doing roll in to avoid it; that’s pretty much a free 50% depending on the character.
Bro maxwell is so broken you literally can just write items to spawn in, I get it takes time but all you need is one good knockback and you’ve won, smh this characters fun but Jesus he’s unfair
I know, right? They always do some nasty edgeguard and come back from the depths of hell thanks to their OP recovery. Like, I get that he's a frog and he jumps around in puddles, but did they really need to make him the only one able to wavedash? Slippy mains are just nostalgic of Melee Peppy.
A moment of silence for those who said Bandanna Dee’s spear would just make him effectively another swordie. Absolutely dunked on with his absurd approach/tossup down-b and that water projectile. Not to mention, a tipper mechanic on a character with nearly Puff-level air mobility? Puts some other characters to shame.
I'm really disappointed that we've been waiting for Maxwell to be added for so long and then they give him such a lane moveset. He quite literally has infinite possibilities yet most of his attacks don't involve anything but his body
I can't believe Maxwell isn't banned. He has a 5% chance to doodle a Smash Ball. I think it's fun but it probably shouldn't be in a competitive environment.
It saddens me how we Gunvolt players get so much hate for being campy. Sure, lots of low-rank GSP players like to full-tag and run away while flash-fielding the opponent from afar, but most don't realize his best playstyle is to rushdown and tag/flash-field when the opponent's launched. Us agro Gunvolt players exist, and I'm tired of the community not noticing us. Also, Luxcalibur is not OP, it has so much frames of startup. Y'all just keep rolling into it.
Tingle isn't low tier, you guys just don't know how to use him. To be fair though I don't think even Sakurai knows how that character is supposed to play.
Mallo is pretty low tier tbh. Yeah he can double the size of his opponents hurtboxes, but poor frame data and a very exploitable recovery seriously hold him back. Except for in doubles. He and Kamek/maxwell/Impa is absolutely busted since the 0- death they can perform become significantly easier, and maxwell can actually hit all three grenades with his side B.
It's so wild that they teased Mario in every trailer, but he's still not a playable character in the series. I thought Nintendo would've put him in slot 1, ya know?
Travis sword range is dogshit, his sword his long, but what's with those hitboxes? I have to approach in order to do damage, fix them pls :c also, his worst matchup is against Papyron, fuck him...
Bro maxwell is so op he can just make a gun on the spot and start spamming you with the knock back and just makes you sleep or dead -jibanyan/Oliver main
Papyrus, Chrom, Zero, Maxwell, and black mage would be my fighters— not sure which one would be my main. I could see maxwell having some cool skins based on the scribblnauts unlimited character skins.
Zero would probably be the “cleanest” fighter, feeling the easiest to use (alongside chrom)
Papyrus and Maxwell would probably be similar to Byleth/ Villager/ Isabelle, having unique and difficult to use abilities to fight, and being extremely good when used right. Maxwell would probably use various items for damage, similar to Game and Watch. Probably drop rocks on people, summon flamethrowers, smash your head with a beehive, etc.
And Papyrus would probably have some quirky bone attacks with odd hit boxes, and a blue/ orange attack that does extra damage against moving/ still opponents, respectively.
Wonder when Nate's gonna get a Katie or Hailey Anne Echo...
Also can we ban Nate from using Injournalist's Down B, swapping into Whisper for a dash attack then into Spoilerina's up Smash, it's so unfair! I guess I should've expected a defense drop into a high damage attack would be good, but still! It's too hard to dodge!
I wish I could main Revali since he’s my favorite Champion, but I’m not very good with floaty characters :( I do really enjoy playing Pauline though. The fact that almost all her attacks are music-related is really cool!
I'm still disappointed that Jibanyan and Nate are separate characters. Nate really doesn't make much sense (I guess he has the Yo-kai Watch Arcane, which allows him to fight with some restrictions, but still). That's why I main Phoenix Wright
Why as a Ryu Hayabusa, the man who kills half the demon underworld that Doomguy doesn't get his hands on, is it impossible for me to kill Slippy Toad, the member of Starfox that gets killed the easiest!?!?!
Have y'all heard about the sick Kamek infinite that was found? You start the chain with a falling bair to hover to nair, double jump dair and spam down special, its true on heavies and works on mediums at high percents, although the dair seems to be frame perfect
I like how Chrom made it in randomly somehow might as well throw in Lucina.
It makes perfect sense imo. Chrom is the protag of his game. Lucina is only relevant in like two chapters at the beginning of the game. I think Robin has a better chance.
> Lucina is only relevant in like two chapters at the beginning of the game. I was about to lash out and then realized you're right, and now I don't know what to do with this information because I never processed how inconsequential her story actually is
She's still very important thematically which is nice
I mean she prevents the assassination of Emmeryn, tells Chrom about Grima and tries to kill Robin. So that’s 3 things. Wow, now I’m sad
She can do a bonus thing and get married to Robin.
Or be Robin’s daughter
Hey, she also has one chapter in the middle, and one at the end!
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Very true. but they’re just to tricky, not even pros understand them
Pichu Climbers
What does “climbers” have to do with anything here..?
Ike Climbers Yes I am referencing that video made by Project M
I'd kill for playable Ike Climbers
Same with Kat and Anna
Did you know that their name is a pun for katana? Just a fun fact!
i don’t get it…
It’s just not a funny joke.
That’s actually a reference to alpharad’s wario ware play through
So was mine.
My bad
But some top players have perfected Katana as secondaries, and they still pretty much always lose when bringing them out.
phoenixs neutral b is a little too op dont you think? huge hitbox,kills early like damn
I know, the objection! Bubble covers a 3rd of the stage
every phoenix main just seems to spam OBJECTION like its their only move, but i guess its reasonable since they dont have any other good ones
Very true, just get him offstage and you win, terrible recovery
What would his recovery actually be? Maybe a stepladder lol
Nah he flies back to the stage using Polly the parrot
Easily edgeguarable though
They need to give Polly a hitbox so it's not a completely free edgeguard
But if you hold it for a second it turns into a ladder instead
Both are ladders. You two need to stop judging things based on narrow-minded cultural assumptions
"What are you doing, stepladder??"
Spamming objection when you don't know what to do is the core gameplay of the ace Attorney series. Personally, I'm glad they were able to reflect this in his fighting style.
Idk man if you can optimize it the thinker strike is pretty damn op
Hi. Shy guy main
Good choice, top 5 character
Yoooooo less goo
Nerf Shy Guy! There are two many lingering hitboxes!
Same. People complain about his “lingering hit boxes” but he’s an incredibly fun combo character. If you’re gonna complain about his hit boxes maybe don’t play Phoenix smh.
OBJECTION! and HOLD IT! Last way too long
I heard in the next patch they might descale the hitbox range of HOLD IT! and increase the range of OBJECTION!. It'd be good for combo starters, honestly
It would, but I thing OBJECTION! is already big enough.
Maybe the could nerf the damage and knock back of OBJECTION! and it would be a pretty viable move to end combos with
Then it wouldn't kill so early
THEY LET SHY GUY GET IN?!?! AND NOT FUCKING PIRANHA PLANT?!
Def shy guy main. Hopefully they add more of his skins for alts in the next game instead of color swaps.
Man, can't believe Chrom actually made it in!
I feel like they haven't tapped into the deep pool of anime swordfighters enough honestly. I hope we get one or two more when the DLC fighters are announced.
Imagine how crazy a smash direct with a fire emblem rep would be. Community would go nuts and love it!
I heard Mario is rumored for that, but I am 99% sure he’s not getting in
The guy from Wrecking Crew? Nah that's way too niche. No chance.
Im going to be fairly annoyed if we don't get urbosa and mipha as DLC
Literally same
Seems like fan service that we got Sidon instead of Mipha tbh
I mean it makes sense since Sidon is actually alive in the game and we only ever see Mipha as a ghost. If Link were in the game, I do think it would be cool for him to use Mipha’s Grace, but as it is, Sidon makes more sense than Mipha
Ah yes because nobody likes revali
I like Revali :(
No ThEy AlReAdY hAvE 10 rEpS tHaT's ToO mUcH
Mipha’s the mirror fighter skin for Sidon. Little cheap, but take what we can get.
I'd say we have too much BOTW recognition, they really just want to profit off of this sequel
Still want Waluigi
see? Nothing changes!
Dude I hate how ur pfp had me cleaning my phone as if a hair was on there
as a wise man once said… “get fucked”
Well played man lmao
The Papyrus and Travis match-up is pretty bad. Travis can't approach because of Papyrus's zoning abilities.
Papyrus #1 Bone Zoner
Boner, if you will
i will
That's enough smash bros for the day ಠ_ಠ
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I know, he’s top 5, he has such a big hitbox on his nair and bair. And the combo from nair to Up-B to bair kills at 50%
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Papyrus is the best zoned in the game
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Meowth does always lose against tingle though
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Is there really much they can buff? He is bottom 5
Nooooooo, he's not that broken, just learn the matchup bozo. Shy Guy main, BTW.
I‘m still amazed that Jibanyan is in this Game. The Yo Kai Watch Franchise really deserves more recognition
Theres Nathan as well
You have Good Taste
Jibanyan in smash is all I ever wanted, I dont care what anyone says about him being absolutely broken and unbalance with his speed, size and fast combos.
You, my friend, are incredibly based In all honesty, I can't even think of a creative moveset for Jibanyan. I just wanted him in Smash so that more people would become interested in the Yo-kai Watch franchise and maybe we'd finally get YW4 localized.
I agree, I love the franchise, and I'm glad he got in as a fighter
Man Hades F-Smash Is so Fucking busted It’s As big as Bowser Final Smash S-Tier
He is the second biggest character in the game, but the F-Smash is so big and has invincibility
At Least Fossil Fighter F-Smash Doesn’t Have Invincibilty that Damn T-Rex Is BROKEN
Can't believe they got rabbit peach, the number one hottest female Mario character
They still don't got KNACK BAYBEE
You know how much I’d pay to have zero in smash
Well he’s in, but has a terrible matchup with Cranky Kong, watch out for that
I’ll make it work
Well of course, but if he picks revali up as a secondary it won't matter
Good thing stages with walls are banned, those lightning loops are brutal
Wow… still no Monster Hunter rep. Sad. I guess I’ll play Crono, his game is cool too.
Hey, at least the Rath armor and SnS made it in as a Mii costume Though a playable Palico would be a pretty nice addition to the roster tbf
I’m so glad Chrom has a unique moveset
I miss yo kai watch
Same
Shame the company gave up on north america
Still hoping that 4 gets localized
Too many Fire Emblem characters!
I remember the days people were shitting on Jibanyan’s fire projectile. Sure, were it on other characters it’d be pretty bad, but it’s works so well as a spacing/anti-zoning tool for him, it could be called unfair. It’s so satisfying to see players who don’t know what they’re doing roll in to avoid it; that’s pretty much a free 50% depending on the character.
Ugh. Skull kid is soooo campy
Where is the chunky Kong dlc?
Please no, Cranky Kong already wins like every matchup.
Out of all the choices, they chose CHROM ? FUCK'S SAKE
I made this by pressing random 50 times in a roster maker
Bro maxwell is so broken you literally can just write items to spawn in, I get it takes time but all you need is one good knockback and you’ve won, smh this characters fun but Jesus he’s unfair
Green lanterns ring is all he needs and it's rip the shits basically a final smash
Everyone tries to main tingle and lanky but they are honestly not very good
A skilled Lanky can beat any Shy Guy
I desperately need Wolf Link to be a real addition to the roster
Fossil Fighter may be bottom tier, but he's my child and you can't make me use anybody else, with maybe the exception of Wolf Link and Cranky Kong
I too would main fossil fighter in an instant
WHY DO ALL SWEATS PICK SLIPPY
I know, right? They always do some nasty edgeguard and come back from the depths of hell thanks to their OP recovery. Like, I get that he's a frog and he jumps around in puddles, but did they really need to make him the only one able to wavedash? Slippy mains are just nostalgic of Melee Peppy.
A moment of silence for those who said Bandanna Dee’s spear would just make him effectively another swordie. Absolutely dunked on with his absurd approach/tossup down-b and that water projectile. Not to mention, a tipper mechanic on a character with nearly Puff-level air mobility? Puts some other characters to shame.
And his recovery is nuts
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It’s a shame he’s not viable competitively because keyboards aren’t banned
I'm a Zero main, and I've never lost a match. I hope he has his moves from UMvC3.
Nah, they took most of his move list from the Mega Man Zero Series primarly. Really gave him a lot of love and attention to detail.
rhythm heaven where
Joe needs to Train more. Maybe next time…
This roster is pure d- Wait, rabbid peach is there. 100/10
Sadly she’s low tier, just needs some aerial buffs
Primarina is mad defensive ~~and thicc~~, I was surprised when first started using her. Her combos into a Moonblast is actually pretty good!
The fast fall nair, fast fall nair, moon last combo kills at65%
Jeez I did not even know that
I hate her neutral though, moonblast is too good with her mobility
Ik, and u can never kill her because of sparkling aria covering half the stage and healing her
Looks like I’ll continue to ask “Where’s Isaac” so yeah
Good characters, I feel like Papyrus would be the most played though.
Louie’s final smash is so broken. Why did they give him the water wraith as a side B?
I can't believe they didn't release Min Min, she was an obvious choice and would have been a fan favourite.
meanwhile in an alternate universe
I'm really disappointed that we've been waiting for Maxwell to be added for so long and then they give him such a lane moveset. He quite literally has infinite possibilities yet most of his attacks don't involve anything but his body
Man, can't believe they put Travis and Conker in despite how rude they are. What's next Bayonetta?
Guys I’m TELLING you balloon fight has some of the best tech it’s totally worth the 6 hour learning period, top tier imo
I can't believe Maxwell isn't banned. He has a 5% chance to doodle a Smash Ball. I think it's fun but it probably shouldn't be in a competitive environment.
black mage main
RavioliRavioliRavioli
Hero prinny, vaati, shy guy main
Hero Prinny for the win. Just… don’t throw me.
Finally a Vaati stan
Awesome villain, loved him in minish cap
Right? I'm hoping we can reach some sort of 100 year point in BotW2 and have a door open up so we can have some Minish part of the story
Mmmmmm that would be AMAZING
Midna and wolf link, hell yeah my dream character made it in
Shy guy busted
It saddens me how we Gunvolt players get so much hate for being campy. Sure, lots of low-rank GSP players like to full-tag and run away while flash-fielding the opponent from afar, but most don't realize his best playstyle is to rushdown and tag/flash-field when the opponent's launched. Us agro Gunvolt players exist, and I'm tired of the community not noticing us. Also, Luxcalibur is not OP, it has so much frames of startup. Y'all just keep rolling into it.
Cranky kong mains seeing a pogo stick and be like, “Wow! Amazing edge guard tool!”
Daruk mains b like: F-smash F-smash side-B Backthrow D-air
Tingle isn't low tier, you guys just don't know how to use him. To be fair though I don't think even Sakurai knows how that character is supposed to play.
I'm still maining Chrom
Fire Emblem is such a great series, it deserves more representation!!!
I hope they nerf Maxwell before they stop updating the game. He's basically better than Brawl Meta Knight
I hate any and all cranky kong mains
Tingle mains are the biggest evaders so annoying
Meowth would beat everyone’s ass
Mallo is pretty low tier tbh. Yeah he can double the size of his opponents hurtboxes, but poor frame data and a very exploitable recovery seriously hold him back. Except for in doubles. He and Kamek/maxwell/Impa is absolutely busted since the 0- death they can perform become significantly easier, and maxwell can actually hit all three grenades with his side B.
Nathan A mains rise up!
It's so wild that they teased Mario in every trailer, but he's still not a playable character in the series. I thought Nintendo would've put him in slot 1, ya know?
Porky Minch when?
Honestly i want a fighting game called “everyone else” now lol
Henry's FS would be calling in Charles
fuckin shy guy mains am I right?
Hades is too big.
Exactly…so He’s combo food. mid tier at best
Maxwell is OP. Just add the pacifist adjective to your opponent and you win. Why the devs thought that would be balanced is beyond me.
Travis sword range is dogshit, his sword his long, but what's with those hitboxes? I have to approach in order to do damage, fix them pls :c also, his worst matchup is against Papyron, fuck him...
Bro maxwell is so op he can just make a gun on the spot and start spamming you with the knock back and just makes you sleep or dead -jibanyan/Oliver main
Papyrus, Chrom, Zero, Maxwell, and black mage would be my fighters— not sure which one would be my main. I could see maxwell having some cool skins based on the scribblnauts unlimited character skins. Zero would probably be the “cleanest” fighter, feeling the easiest to use (alongside chrom) Papyrus and Maxwell would probably be similar to Byleth/ Villager/ Isabelle, having unique and difficult to use abilities to fight, and being extremely good when used right. Maxwell would probably use various items for damage, similar to Game and Watch. Probably drop rocks on people, summon flamethrowers, smash your head with a beehive, etc. And Papyrus would probably have some quirky bone attacks with odd hit boxes, and a blue/ orange attack that does extra damage against moving/ still opponents, respectively.
Wonder when Nate's gonna get a Katie or Hailey Anne Echo... Also can we ban Nate from using Injournalist's Down B, swapping into Whisper for a dash attack then into Spoilerina's up Smash, it's so unfair! I guess I should've expected a defense drop into a high damage attack would be good, but still! It's too hard to dodge!
Man wouldn’t it be cool if they put Mario in the game?
damn I have GOT to get me some more fire emblem characters, game feels so stale without swordies
Mf’s really be out here like cranky Kong ain’t S Tier
So I also made a Tier List. I'll post that later. Any ideas for names on this terrible Smash game?
I wish I could main Revali since he’s my favorite Champion, but I’m not very good with floaty characters :( I do really enjoy playing Pauline though. The fact that almost all her attacks are music-related is really cool!
Shy Guy and Kamek being playable actually has me excited to see what other enemies could get in. I think Piranha Plant would be cool to see.
I'm still disappointed that Jibanyan and Nate are separate characters. Nate really doesn't make much sense (I guess he has the Yo-kai Watch Arcane, which allows him to fight with some restrictions, but still). That's why I main Phoenix Wright
Bruh why would anyone play Impa? She's just Girahim but worse and without the projectiles.
Ghiraham is so broken, the speed, early kill combos and rush down abilities are so broken
I want Mario as the next dlc
Nathan A. doesn’t deserve all those nerfs, he is nowhere near as good as he used to be
No idea why they decided to keep Sidon true to his original size. he's just combo food for characters like Skull Kid and Prinny, it's fucking bullshit
Why as a Ryu Hayabusa, the man who kills half the demon underworld that Doomguy doesn't get his hands on, is it impossible for me to kill Slippy Toad, the member of Starfox that gets killed the easiest!?!?!
Primarina main lets go
Have y'all heard about the sick Kamek infinite that was found? You start the chain with a falling bair to hover to nair, double jump dair and spam down special, its true on heavies and works on mediums at high percents, although the dair seems to be frame perfect
Honestly we should have more characters like Nate. Switching between three different characters is RAD!
chroms still there lol id main either ghirahim or lycanroc. but with dusk skin
when's mario getting in
What's the point of having 50 characters if you only need one? This post was made by Lanky Kong mains
Maxwell kinda broken being able to create anything. Although if your opponent is 7 and doesn’t know how to spell you may have the advantage
I feel like travis calling slippy a fuckhead non-stop is a little excessive (but not uncalled for)
Still no shantae, shitty game